Guest guest Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Hello, I recently read an article in Mothering Magazine (no. 124, may-june 2004) regarding soy products and their negative effects on the body. I found this to be disturbing since, as a vegan for the past 8 years, soy has been one of my major sources of protein. The article states that we should eat only about 50 gms of soy a day. That is less than an quarter cup, which is not much if you start adding up all the foods out there that contain some element of soy. I did some research online and it looks like the negative impact of soy outweighs the positive. I am curious to know what people think about this subject and if they have any suggestions for alternative sources of protein. I am not feeling quite ready to introduce eggs and fish back into my diet. Just as a note, I have never relied heavily on the fake meats, but have consumed copious amounts of soymilk, tofu and tempeh in my day. Thanks, Caren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Hi Caren, Unless someone has unusually high protein needs, a typical vegan can easily get enough protein without eating soy; by eating other legumes instead. Refried beans, black beans, garbanzo beans, falafel, lentil dal, peanut butter, etc. all have ample protein. If you want more detailed information on protein, see this page here: http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/protein/ That said, there are a lot of anti-soy articles making their way around which do not have research on humans to support their claims. If you go to the Vegan Spam below, there is an article I wrote on soy and some links to other articles that review the human research on soy. In summary, there is no evidence that the average person can eat 2 - 3 servings of soy a day without harmful effects. http://www.veganoutreach.org/spam/20040421.html Jack Norris, Registered DietitianVegan Outreachhttp://www.veganoutreach.org/ PA Office: POB 38492Pittsburgh, PA 15238-8492 CA Office:POB 4305Davis, CA 95617916-375-0014 - Scott & Caren Friday, April 30, 2004 10:23 AM Questions regarding Soy Hello, I recently read an article in Mothering Magazine (no. 124, may-june 2004) regarding soy products and their negative effects on the body. I found this to be disturbing since, as a vegan for the past 8 years, soy has been one of my major sources of protein. The article states that we should eat only about 50 gms of soy a day. That is less than an quarter cup, which is not much if you start adding up all the foods out there that contain some element of soy. I did some research online and it looks like the negative impact of soy outweighs the positive. I am curious to know what people think about this subject and if they have any suggestions for alternative sources of protein. I am not feeling quite ready to introduce eggs and fish back into my diet. Just as a note, I have never relied heavily on the fake meats, but have consumed copious amounts of soymilk, tofu and tempeh in my day. Thanks, CarenBAY AREA VEGETARIANS (BAV) is a community group for veggies to network & find support. Event Calendar, Charter, FAQ and More!http://www.bayareaveg.org/Bookmark this page! Don't miss local events!http://www.bayareaveg.org/events.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 I said: In summary, there is no evidence that the average person can eat 2 - 3 servings of soy a day without harmful effects. I meant: In summary, there is no evidence that the average person *cannot* eat 2 - 3 servings of soy a day without harmful effects. - Jack Norris SFBAveg list Friday, April 30, 2004 10:56 AM Re: Questions regarding Soy Hi Caren, Unless someone has unusually high protein needs, a typical vegan can easily get enough protein without eating soy; by eating other legumes instead. Refried beans, black beans, garbanzo beans, <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Maybe my brain is addled, but now this is one too many double negatives for me -- Jack, could you please state more clearly what you mean here? Thanks, Janice Rothstein >I said: In summary, there is no evidence that the average person can eat 2 - 3 servings of soy a day without harmful effects. I meant: In summary, there is no evidence that the average person *cannot* eat 2 - 3 servings of soy a day without harmful effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 It means that 2 to 3 servings of soy per day is probably safe. Jack - " Janice Rothstein " <gata <SFBAVeg > Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:21 PM Re: Questions regarding Soy > Maybe my brain is addled, but now this is one too many double negatives > for me -- Jack, could you please > state more clearly what you mean here? > > Thanks, > Janice Rothstein > > >I said: > > In summary, there is no evidence that the average person can eat 2 - 3 > servings of soy a day without harmful effects. > > I meant: > > In summary, there is no evidence that the average person *cannot* eat 2 > - 3 servings of soy a day without harmful