Guest guest Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 I'd just like to address one section of Ajay's post, as shown below. --- Ajay <ajayboots wrote: " Most people who eat meat do so because they feel that it is a matter of survival. Most don't eat meat to cause suffering to the animals; it is just that, in their (flawed) view, the gain to their survival outweighs the suffering caused to an animal. To them, animal protein is the only good source of quality nutrients. " Perhaps that's true for populations such as indigenous Alaskan natives, but for my friends and relatives who eat meat, they more likely fall into the category below: 1) They are pretty convinced it's really not that good for them, are trying to cut down, and have seen family and friends dying of cancer and heart failure and do make the connection of poor health with eating meat. 2) Again, the people I know who eat meat, do so because they're accustomed to it, or they like the flavor/texture, etc., and believe that serving those needs and desires outweighs the possible deleterious effects on their health. They don't believe they couldn't survive without it, they just don't want to. 3) They would say they love animals (mostly dogs and cats) but they make a conscious or unconscious disconnect between their beloved " pets " and (farm or wild) animals sold as food. Bob Start your day with - Make it your home page! http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 Hi, I beleive there is one more reason why people eat meat, dairy and eggs. A lot of people believe that meat and eggs are not neccesary for their survival, but they are still required to maintaine their health. And this is especially true for dairy. And nobody can really prove that those people are wrong. There are stories that tell how some people were healed by becoming a vegan and there are completely opposite stories, that are as truthful. There are sientific reseraches proving that vegan diet is the most healthy one and there are other sienctific researches (not neccessary sponsored by meat or dairy industry) proving that some (not as much as it is ussually advertised) animal protein is required to maintane proper health. Cheers, Lena FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 quote: proving that some (not as much as it isussually advertised) animal protein is required tomaintane proper health Lena, while I realize that you were simply stating these studies...and that you certainly don't agree with the advertising hype about pro-meat.....that contradict the values of a plant-based diet...We must all keep in mind that regardless ot the health (pro -or con) aspects of meat-eating, that there are many other reasons that a vegan lifestyle is "the healthiest diet of all". For the PLANET, THE ANIMALS, AND OUR CONCIENCE (Re: cruelty to animals) . Just wanted to make sure...we all keep these aspects in the forefront...when looking at the attributes of engineered meat...which would ultimately abolish all of these concerns. IMO the health aspects are simply a bonus. Also I am concerned about this statement: ..."And nobody can really prove that those people are wrong." There are many, many studies that prove that "they are wrong". ParisYlena Veizman <ymv0176 wrote: Hi,I beleive there is one more reason why people eatmeat, dairy and eggs. A lot of people believe that meat and eggs are notneccesary for their survival, but they are stillrequired to maintaine their health. And this isespecially true for dairy.And nobody can really prove that those people arewrong.There are stories that tell how some people werehealed by becoming a vegan and there are completelyopposite stories, that are as truthful.There are sientific reseraches proving that vegan dietis the most healthy one and there are other sienctificresearches (not neccessary sponsored by meat or dairy industry) proving that some (not as much as it isussually advertised) animal protein is required tomaintane proper health. Cheers,Lena FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.http://farechase. Ms. Paris Harvey bitebackvegan 925 788 8296 (PST) http://www.peta.org/AnimalLiberation/display.asp ...Spend a few minutes here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 I completely agree that vegan diet is better for Animals, Planet and our Conciseness! And I would definitely welcome Engineered meat, since I am pretty sure it would, if not solve, but definitely improve our terrible treatment of Animals and the Planet. I just wanted to point out one more reason why a lot of people don't become vegan. "There are many, many studies that prove that "they are wrong". " I agree and this is the reason I wrote "There are scientific researches proving that vegan diet is the most healthy one" But there are still a lot of legitimate studies proving that some people need meat in their diet for the health reasons. I spent a lot of time arguing with non vegans that vegan diet can be healthy. But for me to say vegan diet is the most healthy one for everybody, is like for them to say, meat diet is the most healthy one for everybody. I don't think either statement is true. Again, I believe that it is the best diet for the planet, animals and our conciseness, but not always (even though in a lot of cases) for our health. Lena Paris Harvey <bitebackvegan wrote: quote: proving that some (not as much as it isusually advertised) animal protein is required tomaintain proper health Lena, while I realize that you were simply stating these studies...and that you certainly don't agree with the advertising hype about pro-meat.....that contradict the values of a plant-based diet...We must all keep in mind that regardless ot the health (pro -or con) aspects of meat-eating, that there are many other reasons that a vegan lifestyle is "the healthiest diet of all". For the PLANET, THE ANIMALS, AND OUR CONCIENCE (Re: cruelty to animals) . Just wanted to make sure...we all keep these aspects in the forefront...when looking at the attributes of engineered meat...which would ultimately abolish all of these concerns. IMO the health aspects are simply a bonus. Also I am concerned about this statement: ..."And nobody can really prove that those people are wrong." There are many, many studies that prove that "they are wrong". Paris FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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