feral cats

February 27, 2004

Does anyone know of an organization or individual who can help with

trapping and placing 8-10 cats (who knows how many kittens, we

haven't found them yet)in Oakland? They are on a construction site

and will be displaced/killed if we don't get them out. I have a

trap, but I can't take in any more cats. Any help would be

appreciated!

March 11, 2004

In a message dated 2/27/2004 12:39:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, wintersol writes:

Does anyone know of an organization or individual who can help with trapping and placing 8-10 cats (who knows how many kittens, we haven't found them yet)in Oakland? They are on a construction site and will be displaced/killed if we don't get them out. I have a trap, but I can't take in any more cats. Any help would be appreciated!

There is an organization in Berkeley called Fix Our Ferals. I don't know their number-does anyone else? They don't do the trapping (they spay/neuter and give basic medical attention to feral cats once a month), but they may have some leads. Hope this is helpful. Let us know what happpens to the cats and probably as you say kittens (this being "kitten season"). Stephanie

December 13, 2005

Thanks for the link, Linda. I asked for the vents to

be sealed after I thought I had caught all of the

cats; one even had a broken leg and was holing up

under there. There is a blackberry bramble nearby

where they also have their kittens. It was really

hard to go under the building to get the kittens. The

agencies I talked to said they would " try " to place

the kittens but there was no guarantee. In nature, if

the food is scarce, females are less likely to come

into estrus. So, when people feed unspayed cats,they

are actually contributing to the problem as it

encourages mating/breeding (not that I think animals

should be starved, that's not what I'm saying). I

think discouraging nesting places has the same effect

as poor hunting. I wish I could take down the

blackberry bramble as well but it's not my property.

In nature, conditions have to be right for breeding to

be successful. But most of all, I wish people would

spay/neuter their animals and take full responsibility

for them.

--- linda <lindai81 wrote:

> Here is a link to the feral cat programs in your

> area that trap/neuter/return the feral cats. It is

> such an excellent program and they are all over the

> place. The site lists the programs that are in your

> area and they also have direct links to the internet

> sites that are there which is great.

>

> http://www.alleycat.org/orgs.html#wa

>

> The problem as I see it with the sealing up of the

> vents is that the cats then have no where to go to

> be in out of the weather. They have their kittens

> there yes, but what damage does that do? Cats have

> been domesticated for thousands of years and it is a

> false idea that feral cats can fend for themselves

> because they revert to their wild state. They need

> us to continue to protect them. With the

> trap/neuter/return program the population is

> stabilized and the cats are protected. They didn't

> do this, people did by not spaying their cats and

> throwing them out. Feral cats have no chance even in

> the no kill shelters. They can not be tamed and thus

> are not adoptable. But their kittens may be.

> linda

> " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is

> very important that you do it. "

> Mohandas Gandhi

>

> linda's Growing Stitchery Projects:

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> Susan

>

> Monday, December 12, 2005 3:36 AM

> Re: Re: Humane Society

>

> We have one here, but it's over on the peninsula.

> I

> was trapping feral cats/kittens here for awhile

> until

> I found out that they get put down. Even the

> no-kill

> shelters will put them down. So I stopped. I did

> get

> our property manager to seal off all the air vent

> openings under the buildings so the cats can't go

> under there to have kittens anymore. I wish we

> had

> one of those programs closer. There were six more

> kittens this year from two litters and I haven't

> seen

> any of them since the cold weather started. I

> think

> coyotes and owls pick them off. It's sad and so

> unneccessary. I recently got the contact info for

> the

> one we do have (on the peninsula) so I can call

> and

> get more info.

>

> --- linda <lindai81 wrote:

>

> > I volunteer in a program for feral cats (it is

> > nation wide and you might have it there too)

> where

> > we trap feral cats, neuter/spay them, give them

> > shots, clean their ears, and other medical needs

> and

> > then return them to their colony.

>

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December 13, 2005

Well, here, it is the belief that unless we help these cats they will die of starvation and cold, a miserable death. I think that is the stance of all feral TNR programs. We are part of nature too and we breed but we don't advocate starving women so they don't ovulate. We humans have burdened the planet with incalculable agonies and are killing her so it would seem to me to be more appropriate to starve women first over cats. Cats without homes are inconvenient and a nuisance and even at times destructive, but all of that is through no fault of their own. And as human beings we have outdone them in all areas. When feeding stray or feral cats we can't get close enough to see if all are already spayed and even if they weren't we wouldn't leave them to starve. We do feed the feral cats and stray cats and as soon as possible we trap them and spay them...all of this done with private donations. And we capture the kittens and if possible socialize them so that they are adoptable. But there is no way I am going to allow a cat, dog or whatever to starve or suffer from the cold no matter how inconvenient it is for me. If I could I guess I wouldn't be a vegan. Suffering of any sentient being needs to be address and not through killing them, even humanely. We have to be more human than that.

linda

"Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi

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Susan

Monday, December 12, 2005 4:33 PM

Re: Re: feral cats

Thanks for the link, Linda. I asked for the vents tobe sealed after I thought I had caught all of thecats; one even had a broken leg and was holing upunder there. There is a blackberry bramble nearbywhere they also have their kittens. It was reallyhard to go under the building to get the kittens. Theagencies I talked to said they would "try" to placethe kittens but there was no guarantee. In nature, ifthe food is scarce, females are less likely to comeinto estrus. So, when people feed unspayed cats,theyare actually contributing to the problem as itencourages mating/breeding (not that I think animalsshould be starved, that's not what I'm saying). Ithink discouraging nesting places has the same effectas poor hunting. I wish I could take down theblackberry bramble as well but it's not my property.In nature, conditions have to be right for breeding tobe successful. But most of all, I wish people wouldspay/neuter their animals and take full responsibilityfor them.--- linda <lindai81 wrote:> Here is a link to the feral cat programs in your> area that trap/neuter/return the feral cats. It is> such an excellent program and they are all over the> place. The site lists the programs that are in your> area and they also have direct links to the internet> sites that are there which is great.> > http://www.alleycat.org/orgs.html#wa> > The problem as I see it with the sealing up of the> vents is that the cats then have no where to go to> be in out of the weather. They have their kittens> there yes, but what damage does that do? Cats have> been domesticated for thousands of years and it is a> false idea that feral cats can fend for themselves> because they revert to their wild state. They need> us to continue to protect them. With the> trap/neuter/return program the population is> stabilized and the cats are protected. They didn't> do this, people did by not spaying their cats and> throwing them out. Feral cats have no chance even in> the no kill shelters. They can not be tamed and thus> are not adoptable. But their kittens may be. > linda