Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 hi kim, i was on a cruise once and ended up eating nothing but fruit salad. it was holland america and all the veggies were sauteed in animal fat. i could smell and taste it. bring everything you can possibly fit in your suitcase and stick to raw foods. even the rice and pasta may be cooked in animal broth. remember, the staff on most ships are indonesian or filipinos and they don't have knowledge of vegan. scuba dive for me! peace, amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Hi Kim, As was pointed out at a Peta conference I went to, it's basically impossible for any of us to live without harming other living beings in some way. I try to do the best that I can to maintain a vegan lifestyle. I do not knowingly eat or wear any animal products and I read labels and ask questions. But if you can't tell that bread, pasta, veggies, etc., have been cooked in animal fat or broth, or butter, and if the wait staff tells you they haven't, I recommend you just enjoy the meal. In my opinion, we can make veganism impossible or miserable by worrying too much about whether there's any miniscule amount of animal product in what we eat. You'll serve animals better in the long run, I think, by doing the best you can, feeling good about that, and sticking to it -- rather than making it so difficult you end up giving up (or making veganism looking impossible to others).Enjoy the cruise! Peace, Thea Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 I’m sorry to tell you guys this but 90% of the people who work in restaurants don’t care about their tables, especially picky ones. I know this is sad and may just be the ghetto restaurant I worked at. I don’t know about cruises, but a few of my work buddies have done fine dinning, and cruise type serving. But I over heard one of the trainers telling her trainee our red sauce is vegetarian, which has chicken broth in it. Yes the average vegetarian table didn’t care but a vegan table is much different. 50% of the people I worked with didn’t know there was a big difference between vegan and vegetarian until I went vegan. So just be aware, if your server seems like a 23-year-old college student and is not vegan or veggie ask for an independents list (every server should have one at most restaurants). That’s just my two cents about eating in an eater’s world. N-J --- Thea Langsam <thea_langsam wrote: > Hi Kim, > As was pointed out at a Peta conference I went to, > it's basically impossible for any of us to live > without harming other living beings in some way. I > try to do the best that I can to maintain a vegan > lifestyle. I do not knowingly eat or wear any > animal products and I read labels and ask questions. > But if you can't tell that bread, pasta, veggies, > etc., have been cooked in animal fat or broth, or > butter, and if the wait staff tells you they > haven't, I recommend you just enjoy the meal. In my > opinion, we can make veganism impossible or > miserable by worrying too much about whether there's > any miniscule amount of animal product in what we > eat. You'll serve animals better in the long run, I > think, by doing the best you can, feeling good about > that, and sticking to it -- rather than making it so > difficult you end up giving up (or making veganism > looking impossible to others). > Enjoy the cruise! > Peace, > Thea > > > > Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Hey guys I ment to say " ingredients list " ! Sorry!! N-J --- Karen <karen wrote: > Hi, NJ. > I have never heard of an " independents list " . What > is that? > Thanks. > Karen > > , Njeri <peta2rox > wrote: > > > > I'm sorry to tell you guys this but 90% of the > people > > who work in restaurants don't care about their > tables, > > especially picky ones. I know this is sad and may > > just be the ghetto restaurant I worked at. I > don't > > know about cruises, but a few of my work buddies > have > > done fine dinning, and cruise type serving. But I > > over heard one of the trainers telling her trainee > our > > red sauce is vegetarian, which has chicken broth > in > > it. Yes the average vegetarian table didn't care > but > > a vegan table is much different. 50% of the > people I > > worked with didn't know there was a big difference > > between vegan and vegetarian until I went vegan. > So > > just be aware, if your server seems like a > 23-year-old > > college student and is not vegan or veggie ask for > an > > independents list (every server should have one at > > most restaurants). That's just my two cents about > > eating in an eater's world. > > > > N-J > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Amy wrote: -> hi kim, > i was on a cruise once and ended up eating nothing but fruit salad. > it was holland america and all the veggies were sauteed in animal > fat. i could smell and taste it. bring everything you can possibly > fit in your suitcase and stick to raw foods. even the rice and pasta > may be cooked in animal broth. remember, the staff on most > ships are indonesian or filipinos and they don't have knowledge > of vegan. > scuba dive for me! > peace, > amy > > Hi all: I beg to differ! The one cruise I have been on so far, was on a Holland ship, which does indeed have an Indonesian crew. However, Holland , like other average or better cruise lines, does emphasize food and consequently they are very sensitive to travelers' needs. On my cruise, I specified my needs as a strict vegan. Each evening my waiter would review with me possible choices for the next day's meals. I asked very specific questions, and felt fairly certain that I was getting honest responses. The chef even prepared a special version of a dessert for me on our final evening. I did however, do some educating. There was a grill bar that was always open, that offered veggie patties. I watched them preparing the patties on the same grill and explained why I would not eat vegan food prepared that way; they then prepared the patties in a separate facility for me. Similarly, I questioned the oil used for the fries, with good results. I also could request tofu prepared especially for me cooked to order in a separate pan at breakfast and lunch, as well as soy milk for my meals. Remember, good cruises cater to the needs of guests, and if they offer food which is certified kosher, for example, it is in their interest to offer vegetarians food that will not only satisfy requirements, but that will result in an memorable dining experience. (Other points about this particular cruise: it was an Olivia-hosted cruise, so that the Olivia staff intervened to ensure guest satisfaction. When I booked, I expressed my concern about the food, saying that I really felt that I should be able to enjoy my meals, rather than just having enough food to subsist on. I also wrote a lengthy letter in advance reviewing my dietary requirements, and through Olivia communicated with the Cruise staff regarding the importance of providing ingredients lists for buffet items. There were quite a few veg guests, and supposedly some other vegans, though I never met them. On the whole, I really enjoyed the food, the one exception being that there was very little in the way of desserts. Since I love my sweets, and also felt that part of a week of indulgence should include desserts, I brought cookies and several cakes with me. That worked out well, since the huge dessert buffets were not designed with vegans in mind, and having my own stash of sweets kept me from feeling totally left out. Other than that, I did not need snacks or soy milk, although I always carry it when traveling anyway. That said, I do agree that one never has any guarantee of how a kitchen prepares veg food, unless you are able to watch the kitchen constantly. If you eat manufactured food which is labeled " prepared on equipment shared with milk/fish/eggs... " you may consume traces of non-vegan items. Similarly, even if a server assures you that tofu burgers have their own grill, you are not guaranteed vegan food. If I taste something " off " in a supposedly vegan dish, I will question/send back my food until I am satisfied. If I find my request is not being taking seriously, and the issue is not simply one of kitchen education, I will not return to that restaurant. It also helps to know about various cuisines: so that , for example, you can request " no ghee " on your paratha at an Indian restaurant, or whether they put eggs in the naan; or double check that Thai cooks understand that fish paste is not vegan. Other than that, strictly vegan restaurants, or cooking in your own kitchen , are the only way you will really know what you are eating! Shelley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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