Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 I know that Yves out of Canada was contracted to make the patty for McDonalds (Yves was bought out by Hain like so many others). They wanted something " meaty " unlike the BK Veggie, which is very veggie (visibly so) not that there's anything *wrong* with that. The burger was wildly popular in Canada (Yves' home turf) before being successfully test marketed last year in SoCal. The whole McDonald's burger is vegan including the whole wheat bun and the BBQ sauce condiment which comes standard (unlike the BK Veggie which has a vegan patty, and a whey-laced bun). The reason McD's says nothing is vegetarian is because the burgers can and probably do come into contact with cooking surfaces that are used to prepare meat. Their lawyers and PR flacks are undopubtedly sensitive to this issue after the lawsuit brought against the company by some Hindu folks over their fries. While we're on the subject, you still can't eat the fries at McDonalds as they continue to be seasoned with a beef-derived seasoning. So if you're really desperate for some grub, you can eat a McVeggie and a side salad with a Newman's Own vinaigrette/*.*/ -Josh _-__-__-__-__- http://www.technotofu.com messagesforjohn wrote: > So, does anybody know the deal with the new McVeggie? I see it's a > Hain product, but I couldn't get any information anyplace that > actually said it was SAFE TO EAT! In fact, this message was at the > McDonald's website: > > " No products are certified as vegetarian; all products may contain > trace amounts of ingredients derived from animals. " > > Yuck. Anybody out there able to get further than I have? Thanks-- > > > > > BAY AREA VEGETARIANS (BAV) is a community group for veggies to network > & find support. Free membership and lots of free events :-) > > Event Calendar, Charter, FAQ (/) and More! > http://www.bayareaveg.org/ > > Bookmark this page! Don't miss local events! > http://www.bayareaveg.org/events.php > > Message board > http://www.bayareaveg.org/forum > > > ------ > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 the word on the street is that you can ask the mcd's burger slinger to nuke the burger in the microwave rather than cook it on the grill with all the dead things, for a fully vegan product. On 02/10/04, Josh Miller <josh wrote: > I know that Yves out of Canada was contracted to make the patty for > McDonalds (Yves was bought out by Hain like so many others). > > They wanted something " meaty " unlike the BK Veggie, which is very veggie > (visibly so) not that there's anything *wrong* with that. The burger was > wildly popular in Canada (Yves' home turf) before being successfully > test marketed last year in SoCal. > > The whole McDonald's burger is vegan including the whole wheat bun and > the BBQ sauce condiment which comes standard (unlike the BK Veggie which > has a vegan patty, and a whey-laced bun). The reason McD's says nothing > is vegetarian is because the burgers can and probably do come into > contact with cooking surfaces that are used to prepare meat. Their > lawyers and PR flacks are undopubtedly sensitive to this issue after the > lawsuit brought against the company by some Hindu folks over their > fries. While we're on the subject, you still can't eat the fries at > McDonalds as they continue to be seasoned with a beef-derived seasoning. > > So if you're really desperate for some grub, you can eat a McVeggie and > a side salad with a Newman's Own vinaigrette/*.*/ > > -Josh > _-__-__-__-__- > http://www.technotofu.com > > messagesforjohn wrote: > > > So, does anybody know the deal with the new McVeggie? I see it's a > > Hain product, but I couldn't get any information anyplace that > > actually said it was SAFE TO EAT! In fact, this message was at the > > McDonald's website: > > > > " No products are certified as vegetarian; all products may contain > > trace amounts of ingredients derived from animals. " > > > > Yuck. Anybody out there able to get further than I have? Thanks-- > > > > > > > > > > BAY AREA VEGETARIANS (BAV) is a community group for veggies to network > > & find support. Free membership and lots of free events :-) > > > > Event Calendar, Charter, FAQ (/) and More! > > http://www.bayareaveg.org/ > > > > Bookmark this page! Don't miss local events! > > http://www.bayareaveg.org/events.php > > > > Message board > > http://www.bayareaveg.org/forum > > > > > > ------ > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 To me it seems, vegan patty and all, that it would be hypocritical to go to McDonald's, which for years was proudly serving us its beefy fries, and to this day is still slipping the meat in them. So--are they offering a combo, as in, "would you like fries with that?" Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 Can I just say that Vegan is the flash point but that sustainable agriculture is the fire that needs to be fed? I just don't buy the arguement that by purchasing the veggie burger at McDonalds one is impacting, supporting or encouraging a vegetarian lifestyle. I believe that McDonalds is trying to get you to buy all the other supporting products, soda - salads etc. We are just one new target market to buy food largely served in non-recyclable containers. McDonalds is corporation that is creating Agribusiness - i.e. the eradication of the farmer and a safe food supply. I want to Vote with my dollar and not eat there at all. Michelle Steve Simitzis [steve] Tuesday, February 10, 2004 10:41 PM Re: A reformed McD*nald's?? the word on the street is that you can ask the mcd's burger slinger to nuke the burger in the microwave rather than cook it on the grill with all the dead things, for a fully vegan product. On 02/10/04, Josh Miller <josh wrote: > I know that Yves out of Canada was contracted to make the patty for > McDonalds (Yves was bought out by Hain like so many others). > > They wanted something " meaty " unlike the BK Veggie, which is very veggie > (visibly so) not that there's anything *wrong* with that. The burger was > wildly popular in Canada (Yves' home turf) before being successfully > test marketed last year in SoCal. > > The whole McDonald's burger is vegan including the whole wheat bun and > the BBQ sauce condiment which comes standard (unlike the BK Veggie which > has a vegan patty, and a whey-laced bun). The reason McD's says nothing > is vegetarian is because the burgers can and probably do come into > contact with cooking surfaces that are used to prepare meat. Their > lawyers and PR flacks are undopubtedly sensitive to this issue after the > lawsuit brought against the company by some Hindu folks over their > fries. While we're on the subject, you still can't eat the fries at > McDonalds as they continue to be seasoned with a beef-derived seasoning. > > So if you're really desperate for some grub, you can eat a McVeggie and > a side salad with a Newman's Own vinaigrette/*.