ingr. lists, dipping, etc. :)

[Guest guest]

I usually type up an ingredient list before leaving home, something

I'd recommend for others. You can always save your computer file if

you'll be making the dish again.

 

A note for potluck hosts: Please provide paper and pens for those

people who do not bring lists with them and remind attendees to

provide them. Many people at raw potlucks have strict diets and avoid

certain " foods " such as salt, vinegar, nama shoyu, un-soaked nuts,

" raw " nut-butters/tahini, etc.

 

Double-dipping. Definitely nasty to some people. For some reason some

people do not enjoy dipping other people's saliva! (I don't get it!).

RAWtiquet dictates take a scoop of the dip (using the serving spoon)

and plop it on your plate, then dip from the dip on your plate. Over

the years I have been known to use one method of double-dipping: I

would turn the veggie stick around to use the clean (and untouched)

end for the second dip (If you don't watch carefully, this can fool

you!). (I prefer the plate method.)

 

While many of us do not fear " germs " it's still preferred to eat

foods not coated with sneeze spray (sneeze whiz?), so your help is

appreciated! (must say, I've not noticed any sneezing into foods, but

I have seen near whip-lash when people try to sneeze away from food.

I hate those sudden, no-warning sneezes! Ever seen those people grab

their nose and hold it in??? That's fun to watch, specially on the

rare occasion the head pops!)

 

Jeff

 

 

 

 

>I agree with you that this isn't really a big issue. For those

>wanting ingredients labeled, that shouldn't be hard to do. I'll make

>sure I list the contents of my creations.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeff,

 

I love your animated descriptions on how to double dip effectively and the

sneezing imagery =). You are hilarious and crack me up Jeff. Thanks for

bringing some light on the matter.

 

-Sharyn

 

RawSeattle writes:

>I usually type up an ingredient list before leaving home, something

>I'd recommend for others. You can always save your computer file if

>you'll be making the dish again.

>

>A note for potluck hosts: Please provide paper and pens for those

>people who do not bring lists with them and remind attendees to

>provide them. Many people at raw potlucks have strict diets and avoid

>certain " foods " such as salt, vinegar, nama shoyu, un-soaked nuts,

> " raw " nut-butters/tahini, etc.

>

>Double-dipping. Definitely nasty to some people. For some reason some

>people do not enjoy dipping other people's saliva! (I don't get it!).

>RAWtiquet dictates take a scoop of the dip (using the serving spoon)

>and plop it on your plate, then dip from the dip on your plate. Over

>the years I have been known to use one method of double-dipping: I

>would turn the veggie stick around to use the clean (and untouched)

>end for the second dip (If you don't watch carefully, this can fool

>you!). (I prefer the plate method.)

>

>While many of us do not fear " germs " it's still preferred to eat

>foods not coated with sneeze spray (sneeze whiz?), so your help is

>appreciated! (must say, I've not noticed any sneezing into foods, but

>I have seen near whip-lash when people try to sneeze away from food.

>I hate those sudden, no-warning sneezes! Ever seen those people grab

>their nose and hold it in??? That's fun to watch, specially on the

>rare occasion the head pops!)

>

>Jeff

>

>

>

>

>>I agree with you that this isn't really a big issue. For those

>>wanting ingredients labeled, that shouldn't be hard to do. I'll make

>>sure I list the contents of my creations.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Jeff -

 

Whether or not we individually to the " germ theory " , the majority

of the public does, and an ounce of perception can either enhance our image

in the minds of the public, or damage it. We are trying to reach out to

those who have not tried the raw diet, and if we come across as too extreme,

too " far out in left field " , or unsanitary, our efforts will be for nothing.

 

When any of us opens our home to others for a potluck, it is imperative that

we maintain an expected level of safety and sanitation, for the image, and

also to protect ourselves. If we have somebody attend a potluck in our

home, and they think they may have been exposed to some " bug " because they

saw a person " double-dip " with their personal eating utensil, or saw a

person using their hands to dip into a common serving dish, that can be a

problem, especially if they become ill a few days later. They will suspect

that they ate something that was tainted, even if they actually picked it up

somewhere else. Likely they would not come back, and, in a worst-case

scenario, if they became seriously ill, that person (and his/her attorney)

would have a " field day " at our expense.

