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<<< " Is anyone concerned about his total cholesterol level? "

 

Hi Ron,

Most raw fooders don't monitor their cholesterol levels. If you eat the

right foods, get enough sleep, exercise, sunlight, fresh air and social

support, everything takes care of itself. Disease is caused, and if you take

away cause, there is no disease. I know it's hard to wrap your mind around

this at first -- we are all deeply programmed to believe otherwise by the

medical establishment. All I can say is that it is profoundly liberating

when we do finally realize how much our health is truly within our control.

 

Group:

I have been asked to make a couple more copies of the " Life Science " course

that I offered last winter. Since I'm going to be making copies anyway, if

anyone else is interested in getting one, please email me privately within

the next two days. The cost is $175. The course is 20 Lessons, 2,300 pages

of extremely comprehensive health information designed to prepare someone to

become a certified " Life Science " (natural health) consultant. I'll paste

the table of contents below so you can see what all it covers.

Nora

 

 

PART I: THE FOUNDATION OF LIFE

Intro to Life Science as a way of life

The Nature and Purpose of Disease

The Life Science System for Perfect Health, Part I

Program for Perfect Health, Part II

Intro to Nutritional Science

The Immense Wisdom and Providence of the Body

PART II: THE NUTRITIONAL BASES OF LIFE

Carbohydrates: Fuel for the Human Body

Proteins in the Diet

Vitamins: The Metabolic Wizards of Life Processes

The Role of Minerals in Human Nutrition

Fats in the Diet

The Role of Acid and Alkaline Substances

PART III: NONDIETARY FACTORS IN NUTRITION

Air, Sunshine and Natural Light Essential to Health

Water

The Roles of Rest and Sleep

Nutrition, the Mind and Emotions

Exercise and its Beneficient Role in Nutrition and Digestion

Ascertaining the Human Dietary Character, Part I

PART IV: HUMAN PHYSIOLOGY AND ANATOMY

Ascertaining the Human Dietary Character, Part II

The Physiology of Digestion

Symptoms During Dietary Transition

The Principles of Digestive Physiology

PART V: PROPER HANDLING, SERVING AND EATING OF FOODS

Application of Food Combining Principles

Selection and Storage of Most Wholesome Foods

Preparing and Serving Foods for Best Nourishment

The Elixir of Life: An Exploration of Food Condition, Body Conditions and

Eating Conditions that Beget Euphoric Health and Long Life

PART VI: FOODS NOT SUITED TO THE HUMAN DIET

Why Condiments Should Not be Included

Sugars

Refined and Processed Foods

Why We Should Not Eat Meat

Why We Should Not Eat Animal Foods

The Harmfulness of Beverages

PART VII: WHAT'S WRONG WITH JUNK FOODS

Junk Foods, A Case Study of Molasses

Junk Foods, A Case Study of Onions and Garlic

Fermented and Putrefied Foods

Sociological Benefits of Avoiding Junk Foods

PART VIII: HARMFUL PRACTICES TO AVOID

Food Supplements

The Dangers of Drug Medications

Smoking

Why Herbs Should Not Be Used

Cooking Our Food

Overating, Fasting Fanaticism and Diet Fanaticism

PART IX: FASTING

Intro to Fasting

When to Fast

How long and How Often to Fast

How to Preside over a Fast

How to Break a Fast

PART X: ECOLOGICAL FACTORS AND THEIR ROLE IN NUTRITION

The Organic Garden

Orcharding

Chemicals in the Household Environment

Chemicals in our air

Solar energy

Weather and our well being

PART XI: HEALTHY INFANTS AND CHILDREN

Prenatal care for better infant and maternal health and less painful

childbirth

Normal Feeding of Infants

Weaning the Infant: Feeding of Children

Fasting children during disease

Teaching children about healthy living

PART XII: NATURAL HYGIENE -- A BETTER WAY OF LIVING

Self sufficiency and natural hygiene

Nutrition and the skin

Healthy eyes and teeth

Nutrition and the Hair

Stress management: The Life Science Approach

PART XIII: " CURING " AND MEDICAL CONCEPTS

There are no cures

Contagion, epidemics

How to withstand hospitalization with the least harm (what treatments to

accept/reject)

First aid and natural hygiene

Nutritional approach to overcoming addictions

PART XIV: COMMON ILLNESSES AND DISEASES AND HOW HYGIENIC LIVING CAN HELP

Colds, Flus, upper respiratory ailments

Allergies, hay fever and other chronic diseases

Sugar and carbohydrate metabolism disease

Disease relating to the heart and circulatory system

Cancers, tumors

Ulcers

Gastrointestinal disease

Reproductive Problems

PART XV: SOCIAL RAMIFICATIONS OF HYGIENIC LIVING

Adjustment to hygienic living within the family

Socializing and natural hygiene

The adolescent and healthful living

Senior citizens living hygienically

PART XVI: GETTING TO KNOW OTHER DIETARY SCHOOLS

The basic four diet

The dangers of a high protein diet

The supplement approach tonutrition

Chiropractic, homeopathy and osteopathy

The vegetarian diet

Introducing clients to the need for lifestyle change

PART XVII: TEACHING HEALTH BUILDING PRACTICES

Psychology and practical aspects involved in making a change in lifestyle

Methods for Inducing a lifestyle change

Planning a transition to better living

Teaching your clients about fasting

PART XVIII: EXERCISE AND ITS ROLE IN HEALTHFUL LIVING

Exercise and children

Exercise in Sickness and recuperation

Corrective Exercises and their application

Devising a lifestyle that includes vigorous activity

Exercise programs for the healthy

PART XIX: TAKING CHARGE OF OUR DESTINY

Restructuring the way we produce our foods, part I & II

The human possibility: Harmonizing society culture and lifestyle to save our

planet

PART XX: CLIENT RELATIONSHIPS

The Initial interview

The health practitioner and his legal responsibilities

Developing and administering a health counseling service

Inspiring and motivating the client

Methods for Generating Clients

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Hi Nora,

 

The most difficult part of the formula for health that you mentioned

yesterday, as far as I am concerned, is social support. I went to

lunch yesterday with some people from work. I told them I was on a

diet and they said the barbeque restaurant where we were headed had

lots of diet food. I wound up eating some salad dressing or

condiments or something that really set me off. I had terrible

trouble with cravings the rest of the day and finally succumed last

night.

 

I'm feeling guilt, remorse and hypoglycemia today, which is certainly

not the health you spoke of.

 

It gets tiring to start over, so I am getting more and more fenatic

each time it happens.

 

Your Life Science Course sounds very interesting, but I don't know if

now is the right time for me.

 

Thanks for your posts.

