Guest guest Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 the seattle times is looking for people to interview about raw foods for an article on diets to be published in late august if you're interested in being interviewed, contact; mary spicuzza 206-464-3192 mspicuzza norm )~ ...... raw food, simply wonderful ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 I was interviewed by the SeaTimes reporter for the article she's working on. She mentioned that she had talked to a few other Raw Seattlites, so I thought I'd pass along that I did a search on an author's name that she mentioned as being the focus of the article. I found a piece with a similar theme that she wrote a couple years ago in another big city newspaper. That other article is here http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=11630. With all the mainstream press raw food has gotten since then, I guess we can only hope that this article will be better. Now we who want to be healthy are really the sufferers of a new disease called " Orthorexia Nervosa " . What next, eh. Watch next Wednesday's " health " section. Nora -- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 I had wondered what kind of slant the article would be. She had contacted me about an interview. I was unable to accommodate. She had mentioned that the article would include information about orthorexia nervosa. Hopefully she will share lots of positive information to offset any negative views. In all my time around other raw foodists, I don't think I've met anyone that fit into the definition of Orthorexia Nervosa. At least I don't! Jeff >I was interviewed by the SeaTimes reporter for the article she's working >on. She mentioned that she had talked to a few other Raw Seattlites, so I >thought I'd pass along that I did a search on an author's name that she >mentioned as being the focus of the article. I found a piece with a >similar theme that she wrote a couple years ago in another big city >newspaper. That other article is here >http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=11630. With all the mainstream >press raw food has gotten since then, I guess we can only hope that this >article will be better. Now we who want to be healthy are really the >sufferers of a new disease called " Orthorexia Nervosa " . What next, eh. >Watch next Wednesday's " health " section. >Nora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Hi Jeff, Well I guess it depends on how you look at it. I had to answer some of the " self-test " questions in the affirmative, including " Do you sacrifice experiences you once enjoyed to eat the food you believe is right? " I don't know any successful raw fooder, or even anybody who's trying to adopt healthier habits, who would be able to say " no " to this one. Then there's, " Do you feel an increased sense of self-esteem when you are eating healthy food? " Of course we all have better feelings about ourselves and the world in general when we are truly healthy, but to make sure that we can't answer " yes " to this question, he adds " Do you look down on others who don't? " , which implies that healthy self esteem automatically means you look down on others. The guy is just out to put down anybody who isn't bent on self-destruction via entertainment like the rest of our culture. I guess we'll hope for the best. You might end up being glad you couldn't connect with the reporter. Nora -- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 The public will enjoy a health article that makes them feel better about their coffee, donuts, burger, fries, coke and pizza existence. Yes, we raw foodists don't eat like MOST people, however MOST people are going to die an early death from cancer or heart disease. About 75%! Look at the health stats from those who eat the Standard American Diet (SAD). I don't look down on them, I pity them. I am so thankful to God for showing me a better way to LIVE. Jenny Silliman Sequim, WA ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 Hi, all - It's interesting, that the natural way for a human being to eat would be considered an eating disorder (likely by the medical establishment which stands to lose lots of money if too many people figure this out). When we consider the animals in the wild, when they eat the raw, living foods that are natural to them, is that considered an eating disorder? Is a deer considered strange because he/she does not go down to the local deer 7-11 and buy nachos and beer?? At the festival/retreat last weekend, I watched as fish in the lake jumped out of the water to catch small flying critters. Are they considered to be following some dietary fad that needs to be treated by a shrink? I overheard a young woman talking with another person, saying that her parents want to kidnap her from this " cult " and have her " deprogrammed " . How scary!! Yet if she was eating at McDonald's all the time, they would probably be ok with that! It would seem to be more appropriate to label other eating patterns as disorders, for example: Pizza and pop: stuffedcrustandpepsi nervosa Can't leave the bread alone: breadandbutter nervosa Eats an entire package of cookies in one sitting: chocolatechiporeo nervosa Loves cheese: casomorphine nervosa Nothing but Top Ramen and boxed mac & cheese: instantpasta nervosa Endless fast food: Bigmac nervosa I could spend a lot of time coming up with eating disorders that could describe eating patterns that vary from the prescribed norm. Would anybody start to investigate and research them? Probably not! Are they making people sick? You betcha! Yet, when we are eating the healthiest, most natural diet for a human being, that will not make us sick, we're considered to have something that needs to be diagnosed and treated!! (Which is where the medical establishment is headed with this with the types of questioning that Nora faced. BTW, that one question was actually two questions, I would have answered it as two questions.) It will be interesting to see what the Times actually prints. I think we should be all prepared with our responses. See everybody at the potluck this weekend! Sue nlenz [nlenz] Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:11 AM RawSeattle RE: [RawSeattle] Seattle Times article Hi Jeff, Well I guess it depends on how you look at it. I had to answer some of the " self-test " questions in the affirmative, including " Do you sacrifice experiences you once enjoyed to eat the