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Good afternoon,

I've been biking alot lately and am concerned that I'm not getting enough fat to

support an active lifesyle. As was mentioned earlier today I'm aware that young

coconuts, avocadao and durian are fat-loaded. Olives, flaxseed are also good

sources. However, my local sources of these things are limited. I was

wondering if there are more common sources of fat. What are the best sources

and in what form? I can get olive oil and flaxseed oil but usually don't,

getting good olives from the Pittsburgh co-op instead (infrequently). I can get

durian in Morgantown.

 

Just for information olive and flaxseed oil are recommended for my blood type

(A) but coconuts are considered harmful and avocados neutral.

 

Out of state, but not out of mind,

Nick Hein

Morgantownw,wv

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Hi Nick,

 

One of the best sources of fat is hemp seeds. They have the

perfect balance of essential fats. Flax seeds are great, but they

don't have the essential fats in the correct ratio. I eat both flax

seeds and hemp seeds every day. I also eat Udo's Choice Perfected Oil

Blend, which also contains all essential fats in the correct ratio.

Hemp seed oil is also a good source of fat. In addition to the

essential fats, many people feel saturated fat is very important and

one of the best raw vegan sources is coconut oil, aka coconut butter.

There is a little controversy over whether the fats DHA and EPA are

essential. EPA is found in the herb purslane. There are vegan

supplements for DHA available. I have provided some links below. Have

a great day!

 

Mike

 

Coconut oil-> http://www.mercola.com/2001/mar/24/coconut_oil.htm

http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/coconut_oil.html

http://www.davidwolfe.com/articles/coconut.shtml

 

Udo's-> http://www.udoerasmus.com/products/oil_blend.htm

 

Hemp seeds-> http://www.rawganique.com/Food.htm

 

http://www.ec-

securehost.com/TreeofLifeRejuvenationCenter/Raw_Foods.html

 

http://www.eatraw.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=ER261

 

http://www.rawfood.com/cgi-bin/order/index.cgi?

id=511121359599 & d=single & item_id=0841 & c=Organic_Food & sc=Raw_Nuts/Seeds

& tc=

 

Vegan DHA-> http://www.drfuhrman.com/dhapurity.html

http://www.nutru.com/dha-omega.htm

 

http://www.rawfood.com/cgi-bin/order/index.cgi?

id=511121359599 & d=single & item_id=0694 & c=Supplements & sc=Miscellaneous & t

c=

 

RawSeattle , <nick.hein@v...> wrote:

> Good afternoon,

> I've been biking alot lately and am concerned that I'm not getting

enough fat to support an active lifesyle. As was mentioned earlier

today I'm aware that young coconuts, avocadao and durian are fat-

loaded. Olives, flaxseed are also good sources. However, my local

sources of these things are limited. I was wondering if there are

more common sources of fat. What are the best sources and in what

form?

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Again, curious as to your current ratio of fat and specific reasons for feeling

the way you do about inadequate amount/quality of fat.

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nick.hein

RawSeattle

Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:15 PM

[RawSeattle] Fats

 

 

Good afternoon,

I've been biking alot lately and am concerned that I'm not getting enough fat

to support an active lifesyle. As was mentioned earlier today I'm aware that

young coconuts, avocadao and durian are fat-loaded. Olives, flaxseed are also

good sources. However, my local sources of these things are limited. I was

wondering if there are more common sources of fat. What are the best sources

and in what form? I can get olive oil and flaxseed oil but usually don't,

getting good olives from the Pittsburgh co-op instead (infrequently). I can get

durian in Morgantown.

 

Just for information olive and flaxseed oil are recommended for my blood type

(A) but coconuts are considered harmful and avocados neutral.

 

Out of state, but not out of mind,

Nick Hein

Morgantownw,wv

 

 

 

 

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Kevin,

My current ratio of fats is nearly zero. During the day I was falling asleep

at my desk, and I wasn't sleeping well at night. When I tried to make the 30

mile bike commute home from work tonite I barely got 5 miles. At that point I

stopped at a produce market that I had been in a few times to see about getting

an avocado. He didn't have any because not many people in the area eat them.

