any thoughts about remarks towards eating plants

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I listed two veg'n restaurant to a group I belong to

that is looking for a new place to host their weekly

meeting. They had all these complaints about food

allergies etc to a previous restaurant hence the veg'n

suggestion. The lame thing is I am unsure if the

person who wrote back was trying to be funny or trying

to insult or or or...

Anyhow does anyone recieve similar remarks, what can

be retorted...

 

the other person wrote:

But nothing for those of us who *don't* eat vegetables

(I find it cruel

to cut down a defenseless plant that has no chance of

defense...)

 

 

 

 

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" I find it cruel to cut down a defenseless plant that has no chance of

defense... "

 

If this person really cares about the poor plants, he/she would

definitely become vegan, since far fewer plants must be cut down to

provide vegan food than animal food.

 

I find it very disturbing when people draw a parallel between the

suffering of animals and the " suffering of plants " . Will Tuttle has a

statement on this subject in his book, the World Peace Diet: " The

renowned ethologist Konrad Lorenz once remarked that anyone who

couldn't see the difference between chopping up a dog and chopping up a

lettuce should commit suicide for the benefit of society. "

 

Karen

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Hi Cocteau, I have heard comments like that before too. The best response I have heard is from a book by Joanne Stepaniak called Being Vegan in it she says that there is no scientific proof that plants feel pain since they have no brian or central nervous system. It would be useless for plants to have the ability to experience pain anyway since they are unable to escape from any threat unlike animals. GwenCocteau Zikova <vampexorcized wrote: I listed two veg'n restaurant to a group I belong tothat is looking for a new place to host their weeklymeeting. They had all these complaints about foodallergies etc to a previous restaurant hence the veg'nsuggestion. The lame thing is I am unsure if theperson who wrote back was trying to be funny or tryingto insult or or or... Anyhow does anyone recieve similar remarks, what canbe retorted...the other person wrote:But nothing for those of us who *don't* eat vegetables(I find it cruelto cut down a defenseless plant that has no chance ofdefense...)________Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection.http://new.toolbar./toolbar/features/norton/index.php

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One way to handle these " jokes " (ha ha) is to take them at face

value, with a straight-forward reply:

 

" Are you able to able eat marinara sauce (tomatoes), steak fries

(potatoes), teriyaki sauce (soy beans), etc., or do you avoid all

plant products? I'm afraid I can't think of any restaurants that

don't serve plant products. "

 

--Candace

 

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> Cocteau Zikova <vampexorcized wrote:

> I listed two veg'n restaurant to a group I belong to

> that is looking for a new place to host their weekly

> meeting. They had all these complaints about food

> allergies etc to a previous restaurant hence the veg'n

> suggestion. The lame thing is I am unsure if the

> person who wrote back was trying to be funny or trying

> to insult or or or...

> Anyhow does anyone recieve similar remarks, what can

> be retorted...

>

> the other person wrote:

> But nothing for those of us who *don't* eat vegetables

> (I find it cruel

> to cut down a defenseless plant that has no chance of

> defense...)

>

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[Guest guest]

That is really ironic to hear a meat-eater saying "I find it cruel to cut down a defenseless plant that has no chance of defense..." No wonder it was via email, they could not say that honestly and with a straight face in person! But if a person does ask seriously

"What about plants? Don't plants have feelings too?"

Then we should be prepared with a serious answer. Here's one from the United Poultry Concerns website (and if you google, I'm sure you'll find responses from other groups who maintan answers to Frequently Asked Questions)

"It is very possible that plants have sensitivities that we do not yet understand. Because plants do not have nervous systems and cannot run away from predators, it has generally been assumed that they do not experience pain and suffering. Recent scientific evidence suggests that this assumption may be incorrect. However, we do know that birds and other nonhuman vertebrates have well- developed nervous systems and pain receptors the same as humans. Like us, they show pleasure and pain and they present comparable evidence of fear and well-being. Animals cry out in pain, they nurse wounded body parts, and they seek to avoid those who have hurt them in the past.

In order to live, one has to eat. However, when we eat animal products, we consume many more plants indirectly than if we ate those plants directly, because the animals we eat are fed huge quantities of grasses, grains, and seeds to be converted into meat, milk, and eggs. As a vegan (one who eats no animal products) you cause fewer beings to suffer and die for you. "Excerpted from - http://upc-online.org/ethics_questions.html#top)

Other questions also answered on the United Poultry Concerns link above include:Won't animals overrun the earth?Farm animals can't survive on their own.Is confinement so terrible?Badly treated animals are less productive.What's the difference? -- they're going to die anyway.God created animals for us to use.Aren't humans natural meat-eaters?There's no such thing as cruelty-free food!What's wrong with eggs and milk?What about jobs?What about human problems?Forget about ethics.