 

Ron McClure

 

RawSeattle , Nora Lenz <nmlenz@s...> wrote:

> <<< " Is anyone concerned about his total cholesterol level? "

>

> Hi Ron,

> Most raw fooders don't monitor their cholesterol levels. If you

eat the

> right foods, get enough sleep, exercise, sunlight, fresh air and

social

> support, everything takes care of itself. Disease is caused, and

if you take

> away cause, there is no disease. I know it's hard to wrap your

mind around

> this at first -- we are all deeply programmed to believe otherwise

by the

> medical establishment. All I can say is that it is profoundly

liberating

> when we do finally realize how much our health is truly within our

control.

>

> Group:

> I have been asked to make a couple more copies of the " Life

Science " course

> that I offered last winter. Since I'm going to be making copies

anyway, if

> anyone else is interested in getting one, please email me privately

within

> the next two days. The cost is $175. The course is 20 Lessons,

2,300 pages

> of extremely comprehensive health information designed to prepare

someone to

> become a certified " Life Science " (natural health) consultant.

I'll paste

> the table of contents below so you can see what all it covers.

> Nora

>

>

> PART I: THE FOUNDATION OF LIFE

> Intro to Life Science as a way of life

> The Nature and Purpose of Disease

> The Life Science System for Perfect Health, Part I

> Program for Perfect Health, Part II

> Intro to Nutritional Science

> The Immense Wisdom and Providence of the Body

> PART II: THE NUTRITIONAL BASES OF LIFE

> Carbohydrates: Fuel for the Human Body

> Proteins in the Diet

> Vitamins: The Metabolic Wizards of Life Processes

> The Role of Minerals in Human Nutrition

> Fats in the Diet

> The Role of Acid and Alkaline Substances

> PART III: NONDIETARY FACTORS IN NUTRITION

> Air, Sunshine and Natural Light Essential to Health

> Water

> The Roles of Rest and Sleep

> Nutrition, the Mind and Emotions

> Exercise and its Beneficient Role in Nutrition and Digestion

> Ascertaining the Human Dietary Character, Part I

> PART IV: HUMAN PHYSIOLOGY AND ANATOMY

> Ascertaining the Human Dietary Character, Part II

> The Physiology of Digestion

> Symptoms During Dietary Transition

> The Principles of Digestive Physiology

> PART V: PROPER HANDLING, SERVING AND EATING OF FOODS

> Application of Food Combining Principles

> Selection and Storage of Most Wholesome Foods

> Preparing and Serving Foods for Best Nourishment

> The Elixir of Life: An Exploration of Food Condition, Body

Conditions and

> Eating Conditions that Beget Euphoric Health and Long Life

> PART VI: FOODS NOT SUITED TO THE HUMAN DIET

> Why Condiments Should Not be Included

> Sugars

> Refined and Processed Foods

> Why We Should Not Eat Meat

> Why We Should Not Eat Animal Foods

> The Harmfulness of Beverages

> PART VII: WHAT'S WRONG WITH JUNK FOODS

> Junk Foods, A Case Study of Molasses

> Junk Foods, A Case Study of Onions and Garlic

> Fermented and Putrefied Foods

> Sociological Benefits of Avoiding Junk Foods

> PART VIII: HARMFUL PRACTICES TO AVOID

> Food Supplements

> The Dangers of Drug Medications

> Smoking

> Why Herbs Should Not Be Used

> Cooking Our Food

> Overating, Fasting Fanaticism and Diet Fanaticism

> PART IX: FASTING

> Intro to Fasting

> When to Fast

> How long and How Often to Fast

> How to Preside over a Fast

> How to Break a Fast

> PART X: ECOLOGICAL FACTORS AND THEIR ROLE IN NUTRITION

> The Organic Garden

> Orcharding

> Chemicals in the Household Environment

> Chemicals in our air

> Solar energy

> Weather and our well being

> PART XI: HEALTHY INFANTS AND CHILDREN

> Prenatal care for better infant and maternal health and less painful

> childbirth

> Normal Feeding of Infants

> Weaning the Infant: Feeding of Children

> Fasting children during disease

> Teaching children about healthy living

> PART XII: NATURAL HYGIENE -- A BETTER WAY OF LIVING

> Self sufficiency and natural hygiene

> Nutrition and the skin

> Healthy eyes and teeth

> Nutrition and the Hair

> Stress management: The Life Science Approach

> PART XIII: " CURING " AND MEDICAL CONCEPTS

> There are no cures

> Contagion, epidemics

> How to withstand hospitalization with the least harm (what

treatments to

> accept/reject)

> First aid and natural hygiene

> Nutritional approach to overcoming addictions

> PART XIV: COMMON ILLNESSES AND DISEASES AND HOW HYGIENIC LIVING CAN

HELP

> Colds, Flus, upper respiratory ailments

> Allergies, hay fever and other chronic diseases

> Sugar and carbohydrate metabolism disease

> Disease relating to the heart and circulatory system

> Cancers, tumors

> Ulcers

> Gastrointestinal disease

> Reproductive Problems

> PART XV: SOCIAL RAMIFICATIONS OF HYGIENIC LIVING

> Adjustment to hygienic living within the family

> Socializing and natural hygiene

> The adolescent and healthful living

> Senior citizens living hygienically

> PART XVI: GETTING TO KNOW OTHER DIETARY SCHOOLS

> The basic four diet

> The dangers of a high protein diet

> The supplement approach tonutrition

> Chiropractic, homeopathy and osteopathy

> The vegetarian diet

> Introducing clients to the need for lifestyle change

> PART XVII: TEACHING HEALTH BUILDING PRACTICES

> Psychology and practical aspects involved in making a change in

lifestyle

> Methods for Inducing a lifestyle change

> Planning a transition to better living

> Teaching your clients about fasting

> PART XVIII: EXERCISE AND ITS ROLE IN HEALTHFUL LIVING

> Exercise and children

> Exercise in Sickness and recuperation

> Corrective Exercises and their application

> Devising a lifestyle that includes vigorous activity

> Exercise programs for the healthy

> PART XIX: TAKING CHARGE OF OUR DESTINY

> Restructuring the way we produce our foods, part I & II

> The human possibility: Harmonizing society culture and lifestyle to

save our

> planet

> PART XX: CLIENT RELATIONSHIPS

> The Initial interview

> The health practitioner and his legal responsibilities

> Developing and administering a health counseling service

> Inspiring and motivating the client

> Methods for Generating Clients

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Hi Ron,

I meant the term in a much more general sense. Under the heading of social

support would fall intimate and/or close interactions with others, freedom

from fear and stress, purposeful endeavors, psychological security, and many

other things. These are some of the requisites of good health.