It seemed then that he didn't have anything in the produce case that had any

fat, so when I asked him he said I was right but he did have soy ice cream.

After 2 pints of that I was as good as new and made it the rest of the way home

with energy to spare. I hadn't realized before that point that soy had any fat

and had been staying away from it because of the degree to which soy is usually

hybridized. I may reduce my dependence on it if I find something better, but I

needed it tonite.

 

Soy is one of the only beans that is recommended for my blood type. I'd be

interested in hearing what anyone has to say about soy in the diet based on

their experience or first-hand anecdotes.

 

As I downed the Soy Ice Cream (Tofutti brand) the store owner told me that he is

a 7th day adventist and he runs the store to do God's work in supporting his

church members and the entire community who want to embrace a sustainable diet.

When a new customer came in he gave them a few things to try for free and

offered to give them a free watermelon if they could guess the weight within 1

lb. It was quite heartwarming to see.

 

Nickolas Hein

Morgantown WV

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KEVIN THURBER

RawSeattle

Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:40 PM

Re: [RawSeattle] Fats

 

 

Again, curious as to your current ratio of fat and specific reasons for

feeling the way you do about inadequate amount/quality of fat.

-

nick.hein

RawSeattle

Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:15 PM

[RawSeattle] Fats

 

 

Good afternoon,

I've been biking alot lately and am concerned that I'm not getting enough

fat to support an active lifesyle. As was mentioned earlier today I'm aware

that young coconuts, avocadao and durian are fat-loaded. Olives, flaxseed are

also good sources. However, my local sources of these things are limited. I

was wondering if there are more common sources of fat. What are the best

sources and in what form? I can get olive oil and flaxseed oil but usually

don't, getting good olives from the Pittsburgh co-op instead (infrequently). I

can get durian in Morgantown.

 

Just for information olive and flaxseed oil are recommended for my blood

type (A) but coconuts are considered harmful and avocados neutral.

 

Out of state, but not out of mind,

Nick Hein

Morgantownw,wv

 

 

 

 

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Shari,

Thanks, I'll try him. He's somewhat local here too.

 

Nickolas Hein

Morgantown WV

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Shari Viger

RawSeattle

Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:32 AM

Re: [RawSeattle] Re: Fats

 

 

Dr. Doug Graham is a sports trainer, raw for many, many years and he claims to

consume NO fats. Maybe check with him.

 

Shari

 

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Interesting... I actually am more likely to feel drowsy after eating

high fat meals, especially durian (I wonder how " clean " they are as

they are not organic.) I have felt better while exercising after eating

low fat meals. On lower fat diets I even feel more like exercising too!

I understand without the large fat cells in the blood stream, there is

more room for other nutrients, including oxygen to get to the body's

tissues.

 

Jeff

 

>

 

> My current ratio of fats is nearly zero.    During the day I was

> falling asleep at my desk, and I wasn't sleeping well at night.

 

 

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Jeff,

Sounds plausible. I was in an extremely depleted state and it may be something

else in the Soy Ice Cream that rescued me for this short term need. Now I am

focused on getting the best long-term result and keeping this from happening

again.

 

Nick

 

>

> Jeff Rogers <jeff

> 2004/07/21 Wed AM 09:16:35 CDT

> RawSeattle

> Re: [RawSeattle] Fats

>

> Interesting... I actually am more likely to feel drowsy after eating

> high fat meals, especially durian (I wonder how " clean " they are as

> they are not organic.) I have felt better while exercising after eating

> low fat meals. On lower fat diets I even feel more like exercising too!

> I understand without the large fat cells in the blood stream, there is

> more room for other nutrients, including oxygen to get to the body's

> tissues.

>

> Jeff

>

> >

>

> > My current ratio of fats is nearly zero.    During the day I was

> > falling asleep at my desk, and I wasn't sleeping well at night.

>

>

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>> I was in an extremely depleted state and it may be something else in the Soy

Ice Cream that rescued me for this short term need...

