Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 > 3a. Re: New Study Answers Questions about the Vegan Diet, Calcium, and B > Posted by: " Karen " karen karen_ > Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:41 pm (PST) > Last month, a study was cited on this list about vegans having more > fractures than meat eaters and possible reasons that might occur. > Dr. McDougall has addressed that study in this month's McDougall > Newsletter, and I think his comments make a lot of sense. He > exchanged messages with one of the authors of the article, and I > found those exchanges very informative, as well. > [snip] > To read the entire article (I recommend it), use this link: > > http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/mar/defend.htm I'm the person who originally posted an article on BAV describing the results of the EPIC-Oxford study on bone fractures in vegans, to which Karen was responding. You can see the original article here: http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/bones In their correspondence linked from the post above, Dr. Timothy Key of EPIC-Oxford says to Dr. McDougall, " We don't think that our results should be taken as an argument to eat dairy products; simply that vegans do need to eat enough calcium. Would you agree with the UK EAR of 525 mg/d as a reasonable minimum? " In his article, Dr. McDougall doesn't provide an answer as to whether he agrees. In my opinion, 525 mg of calcium is not that much calcium. For most vegans not meeting that much, it would mean simply drinking a glass of fortified soymilk each day. You could also eat more greens and get additional calcium - but you have to do it, you can't just rest assured knowing that greens have a lot of calcium without eating them every day. Even if the bone fracture study is wrong, adding 200 - 300 mg of calcium a day to an otherwise unfortified diet is very unlikely to do any harm. Vegans would still be below the U.S. Dietary Reference Intake. Dr. McDougall says, " The reason I believe this study found more fractures in the vegan group is these healthier, younger people were far more active and as a result sustained more injuries. Their increased physical activity leading to more fractures is noted by the fact that they were on average 11 years younger, were less fat (lower BMI), and were reported to walk, cycle and do other vigorous activities more than the meat, fish, and dairy groups. " As Dr. Key pointed out, the researchers tried to adjust the results for those factors. That's the best you can do - try to adjust for confounding variables. Dr. McDougall says, " [T]he authors of this study conclude calcium is the problem and this is based on findings in only 74 people with fractures following a vegan diet. " Duly noted. But this is the *only* study of vegans and bone fractures and it required thousands of participants and an enormous amount of work and time. Given that the results of the only study on bone fractures in vegans has resulted in higher fracture rates in vegans with calcium levels lower than 525 mg, it's something we might want to pay attention to. I'm just glad some people actually took the time and money to do such a study rather than for us to continue moving forward without any data on vegans. If you are vegan for animals, it seems vital to err on the side of caution so that others will view the vegan diet as healthy. It's a good thing enough vegans in the EPIC-Oxford study were getting more than 525 mg of calcium per day that there was a subset of vegans that had the same fracture rates as non-vegans (assuming calcium was the issue which, until proven otherwise, is the safest assumption, in my opinion). Dr. McDougall continues, " You should be asking, how could such meager and contradictory evidence be so influential? " Dr. Key points out, " [T]he optimal intake of calcium for preventing fractures has been controversial and the evidence is somewhat conflicting. " That means there is evidence on *both* sides. As someone who has followed a lot of the evidence over the years, I wasn't surprised when I heard the results of this study. Indeed, it was a relief to think that vegans probably don't have to get much more than 525 mg per day. I hope to get time to write an article detailing more of the contradictory evidence. For now, the most comprehensive study I've found on a related issue (dairy and bone fractures) is here: http://tinyurl.com/2b6l9j . Sincerely, Jack Norris, Registered Dietitian Vegan Outreach www.veganoutreach.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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