Cheers,Tammy

If slaughterhouses had glass walls, we'd all be vegetarians. - Linda McCartney

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I'll share my answer, knowing that I combine the scientific and the

metaphysical points of view together.

 

Scientific background: Plants do react to pain; few years ago I saw a

PBS documentary where scientist monitored plants with wires like the

electrocardiograms done on people.

 

On that experiment, it shows that after someone cut a peace of plant,

the plant gave no-harmonic wave vibrations and the plant would

recognize the person in the room if he/she was to enter the room

again, and emit negative wave vibrations again.

 

Also, when a person sings or talks to a plant, the wave vibrations of

the plant were harmonic and the plant grows faster and healthier.

 

Metaphysical answer: The ideal would be to eat only the gifts that the

plants give us, which are the fruits. Until we get there as humanity,

we need to eat them but with the attitude of thanks, realizing that

when we eat them, there is a symbiosis on the plants, they absorb our

higher vibrations and they give us the nutrient that we need. There

lies the true communion, a common-union of transfer of energies, where

we benefit from each other more that the damage that we do to them.

 

From what I've read from the elders of old civilizations and

metaphysical studies:

 

Everything is vibration; everything is in a process of evolution.

 

The minerals as the first level of creation, then the plants with some

kind of memory, then there is some plants that start to eat others

reaching a level between plants and animals. This is the first level

of consciousness.

 

At the level of animals, they have group consciousness (soul group),

that's why all of the sudden the animals make a turn at the same time,

such as the birds, the fish, etc. This is the second dimension of

consciousness.

 

Then eventually, some of these consciousnesses are ready to have

experience at the individual level, and it becomes a new human soul.

But born in an environment closer to nature, such as in the middle of

a jungle, etc. Our humanity is at the 3rd dimension of consciousness.

 

Eventually after many reincarnations, after learning many lessons,

we'll graduate and we will go to the next level (4th dimension),

according to the Mayas, Incas, Astrology, the prophets, etc. we are at

the portal of the new humanity going into 4th dimension of consciousness.

 

For some scientific and metaphysical references, some of my favorite

authors are Dr Gabriel Cousens (Conscious eating), and Dr Deepak

Chopra, both medical doctors and metaphysical gurus.

 

In conclusion, we need to respect all.

 

Peace.

 

Rafael

 

BTW, I started a new blog to share my metaphysical points of view:

http://modernmysticism.blogspot.com/

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i've heard that plants grow better when you talk or sing to them because of the carbon dioxide we exhale which plants use for photosynthesis. just like how inhaling pure oxygen can be invigorating, plants benefit from pure carbon dioxide.

Rafael <mantras333 Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 7:21:22 PM Re: any thoughts about remarks towards eating plants

 

I'll share my answer, knowing that I combine the scientific and themetaphysical points of view together. Scientific background: Plants do react to pain; few years ago I saw aPBS documentary where scientist monitored plants with wires like theelectrocardiograms done on people. On that experiment, it shows that after someone cut a peace of plant,the plant gave no-harmonic wave vibrations and the plant wouldrecognize the person in the room if he/she was to enter the roomagain, and emit negative wave vibrations again.Also, when a person sings or talks to a plant, the wave vibrations ofthe plant were harmonic and the plant grows faster and healthier.Metaphysical answer: The ideal would be to eat only the gifts that theplants give us, which are the fruits. Until we get there as humanity,we need to eat them but with the attitude of thanks, realizing thatwhen we eat them, there is a symbiosis on the plants,

they absorb ourhigher vibrations and they give us the nutrient that we need. Therelies the true communion, a common-union of transfer of energies, wherewe benefit from each other more that the damage that we do to them.From what I've read from the elders of old civilizations andmetaphysical studies:Everything is vibration; everything is in a process of evolution.The minerals as the first level of creation, then the plants with somekind of memory, then there is some plants that start to eat othersreaching a level between plants and animals. This is the first levelof consciousness.At the level of animals, they have group consciousness (soul group),that's why all of the sudden the animals make a turn at the same time,such as the birds, the fish, etc. This is the second dimension ofconsciousness.Then eventually, some of these consciousnesses are ready to haveexperience at the individual level,

and it becomes a new human soul.But born in an environment closer to nature, such as in the middle ofa jungle, etc. Our humanity is at the 3rd dimension of consciousness.Eventually after many reincarnations, after learning many lessons,we'll graduate and we will go to the next level (4th dimension),according to the Mayas, Incas, Astrology, the prophets, etc. we are atthe portal of the new humanity going into 4th dimension of consciousness.For some scientific and metaphysical references, some of my favoriteauthors are Dr Gabriel Cousens (Conscious eating), and Dr DeepakChopra, both medical doctors and metaphysical gurus.In conclusion, we need to respect all.Peace.RafaelBTW, I started a new blog to share my metaphysical points of view:http://modernmystic ism.blogspot.

com/

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