 

That something else probably was sugar, possibly you had low blood sugar at that

moment (hypoglycemia), this is when pancreas produced too much insulin. Do you

remember if your hands were slightly shaking? The best way to cure this

condition is not eat too sweet fruits in the morning such grapes or bananas, and

whenever you eat something very sweet (dates, honey), eat something else after

that.

 

 

 

 

 

nick.hein wrote:

Jeff,

Sounds plausible. I was in an extremely depleted state and it may be something

else in the Soy Ice Cream that rescued me for this short term need. Now I am

focused on getting the best long-term result and keeping this from happening

again.

 

Nick

 

>

> Jeff Rogers <jeff

> 2004/07/21 Wed AM 09:16:35 CDT

> RawSeattle

> Re: [RawSeattle] Fats

>

> Interesting... I actually am more likely to feel drowsy after eating

> high fat meals, especially durian (I wonder how " clean " they are as

> they are not organic.) I have felt better while exercising after eating

> low fat meals. On lower fat diets I even feel more like exercising too!

> I understand without the large fat cells in the blood stream, there is

> more room for other nutrients, including oxygen to get to the body's

> tissues.

>

> Jeff

>

> >

>

> > My current ratio of fats is nearly zero.    During the day I was

> > falling asleep at my desk, and I wasn't sleeping well at night.

>

>

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Viola,

This had been going on for several days since I got back from my 500 mile

ride/vacation. I had been keeping my sugar intake low, believing that what I

needed was fat, although because of the location I couldn't get that eithre.

 

Thanks.

Nick

 

>

> viola <Viola816

> 2004/07/21 Wed PM 12:50:07 CDT

> RawSeattle

> Re: Re: [RawSeattle] Fats

>

>

> >> I was in an extremely depleted state and it may be something else in the

Soy Ice Cream that rescued me for this short term need...

>

> That something else probably was sugar, possibly you had low blood sugar at

that moment (hypoglycemia), this is when pancreas produced too much insulin. Do

you remember if your hands were slightly shaking? The best way to cure this

condition is not eat too sweet fruits in the morning such grapes or bananas, and

whenever you eat something very sweet (dates, honey), eat something else after

that.

>

>

>

>

>

> nick.hein wrote:

> Jeff,

> Sounds plausible. I was in an extremely depleted state and it may be

something else in the Soy Ice Cream that rescued me for this short term need.

Now I am focused on getting the best long-term result and keeping this from

happening again.

>

> Nick

>

> >

> > Jeff Rogers <jeff

> > 2004/07/21 Wed AM 09:16:35 CDT

> > RawSeattle

> > Re: [RawSeattle] Fats

> >

> > Interesting... I actually am more likely to feel drowsy after eating

> > high fat meals, especially durian (I wonder how " clean " they are as

> > they are not organic.) I have felt better while exercising after eating

> > low fat meals. On lower fat diets I even feel more like exercising too!

> > I understand without the large fat cells in the blood stream, there is

> > more room for other nutrients, including oxygen to get to the body's

> > tissues.

> >

> > Jeff

> >

> > >

> >

> > > My current ratio of fats is nearly zero.    During the day I was

> > > falling asleep at my desk, and I wasn't sleeping well at night.

> >

> >

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I thought our body can convert sugar to fat and fat to sugar?

 

 

 

What is that location you are in, anyway? Sorry if you already mentioned that, i

missed that somehow.

 

 

nick.hein wrote:Viola,

This had been going on for several days since I got back from my 500 mile

ride/vacation. I had been keeping my sugar intake low, believing that what I

needed was fat, although because of the location I couldn't get that eithre.

 

Thanks.

Nick

 

>

> viola <Viola816

> 2004/07/21 Wed PM 12:50:07 CDT

> RawSeattle

> Re: Re: [RawSeattle] Fats

>

>

> >> I was in an extremely depleted state and it may be something else in the

Soy Ice Cream that rescued me for this short term need...