 

You need to not put yourself in tempting situations, if they are a problem

for you. Some people can continue going out to restaurants, etc., like they

always did and stay on their path to the raw lifestyle and wellness. Others

can't. I couldn't. If you can't, then you must choose. If you need help

finding ways to feed yourself without putting yourself in potentially

self-sabotaging situations, ask other raw fooders what they did/do, and be

creative.

 

Gathering information is the most important part of the process, and it

should be the first part. Nobody should transition to a raw food diet

without educating him/herself first. That's a recipe for certain failure.

If you want all your questions answered with simple, down-to-earth,

self-evident and irrefutable truths, the course I have will do that. It's

always a good idea to know where you're headed before you begin your journey.

 

Nora

 

 

rlmftw wrote:

 

> Hi Nora,

>

> The most difficult part of the formula for health that you mentioned

> yesterday, as far as I am concerned, is social support. I went to

> lunch yesterday with some people from work. I told them I was on a

> diet and they said the barbeque restaurant where we were headed had

> lots of diet food. I wound up eating some salad dressing or

> condiments or something that really set me off. I had terrible

> trouble with cravings the rest of the day and finally succumed last

> night.

>

> I'm feeling guilt, remorse and hypoglycemia today, which is certainly

> not the health you spoke of.

>

> It gets tiring to start over, so I am getting more and more fenatic

> each time it happens.

>

> Your Life Science Course sounds very interesting, but I don't know if

> now is the right time for me.

>

> Thanks for your posts.

>

> Ron McClure

>

> RawSeattle , Nora Lenz <nmlenz@s...> wrote:

> > <<< " Is anyone concerned about his total cholesterol level? "

> >

> > Hi Ron,

> > Most raw fooders don't monitor their cholesterol levels. If you

> eat the

> > right foods, get enough sleep, exercise, sunlight, fresh air and

> social

> > support, everything takes care of itself. Disease is caused, and

> if you take

> > away cause, there is no disease. I know it's hard to wrap your

> mind around

> > this at first -- we are all deeply programmed to believe otherwise

> by the

> > medical establishment. All I can say is that it is profoundly

> liberating

> > when we do finally realize how much our health is truly within our

> control.

> >

> > Group:

> > I have been asked to make a couple more copies of the " Life

> Science " course

> > that I offered last winter. Since I'm going to be making copies

> anyway, if

> > anyone else is interested in getting one, please email me privately

> within

> > the next two days. The cost is $175. The course is 20 Lessons,

> 2,300 pages

> > of extremely comprehensive health information designed to prepare

> someone to

> > become a certified " Life Science " (natural health) consultant.

> I'll paste

> > the table of contents below so you can see what all it covers.

> > Nora

> >

> >

> > PART I: THE FOUNDATION OF LIFE

> > Intro to Life Science as a way of life

> > The Nature and Purpose of Disease

> > The Life Science System for Perfect Health, Part I

> > Program for Perfect Health, Part II

> > Intro to Nutritional Science

> > The Immense Wisdom and Providence of the Body

> > PART II: THE NUTRITIONAL BASES OF LIFE

> > Carbohydrates: Fuel for the Human Body

> > Proteins in the Diet

> > Vitamins: The Metabolic Wizards of Life Processes

> > The Role of Minerals in Human Nutrition

> > Fats in the Diet

> > The Role of Acid and Alkaline Substances

> > PART III: NONDIETARY FACTORS IN NUTRITION

> > Air, Sunshine and Natural Light Essential to Health

> > Water

> > The Roles of Rest and Sleep

> > Nutrition, the Mind and Emotions

> > Exercise and its Beneficient Role in Nutrition and Digestion

> > Ascertaining the Human Dietary Character, Part I

> > PART IV: HUMAN PHYSIOLOGY AND ANATOMY

> > Ascertaining the Human Dietary Character, Part II

> > The Physiology of Digestion

> > Symptoms During Dietary Transition

> > The Principles of Digestive Physiology

> > PART V: PROPER HANDLING, SERVING AND EATING OF FOODS

> > Application of Food Combining Principles

> > Selection and Storage of Most Wholesome Foods

> > Preparing and Serving Foods for Best Nourishment

> > The Elixir of Life: An Exploration of Food Condition, Body

> Conditions and

> > Eating Conditions that Beget Euphoric Health and Long Life

> > PART VI: FOODS NOT SUITED TO THE HUMAN DIET

> > Why Condiments Should Not be Included

> > Sugars

> > Refined and Processed Foods

> > Why We Should Not Eat Meat

> > Why We Should Not Eat Animal Foods

> > The Harmfulness of Beverages

> > PART VII: WHAT'S WRONG WITH JUNK FOODS

> > Junk Foods, A Case Study of Molasses

> > Junk Foods, A Case Study of Onions and Garlic

> > Fermented and Putrefied Foods

> > Sociological Benefits of Avoiding Junk Foods

> > PART VIII: HARMFUL PRACTICES TO AVOID

> > Food Supplements

> > The Dangers of Drug Medications

> > Smoking

> > Why Herbs Should Not Be Used

> > Cooking Our Food

> > Overating, Fasting Fanaticism and Diet Fanaticism

> > PART IX: FASTING

> > Intro to Fasting

> > When to Fast

> > How long and How Often to Fast

> > How to Preside over a Fast

> > How to Break a Fast

> > PART X: ECOLOGICAL FACTORS AND THEIR ROLE IN NUTRITION

> > The Organic Garden

> > Orcharding

> > Chemicals in the Household Environment

> > Chemicals in our air

> > Solar energy

> > Weather and our well being

> > PART XI: HEALTHY INFANTS AND CHILDREN

> > Prenatal care for better infant and maternal health and less painful

> > childbirth

> > Normal Feeding of Infants

> > Weaning the Infant: Feeding of Children

> > Fasting children during disease

> > Teaching children about healthy living

> > PART XII: NATURAL HYGIENE -- A BETTER WAY OF LIVING

> > Self sufficiency and natural hygiene

> > Nutrition and the skin

> > Healthy eyes and teeth

> > Nutrition and the Hair

> > Stress management: The Life Science Approach

> > PART XIII: " CURING " AND MEDICAL CONCEPTS

> > There are no cures

> > Contagion, epidemics

> > How to withstand hospitalization with the least harm (what

> treatments to

> > accept/reject)

