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I am interested in the topic of vegan animals. My pet friends have most

recently been changed to a vegan diet. I have been reading all correspondence

hoping to learn useful information to benefit them. I am surprised all of this

childish bantering is going on in a forum such as this, and hope it stops,

because I am really tired of reading it. Let's stick to what is good for the

animals.

 

Thank you,

Tina Shannon

 

 

 

 

 

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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Tina Shannon wrote:

 

> [sfBAVeg] vegan cat humor

>

 

> I am interested in the topic of vegan animals. My pet friends have most

> recently been changed to a vegan diet. I have been reading all correspondence

> hoping to learn useful information to benefit them. I am surprised all of

> this childish bantering is going on in a forum such as this, and hope it

> stops, because I am really tired of reading it. Let's stick to what is good

> for the animals.

 

I am dismayed at the content of this list. I joined about three months ago in

the hope that I could learn something useful as a struggle to become more of a

vegan. But there seems to be far too much of the fanatics posting and I sit

here thinking to myself... goodness, these people need to calm down! And some

of the hyperbole is just plain old hypocritical. I can only wonder when I

will see people making arguments that animals in the wild killing prey for

food should be stopped. Geez. I am an animal too, I and I have no objection

to raising animals for the sole purpose of food supply, but I cannot condone

the treatment to the animals, environment, and people who work in meat

handling jobs nor do I believe the meat to be safe to eat. And I probably

will never be able to become a total vegan for health reasons. I will never

purchase leather hats/coats, but I know my next hiking boots and wallet will

be leather but not until this one is in tatters. I have the strength of

conviction to not indulge in <favorite non-veg item here> when I feel like it,

and I do as much as I possibly can, which I am sure would not be enough for

many of the posters that have expressed extreme views on this list.

 

So, I am going to sign off this list and instead use the web to search for

information which can help me become more than a 90% vegan. But if that is

all that I can manage, so be it.

 

I truly am disappointed and hope that there are more moderate people out there

who are the silent type.

 

Happy eating,

Shelley

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I regret that you find the group too extreme for your liking, Shelley, and that

you will be leaving the group because you find it too extreme. The vegans I

know are an extremely diverse group of people with numerous and sometimes

conflicting views on subjects related to our common interest. Your views are

far more expansive and complex than many and they seem moderately conservative

to me, as, unlike you, I do not believe in raising animals to be exploited for

food. But, your moderate viewpoint might seem far more " extreme " to someone who

has just begun to think about the many important reasons to go veg*n. To

someone like that, you appear so far-out as to have escaped the bonds of

gravity.

 

Let's face it, Shelley, a 90% vegan doesn't need help to expand to 100%. You'll

make it with or without this list if you really want to. But, support always

makes change more fun. So, stick around for the support or leave us if you

must. But remember, one thing that our diverse veg*n population insures is that

conversations are rarely boring. So, the next time you're bored by an on-line

group, don't blame us!

 

 

-

Shelley L. Shostak

Tina Shannon

Cc: sfBAVeg

Monday, October 20, 2003 2:54 PM

Re: [sfBAVeg] vegan cat humor

 

 

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Tina Shannon wrote:

 

> [sfBAVeg] vegan cat humor

>

 

> I am interested in the topic of vegan animals. My pet friends have most

> recently been changed to a vegan diet. I have been reading all

correspondence

> hoping to learn useful information to benefit them. I am surprised all of

> this childish bantering is going on in a forum such as this, and hope it

> stops, because I am really tired of reading it. Let's stick to what is good

> for the animals.

 

I am dismayed at the content of this list. I joined about three months ago in

the hope that I could learn something useful as a struggle to become more of a

vegan. But there seems to be far too much of the fanatics posting and I sit

here thinking to myself... goodness, these people need to calm down! And some

of the hyperbole is just plain old hypocritical. I can only wonder when I

will see people making arguments that animals in the wild killing prey for

food should be stopped. Geez. I am an animal too, I and I have no objection

to raising animals for the sole purpose of food supply, but I cannot condone

the treatment to the animals, environment, and people who work in meat

handling jobs nor do I believe the meat to be safe to eat. And I probably

will never be able to become a total vegan for health reasons. I will never

purchase leather hats/coats, but I know my next hiking boots and wallet will

be leather but not until this one is in tatters. I have the strength of

conviction to not indulge in <favorite non-veg item here> when I feel like it,

and I do as much as I possibly can, which I am sure would not be enough for

many of the posters that have expressed extreme views on this list.

 

So, I am going to sign off this list and instead use the web to search for

information which can help me become more than a 90% vegan. But if that is

all that I can manage, so be it.

 

I truly am disappointed and hope that there are more moderate people out there

who are the silent type.

 

Happy eating,

Shelley

 

 

 

 

 

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Shelley -- just in case you haven't d yet, let me add my two

cents. In my experience, there are only two kinds of vegans:

 

1. So-called " ethical vegans. " Ethical vegans tend to be former

vegetarians who find they can no longer ignore the hypocrisy of

vegetarianism (i.e the dairy industry's symbiotic relationship with the

veal industry, etc.)

2. Doctor-imposed vegans. These are very simply people who have been

ordered by their doctors to eat a vegan diet or risk a hastier death.

(These folks still wear leather, etc., but you get the point I'm sure)

 

Suffice it to say that you have to have an extremely compelling reason

to be vegan. Granted, it's not for everyone, and most vegans I know are

supportive of those people like yourself who are exploring varying

levels of vegetarianism/veganism. In my opinion, anything you can do to

reduce the suffering of animals is good. Not all vegans are extremists,

but we are all passionate about our convictions!

 

 

Shelley L. Shostak wrote:

 

> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Tina Shannon wrote:

>

> > [sfBAVeg] vegan cat humor

> >

>

> > I am interested in the topic of vegan animals. My pet friends have most

> > recently been changed to a vegan diet. I have been reading all

> correspondence

> > hoping to learn useful information to benefit them. I am surprised

> all of

> > this childish bantering is going on in a forum such as this, and hope it

> > stops, because I am really tired of reading it. Let's stick to what

> is good

> > for the animals.

>

> I am dismayed at the content of this list. I joined about three

> months ago in

> the hope that I could learn something useful as a struggle to become

> more of a

> vegan. But there seems to be far too much of the fanatics posting and

> I sit

> here thinking to myself... goodness, these people need to calm down!

> And some

> of the hyperbole is just plain old hypocritical. I can only wonder when I

> will see people making arguments that animals in the wild killing prey for

> food should be stopped. Geez. I am an animal too, I and I have no

> objection

> to raising animals for the sole purpose of food supply, but I cannot

> condone

> the treatment to the animals, environment, and people who work in meat

> handling jobs nor do I believe the meat to be safe to eat. And I probably

> will never be able to become a total vegan for health reasons. I will

> never

> purchase leather hats/coats, but I know my next hiking boots and

> wallet will

> be leather but not until this one is in tatters. I have the strength of

> conviction to not indulge in <favorite non-veg item here> when I feel

> like it,

> and I do as much as I possibly can, which I am sure would not be

> enough for

> many of the posters that have expressed extreme views on this list.

>

> So, I am going to sign off this list and instead use the web to search for

> information which can help me become more than a 90% vegan. But if

> that is

> all that I can manage, so be it.

>

> I truly am disappointed and hope that there are more moderate people

> out there

> who are the silent type.

>

> Happy eating,

> Shelley

>

>

>

>

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