Guest guest Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 I have two cats and am considering having them go vegan. Does any one have experience with this. Is there anywhere in San Francisco to buy vegan cat food? Does Rainbow carry it? Does anyone make their own? etc. etc. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 > I have two cats and am considering having them go vegan. Does any one > have experience with this. Is there anywhere in San Francisco to buy > vegan cat food? Does Rainbow carry it? Does anyone make their own? > etc. etc. > Lynn The topic of vegan cats has been discussed on the list before. If you have a ID, you can search the message archives to see the previous discussion. Just sign in to and go to sfBAVeg/ and put your keywords in the search box Also, I guess you didn't go to the recent World Veg Day and listen to the presentation on this topic then.. Check out http://vegancats.com/ Freedom for Animals has a book club discussion, and this is the next book that they're reading. FreedomforAnimals/ Cheers, Tammy Bay Area Vegetarians.... Be-a-Veg with us! http://www.BayAreaVeg.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * FREE vegan info kit: http://www.veganoutreach.org/starterpack/free-vsp.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 Since you are still just " considering " the issue, consider this: If you could ask your cats if they want to be vegan, would they say yes? There is a reason that they have their alimentary tract, razor sharp teeth, and retractile sharp claws. They are hunters by nature. --Brian - lcifor sfBAVeg Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:29 AM [sfBAVeg] vegan cats I have two cats and am considering having them go vegan. Does any one have experience with this. Is there anywhere in San Francisco to buy vegan cat food? Does Rainbow carry it? Does anyone make their own? etc. etc. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 One should also consider the contribution to the meat industry, and whether, if you asked all those cows how they would like to spend their lives, they would choose to be factory farmed, fed their own species in their feed, pumped full of hormones and antibiotics and then slit open to bleed while they are still alive and hanging from a meat hook. If you could tell your cat how other animals are treated so that they can have their usual cat food, and then ask them if they want to be vegan, would they say yes? Imagine asking children what they would eat? Think they would choose healthy foods at all times? Then, why should we " force " healthy food choices on them? But, we do, don't we? Veterinarians are busy with cat medical care. These are cats fed the typical cat food we see in stores. Cats get cancer & other illnesses that usually generate studies when humans get them. Why shouldnt' we consider that cat food may not be the best thing for cats? It's really not a simple question. But it is a good one to consider. Reading the book " Obligate Carnivore " answers a myriad of moral and nutritional questions. It helped me consider at least introducing my cats to vegan cat food, mixing it with what they are used to. The cat food is made with nutrients the cats need. Ask me in a couple months how that is going........ Marcy - " Brian Jensen " <live2cycle <sfBAVeg > Saturday, October 11, 2003 7:10 PM Re: [sfBAVeg] vegan cats > Since you are still just " considering " the issue, consider this: If you could ask your cats if they want to be vegan, would they say yes? There is a reason that they have their alimentary tract, razor sharp teeth, and retractile sharp claws. They are hunters by nature. > > --Brian > > - > lcifor > sfBAVeg > Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:29 AM > [sfBAVeg] vegan cats > > > I have two cats and am considering having them go vegan. Does any one > have experience with this. Is there anywhere in San Francisco to buy > vegan cat food? Does Rainbow carry it? Does anyone make their own? > etc. etc. > Lynn > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 > If you could tell your cat how other animals are treated > so that they can have their usual cat food, and then ask > them if they want to be vegan, would they say yes? Pure conjecture obviously, but most of the cats I know would not say yes. Most of the cats that I know are merciless killers. Their owners tell me that they often " play " with their wounded and suffering prey before killing them. That is, if they decide to kill them. Many times they'll just leave the animal to suffer and die on it's own. Quite often a reasonably helpless bird or rodent is consumed beneath the cat owners bed, crunching on the skull like it was a Ritz cracker. Assuming that animals share our values is ridiculous. > Imagine asking children what they would eat? Think they > would choose healthy foods at all times? Then, why should > we " force " healthy food choices on them? But, we do, don't we? Puh-leeez! Children are not pets. Pets are not children. Anybody who thinks pets and children are equivalent has a serious problem. > Veterinarians are busy with cat medical care. These are > cats fed the typical cat food we see in stores. Cats get > cancer & other illnesses that usually generate studies > when humans get them. Why shouldnt' we consider that cat > food may not be the best thing for cats? Absolutely, we should consider that cat food may not be the best thing for cats. Likewise, we should consider that cat food *may* be the best thing for cats. The absolute worse thing that could happen, however, is that we treat them as if they were human, or otherwise treat them as something that they are not. --Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 Hey everyone, Reading this discussion about vegan cats is almost painful for me, having just read " Obligate Carnivore, " which persuasively addresses every argument everyone has given so far against feeding vegan food to cats (and dogs). I hope that everyone on both sides of the issue, since it's clear that some people feel very strongly about this, will take the time to read this terrific book. It's only about 100 pages, it's very funny, and it's very fast reading. It's also the only book I know written to an intended audience of ethical vegans, which makes it really quite a wonderful experience to read, even if you don't have a cat or dog or even care particularly about this issue (but do care about veganism). Again, if you have any interest in this issue, and especially for the people who wrote adamantly against feeding cats vegan food, I strongly encourage you to pick this book up. It addresses and, in my opinion, refutes all the arguments people have made, and arguments that haven't even been addressed. Coincidentally, Freedom for Animals' next book club will be spent discussing this book. What perfect extra incentive to read it and join us! Even further incentive is that Joe Connelly has secured a deal by which the books are only $6! (E-mail him at editor if you'd like to buy one.) The book club will be meeting on Sunday, November 2, at Urban Forage (254 Fillmore Street @ Haight) from 6 to 8pm. I hope many of you will be there and that everyone will hold off on further discussion of this topic until they read the book. Nora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 In a message dated 10/13/2003 11:24:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kasie writes: a diet nature designed for them to eat. I think Kasie made the operative statement in the above sentence. Regardless of what the book " Obligate Carnivore " may say, nature designed cats to eat meat. Nature of course had no way of knowing anything about factory farming or anythng so evil, but it is part of nature, part of a cat's nature, to be a hunter. Yesterday on television I caught part of a documentary on tigers. It showed the tigers going after a rhinocerous. Terrible for the rhinocerous, of course, but that is the way nature designed it. Domestic cats are closely related to the undomesticated species (though they will not be able to hunt effectively unless their mother taught them to do so, and even then they will have an extremely tough time surviving in the current U.S., which people forget when they dump cats in the woods,e tc.) Cats were frist domesticated by humans because they were good hunters of rodents.. It protected people's grain stores.. Personally, I think that the very small bit that one contributes to factory farming by buying cat food is outweighed by the importance of cats having meat, but there are ways to get around contributing to factory farm suffering. There is an Amish company in Pennsylvania that makes cat food from more humanely treated animals. Also, as people have mentioned here, there are local foods being made for cats and dogs from more humanely treated animals. Stephanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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