food you believe is right? " I don't know any successful raw fooder, or even anybody who's trying to adopt healthier habits, who would be able to say " no " to this one. Then there's, " Do you feel an increased sense of self-esteem when you are eating healthy food? " Of course we all have better feelings about ourselves and the world in general when we are truly healthy, but to make sure that we can't answer " yes " to this question, he adds " Do you look down on others who don't? " , which implies that healthy self esteem automatically means you look down on others. The guy is just out to put down anybody who isn't bent on self-destruction via entertainment like the rest of our culture. I guess we'll hope for the best. You might end up being glad you couldn't connect with the reporter. Nora -- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 Thought it might be interesting to do this, from a raw fooder perspective. Sue Orthorexia Self-Test Dr. Bratman has created a 10-question quiz to determine whether a person's relationship to health food is a virtue or a vice. Each " yes " answer scores one point on the orthorexia self-test. 1. Do you spend more than three hours a day thinking about healthy food? (For four hours, give yourself two points.) Yes - I work as a nutritionist! I get paid to think about healthy food! All day!! But I don't think about eating it - it's like a bank teller, working with money all day, it becomes another commodity. 2. Do you plan tomorrow's food today? No more than before - if I need to do my grocery shopping today so I can eat tomorrow, I do need to think about what I'm going to eat tomorrow, especially if I need to put something to soak! 3. Do you care more about the virtue of what you eat than the pleasure you receive from eating it? No, it's all pleasure! 4. Have you found that as the quality of your diet has increased, the quality of your life has correspondingly diminished? No, to the contrary, the quality of my life has increased. 5. Do you keep getting stricter with yourself? No more than usual. I have to be careful about fats and sweets, that's always been a problem for me, so occasionally I have to rein myself in. 6. Do you sacrifice experiences you once enjoyed to eat the food you believe is right? I do sometimes miss the spices that are used in ethnic cooking, especially when I smell them in my co-workers' lunches. But I find that I can savor that smell, and in a sense continue to experience the pleasure of that aroma. After all, the sense of taste also relies on the sense of smell. 7. Do you feel an increased sense of self-esteem when you are eating healthy food? Do you look down on others who don't? Not really, I just feel healthier. I must avoid looking down on others who do not eat healthy foods - I work with people in the general population, who mostly eat SAD. 8. Do you feel guilt or self-loathing when you stray from your diet? Nope - just very sick. That memory keeps me on track. 9. Does your diet socially isolate you? Nope - we have a great social circle in our raw community, and my church and family are also accepting. 10. When you are eating the way you are supposed to, do you feel a peaceful sense of total control? No - I just don't feel tired or sick! I just feel peaceful. ****************************************************** So I guess this is all about psychological issues surrounding food, and our motivations for doing what we're doing. Having read the article, I understand where this is all coming from. There are people of all dietary persuasions with unhealthy relationships with food. It's just that we don't have any major industry to go to bat for our dietary style! I think that most of us would do ok on this test. Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 What gets me is that it's considered pathological if you plan tomorrow's meal today! Once upon a time in home ec class, we girls were taught to plan the weeks' menus ahead of time. And are people who host dinner parties, weddings, etc. mentally ill for planning the meal ahead of time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 **I thought it would be funny to do the questions tounge-in-cheek from a SAD person's perspective. Read below the questions for a different perspective!** Ron Koenig Bellevue, WA RawSeattle , " Sue Aberle " <sue@a...> wrote: > > Orthorexia Self-Test > Dr. Bratman has created a 10-question quiz to determine whether a person's relationship to health food is a virtue or a vice. Each " yes " answer scores > one point on the orthorexia self-test. > 1. Do you spend more than three hours a day thinking about healthy food? > (For four hours, give yourself two points.) You see, on the SAD diet, we don't think so much, our brains are too fogged up by the poor quality food we eat. > 2. Do you plan tomorrow's food today? Hey, on the SAD diet, be spontaneous, just go to McDonalds or a restaurant. We aren't smart enough to plan ahead and save money by buying in bulk. > 3. Do you care more about the virtue of what you eat than the pleasure you receive from eating it? Who cares about virtue? It's food and I'm hungry. > 4. Have you found that as the quality of your diet has increased, the quality of your life has correspondingly diminished? Well, they never join us for fast food, their quality of life must be diminished! > 5. Do you keep getting stricter with yourself? All they do is think about food! Those of us on the SAD diet are too tired and having a headache to even want to think about things like that! > 6. Do you sacrifice experiences you once enjoyed to eat the food you believe is right? Hey, how can they enjoy themselves when they are making so many sacrifices in not eating all this processed and cooked food? They are so missing out! > 7. Do you feel an increased sense of self-esteem when you are eating healthy food? Do you look down on others who don't? I can't stand a person who can't sympathize with me when I feel all strung out, have headaches, stomachaches and all. They act like they are so much more healthier than me. > 8. Do you feel guilt or self-loathing when you stray from your diet? Hey, I never feel guilty eating anything in site, those poor folks are so riddled with guilt! They really want to eat like I do! > 9. Does your diet socially isolate you? Hey, I've never had a problem getting people to join me to go out for a hamburger or a pizza. I can't understand why they won't join me. > 10. When