effects. > > > > > BAY AREA VEGETARIANS (BAV) is a community group for veggies to network > & find support. > > Event Calendar, Charter, FAQ and More! > http://www.bayareaveg.org/ > > Bookmark this page! Don't miss local events! > http://www.bayareaveg.org/events.php > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 why even eat soy at all? So many ppl become allergic to it anyways (like corn, wheat, peanuts, etc.), it can't be good in any amount. Eat flax seed instead (you need omega-6s, even Bush's govt agrees), and if you need scientific evidence before you feel good about the switch, go to www.udoerasmus.com, Udo is a biochem/nutrition PhD who has done an extensive survey of the literature. JP > It means that 2 to 3 servings of soy per day is probably safe. > > Jack > - > " Janice Rothstein " <gata > <SFBAVeg > > Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:21 PM > Re: Questions regarding Soy > > >> Maybe my brain is addled, but now this is one too many double negatives >> for me -- Jack, could you please >> state more clearly what you mean here? >> >> Thanks, >> Janice Rothstein >> >> >I said: >> >> In summary, there is no evidence that the average person can eat 2 - 3 >> servings of soy a day without harmful effects. >> >> I meant: >> >> In summary, there is no evidence that the average person *cannot* eat 2 >> - 3 servings of soy a day without harmful effects. >> >> >> >> >> BAY AREA VEGETARIANS (BAV) is a community group for veggies to network >> & find support. >> >> Event Calendar, Charter, FAQ and More! >> http://www.bayareaveg.org/ >> >> Bookmark this page! Don't miss local events! >> http://www.bayareaveg.org/events.php >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 eat soy because you like it and it's convenient, and as healthy or healthier than most alternatives. and if by " so many " people, you mean a fraction of one percent, then sure. i'm glad that a handful of people can find non-soy specialty products, but i would hardly call it a national emergency. i personally find the media's (including the pro-veg media) fixation on soy and wheat intolerance to be frustrating, considering that 70% of the world is lactose intolerant, and no one seems particularly outraged. when vegans play along with unnecessary alarmism ( " play it safe and don't overdo the soy! " ), it throws doubt into any possibility that veganism is a viable diet for average people. i like flax seeds on salads, but until my local cafe starts serving up flax lattes (which would taste disgusting, btw) i doubt very many vegans will be excited about making the switch. On 05/03/04, jp wrote: > why even eat soy at all? So many ppl become allergic to it anyways (like > corn, wheat, peanuts, etc.), it can't be good in any amount. Eat flax seed > instead (you need omega-6s, even Bush's govt agrees), and if you need > scientific evidence before you feel good about the switch, go to > www.udoerasmus.com, Udo is a biochem/nutrition PhD who has done an > extensive survey of the literature. JP > > > > It means that 2 to 3 servings of soy per day is probably safe. > > > > Jack > > - > > " Janice Rothstein " <gata > > <SFBAVeg > > > Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:21 PM > > Re: Questions regarding Soy > > > > > >> Maybe my brain is addled, but now this is one too many double negatives > >> for me -- Jack, could you please > >> state more clearly what you mean here? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Janice Rothstein > >> > >> >I said: > >> > >> In summary, there is no evidence that the average person can eat 2 - 3 > >> servings of soy a day without harmful effects. > >> > >> I meant: > >> > >> In summary, there is no evidence that the average person *cannot* eat 2 > >> - 3 servings of soy a day without harmful effects. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> BAY AREA VEGETARIANS (BAV) is a community group for veggies to network > >> & find support. > >> > >> Event Calendar, Charter, FAQ and More! > >> http://www.bayareaveg.org/ > >> > >> Bookmark this page! Don't miss local events! > >> http://www.bayareaveg.org/events.php > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Wait a second - just because people become allergic to something, that means it's bad? My cousin's allergic to strawberries, but that doesn't mean that for most people there's anything wrong with them... On May 3, 2004, at 8:00 PM, jp wrote: > why even eat soy at all? So many ppl become allergic to it anyways > (like > corn, wheat, peanuts, etc.), it can't be good in any amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 This is why you should eat soy. Soy is rich in fiber, protein, iron and isoflavones. Studies have shown that the consumption of soy products, most studies used 25g per day, decreased serum blood cholesterol in test subjects, thus decreasing the risk of heart disease. Also, many studies have proved that the consumption of soy decreases bone resorption (the degradation of bone.)And of course, soy milk, beans, nuts