> > First aid and natural hygiene

> > Nutritional approach to overcoming addictions

> > PART XIV: COMMON ILLNESSES AND DISEASES AND HOW HYGIENIC LIVING CAN

> HELP

> > Colds, Flus, upper respiratory ailments

> > Allergies, hay fever and other chronic diseases

> > Sugar and carbohydrate metabolism disease

> > Disease relating to the heart and circulatory system

> > Cancers, tumors

> > Ulcers

> > Gastrointestinal disease

> > Reproductive Problems

> > PART XV: SOCIAL RAMIFICATIONS OF HYGIENIC LIVING

> > Adjustment to hygienic living within the family

> > Socializing and natural hygiene

> > The adolescent and healthful living

> > Senior citizens living hygienically

> > PART XVI: GETTING TO KNOW OTHER DIETARY SCHOOLS

> > The basic four diet

> > The dangers of a high protein diet

> > The supplement approach tonutrition

> > Chiropractic, homeopathy and osteopathy

> > The vegetarian diet

> > Introducing clients to the need for lifestyle change

> > PART XVII: TEACHING HEALTH BUILDING PRACTICES

> > Psychology and practical aspects involved in making a change in

> lifestyle

> > Methods for Inducing a lifestyle change

> > Planning a transition to better living

> > Teaching your clients about fasting

> > PART XVIII: EXERCISE AND ITS ROLE IN HEALTHFUL LIVING

> > Exercise and children

> > Exercise in Sickness and recuperation

> > Corrective Exercises and their application

> > Devising a lifestyle that includes vigorous activity

> > Exercise programs for the healthy

> > PART XIX: TAKING CHARGE OF OUR DESTINY

> > Restructuring the way we produce our foods, part I & II

> > The human possibility: Harmonizing society culture and lifestyle to

> save our

> > planet

> > PART XX: CLIENT RELATIONSHIPS

> > The Initial interview

> > The health practitioner and his legal responsibilities

> > Developing and administering a health counseling service

> > Inspiring and motivating the client

> > Methods for Generating Clients

>

>

>

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Nora:

 

After I see your definition of social support I still say that is the

weakest part of my " recovery. " I feel that I'm doing it alone; in

fact, I feel more than alienated--I sometimes feel that I'm at war

with smokers, drinkers, compulsive eaters--everybody who advocates

the Western diet and sedentary lifestyle--which is EVERYBODY that I

work with, live with and meet on the street here in Fort Worth!

 

Perhaps your Life Science Course would be a good source of

information, which is the first step, as you say, but right now I'm

moving to a more sane place to live, I'm insecure in my job or maybe

even having to look for another one, and feeling fairly insecure

about the prospect of turning 60 and having to start a new life and a

new career!

 

I also feel powerless. That is, I fear that even with loads of good

information and advice, I would still be trapped in the same age,

financial and social limitations that I'm experiencing now!

 

Can you tell me a little more about the course?

 

Ron

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Ron,

 

I understand how you feel, I'm from Dallas. There's a

Whole Foods store in Ft Worth, isn't there? It sounds

silly, but when I felt very isolated as a vegan, just

going to Whole Foods made me feel a little better.

Even though I didn't know any of the other shoppers or

employees and would be too shy to just start a

conversation with someone, I felt that at least I was

under the same roof with people that were a little

more progressive health wise than the rest of Dallas.

You can find a lot of support online, do a search and

find different raw websites, a lot of them have

discussion boards with very supportive people. You

might find other people in Dallas.

 

It's really hard for me to stay raw when I go out to

eat with friends too. Don't be too hard on yourself.

 

Best of luck to you!

 

Audrey

--- rlmftw <rlmftw wrote:

> Nora:

>

> After I see your definition of social support I

> still say that is the

> weakest part of my " recovery. " I feel that I'm

> doing it alone; in

> fact, I feel more than alienated--I sometimes feel

> that I'm at war

> with smokers, drinkers, compulsive eaters--everybody

> who advocates

> the Western diet and sedentary lifestyle--which is

> EVERYBODY that I

> work with, live with and meet on the street here in

> Fort Worth!

>

> Perhaps your Life Science Course would be a good

> source of

> information, which is the first step, as you say,

> but right now I'm

> moving to a more sane place to live, I'm insecure in

> my job or maybe

> even having to look for another one, and feeling

> fairly insecure

> about the prospect of turning 60 and having to start

> a new life and a

> new career!

>

> I also feel powerless. That is, I fear that even

> with loads of good

> information and advice, I would still be trapped in

> the same age,

> financial and social limitations that I'm

> experiencing now!

>

> Can you tell me a little more about the course?

>

> Ron

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Ron

 

Please remember that it is through dilgent effort that change will come about.

 

When m family wishes to go to a restaraunt I usually eat before I go if I know

there is nothing there that I want or I bring my own food. ( No guilt!)

 

I use a plastic container that contains my favorite salad greens and veggies. I

cover this with a damp paper towel and put in a butter knife and fork. This is

placed in a plastic shopping bag with an avocado and a smaller container of my

homemade dressing.

 

At the restaurant I order a salad of just greens ( sometimes two salads if their

sevings are small) and then I add my own fixings to theirs. This way the

waiter/waitress is not short a paying customer.

 

I always bless my food before eating and I enjoy not only my food but those

around me.

 

I hope this offers encouragement to you.

 

Yes, it does take time to prepare a head of time but I have learned to budget my

time better so that I can better face the challenges of being with others on my

own terms. It is my choice to do so.

 

Light and Love

 

Ramona

 

-

rlmftw

RawSeattle

Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:44 AM

[RawSeattle] Re: Cholesterol/Life Science Course

 

 

Hi Nora,

 

The most difficult part of the formula for health that you mentioned

yesterday, as far as I am concerned, is social support. I went to

lunch yesterday with some people from work. I told them I was on a

diet and they said the barbeque restaurant where we were headed had

lots of diet food. I wound up eating some salad dressing or

condiments or something that really set me off. I had terrible

trouble with cravings the rest of the day and finally succumed last

night.

 

I'm feeling guilt, remorse and hypoglycemia today, which is certainly

not the health you spoke of.

 

It gets tiring to start over, so I am getting more and more fenatic

each time it happens.

 

Your Life Science Course sounds very interesting, but I don't know if

now is the right time for me.

 

Thanks for your posts.

 

Ron McClure

 

RawSeattle , Nora Lenz <nmlenz@s...> wrote:

> <<< " Is anyone concerned about his total cholesterol level? "

>

> Hi Ron,

> Most raw fooders don't monitor their cholesterol levels. If you

eat the

> right foods, get enough sleep, exercise, sunlight, fresh air and

social

> support, everything takes care of itself. Disease is caused, and

if you take

> away cause, there is no disease. I know it's hard to wrap your

mind around

> this at first -- we are all deeply programmed to believe otherwise

by the

> medical establishment. All I can say is that it is profoundly

liberating

> when we do finally realize how much our health is truly within our

control.

>

> Group:

> I have been asked to make a couple more copies of the " Life

Science " course

> that I offered last winter. Since I'm going to be making copies

anyway, if

> anyone else is interested in getting one, please email me privately

within

> the next two days. The cost is $175. The course is 20 Lessons,

2,300 pages

> of extremely comprehensive health information designed to prepare

someone to

> become a certified " Life Science " (natural health) consultant.

