Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Hi All.http://www.yelp.com/biz/the-moss-room-san-francisco They pride themselves on being a 100% green building and helping the environment. Of course, they do have live animals there.I have not eaten there yet. There is a cafeteria style cafe. There is also a full service restaurant: The Moss Room. I have not eaten there yet. I do plan to call and ask if they have vegan options at either place.But, from the link above where diners are rating The Moss Room, no vegan or vegetarian entries are mentioned. Fish, veal, etc. are served. It's very disappointing. I am thinking that some letters and phone calls are called for. Especially if you are a member, you have members' clout, but even if you are a local resident, I'm thinking that the Academy of Sciences might listen. Lisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Wow, I can't believe they would go so far as to serve veal. Would welcome others opinions from an animal/veg perspective as I would like to visit the museum, though I am concerned about the live animals there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Emily Penne <ekpenne wrote: Wow, I can't believe they would go so far as to serve veal. Would welcome others opinions from an animal/veg perspective as I would like to visit the museum, though I am concerned about the live animals there. Emily & All,Yes, The live animals at the Academy of Sciences obviously present a problem just by their presence. But they are promoting sustainability so more vegan food is better than nothing, and letters can be written to them about all issues. I do notice they have some vegan options including food from Alive! and Tom Peasant Pies, etc. They also have " sustainable fish. " I will be writing and calling. They are boasting that it's the largest " green " building (in the U.S.?) and care about sustainability, so at least they can be approached from that angle. I suspect the animal rights stuff will be more challenging, but still worth pursuing. I talked to someone who worked there who informed me that the penguins were very happy. Just one interaction. Lisa -- " Animals are my friends and I don't eat my friends " - George Bernard Shaw " The reasonable (person) adapts (herself/himself) to the world; the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to (herself/himself). Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable (person). " - George Bernard Shaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Hello Emily! > Wow, I can't believe they would go so far as > to serve veal. Would welcome others opinions > from an animal/veg perspective as I would like > to visit the museum, though I am concerned > about the live animals there. Thank you for being so concerned about the Academy of Science's serving of veal and use of live animals. A quick aside: Veal has been marketed to us vegetarians and vegans as the worst of the animal products humans consume, but an increasing number of people, including myself, see any use of an unconsenting individual, whether the use of live animals or serving chicken, fish, dairy or veal, to be equally objectionable since they are all based on the premise that animals are ours to use. This view that all animal use is equally objectionable corresponds more closely with many people's intuitions about ethical veganism. From a practical standpoint, I suggest telling the Academy of Sciences how you feel about the ways in which they exploit animals and asking them to end their participation in that exploitation. This is a way of translating your very valid and serious concerns into action. For myself, the use of live animals is a deal breaker and I would not visit the AoS so long as they are using non-human animals in that way. However, I recognize the line is personally drawn, as I would still, e.g., patronize a non-vegan restaurant, and I suggest you use your heart as a guide. Should you decide to go, I suggest checking in with yourself afterwards to see if it's a decision that worked for you as a way of clarifying your thoughts for future ethical choices. Victor --- The Vegan Ideal: http://theveganideal.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Hi all,I'm a vegetarian for environmental reasons, and i am disgusted that a museum boasting to be one of the largest green buildings would serve food that is the number one culprit to this country's soil, air and water pollution. are they really that ignorant?! i'm so disheartened. thanks for bringing this to our attention-- i'm definitely writing a letter.best, Emily & All, Yes, The live animals at the Academy of Sciences obviously present a problem just by their presence. But they are promoting sustainability so more vegan food is better than nothing, and letters can be written to them about all issues. I do notice they have some vegan options including food from Alive! and Tom Peasant Pies, etc. They also have " sustainable fish. " I will be writing and calling. They are boasting that it's the largest " green " building (in the U.S.?) and care about sustainability, so at least they can be approached from that angle. I suspect the animal rights stuff will be more challenging, but still worth pursuing. I talked to someone who worked there who informed me that the penguins were very happy. Just one interaction. LisaOn Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:16 PM, vytsou <vytsou wrote: Hello Emily! > Wow, I can't believe they would go so far as > to serve veal. Would welcome others opinions > from an animal/veg perspective as I would