 

I am somewhat familiar with the legal requirements for food handling when we

open our events to the public. If we just invite each other to our homes,

that's one thing. But when we post the event on a somewhat public website

with the perception that anybody is welcome to attend, then we must adhere

to a higher standard of safety and sanitation, to protect ourselves

liability-wise. I have a food handlers card, and that can apply to our

events while I am present. (I think I need to renew it this year.)

However, then the standard sanitation rules must be followed, although most

will not apply because we don't use the usual meat/dairy products and

nothing is cooked, so the " keep hot foods hot " doesn't apply. But certainly

cross-contamination via common utensils must be avoided, and hand-washing

must be practiced.

 

Re. children at potlucks: I think kids are great, but some peoples' homes

do not accommodate children well, and a potential host/hostess needs to feel

free to exclude children if he/she feels uncomfortable with kids in the

home. Definitely the children need to be supervised by a parent or

cooperative arrangement, and the rules of the home need to be respected. It

would be good if the home has a family room or game room or (weather

permitting) fenced yard where the children may play to avoid the boredom

that often occurs when they are caught in the midst of adult conversation.

 

By the way, the farmers markets open this month (mostly)! YAY!!! The U.

District one opens on the 24th, and Lake City opens the 29th. Most of them

seem to be opening earlier than last year.

 

See everybody Saturday -

 

Sue

 

 

Jeff Rogers [jeff]

Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:45 PM

RawSeattle

[RawSeattle] Re: ingr. lists, dipping, etc.

 

I usually type up an ingredient list before leaving home, something

I'd recommend for others. You can always save your computer file if

you'll be making the dish again.

 

A note for potluck hosts: Please provide paper and pens for those

people who do not bring lists with them and remind attendees to

provide them. Many people at raw potlucks have strict diets and avoid

certain " foods " such as salt, vinegar, nama shoyu, un-soaked nuts,

" raw " nut-butters/tahini, etc.

 

Double-dipping. Definitely nasty to some people. For some reason some

people do not enjoy dipping other people's saliva! (I don't get it!).

RAWtiquet dictates take a scoop of the dip (using the serving spoon)

and plop it on your plate, then dip from the dip on your plate. Over

the years I have been known to use one method of double-dipping: I

would turn the veggie stick around to use the clean (and untouched)

end for the second dip (If you don't watch carefully, this can fool

you!). (I prefer the plate method.)

 

While many of us do not fear " germs " it's still preferred to eat

foods not coated with sneeze spray (sneeze whiz?), so your help is

appreciated! (must say, I've not noticed any sneezing into foods, but

I have seen near whip-lash when people try to sneeze away from food.

I hate those sudden, no-warning sneezes! Ever seen those people grab

their nose and hold it in??? That's fun to watch, specially on the

rare occasion the head pops!)

 

Jeff

 

 

 

 

>I agree with you that this isn't really a big issue. For those

>wanting ingredients labeled, that shouldn't be hard to do. I'll make

>sure I list the contents of my creations.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sue, that's a clear overview of the issues and I appreciate

it. How does everyone feel about having potlucks be open to children

of all ages by default, and if the person holding the potluck would

like to restrict it to only a certain age or older, then that is

noted in the potluck description? Is there anyone who wouldn't want

to host a potluck because they might think that others would think

less of them for restricting the potluck? I hope not. I hope that

people will always feel well loved for being willing to host, and

will feel that whatever restrictions are necessary are completely

accepted by all of us.

peace,

Orion

[Guest guest]

The concept sounds good to me, but then, I don't have any kids, so it

really makes no difference for me! The parents with kids are the

ones who need to give you the feedback.

 

Ron Koenig

Bellevue

 

RawSeattle , " Orion (Stephen) " <qrhythm@h...>

wrote:

> Thanks Sue, that's a clear overview of the issues and I appreciate

> it. How does everyone feel about having potlucks be open to

children

> of all ages by default, and if the person holding the potluck would

> like to restrict it to only a certain age or older, then that is

> noted in the potluck description? Is there anyone who wouldn't want

> to host a potluck because they might think that others would think

> less of them for restricting the potluck? I hope not. I hope that

> people will always feel well loved for being willing to host, and

> will feel that whatever restrictions are necessary are completely

> accepted by all of us.

> peace,

> Orion