I'll paste

> the table of contents below so you can see what all it covers.

> Nora

>

>

> PART I: THE FOUNDATION OF LIFE

> Intro to Life Science as a way of life

> The Nature and Purpose of Disease

> The Life Science System for Perfect Health, Part I

> Program for Perfect Health, Part II

> Intro to Nutritional Science

> The Immense Wisdom and Providence of the Body

> PART II: THE NUTRITIONAL BASES OF LIFE

> Carbohydrates: Fuel for the Human Body

> Proteins in the Diet

> Vitamins: The Metabolic Wizards of Life Processes

> The Role of Minerals in Human Nutrition

> Fats in the Diet

> The Role of Acid and Alkaline Substances

> PART III: NONDIETARY FACTORS IN NUTRITION

> Air, Sunshine and Natural Light Essential to Health

> Water

> The Roles of Rest and Sleep

> Nutrition, the Mind and Emotions

> Exercise and its Beneficient Role in Nutrition and Digestion

> Ascertaining the Human Dietary Character, Part I

> PART IV: HUMAN PHYSIOLOGY AND ANATOMY

> Ascertaining the Human Dietary Character, Part II

> The Physiology of Digestion

> Symptoms During Dietary Transition

> The Principles of Digestive Physiology

> PART V: PROPER HANDLING, SERVING AND EATING OF FOODS

> Application of Food Combining Principles

> Selection and Storage of Most Wholesome Foods

> Preparing and Serving Foods for Best Nourishment

> The Elixir of Life: An Exploration of Food Condition, Body

Conditions and

> Eating Conditions that Beget Euphoric Health and Long Life

> PART VI: FOODS NOT SUITED TO THE HUMAN DIET

> Why Condiments Should Not be Included

> Sugars

> Refined and Processed Foods

> Why We Should Not Eat Meat

> Why We Should Not Eat Animal Foods

> The Harmfulness of Beverages

> PART VII: WHAT'S WRONG WITH JUNK FOODS

> Junk Foods, A Case Study of Molasses

> Junk Foods, A Case Study of Onions and Garlic

> Fermented and Putrefied Foods

> Sociological Benefits of Avoiding Junk Foods

> PART VIII: HARMFUL PRACTICES TO AVOID

> Food Supplements

> The Dangers of Drug Medications

> Smoking

> Why Herbs Should Not Be Used

> Cooking Our Food

> Overating, Fasting Fanaticism and Diet Fanaticism

> PART IX: FASTING

> Intro to Fasting

> When to Fast

> How long and How Often to Fast

> How to Preside over a Fast

> How to Break a Fast

> PART X: ECOLOGICAL FACTORS AND THEIR ROLE IN NUTRITION

> The Organic Garden

> Orcharding

> Chemicals in the Household Environment

> Chemicals in our air

> Solar energy

> Weather and our well being

> PART XI: HEALTHY INFANTS AND CHILDREN

> Prenatal care for better infant and maternal health and less painful

> childbirth

> Normal Feeding of Infants

> Weaning the Infant: Feeding of Children

> Fasting children during disease

> Teaching children about healthy living

> PART XII: NATURAL HYGIENE -- A BETTER WAY OF LIVING

> Self sufficiency and natural hygiene

> Nutrition and the skin

> Healthy eyes and teeth

> Nutrition and the Hair

> Stress management: The Life Science Approach

> PART XIII: " CURING " AND MEDICAL CONCEPTS

> There are no cures

> Contagion, epidemics

> How to withstand hospitalization with the least harm (what

treatments to

> accept/reject)

> First aid and natural hygiene

> Nutritional approach to overcoming addictions

> PART XIV: COMMON ILLNESSES AND DISEASES AND HOW HYGIENIC LIVING CAN

HELP

> Colds, Flus, upper respiratory ailments

> Allergies, hay fever and other chronic diseases

> Sugar and carbohydrate metabolism disease

> Disease relating to the heart and circulatory system

> Cancers, tumors

> Ulcers

> Gastrointestinal disease

> Reproductive Problems

> PART XV: SOCIAL RAMIFICATIONS OF HYGIENIC LIVING

> Adjustment to hygienic living within the family

> Socializing and natural hygiene

> The adolescent and healthful living

> Senior citizens living hygienically

> PART XVI: GETTING TO KNOW OTHER DIETARY SCHOOLS

> The basic four diet

> The dangers of a high protein diet

> The supplement approach tonutrition

> Chiropractic, homeopathy and osteopathy

> The vegetarian diet

> Introducing clients to the need for lifestyle change

> PART XVII: TEACHING HEALTH BUILDING PRACTICES

> Psychology and practical aspects involved in making a change in

lifestyle

> Methods for Inducing a lifestyle change

> Planning a transition to better living

> Teaching your clients about fasting

> PART XVIII: EXERCISE AND ITS ROLE IN HEALTHFUL LIVING

> Exercise and children

> Exercise in Sickness and recuperation

> Corrective Exercises and their application

> Devising a lifestyle that includes vigorous activity

> Exercise programs for the healthy

> PART XIX: TAKING CHARGE OF OUR DESTINY

> Restructuring the way we produce our foods, part I & II

> The human possibility: Harmonizing society culture and lifestyle to

save our

> planet

> PART XX: CLIENT RELATIONSHIPS

> The Initial interview

> The health practitioner and his legal responsibilities

> Developing and administering a health counseling service

> Inspiring and motivating the client

> Methods for Generating Clients

 

 

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Ron

 

My heart goes out to you for I too have felt the pain of feeling alone and

alien from those around me. Each time these feelings would over whelm me I

would do deep soul searching to find what it was that I wanted. How did I

want to live and what was I willing to do to acheive it. Only you can answer

those questions for yourself.

 

Education is a great way to develop inner strength and security for that

which you have chosen to be right for you.

 

I can assure you that strength does develop with continued effort and it

will become easier. Take each moment as it comes and if you need to start

again so be it. It is possible.

 

I wish you continued sucess in your journey.

 

Ramona

 

 

-

" rlmftw " <rlmftw

<RawSeattle >

Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:11 PM

[RawSeattle] Re: Cholesterol/Life Science Course

 

 

> Nora:

>

> After I see your definition of social support I still say that is the

> weakest part of my " recovery. " I feel that I'm doing it alone; in

> fact, I feel more than alienated--I sometimes feel that I'm at war

> with smokers, drinkers, compulsive eaters--everybody who advocates

> the Western diet and sedentary lifestyle--which is EVERYBODY that I

> work with, live with and meet on the street here in Fort Worth!

