Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Good afternoon, I've been biking alot lately and am concerned that I'm not getting enough fat to support an active lifesyle. As was mentioned earlier today I'm aware that young coconuts, avocadao and durian are fat-loaded. Olives, flaxseed are also good sources. However, my local sources of these things are limited. I was wondering if there are more common sources of fat. What are the best sources and in what form? I can get olive oil and flaxseed oil but usually don't, getting good olives from the Pittsburgh co-op instead (infrequently). I can get durian in Morgantown. Just for information olive and flaxseed oil are recommended for my blood type (A) but coconuts are considered harmful and avocados neutral. Out of state, but not out of mind, Nick Hein Morgantownw,wv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Hi Nick, One of the best sources of fat is hemp seeds. They have the perfect balance of essential fats. Flax seeds are great, but they don't have the essential fats in the correct ratio. I eat both flax seeds and hemp seeds every day. I also eat Udo's Choice Perfected Oil Blend, which also contains all essential fats in the correct ratio. Hemp seed oil is also a good source of fat. In addition to the essential fats, many people feel saturated fat is very important and one of the best raw vegan sources is coconut oil, aka coconut butter. There is a little controversy over whether the fats DHA and EPA are essential. EPA is found in the herb purslane. There are vegan supplements for DHA available. I have provided some links below. Have a great day! Mike Coconut oil-> http://www.mercola.com/2001/mar/24/coconut_oil.htm http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/coconut_oil.html http://www.davidwolfe.com/articles/coconut.shtml Udo's-> http://www.udoerasmus.com/products/oil_blend.htm Hemp seeds-> http://www.rawganique.com/Food.htm http://www.ec- securehost.com/TreeofLifeRejuvenationCenter/Raw_Foods.html http://www.eatraw.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=ER261 http://www.rawfood.com/cgi-bin/order/index.cgi? id=511121359599 & d=single & item_id=0841 & c=Organic_Food & sc=Raw_Nuts/Seeds & tc= Vegan DHA-> http://www.drfuhrman.com/dhapurity.html http://www.nutru.com/dha-omega.htm http://www.rawfood.com/cgi-bin/order/index.cgi? id=511121359599 & d=single & item_id=0694 & c=Supplements & sc=Miscellaneous & t c= RawSeattle , <nick.hein@v...> wrote: > Good afternoon, > I've been biking alot lately and am concerned that I'm not getting enough fat to support an active lifesyle. As was mentioned earlier today I'm aware that young coconuts, avocadao and durian are fat- loaded. Olives, flaxseed are also good sources. However, my local sources of these things are limited. I was wondering if there are more common sources of fat. What are the best sources and in what form? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Again, curious as to your current ratio of fat and specific reasons for feeling the way you do about inadequate amount/quality of fat. - nick.hein RawSeattle Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:15 PM [RawSeattle] Fats Good afternoon, I've been biking alot lately and am concerned that I'm not getting enough fat to support an active lifesyle. As was mentioned earlier today I'm aware that young coconuts, avocadao and durian are fat-loaded. Olives, flaxseed are also good sources. However, my local sources of these things are limited. I was wondering if there are more common sources of fat. What are the best sources and in what form? I can get olive oil and flaxseed oil but usually don't, getting good olives from the Pittsburgh co-op instead (infrequently). I can get durian in Morgantown. Just for information olive and flaxseed oil are recommended for my blood type (A) but coconuts are considered harmful and avocados neutral. Out of state, but not out of mind, Nick Hein Morgantownw,wv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Kevin, My current ratio of fats is nearly zero. During the day I was falling asleep at my desk, and I wasn't sleeping well at night. When I tried to make the 30 mile bike commute home from work tonite I barely got 5 miles. At that point I stopped at a produce market that I had been in a few times to see about getting an avocado. He didn't have any because not many people in the area eat them. It seemed then that he didn't have anything in the produce case that had any fat, so when I asked him he said I was right but he did have soy ice cream. After 2 pints of that I was as good as new and made it the rest of the way home with energy to spare. I hadn't realized before that point that soy had any fat and had been staying away from it because of the degree to which soy is usually hybridized. I may reduce my dependence on it if I find something better, but I needed it tonite. Soy is one of the only beans that is recommended for my blood type. I'd be interested in hearing what anyone has to say about soy in the diet based on their experience or first-hand anecdotes. As I downed the Soy Ice Cream (Tofutti brand) the store owner told me that he is a 7th day adventist and he runs the store to do God's work in supporting his church members and the entire community who want to embrace a sustainable diet. When a new customer came in he gave them a few things to try for free and offered to give them a free watermelon if they could guess the weight within 