>

> That something else probably was sugar, possibly you had low blood sugar at

that moment (hypoglycemia), this is when pancreas produced too much insulin. Do

you remember if your hands were slightly shaking? The best way to cure this

condition is not eat too sweet fruits in the morning such grapes or bananas, and

whenever you eat something very sweet (dates, honey), eat something else after

that.

>

>

>

>

>

> nick.hein wrote:

> Jeff,

> Sounds plausible. I was in an extremely depleted state and it may be

something else in the Soy Ice Cream that rescued me for this short term need.

Now I am focused on getting the best long-term result and keeping this from

happening again.

>

> Nick

>

> >

> > Jeff Rogers <jeff

> > 2004/07/21 Wed AM 09:16:35 CDT

> > RawSeattle

> > Re: [RawSeattle] Fats

> >

> > Interesting... I actually am more likely to feel drowsy after eating

> > high fat meals, especially durian (I wonder how " clean " they are as

> > they are not organic.) I have felt better while exercising after eating

> > low fat meals. On lower fat diets I even feel more like exercising too!

> > I understand without the large fat cells in the blood stream, there is

> > more room for other nutrients, including oxygen to get to the body's

> > tissues.

> >

> > Jeff

> >

> > >

> >

> > > My current ratio of fats is nearly zero.    During the day I was

> > > falling asleep at my desk, and I wasn't sleeping well at night.

> >

> >

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Viola,

You are correct, but it takes a lot of work and that can be enough to wear out

your kidneys prematurely. This happens to athletes who only recharge from

simple sugars.

 

I'm in Morgantown, WV. I usually put that in my signature line - forgot this

time.

 

Best wishes.

Nick Hein

Morgantown, WV

 

>

> viola <Viola816

> 2004/07/21 Wed PM 01:44:01 CDT

> RawSeattle

> Re: Re: [RawSeattle] Fats

>

>

> I thought our body can convert sugar to fat and fat to sugar?

>

>

>

> What is that location you are in, anyway? Sorry if you already mentioned that,

i missed that somehow.

>

>

> nick.hein wrote:Viola,

> This had been going on for several days since I got back from my 500 mile

ride/vacation. I had been keeping my sugar intake low, believing that what I

needed was fat, although because of the location I couldn't get that eithre.

>

> Thanks.

> Nick

>

> >

> > viola <Viola816

> > 2004/07/21 Wed PM 12:50:07 CDT

> > RawSeattle

> > Re: Re: [RawSeattle] Fats

> >

> >

> > >> I was in an extremely depleted state and it may be something else in the

Soy Ice Cream that rescued me for this short term need...

> >

> > That something else probably was sugar, possibly you had low blood sugar at

that moment (hypoglycemia), this is when pancreas produced too much insulin. Do

you remember if your hands were slightly shaking? The best way to cure this

condition is not eat too sweet fruits in the morning such grapes or bananas, and

whenever you eat something very sweet (dates, honey), eat something else after

that.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > nick.hein wrote:

> > Jeff,

> > Sounds plausible. I was in an extremely depleted state and it may be

something else in the Soy Ice Cream that rescued me for this short term need.

Now I am focused on getting the best long-term result and keeping this from

happening again.

> >

> > Nick

> >

> > >

> > > Jeff Rogers <jeff

> > > 2004/07/21 Wed AM 09:16:35 CDT

> > > RawSeattle

> > > Re: [RawSeattle] Fats

> > >

> > > Interesting... I actually am more likely to feel drowsy after eating

> > > high fat meals, especially durian (I wonder how " clean " they are as

> > > they are not organic.) I have felt better while exercising after eating

> > > low fat meals. On lower fat diets I even feel more like exercising too!

> > > I understand without the large fat cells in the blood stream, there is

> > > more room for other nutrients, including oxygen to get to the body's

> > > tissues.

> > >

> > > Jeff

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > My current ratio of fats is nearly zero.    During the day I was

> > > > falling asleep at my desk, and I wasn't sleeping well at night.

> > >

> > >

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Nick, 500 mile ride/vacation, my goodness, this is a lot! Considering that Green

Lake is 2.8 miles, you made 178 loops! Did you ever think that you might over

exercise, and this is why you couldn't sleep?