>

> Perhaps your Life Science Course would be a good source of

> information, which is the first step, as you say, but right now I'm

> moving to a more sane place to live, I'm insecure in my job or maybe

> even having to look for another one, and feeling fairly insecure

> about the prospect of turning 60 and having to start a new life and a

> new career!

>

> I also feel powerless. That is, I fear that even with loads of good

> information and advice, I would still be trapped in the same age,

> financial and social limitations that I'm experiencing now!

>

> Can you tell me a little more about the course?

>

> Ron

 

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Thanks very much, Audrey, for understanding my frustration at

being " the only person in Ft. Worth who is intelligent enough to eat

raw fruits and vegetables. "

 

It seems that a sense of alienation makes me feel angry at " them, "

while the realization that other people also have my feelings helps

me to be more understanding and tolerant of other people.

 

Right now I realize that the reason for my post yesterday was that I

have no redeeming qualities, so the only way I can feel superior, or

even equal to others, is to run them down because they weigh more, or

have a higher cholesterol level than I do. This somehow compensates

me for the fact that they drive a new car and I drive an old one.

 

I should realize that anyone who wants to die from an overdose of

pizza certainly has that right. I should let them. What makes me

angry is that they are having fun eating pizza and I choose not to.

They get together in their office parties and social groups and smoke

and drink and binge, while my social life consists of going to the

produce department and stopping by the Deli section to have an herbal

tea by myself!

 

I need to get over stage one and get on to stage two of this

process. It's time to quit brooding over the food problems. Let the

food problems be solved. That is the easy part. I need to start

working on the social support phase of my program.

 

Ron McClure

 

RawSeattle , Audrey Walker <prettifemme88>

wrote:

> Ron,

>

> I understand how you feel, I'm from Dallas. There's a

> Whole Foods store in Ft Worth, isn't there? It sounds

> silly, but when I felt very isolated as a vegan, just

> going to Whole Foods made me feel a little better.

> Even though I didn't know any of the other shoppers or

> employees and would be too shy to just start a

> conversation with someone, I felt that at least I was

> under the same roof with people that were a little

> more progressive health wise than the rest of Dallas.

> You can find a lot of support online, do a search and

> find different raw websites, a lot of them have

> discussion boards with very supportive people. You

> might find other people in Dallas.

>

> It's really hard for me to stay raw when I go out to

> eat with friends too. Don't be too hard on yourself.

>

> Best of luck to you!

>

> Audrey

> --- rlmftw <rlmftw> wrote:

> > Nora:

> >

> > After I see your definition of social support I

> > still say that is the

> > weakest part of my " recovery. " I feel that I'm

> > doing it alone; in

> > fact, I feel more than alienated--I sometimes feel

> > that I'm at war

> > with smokers, drinkers, compulsive eaters--everybody

> > who advocates

> > the Western diet and sedentary lifestyle--which is

> > EVERYBODY that I

> > work with, live with and meet on the street here in

> > Fort Worth!

> >

> > Perhaps your Life Science Course would be a good

> > source of

> > information, which is the first step, as you say,

> > but right now I'm

> > moving to a more sane place to live, I'm insecure in

> > my job or maybe

> > even having to look for another one, and feeling

> > fairly insecure

> > about the prospect of turning 60 and having to start

> > a new life and a

> > new career!

> >

> > I also feel powerless. That is, I fear that even

> > with loads of good

> > information and advice, I would still be trapped in

> > the same age,

> > financial and social limitations that I'm

> > experiencing now!

> >

> > Can you tell me a little more about the course?

> >

> > Ron

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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Hi Ron,

Yeah, what Ramona said ... diligent effort. It won't happen quickly or easily.

What makes it a whole lot easier is being sure that what you're doing is

correct. That's where education comes in. If you have specific questions about

the course, let me know. I

only offered it because I happen to have it out of the notebooks now in

preparation for being copied for others.

 

We all here agree with you. It's too bad the world is so screwed up. As you

discover more about how nature intended humans to live (if nature can be said to

have " intentions " at all), it will become even more painfully obvious how

artificial, superficial,

unnatural and dysfunctional this failing experiment otherwise known as modern

civilization is. I don't know what to tell you about that, other than to say

that this is why most raw fooders are working on ways to secede from it to as

great an extent as possible

(i.e., moving to Costa Rica, etc.). In the meantime, we do what we can to hang

on to our health and our sanity, even if it means separating ourselves from the

masses and dealing with consequent feelings of isolation from time to time. It

really does help to

connect with others who are having similar experiences.

 

Best of luck and hang in there,

Nora

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Ramona:

 

Thank you for sharing your healing with me. I can feel the

difference already.

 

Ron

 

RawSeattle , " sturtevants " <sturtevants@c...>

wrote:

>

> Ron

>

> Please remember that it is through dilgent effort that change will

come about.

>

> When m family wishes to go to a restaraunt I usually eat before I

go if I know there is nothing there that I want or I bring my own

food. ( No guilt!)

>

> I use a plastic container that contains my favorite salad greens

and veggies. I cover this with a damp paper towel and put in a

butter knife and fork. This is placed in a plastic shopping bag with

an avocado and a smaller container of my homemade dressing.

>

> At the restaurant I order a salad of just greens ( sometimes two

salads if their sevings are small) and then I add my own fixings to

theirs. This way the waiter/waitress is not short a paying customer.

>

> I always bless my food before eating and I enjoy not only my food

but those around me.

>

> I hope this offers encouragement to you.

>

> Yes, it does take time to prepare a head of time but I have learned

to budget my time better so that I can better face the challenges of

being with others on my own terms. It is my choice to do so.

>

> Light and Love

>

> Ramona

>

> -

> rlmftw

> RawSeattle

> Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:44 AM

> [RawSeattle] Re: Cholesterol/Life Science Course

>

>

> Hi Nora,

>

> The most difficult part of the formula for health that you

mentioned

> yesterday, as far as I am concerned, is social support. I went

to

> lunch yesterday with some people from work. I told them I was on

a

> diet and they said the barbeque restaurant where we were headed

had

> lots of diet food. I wound up eating some salad dressing or

> condiments or something that really set me off. I had terrible

> trouble with cravings the rest of the day and finally succumed

last

> night.

>

> I'm feeling guilt, remorse and hypoglycemia today, which is

certainly

> not the health you spoke of.

>

> It gets tiring to start over, so I am getting more and more

fenatic

> each time it happens.

>

> Your Life Science Course sounds very interesting, but I don't

know if

> now is the right time for me.

>

> Thanks for your posts.