like > to visit the museum, though I am concerned > about the live animals there. Thank you for being so concerned about the Academy of Science's serving of veal and use of live animals. A quick aside: Veal has been marketed to us vegetarians and vegans as the worst of the animal products humans consume, but an increasing number of people, including myself, see any use of an unconsenting individual, whether the use of live animals or serving chicken, fish, dairy or veal, to be equally objectionable since they are all based on the premise that animals are ours to use. This view that all animal use is equally objectionable corresponds more closely with many people's intuitions about ethical veganism. From a practical standpoint, I suggest telling the Academy of Sciences how you feel about the ways in which they exploit animals and asking them to end their participation in that exploitation. This is a way of translating your very valid and serious concerns into action. For myself, the use of live animals is a deal breaker and I would not visit the AoS so long as they are using non-human animals in that way. However, I recognize the line is personally drawn, as I would still, e.g., patronize a non-vegan restaurant, and I suggest you use your heart as a guide. Should you decide to go, I suggest checking in with yourself afterwards to see if it's a decision that worked for you as a way of clarifying your thoughts for future ethical choices. Victor --- The Vegan Ideal: http://theveganideal.blogspot.com/ -- M. MelloBecause I always have something to say: VOTE YES ON PROP 2 http://www.uncaged.yesonprop2.com/ http://www.womenagainstsarahpalin.blogspot.com/ " I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. " -- Thomas Jefferson 1802 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 It looks like VEAL is no longer on the menu at the Academy of Sciences: http://www.calacademy.org/visit/plan_a_visit/. Scroll down to the dining section and you can read their menus. See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 >> It looks like VEAL is no longer on the menu at the Academy of Sciences:http://www.calacademy.org/visit/plan_a_visit/. Scroll down to the dining section and you can read their menus. << Ariana and All, Thank for the links Ariana. Even if the veal is off, those menus are extremely heavy on animal products foods and are therefore bad for the environment. The Academy has a list of sustainable fish to eat; my opinion is that no fish are good to eat from an environmental standpoint. (I am vegan for animal suffering reasons but I do care about the environment too.) Lisa -- " Animals are my friends and I don't eat my friends " - George Bernard Shaw"The reasonable (person) adapts (herself/himself) to the world; the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to (herself/himself). Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable (person)." - George Bernard Shaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 6 months ago, I wrote to the Directory of the Academy to complain about their unsubstainable meaty choices in their food. He hasn't replied to my email. they now have a survey www.calacademy.org/survey it will ask you about a lot about the exhibits, so need to know a bit about the place.. If you are a cool person, and don't believe in supporting them you can join me as a guest, ....if you give a donation to Bayveg. (I can forward your check). I can let 1 adult and 2 kids in. Doesn't matter what gender you are, or what age. Most likely I'll drop you off to check it out yourself, since i've been there 10 times already. I'm an older person but have a spirit of a very young person. == here's a sample of what I wrote to the Academy. Sorry for my poor writing skills. The food served is expensive and not sustainable. A vegan diet is the best. I was on the roof top garden during lunch time. I was forced to smell all the kitchen smells, that I felt like I was going to gage (NO JOKE) Change to a vegan menu, which is the best for the planet. One your the museum display proved that, that is TRUE. (the display with rubber/fake foods, with sustainable ratings on it. Beef had the worse rating) Slanted Door Chef who created the menu doesn't care about the environment. All his restaurants serve mostly meat including beef,, One month after the Academy opened, Slanted door opened a new restaurant and was bragging about his beef dishes in the newspaper. (I can confirm it by sending you the article) below is the full archived article so you can see what I'm talking about. (after some pressure, veal is no longer served) winnie, , " Lisa Herzstein " <lisavegansf wrote: > > Hi All. > > http://www.yelp.com/biz/the-moss-room-san-francisco > > They pride themselves on being a 100% green building and helping the > environment. Of course, they do have live animals there. > > I have not eaten there yet. There is a cafeteria style cafe. There is also a > full service restaurant: The Moss Room. I have not eaten there yet. > > I do plan to call and ask if they have vegan options at either place. > > But, from the link above where diners are rating The Moss Room, no vegan or > vegetarian entries are mentioned. Fish, veal, etc. are served. It's very > disappointing. > > I am thinking that some letters and phone calls are called for. Especially > if you are a member, you have members' clout, but even if you are a local > resident, I'm thinking that the Academy of Sciences might listen. > > Lisa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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