 

 

 

In WV, they don't sell raw nuts, avocados and coconuts?

 

This stuff doesn't grow in Washington state either, but every grocery store has

it.

 

 

nick.hein wrote:

 

Viola,

You are correct, but it takes a lot of work and that can be enough to wear out

your kidneys prematurely. This happens to athletes who only recharge from

simple sugars.

 

I'm in Morgantown, WV. I usually put that in my signature line - forgot this

time.

 

Best wishes.

Nick Hein

Morgantown, WV

 

 

 

 

 

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Viola,

Come visit sometime, you'll see what we have. Raw nuts and avocados are

available at our (excellent) small co-op. Coconuts are not (even in Pittsburgh

I can't get 'em in organic). Same with durian. I have been eating everything I

can get raw from the co-op but they are (mostly) indifferent about the raw diet

and don't have enough to choose from. I've been eating avocados and although

they give me great skin, they haven't restored the raw " buzz " I used to have.

 

And no, 500 miles in a week isn't over-exercising for me. I worked my way up to

it commuting 30-60 miles/day and rested several days before and afterwards.

 

Nickolas Hein

Morgantown WV

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viola

RawSeattle

Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:20 PM

Re: Re: [RawSeattle] Fats

 

 

 

Nick, 500 mile ride/vacation, my goodness, this is a lot! Considering that

Green Lake is 2.8 miles, you made 178 loops! Did you ever think that you might

over exercise, and this is why you couldn't sleep?

 

 

 

In WV, they don't sell raw nuts, avocados and coconuts?

 

This stuff doesn't grow in Washington state either, but every grocery store

has it.

 

 

nick.hein wrote:

 

Viola,

You are correct, but it takes a lot of work and that can be enough to wear out

your kidneys prematurely. This happens to athletes who only recharge from

simple sugars.

 

I'm in Morgantown, WV. I usually put that in my signature line - forgot this

time.

 

Best wishes.

Nick Hein

Morgantown, WV

 

 

 

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Elchanan wrote:

 

> - Fats provide additional fuel. When digested and transformed into

> structured body fat, fatty components serve as insulators in various

> capacities: thermal, electrical, etc.

 

One thing that you have neglected to say in your comments on facts is

that the body uses fats to form the walls of the cells which it

creates 24/7. When good fats are not available, the body will use

whatever *is* available. If the body does not receive enough good

fats (we are talking organic, natural, included-in-vegetables fats),

the body will make the cell walls from whatever it can scavenge. The

body *will* attempt to survive as it has been built to do.

 

It has been suggested that the " new " diseases which we are witnessing

today may well be the result of high fat diets, *in which the " high

fat " comes from fats the body cannot use (transfats, hydrogenated

fats), which the body uses, in the absence of appropriate fats, to

create cell walls. Similarly, if the body is starved of fats which it

can use to create strong, healthy cell walls, it will do the best it

can. In this way, even strict vegans and raw foodists can run into

trouble.

 

Natural fats, such as those found in avocados and raw nuts and seeds

are an important part of the human diet. Not only do they help the

body build healthy cells, they also provide a sensation of fullness,

and they tend to satisfy whatever cravings might be experience.

 

Strict restriction of fats (that is, naturally occurring fats) can

cause disease, overeating, skin problems, and, at an extreme,

disorientation.

 

Margaret

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On Tuesday 04 September 2007 03:20, Margaret Gamez wrote:

> When good fats are not available, the body will

> use whatever *is* available.  If the body does not receive

> enough good fats (we are talking organic, natural,

> included-in-vegetables fats), the body will make the

> cell walls from whatever it can scavenge.

 

from an article " Obesity - The new world epdemic " by David Zeoli, ND, LAc

in issue 13/4 of Nexus, sadly not available on line.

 

" If the proper fat molucules are not available in the bloodstream, the body

will insert whatever fat molecules are available " .

 

> Natural fats, such as those found in avocados and raw nuts and seeds

> are an important part of the human diet.

 

How about coconut milk/oil?

 

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/coconuts1.html

 

neal.

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