>

> Ron McClure

>

> RawSeattle , Nora Lenz <nmlenz@s...> wrote:

> > <<< " Is anyone concerned about his total cholesterol level? "

> >

> > Hi Ron,

> > Most raw fooders don't monitor their cholesterol levels. If

you

> eat the

> > right foods, get enough sleep, exercise, sunlight, fresh air

and

> social

> > support, everything takes care of itself. Disease is caused,

and

> if you take

> > away cause, there is no disease. I know it's hard to wrap your

> mind around

> > this at first -- we are all deeply programmed to believe

otherwise

> by the

> > medical establishment. All I can say is that it is profoundly

> liberating

> > when we do finally realize how much our health is truly within

our

> control.

> >

> > Group:

> > I have been asked to make a couple more copies of the " Life

> Science " course

> > that I offered last winter. Since I'm going to be making

copies

> anyway, if

> > anyone else is interested in getting one, please email me

privately

> within

> > the next two days. The cost is $175. The course is 20

Lessons,

> 2,300 pages

> > of extremely comprehensive health information designed to

prepare

> someone to

> > become a certified " Life Science " (natural health) consultant.

> I'll paste

> > the table of contents below so you can see what all it covers.

> > Nora

> >

> >

> > PART I: THE FOUNDATION OF LIFE

> > Intro to Life Science as a way of life

> > The Nature and Purpose of Disease

> > The Life Science System for Perfect Health, Part I

> > Program for Perfect Health, Part II

> > Intro to Nutritional Science

> > The Immense Wisdom and Providence of the Body

> > PART II: THE NUTRITIONAL BASES OF LIFE

> > Carbohydrates: Fuel for the Human Body

> > Proteins in the Diet

> > Vitamins: The Metabolic Wizards of Life Processes

> > The Role of Minerals in Human Nutrition

> > Fats in the Diet

> > The Role of Acid and Alkaline Substances

> > PART III: NONDIETARY FACTORS IN NUTRITION

> > Air, Sunshine and Natural Light Essential to Health

> > Water

> > The Roles of Rest and Sleep

> > Nutrition, the Mind and Emotions

> > Exercise and its Beneficient Role in Nutrition and Digestion

> > Ascertaining the Human Dietary Character, Part I

> > PART IV: HUMAN PHYSIOLOGY AND ANATOMY

> > Ascertaining the Human Dietary Character, Part II

> > The Physiology of Digestion

> > Symptoms During Dietary Transition

> > The Principles of Digestive Physiology

> > PART V: PROPER HANDLING, SERVING AND EATING OF FOODS

> > Application of Food Combining Principles

> > Selection and Storage of Most Wholesome Foods

> > Preparing and Serving Foods for Best Nourishment

> > The Elixir of Life: An Exploration of Food Condition, Body

> Conditions and

> > Eating Conditions that Beget Euphoric Health and Long Life

> > PART VI: FOODS NOT SUITED TO THE HUMAN DIET

> > Why Condiments Should Not be Included

> > Sugars

> > Refined and Processed Foods

> > Why We Should Not Eat Meat

> > Why We Should Not Eat Animal Foods

> > The Harmfulness of Beverages

> > PART VII: WHAT'S WRONG WITH JUNK FOODS

> > Junk Foods, A Case Study of Molasses

> > Junk Foods, A Case Study of Onions and Garlic

> > Fermented and Putrefied Foods

> > Sociological Benefits of Avoiding Junk Foods

> > PART VIII: HARMFUL PRACTICES TO AVOID

> > Food Supplements

> > The Dangers of Drug Medications

> > Smoking

> > Why Herbs Should Not Be Used

> > Cooking Our Food

> > Overating, Fasting Fanaticism and Diet Fanaticism

> > PART IX: FASTING

> > Intro to Fasting

> > When to Fast

> > How long and How Often to Fast

> > How to Preside over a Fast

> > How to Break a Fast

> > PART X: ECOLOGICAL FACTORS AND THEIR ROLE IN NUTRITION

> > The Organic Garden

> > Orcharding

> > Chemicals in the Household Environment

> > Chemicals in our air

> > Solar energy

> > Weather and our well being

> > PART XI: HEALTHY INFANTS AND CHILDREN

> > Prenatal care for better infant and maternal health and less

painful

> > childbirth

> > Normal Feeding of Infants

> > Weaning the Infant: Feeding of Children

> > Fasting children during disease

> > Teaching children about healthy living

> > PART XII: NATURAL HYGIENE -- A BETTER WAY OF LIVING

> > Self sufficiency and natural hygiene

> > Nutrition and the skin

> > Healthy eyes and teeth

> > Nutrition and the Hair

> > Stress management: The Life Science Approach

> > PART XIII: " CURING " AND MEDICAL CONCEPTS

> > There are no cures

> > Contagion, epidemics

> > How to withstand hospitalization with the least harm (what

> treatments to

> > accept/reject)

> > First aid and natural hygiene

> > Nutritional approach to overcoming addictions

> > PART XIV: COMMON ILLNESSES AND DISEASES AND HOW HYGIENIC LIVING

CAN

> HELP

> > Colds, Flus, upper respiratory ailments

> > Allergies, hay fever and other chronic diseases

> > Sugar and carbohydrate metabolism disease

> > Disease relating to the heart and circulatory system

> > Cancers, tumors

> > Ulcers

> > Gastrointestinal disease

> > Reproductive Problems

> > PART XV: SOCIAL RAMIFICATIONS OF HYGIENIC LIVING

> > Adjustment to hygienic living within the family

> > Socializing and natural hygiene

> > The adolescent and healthful living

> > Senior citizens living hygienically

> > PART XVI: GETTING TO KNOW OTHER DIETARY SCHOOLS

> > The basic four diet

> > The dangers of a high protein diet

> > The supplement approach tonutrition

> > Chiropractic, homeopathy and osteopathy

> > The vegetarian diet

> > Introducing clients to the need for lifestyle change

> > PART XVII: TEACHING HEALTH BUILDING PRACTICES

> > Psychology and practical aspects involved in making a change in

> lifestyle

> > Methods for Inducing a lifestyle change

> > Planning a transition to better living

> > Teaching your clients about fasting

> > PART XVIII: EXERCISE AND ITS ROLE IN HEALTHFUL LIVING

> > Exercise and children

> > Exercise in Sickness and recuperation

> > Corrective Exercises and their application

> > Devising a lifestyle that includes vigorous activity

> > Exercise programs for the healthy

> > PART XIX: TAKING CHARGE OF OUR DESTINY

> > Restructuring the way we produce our foods, part I & II

> > The human possibility: Harmonizing society culture and

lifestyle to

> save our

> > planet

> > PART XX: CLIENT RELATIONSHIPS

> > The Initial interview

> > The health practitioner and his legal responsibilities

> > Developing and administering a health counseling service

> > Inspiring and motivating the client

> > Methods for Generating Clients

>

>

>

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Nora:

 

I must be right on!! I'm planning to retire in Costa Rica. . . or

maybe Panama!! How did you know?