you are eating the way you are supposed to, do you feel a peaceful sense of total control? You can't be in control of your health! That's what doctors are for and all those over-the-counter medicines. If it wasn't for those, I could never eat like this and stay in control of my health. > ****************************************************** > > So I guess this is all about psychological issues surrounding food, and our > motivations for doing what we're doing. Having read the article, I > understand where this is all coming from. There are people of all dietary > persuasions with unhealthy relationships with food. It's just that we don't > have any major industry to go to bat for our dietary style! I think that > most of us would do ok on this test. > Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 Well said, Ron!! Ron Koenig [ron.koenig] Friday, August 29, 2003 6:51 PM RawSeattle [RawSeattle] Re: Seattle Times article **I thought it would be funny to do the questions tounge-in-cheek from a SAD person's perspective. Read below the questions for a different perspective!** Ron Koenig Bellevue, WA RawSeattle , " Sue Aberle " <sue@a...> wrote: > > Orthorexia Self-Test > Dr. Bratman has created a 10-question quiz to determine whether a person's relationship to health food is a virtue or a vice. Each " yes " answer scores > one point on the orthorexia self-test. > 1. Do you spend more than three hours a day thinking about healthy food? > (For four hours, give yourself two points.) You see, on the SAD diet, we don't think so much, our brains are too fogged up by the poor quality food we eat. > 2. Do you plan tomorrow's food today? Hey, on the SAD diet, be spontaneous, just go to McDonalds or a restaurant. We aren't smart enough to plan ahead and save money by buying in bulk. > 3. Do you care more about the virtue of what you eat than the pleasure you receive from eating it? Who cares about virtue? It's food and I'm hungry. > 4. Have you found that as the quality of your diet has increased, the quality of your life has correspondingly diminished? Well, they never join us for fast food, their quality of life must be diminished! > 5. Do you keep getting stricter with yourself? All they do is think about food! Those of us on the SAD diet are too tired and having a headache to even want to think about things like that! > 6. Do you sacrifice experiences you once enjoyed to eat the food you believe is right? Hey, how can they enjoy themselves when they are making so many sacrifices in not eating all this processed and cooked food? They are so missing out! > 7. Do you feel an increased sense of self-esteem when you are eating healthy food? Do you look down on others who don't? I can't stand a person who can't sympathize with me when I feel all strung out, have headaches, stomachaches and all. They act like they are so much more healthier than me. > 8. Do you feel guilt or self-loathing when you stray from your diet? Hey, I never feel guilty eating anything in site, those poor folks are so riddled with guilt! They really want to eat like I do! > 9. Does your diet socially isolate you? Hey, I've never had a problem getting people to join me to go out for a hamburger or a pizza. I can't understand why they won't join me. > 10. When you are eating the way you are supposed to, do you feel a peaceful sense of total control? You can't be in control of your health! That's what doctors are for and all those over-the-counter medicines. If it wasn't for those, I could never eat like this and stay in control of my health. > ****************************************************** > > So I guess this is all about psychological issues surrounding food, and our > motivations for doing what we're doing. Having read the article, I > understand where this is all coming from. There are people of all dietary > persuasions with unhealthy relationships with food. It's just that we don't > have any major industry to go to bat for our dietary style! I think that > most of us would do ok on this test. > Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 Wow, what an article. It's amazing how something so potentially beneficial for a person can get so twisted around by those who don't understand or appreciate it. I think " orthorexia nervosa " is certainly a realistic concern in some cases, though. What works for one person might not work for another, and I think it's fair to say that a 100% raw food diet simply will not work for every person over the long term (for a variety of reasons). But, failing to find that out for oneself would be a real loss for many, I think. I have met some raw-foodists who are, in my opinion, too religious about their diet, and who may actually suspend their otherwise rational judgment on something because it doesn't coincide with their raw-food belief system. In retrospect, I myself have been guilty of this at times. I was so inspired by the diet and message behind it, that I ignored some of the inconsistencies in the raw- food " teachings " of the different raw food advocates for a while. I think this is the real danger of certain health-food movements -- not the diet themselves, but that the great initial enthusiasm about the diet can turn into a rigid belief system where a person is no longer willing to have their beliefs be potentially wrong. That is the very definition of closed-mindedness, and is the end of learning for a person. I have actually seen this to a much more significant degree in the vegan communities than the raw-fooder ones -- too many vegans, it seems to me, look down upon meat eaters with disdain (while accordingly promoting their own choices as superior), and upon inspection one can see that they are not just eating vegan because of animal rights or their own health, but because of the ego gratification they derive from it. I think when such feelings are " ingested " as part of the food one eats, it can really be harmful for a person; as anyone who has ever detoxed will surely appreciate. Anyway, just a few thoughts for you I really wish the article's message had been closer to " You just have to find out for yourself if the raw foods diet works for you -- and be open to either possibility. " Only in that case, I feel, is any person in a position to gain the most benefit from their choices in life, whatever they may be. Joel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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