Dr Weinberm & indiana.edu SUPPORTS bestiality

March 9, 2000

In a message dated 3/9/2000 7:54:58 AM, nchamber writes:

>JT. I got another e-mail. I assume you did to. Just when we thought it

>was over! Nayda

No, it is *not* " over " Nayda, as long as the University allows this animal

rape study on a publically funded facility, and condoning two staffers

sending the Missouri state house representatives an email from Indiana

University attempting to interfere with proposed legislation in another

state. (HB 1658 which will make bestiality " sexual abuse of animals " , a

crime as it was before the law was removed by oversight)

The doctors weinberm and Williams only just started this study on zoophiles,

and they were attempting to draw conclusions when the study isn't even

concluded, and then attempt to influence legislation in another state they

have noting to do with and don't reside in while using the University

facilities and name in this effort.

In addition, a number of animal rights activists have participated in this

" study " , thus skewing the results as a test of the validity of multiple

choice questions being used for a " scientific survey " into bestiality. The

survey has also been posted to numbers of other forums so anyone interested

in " playing jokes " on the doctors can participate in this survey too.

I frankly am outraged that anyone would conduct a study on people who f**k

animals and call it a lifestyle like being gay, and then before the study is

even underway they send mail to 100 Missouri state representatives attempting

to interfere with legislation there making bestiality a crime as it was

before the law was removed thru oversight.

Animal rights and welfare groups are being made aware of this study, the

doctor's attempts to block legislation in another state, and the involvement

of Indiana University in this matter.

We intend to take this to the press, groups and individuals who fund or

donate money to the University and anyone else we can find.

If you want to see what a zoophile does, here is the Dan House case:

http://members.xoom.com/pro4animal/house.html

Here is what a zoophile posted to an animal sex forum regarding this, and it

is clear what their agenda IS:

" He almost didn't get the

funding to do the study. I personally believe that every zoophile should be

thankful and curteous to Dr. Weinberg for his efforts. I also think zoophiles

should be a bit thankful of the person that got Dr. Weinberg involved. "

" The zoophile that is solely responsible for talking to Dr. Weinberg and

getting

him not only interested in the study but provided Dr. Weinberg much material

from his own research is a good personal friend of many (zoophiles) "

SNIP

" Professional support, like Dr. Weinberg's studies, is an important step

towards

getting any bestiality legistlation removed. "

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So there we have it, Dr Weinberm and Williams are personally involved with

zoophiles making them biased from the start, as evidenced further by their

email to the MO state reps when their study has barely begun. We also see the

zoophiles want laws removed, what better way than to put answers into a

survey like this that reflect the " kind gentle " zoophile?

Here is part is what they are distributing to Missouri state house

representatives AGAINST HB 1658, AGAINST animals, to make bestiality (sexual

abuse of animals) illegal. This should be an outrage:

Members of the Missouri House of Representatives

Martin S. Weinberg, PhD and Colin J. Williams, PhD

As sociologists and sex researchers at Indiana University for over

30 years, and as professionals who are researching zoophilia, we submit to

you our views of the proposed House Bill 1658 which prohibits engaging in

sexual conduct with animals (bestiality). We believe that given our academic

disciplines, we write with the benefit of extensive knowledge regarding the

consequences of attempting to legally control unconventional forms of sexual

expression and the failure of legislators to distinguish between the

objective harm resulting from these sexual acts and the displeasure they may

feel with regard to them.

SNIP

Implicit in HB 1658 is that sex with an

animal in itself constitutes abuse. We believe that this merely reflects a

negative attitude toward suc

cannot be enforced. Further, they have the potential for creating witch

hunts, and of ruining the lives of random individuals unluber that less than

half a century ago, all states

but one criminalized homosexual acts because many people were uncomfortable

with the idea of sexual behavior with members of the same sex. This

destroyed the lives of many citizens. Please do not make this same mistake

by pursuing HB 1658 any further.

=====================

I will address this letter,

" we write with the benefit of extensive knowledge regarding the

consequences of attempting to legally control unconventional forms of sexual

expression "

This is not an " unconventional " sexuality, this is animal abuse, the rape of

animals who cannot say no, cannot fight back and are 100% dependant on their

owners for everything.

Dogs are bred, raised and trained from birth NEVER to show aggression, bite

etc., that is how the owner can remove their food while another dog cannot.

" Implicit in HB 1658 is that sex with an animal in itself constitutes abuse.

"

Nowhere in the bill does it say anything about that, these doctors are

attempting to influence legislation they haven't even READ before sending

this mail, that was obvious by that line!

The actual bill had they read it, reads as:

========================

Chapter 566, RSMo, is amended by adding thereto one new section, to

be known as section 566.111, to read as follows:

566.111

1. No person shall knowingly engage in any sexual conduct with an

animal or knowingly cause another person to engage in any sexual conduct

with an animal for sexual gratification of any reason.

2. Any person who violates the provisions of subsection 1 of this

section is guilty of a class D felony

===========================

Nowhere in there does it mention animal abuse, it covers all acts of sex with

animals, thus closing loopholes that zoophiles might use.

" We can confidently say that if laws such as HB 1658 are passed, they

cannot be enforced. "

An eroneous statement given that no less than three zoophiles were CAUGHT and

arrested in California in the recent year: Dan House, charged with sexually

assaulting animals, one died later, Rice and Myers sexually abused six dogs,

Juan Alonzo- charged with anal sex on a dog, James Ray, charged after

sexually assaulting several 4H project sheep at a High School, and others.

Somehow they got CAUGHT, so obviously the law in California against

bestiality DOES work.

" Further, they have the potential for creating witch

hunts, and of ruining the lives of random individuals unluber that less than

half a century ago "

If they can't do the time, don't do the crime as they say...

" all states

but one criminalized homosexual acts because many people were uncomfortable

with the idea of sexual behavior with members of the same sex. "

Oh PLEASE!!! lets not compare sexual assaults on animals with homosexuality!

The two are not even in the same ballpark, bestiaity is closer to pedophilia

(sexual assaults on children) then it is to anything homosexual and I'm sure

the gay community would be outraged to read any such associations between

consenting relations between two human adults and a man with a 40 pound

female dog!

Last Name: Weinberg

First Name: Martin

Campus Code: BL

Campus: Bloomington

Department Code: SOC

Department: Sociology

E-mail Address: weinberm

Building/Room: Ballantine 744

City: Bloomington

State: IN

Zip: 47405

Last Name: Williams

First Name: Colin J.

Campus Code: IN

Campus: IUPUI

Department Code: SOC

Department: Sociology

E-mail Address: cjwillia

Phone Number: 317 274-4454

Building/Room: CA 303

Here is who activists can send complaints / comments to regarding this

matter, this is a list of the University President, Vice President,

admissions, and various council members in the administration departments of

the multi-building campus. Let them know you don't approve of their

University hosting or being involved with providing services to these two

doctors who are using this University name and facilities to attempt to sway

legislation in another state and to

essentially promote bestiality. I will seperately provide the list of MO reps

and ask that activists contact them in support of HB 1658. I will be sending

them a copy of this letter as well;

pres

admissions

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fcouncil

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csimpson

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nchamber

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Myles Brand President

Indiana University

(812) 855-4613

Pres

Fax: 812-855-7002

Now you might want to see these zoophile forums for yourself, here is one:

www.ianszoolinks.com

You will find links like these:

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