 

This therapy session has been great! Thank you all.

 

Have to get back to work. See ya later.

 

Ron

 

RawSeattle , Nora Lenz <nmlenz@s...> wrote:

> Hi Ron,

> Yeah, what Ramona said ... diligent effort. It won't happen

quickly or easily. What makes it a whole lot easier is being sure

that what you're doing is correct. That's where education comes in.

If you have specific questions about the course, let me know. I

> only offered it because I happen to have it out of the notebooks

now in preparation for being copied for others.

>

> We all here agree with you. It's too bad the world is so screwed

up. As you discover more about how nature intended humans to live

(if nature can be said to have " intentions " at all), it will become

even more painfully obvious how artificial, superficial,

> unnatural and dysfunctional this failing experiment otherwise known

as modern civilization is. I don't know what to tell you about

that, other than to say that this is why most raw fooders are working

on ways to secede from it to as great an extent as possible

> (i.e., moving to Costa Rica, etc.). In the meantime, we do what we

can to hang on to our health and our sanity, even if it means

separating ourselves from the masses and dealing with consequent

feelings of isolation from time to time. It really does help to

> connect with others who are having similar experiences.

>

> Best of luck and hang in there,

> Nora

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hi ron!

 

there you go! thats much better!!!! don't get me

wrong, i know exactly where you are coming from.

sometimes i still get upset when i see my friends

enjoying foods that i used to love. i still have an

emotional attachment to food. but the fact of the

matter is that my body simply doesnt tolerate less

than the best. i only became interested in raw because

i was very sick. i was a vegan before, but that was

for ethical reasons, not health reasons. i was a very

unhealthy vegan, eating lots of processed convenience

foods. i NEVER ate fresh fruit and veggies, i thought

i didnt like veggies at all. maybe i can motivate you

by telling you that even though i'm not 100% raw yet,

i have seen tremendous improvement in how i feel in

just a few months. i was having severe food allergy

reactions to everything i ate--i was always cold and

had this weird flushed feeling everytime i ate (i

still get it whenever i eat anything cooked), i had

headaches every day, severe muscle pains every day,

chronic fatique, depression, anxiety, and

irritability. at only 70-80% raw i am feeling much,

much better. i dont get the headaches and muscle pain

anymore, my outlook has improved and i have a lot more

energy. i know that as i get closer to 100% raw i'll

keep feeling better and better. when i'm tempted to

join my friends in eating something i know i shouldnt

i just remember how bad i used to feel and i know its

not worth it. you will feel better if you keep with

it. try not to feel deprived. look at this way of life

as a way to nurture yourself. think about the

wonderful abundance that nature has given us to

provide our bodies with the best nutrition. one thing

i did that helped me tremendously was to sit down and

write a list of fruits and veggies that i actually

really enjoyed eating. when i was done i was surprised

how long the list was. i had at least 20 things that i

could eat regularly and not feel deprived. to me,

eating fresh pineapple is better than candy! its so

delicious. so amazingly better than the gross stuff

that comes in a can that i used to have on pizza.

mango is also another favorite. i also really like

salads. there are really healthy things that i dont

like (kale, beets) that i dont stress about eating. i

focus on eating things that i really like. maybe later

i'll want to include more things in my diet simply for

their nutritional value, but for now, its really

important for me to enjoy what i eat. see if you can

borrow some books about eating raw from your library.

i was suprised how many there were at the library

here. you can find some used online too, at amazon.com

and half.com. keep going to all the different raw

websites. read the testomonials. they really help keep

me motivated. you can do this!!! :-)

 

 

--- rlmftw <rlmftw wrote:

> Thanks very much, Audrey, for understanding my

> frustration at

> being " the only person in Ft. Worth who is

> intelligent enough to eat

> raw fruits and vegetables. "

>

> It seems that a sense of alienation makes me feel

> angry at " them, "

> while the realization that other people also have my

> feelings helps

> me to be more understanding and tolerant of other

> people.

>

> Right now I realize that the reason for my post

> yesterday was that I

> have no redeeming qualities, so the only way I can

> feel superior, or

> even equal to others, is to run them down because

> they weigh more, or

> have a higher cholesterol level than I do. This

> somehow compensates

> me for the fact that they drive a new car and I

> drive an old one.

>

> I should realize that anyone who wants to die from

> an overdose of

> pizza certainly has that right. I should let them.

> What makes me

> angry is that they are having fun eating pizza and I

> choose not to.

> They get together in their office parties and social

> groups and smoke

> and drink and binge, while my social life consists

> of going to the

> produce department and stopping by the Deli section

> to have an herbal

> tea by myself!

>

> I need to get over stage one and get on to stage two

> of this

> process. It's time to quit brooding over the food

> problems. Let the

> food problems be solved. That is the easy part. I

> need to start

> working on the social support phase of my program.

>

> Ron McClure

>

> RawSeattle , Audrey Walker

> <prettifemme88>

> wrote:

> > Ron,

> >

> > I understand how you feel, I'm from Dallas.

> There's a

> > Whole Foods store in Ft Worth, isn't there? It

> sounds

> > silly, but when I felt very isolated as a vegan,

> just

> > going to Whole Foods made me feel a little better.

> > Even though I didn't know any of the other

> shoppers or

> > employees and would be too shy to just start a

> > conversation with someone, I felt that at least I

> was

> > under the same roof with people that were a little

> > more progressive health wise than the rest of

> Dallas.

> > You can find a lot of support online, do a search

> and

> > find different raw websites, a lot of them have

> > discussion boards with very supportive people. You

> > might find other people in Dallas.

> >

> > It's really hard for me to stay raw when I go out

> to

> > eat with friends too. Don't be too hard on

> yourself.

> >

> > Best of luck to you!

> >

> > Audrey

> > --- rlmftw <rlmftw> wrote:

> > > Nora:

> > >

> > > After I see your definition of social support I

> > > still say that is the

> > > weakest part of my " recovery. " I feel that I'm

> > > doing it alone; in

> > > fact, I feel more than alienated--I sometimes

> feel

> > > that I'm at war

> > > with smokers, drinkers, compulsive

> eaters--everybody

> > > who advocates

> > > the Western diet and sedentary lifestyle--which

> is

> > > EVERYBODY that I

> > > work with, live with and meet on the street here

> in

> > > Fort Worth!

> > >

> > > Perhaps your Life Science Course would be a good

> > > source of

> > > information, which is the first step, as you

> say,

> > > but right now I'm

> > > moving to a more sane place to live, I'm

> insecure in

> > > my job or maybe

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