*/ > > -Josh > _-__-__-__-__- > http://www.technotofu.com > > messagesforjohn wrote: > > > So, does anybody know the deal with the new McVeggie? I see it's a > > Hain product, but I couldn't get any information anyplace that > > actually said it was SAFE TO EAT! In fact, this message was at the > > McDonald's website: > > > > " No products are certified as vegetarian; all products may contain > > trace amounts of ingredients derived from animals. " > > > > Yuck. Anybody out there able to get further than I have? Thanks-- > > > > > > > > > > BAY AREA VEGETARIANS (BAV) is a community group for veggies to network > > & find support. Free membership and lots of free events :-) > > > > Event Calendar, Charter, FAQ (/) and More! > > http://www.bayareaveg.org/ > > > > Bookmark this page! Don't miss local events! > > http://www.bayareaveg.org/events.php > > > > Message board > > http://www.bayareaveg.org/forum > > > > > > ------ > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 Of course they want you to buy other stuff while you're there - they are a business after all. I don't get offended when the Millennium waitress urges me to get some dessert or asks if we want another bottle of wine, either. :-) -Kim On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Michelle Steele wrote: > Can I just say that Vegan is the flash point but that sustainable agriculture is the fire that needs to be fed? I just don't buy the arguement that by purchasing the veggie burger at McDonalds one is impacting, supporting or encouraging a vegetarian lifestyle. I believe that McDonalds is trying to get you to buy all the other supporting products, soda - salads etc. We are just one new target market to buy food largely served in non-recyclable containers. McDonalds is corporation that is creating Agribusiness - i.e. the eradication of the farmer and a safe food supply. > > I want to Vote with my dollar and not eat there at all. > > Michelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 While I understand some people like to eat out, or eat with friends who perhaps partake in McDonalds... I just don't like to support such a shady, disgusting company. Please remember that your McVeggie dollars go into advertising, (along with the profits of other burgers) to attract more customers. Most customers are not vegetarians, and thus, the majority of the advertising is trying to get more customers for their cruelty and animal pieces. Besides, McDonalds has had trouble in the past with honesty. ~~~ Meredith ~~~ Free Vegetarian Starter Kit http://www.vegetarianstarterkit.com > >Steve Simitzis [steve] >Tuesday, February 10, 2004 10:41 PM > >Re: A reformed McD*nald's?? > > >the word on the street is that you can ask the mcd's burger >slinger to nuke the burger in the microwave rather than cook >it on the grill with all the dead things, for a fully vegan product. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 I think this topic could flood the list for day as there is no right answer. I myself would never buy a veggie burger at McDonalds or BK these days, but when I was transitioning to a veg diet back in the late 80's I regularly frequented Burger King in the UK and got their veggie burger. If vegetarianism is to reach the masses it has to be accessible and convenient for people to try, and us veg heads aren't McDonalds target audience anyway. Lets not forget that anything to reduce animal consumption and suffering can only be a good thing even if it is the evil empire supporting it. I'm also a big proponent of shopping at Safeways, and swiping my Club Card with pride knowing that they're tracking my ever vegan move. I've told this story to many, and they first laugh, but then I explain that having Safeways track me shows that there's a vegan shopping there. I know it's working as I recently signed up for their online/home delivery service and they had a full list of what I'd bought going back 4-5 years and even popped up and ad encouraging me to order more wholefood and natural products. So stand up and be counted and by doing so allow the general population cut pack on their meat intake. One last interesting factoid, McDonalds had a 'veggie' burger back in the 60's called the Hula burger. It was a deep fried slice of pinapple. Of course it was a flop, but was a favorite and brainchild of Ray Kroc himself. Fingers crossed the new burger will not suffer the same demise and will save a few animals along the way. Take care Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 Thank you, John for putting McD's in perspective. I don't care how many veggie burgers they serve up. How many cattle a year are McD's customers responsible for killing? As long as people PAY McD's as customers, they'll keep killing that cattle. By shopping there, you support their practices. Corporations like McD's love to draw in their opposition and call them their own. Sure, it's great that vegetarianism and veganism is expanding, more accepted, etc. And McD's saw a market and went for it. Ok, yes, so we have some power in our growing numbers. Good. But I don't think they are aiming at us as their market. They are aiming at those meat eaters who are questioning their own diets and want to be able to rationalize eating at a fast food restaurant. Here's what I say: don't use your power to buy their products. Use your power to SHUT them DOWN. Whether you are buying veggie burgers or cow burgers, you are supporting McD's and their role in the existence of factory farming as we know it today. And just because you are buying veggie burgers, doesn't mean it's healthy........what is known about their food preparation practices doesn't get described as healthy. I wouldn't want to eat anything they serve up. They are not concerned about making something that is good for anyone. They are concerned solely with selling more product. Read Fast Food Nation, if you haven't already. Marcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.