1 lb. It was quite heartwarming to see. Nickolas Hein Morgantown WV - KEVIN THURBER RawSeattle Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:40 PM Re: [RawSeattle] Fats Again, curious as to your current ratio of fat and specific reasons for feeling the way you do about inadequate amount/quality of fat. - nick.hein RawSeattle Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:15 PM [RawSeattle] Fats Good afternoon, I've been biking alot lately and am concerned that I'm not getting enough fat to support an active lifesyle. As was mentioned earlier today I'm aware that young coconuts, avocadao and durian are fat-loaded. Olives, flaxseed are also good sources. However, my local sources of these things are limited. I was wondering if there are more common sources of fat. What are the best sources and in what form? I can get olive oil and flaxseed oil but usually don't, getting good olives from the Pittsburgh co-op instead (infrequently). I can get durian in Morgantown. Just for information olive and flaxseed oil are recommended for my blood type (A) but coconuts are considered harmful and avocados neutral. Out of state, but not out of mind, Nick Hein Morgantownw,wv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Dr. Doug Graham is a sports trainer, raw for many, many years and he claims to consume NO fats. Maybe check with him. Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Shari, Thanks, I'll try him. He's somewhat local here too. Nickolas Hein Morgantown WV - Shari Viger RawSeattle Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:32 AM Re: [RawSeattle] Re: Fats Dr. Doug Graham is a sports trainer, raw for many, many years and he claims to consume NO fats. Maybe check with him. Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Interesting... I actually am more likely to feel drowsy after eating high fat meals, especially durian (I wonder how " clean " they are as they are not organic.) I have felt better while exercising after eating low fat meals. On lower fat diets I even feel more like exercising too! I understand without the large fat cells in the blood stream, there is more room for other nutrients, including oxygen to get to the body's tissues. Jeff > > My current ratio of fats is nearly zero. During the day I was > falling asleep at my desk, and I wasn't sleeping well at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Jeff, Sounds plausible. I was in an extremely depleted state and it may be something else in the Soy Ice Cream that rescued me for this short term need. Now I am focused on getting the best long-term result and keeping this from happening again. Nick > > Jeff Rogers <jeff > 2004/07/21 Wed AM 09:16:35 CDT > RawSeattle > Re: [RawSeattle] Fats > > Interesting... I actually am more likely to feel drowsy after eating > high fat meals, especially durian (I wonder how " clean " they are as > they are not organic.) I have felt better while exercising after eating > low fat meals. On lower fat diets I even feel more like exercising too! > I understand without the large fat cells in the blood stream, there is > more room for other nutrients, including oxygen to get to the body's > tissues. > > Jeff > > > > > > My current ratio of fats is nearly zero. During the day I was > > falling asleep at my desk, and I wasn't sleeping well at night. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 >> I was in an extremely depleted state and it may be something else in the Soy Ice Cream that rescued me for this short term need... That something else probably was sugar, possibly you had low blood sugar at that moment (hypoglycemia), this is when pancreas produced too much insulin. Do you remember if your hands were slightly shaking? The best way to cure this condition is not eat too sweet fruits in the morning such grapes or bananas, and whenever you eat something very sweet (dates, honey), eat something else after that. nick.hein wrote: Jeff, Sounds plausible. I was in an extremely depleted state and it may be something else in the Soy Ice Cream that rescued me for this short term need. Now I am focused on getting the best long-term result and keeping this from happening again. Nick > > Jeff Rogers <jeff > 2004/07/21 Wed AM 09:16:35 CDT > RawSeattle > Re: [RawSeattle] Fats > > Interesting... I actually am more likely to feel drowsy after eating > high fat meals, especially durian (I wonder how " clean " they are as > they are not organic.) I have felt better while exercising after eating > low fat meals. On lower fat diets I even feel more like exercising too! > I understand without the large fat cells in the blood stream, there is > more room for other nutrients, including oxygen to get to the body's > tissues. > > Jeff > > > > > > My current ratio of fats is nearly zero. During the day I was > > falling asleep at my desk, and I wasn't sleeping well at night. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Viola, This had been going on for several days since I got back from my 500 mile ride/vacation. I had been keeping my sugar intake low, believing that what I needed was fat, although because of the location I couldn't get that eithre. Thanks. Nick > > viola <Viola816 > 2004/07/21 Wed PM 12:50:07 CDT > RawSeattle > Re: Re: [RawSeattle] Fats > > > >> I was in an extremely depleted state and it may be something else in the Soy Ice Cream that rescued me for this short term need... > > That something else probably was sugar, possibly you had low blood sugar at that moment (hypoglycemia), this is when pancreas produced too much insulin. Do you remember if your hands were slightly shaking? The best way to cure this condition is not eat too sweet fruits in the morning such grapes or bananas, and whenever you eat something very sweet (dates, honey), eat something else after that. > > > > > > nick.hein wrote: > Jeff, > Sounds plausible. I was in an extremely depleted state and it may be something else in the Soy Ice Cream that rescued me for this short term need. Now I am focused on getting the best long-term result and keeping this from happening again. > > Nick > > > > > Jeff Rogers <jeff > > 2004/07/21 Wed AM 09:16:35 CDT > > RawSeattle > > Re: [RawSeattle] Fats > > > > Interesting... I actually am more likely to feel drowsy after eating > > high fat meals, especially durian (I wonder how " clean " they are as > > they are not organic.) I have felt better while exercising after eating > > low fat meals. On lower fat diets I even feel more like exercising too! > > I understand without the large fat cells in the blood stream, there is > > more room for other nutrients, including oxygen to get to the body's > > tissues. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > My current ratio of fats is nearly zero. During the day I was > > > falling asleep at my desk, and I wasn't sleeping well at night. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 I thought our body can convert sugar to fat and fat to sugar? What is that location you are in, anyway? Sorry if you already mentioned that, i missed that somehow. nick.hein wrote:Viola, This had been going on for several days since I got back from my 500 mile ride/vacation. I had been keeping my sugar intake low, believing that what I needed was fat, although because of the location I couldn't get that eithre. Thanks. Nick > > viola <Viola816 > 2004/07/21 Wed PM 12:50:07 CDT > RawSeattle > Re: Re: [RawSeattle] Fats > > > >> I was in an extremely depleted state and it may be something else in the Soy Ice Cream that rescued me for this short term need... > > That something else probably was sugar, possibly you had low blood sugar at that moment (hypoglycemia), this is when pancreas produced too much insulin. Do you remember if your hands were slightly shaking? The best way to cure this condition is not eat too sweet fruits in the morning such grapes or bananas, and whenever you eat something very sweet (dates, honey), eat something else after that. > > > > > > nick.hein wrote: > Jeff, > Sounds plausible. I was in an extremely depleted state and it may be something else in the Soy Ice Cream that rescued me for this short term need. Now I am focused on getting the best long-term result and keeping this from happening again. > > Nick > > > > > Jeff Rogers <jeff > > 2004/07/21 Wed AM 09:16:35 CDT > > RawSeattle > > Re: [RawSeattle] Fats > > > > Interesting... I actually am more likely to feel drowsy after eating > > high fat meals, especially durian (I wonder how " clean " they are as > > they are not organic.) I have felt better while exercising after eating > > low fat meals. On lower fat diets I even feel more like exercising too! > > I understand without the large fat cells in the blood stream, there is > > more room for other nutrients, including oxygen to get to the body's > > tissues. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > My current ratio of fats is nearly zero. During the day I was > > > falling asleep at my desk, and I wasn't sleeping well at night. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Viola, You are correct, but it takes a lot of work and that can be enough to wear out your kidneys prematurely. This happens to athletes who only recharge from simple sugars. I'm in Morgantown, WV. I usually put that in my signature line - forgot this time. Best wishes. Nick Hein Morgantown, WV > > viola <Viola816 > 2004/07/21 Wed PM 01:44:01 CDT > RawSeattle > Re: Re: [RawSeattle] Fats > > > I thought our body can convert sugar to fat and fat to sugar? > > > > What is that location you are in, anyway? Sorry if you already mentioned that, i missed that somehow. > > > nick.hein wrote:Viola, > This had been going on for several days since I got back from my 500 mile ride/vacation. I had been keeping my sugar intake low, believing that what I needed was fat, although because of the location I couldn't get that eithre. > > Thanks. > Nick > > > > > viola <Viola816 > > 2004/07/21 Wed PM 12:50:07 CDT > > RawSeattle > > Re: Re: [RawSeattle] Fats > > > > > > >> I was in an extremely depleted state and it may be something else in the Soy Ice Cream that rescued me for this short term need... > > > > That something else probably was sugar, possibly you had low blood sugar at that moment (hypoglycemia), this is when pancreas produced too much insulin. Do you remember if your hands were slightly shaking? The best way to cure this condition is not eat too sweet fruits in the morning such grapes or bananas, and whenever you eat something very sweet (dates, honey), eat something else after that. > > > > > > > > > > > > nick.hein wrote: > > Jeff, > > Sounds plausible. I was in an extremely depleted state and it may be something else in the Soy Ice Cream that rescued me for this short term need. Now I am focused on getting the best long-term result and keeping this from happening again. > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > Jeff Rogers <jeff > > > 2004/07/21 Wed AM 09:16:35 CDT > > > RawSeattle > > > Re: [RawSeattle] Fats > > > > > > Interesting... I actually am more likely to feel drowsy after eating > > > high fat meals, especially durian (I wonder how " clean " they are as > > > they are not organic.) I have felt better while exercising after eating > > > low fat meals. On lower fat diets I even feel more like exercising too! > > > I understand without the large fat cells in the blood stream, there is > > > more room for other nutrients, including oxygen to get to the body's > > > tissues. > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My current ratio of fats is nearly zero. During the day I was > > > > falling asleep at my desk, and I wasn't sleeping well at night. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Nick, 500 mile ride/vacation, my goodness, this is a lot! Considering that Green Lake is 2.8 miles, you made 178 loops! Did you ever think that you might over exercise, and this is why you couldn't sleep? In WV, they don't sell raw nuts, avocados and coconuts? This stuff doesn't grow in Washington state either, but every grocery store has it. nick.hein wrote: Viola, You are correct, but it takes a lot of work and that can be enough to wear out your kidneys prematurely. This happens to athletes who only recharge from simple sugars. I'm in Morgantown, WV. I usually put that in my signature line - forgot this time. Best wishes. Nick Hein Morgantown, WV Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Viola, Come visit sometime, you'll see what we have. Raw nuts and avocados are available at our (excellent) small co-op. Coconuts are not (even in Pittsburgh I can't get 'em in organic). Same with durian. I have been eating everything I can get raw from the co-op but they are (mostly) indifferent about the raw diet and don't have enough to choose from. I've been eating avocados and although they give me great skin, they haven't restored the raw " buzz " I used to have. And no, 500 miles in a week isn't over-exercising for me. I worked my way up to it commuting 30-60 miles/day and rested several days before and afterwards. Nickolas Hein Morgantown WV - viola RawSeattle Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:20 PM Re: Re: [RawSeattle] Fats Nick, 500 mile ride/vacation, my goodness, this is a lot! Considering that Green Lake is 2.8 miles, you made 178 loops! Did you ever think that you might over exercise, and this is why you couldn't sleep? In WV, they don't sell raw nuts, avocados and coconuts? This stuff doesn't grow in Washington state either, but every grocery store has it. nick.hein wrote: Viola, You are correct, but it takes a lot of work and that can be enough to wear out your kidneys prematurely. This happens to athletes who only recharge from simple sugars. I'm in Morgantown, WV. I usually put that in my signature line - forgot this time. Best wishes. Nick Hein Morgantown, WV Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Elchanan wrote: > - Fats provide additional fuel. When digested and transformed into > structured body fat, fatty components serve as insulators in various > capacities: thermal, electrical, etc. One thing that you have neglected to say in your comments on facts is that the body uses fats to form the walls of the cells which it creates 24/7. When good fats are not available, the body will use whatever *is* available. If the body does not receive enough good fats (we are talking organic, natural, included-in-vegetables fats), the body will make the cell walls from whatever it can scavenge. The body *will* attempt to survive as it has been built to do. It has been suggested that the " new " diseases which we are witnessing today may well be the result of high fat diets, *in which the " high fat " comes from fats the body cannot use (transfats, hydrogenated fats), which the body uses, in the absence of appropriate fats, to create cell walls. Similarly, if the body is starved of fats which it can use to create strong, healthy cell walls, it will do the best it can. In this way, even strict vegans and raw foodists can run into trouble. Natural fats, such as those found in avocados and raw nuts and seeds are an important part of the human diet. Not only do they help the body build healthy cells, they also provide a sensation of fullness, and they tend to satisfy whatever cravings might be experience. Strict restriction of fats (that is, naturally occurring fats) can cause disease, overeating, skin problems, and, at an extreme, disorientation. Margaret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 On Tuesday 04 September 2007 03:20, Margaret Gamez wrote: > When good fats are not available, the body will > use whatever *is* available. If the body does not receive > enough good fats (we are talking organic, natural, > included-in-vegetables fats), the body will make the > cell walls from whatever it can scavenge. from an article " Obesity - The new world epdemic " by David Zeoli, ND, LAc in issue 13/4 of Nexus, sadly not available on line. " If the proper fat molucules are not available in the bloodstream, the body will insert whatever fat molecules are available " . > Natural fats, such as those found in avocados and raw nuts and seeds > are an important part of the human diet. How about coconut milk/oil? http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/coconuts1.html neal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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