and ice-cream are delicious! >jp >"Jack Norris" <jacknorris, SFBAVeg >Re: Re: Questions regarding Soy >Mon, 3 May 2004 22:00:54 -0500 (CDT) > >why even eat soy at all? So many ppl become allergic to it anyways (like >corn, wheat, peanuts, etc.), it can't be good in any amount. Eat flax seed >instead (you need omega-6s, even Bush's govt agrees), and if you need >scientific evidence before you feel good about the switch, go to >www.udoerasmus.com, Udo is a biochem/nutrition PhD who has done an >extensive survey of the literature. JP > > > > It means that 2 to 3 servings of soy per day is probably safe. > > > > Jack > > - > > "Janice Rothstein" <gata > > <SFBAVeg > > > Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:21 PM > > Re: Questions regarding Soy > > > > > >> Maybe my brain is addled, but now this is one too many double negatives > >> for me -- Jack, could you please > >> state more clearly what you mean here? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Janice Rothstein > >> > >> >I said: > >> > >> In summary, there is no evidence that the average person can eat 2 - 3 > >> servings of soy a day without harmful effects. > >> > >> I meant: > >> > >> In summary, there is no evidence that the average person *cannot* eat 2 > >> - 3 servings of soy a day without harmful effects. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> BAY AREA VEGETARIANS (BAV) is a community group for veggies to network > >> & find support. > >> > >> Event Calendar, Charter, FAQ and More! > >> http://www.bayareaveg.org/ > >> > >> Bookmark this page! Don't miss local events! > >> http://www.bayareaveg.org/events.php > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 I have heard that too much soy causes an increase in the bad kind of estrogen which certain plastics in the environment are also said to do and which is possibly related to the increase in breast and prostate cancer. There are supposedly two kinds of estrogen – one good and one bad and when it is out of balance a cancer can result. Anyone knowledgeable in this area? k on 5/9/04 9:07 PM, Victor Sloan at vjay20 wrote: This is why you should eat soy. Soy is rich in fiber, protein, iron and isoflavones. Studies have shown that the consumption of soy products, most studies used 25g per day, decreased serum blood cholesterol in test subjects, thus decreasing the risk of heart disease. Also, many studies have proved that the consumption of soy decreases bone resorption (the degradation of bone.) And of course, soy milk, beans, nuts and ice-cream are delicious! >jp > " Jack Norris " <jacknorris, SFBAVeg >Re: Re: Questions regarding Soy >Mon, 3 May 2004 22:00:54 -0500 (CDT) > >why even eat soy at all? So many ppl become allergic to it anyways (like >corn, wheat, peanuts, etc.), it can't be good in any amount. Eat flax seed >instead (you need omega-6s, even Bush's govt agrees), and if you need >scientific evidence before you feel good about the switch, go to >www.udoerasmus.com, Udo is a biochem/nutrition PhD who has done an >extensive survey of the literature. JP > > > > It means that 2 to 3 servings of soy per day is probably safe. > > > > Jack > > - > > " Janice Rothstein " <gata > > <SFBAVeg > > > Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:21 PM > > Re: Questions regarding Soy > > > > > >> Maybe my brain is addled, but now this is one too many double negatives > >> for me -- Jack, could you please > >> state more clearly what you mean here? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Janice Rothstein > >> > >> >I said: > >> > >> In summary, there is no evidence that the average person can eat 2 - 3 > >> servings of soy a day without harmful effects. > >> > >> I meant: > >> > >> In summary, there is no evidence that the average person *cannot* eat 2 > >> - 3 servings of soy a day without harmful effects. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> BAY AREA VEGETARIANS (BAV) is a community group for veggies to network > >> & find support. > >> > >> Event Calendar, Charter, FAQ and More! > >> http://www.bayareaveg.org/ > >> > >> Bookmark this page! Don't miss local events! > >> http://www.bayareaveg.org/events.php > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Kate, I'd recommend: http://www.veganoutreach.org/health/soysafe.html Is It Safe to Eat Soy? By Virginia Messina, MPH, RD & Mark Messina, PhD Jack Norris, Registered DietitianVegan Outreachhttp://www.veganoutreach.org/ - Kate Danaher Victor Sloan ; jp ; jacknorris ; Monday, May 10, 2004 9:08 AM Re: Re: Questions regarding Soy I have heard that too much soy causes an increase in the bad kind of estrogen which certain plastics in the environment are also said to do and which is possibly related to the increase in breast and prostate cancer. There are supposedly two kinds of estrogen – one good and one bad and when it is out of balance a cancer can result. Anyone knowledgeable in this area?k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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