The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

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The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

(NaturalNews) With vegetarianism gaining increasing popularity from the 1970's, reaching its peak in the 1990's, soy has emerged as a 'near perfect' food, with supporters claiming it can provide an ideal source of protein, lower cholesterol, protect against cancer and heart disease, reduce menopausal symptoms, and prevent osteoporosis - among many other things. It seems like a good thing - or is it really?

How did such a 'healthy food' emerge from a product that in 1913 was listed in the U.S. Department ofAgriculture (USDA) handbook not as a food but as an industrial product?According to lipid specialist and nutritionist Mary Enig, PhD, " The reason there's so much soy in America is because the soy industry started to plant soy to extract the oil from it and soy oil became a very large industry. " There was a lot of soy oil and with it came a lot of soy protein residue as a left over by-product, and since they couldn't feed it to the animals, except in small amounts, they had to find another big market which, of course, was human consumption.

This excess soy production and its protein residue was the motivation for the multi-million dollars spent on advertising and intense lobbying of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which resulted in about 74 percent of U.S. consumers believing that soy products are healthy. Australia has traditionally prided itself as being a dairy consuming nation, due to the fact that we have such abundant supply of cattle. However, lactose intolerance is becoming a health concern recognised by the medical profession; accordingly, soy is becoming very popular as an alternative to dairy, following in the footsteps of US consumers in believing that all soy-based products have health benefits. In reality, the research that has concluded that all soy products are healthy is far from accurate, and very much skewed by economic motives.

 

Read the entire article here: http://www.naturalnews.com/022630.html

 

Staci in Oregon

[Guest guest]

one of many such articles ( usualy paid for or backed by the meat & dairy industry )

Peter H

 

 

Staci Doctor <StacidVegan Chat Tuesday, 12 February, 2008 5:50:23 PM The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

 

The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

(NaturalNews) With vegetarianism gaining increasing popularity from the 1970's, reaching its peak in the 1990's, soy has emerged as a 'near perfect' food, with supporters claiming it can provide an ideal source of protein, lower cholesterol, protect against cancer and heart disease, reduce menopausal symptoms, and prevent osteoporosis - among many other things. It seems like a good thing - or is it really?

How did such a 'healthy food' emerge from a product that in 1913 was listed in the U.S. Department ofAgriculture (USDA) handbook not as a food but as an industrial product?According to lipid specialist and nutritionist Mary Enig, PhD, "The reason there's so much soy in America is because the soy industry started to plant soy to extract the oil from it and soy oil became a very large industry." There was a lot of soy oil and with it came a lot of soy protein residue as a left over by-product, and since they couldn't feed it to the animals, except in small amounts, they had to find another big market which, of course, was human consumption.This excess soy production and its protein residue was the motivation for the multi-million dollars spent on advertising and intense lobbying of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which resulted in about 74 percent of U.S. consumers believing that soy products are healthy. Australia has traditionally prided itself as being a dairy consuming nation, due to the fact that we have such abundant supply of cattle. However, lactose intolerance is becoming a health concern recognised by the

medical profession; accordingly, soy is becoming very popular as an alternative to dairy, following in the footsteps of US consumers in believing that all soy-based products have health benefits. In reality, the research that has concluded that all soy products are healthy is far from accurate, and very much skewed by economic motives.

 

Read the entire article here: http://www.naturaln ews.com/022630. html

 

 

Staci in Oregon

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mary enig...big Weston Price spokesflake....so, tells you where this comes from.............

Peter VV Feb 12, 2008 10:19 AM Re: The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

 

 

 

 

 

one of many such articles ( usualy paid for or backed by the meat & dairy industry )

Peter H

 

 

Staci Doctor <Stacid >Vegan Chat Tuesday, 12 February, 2008 5:50:23 PM The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

 

The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

(NaturalNews) With vegetarianism gaining increasing popularity from the 1970's, reaching its peak in the 1990's, soy has emerged as a 'near perfect' food, with supporters claiming it can provide an ideal source of protein, lower cholesterol, protect against cancer and heart disease, reduce menopausal symptoms, and prevent osteoporosis - among many other things. It seems like a good thing - or is it really?

How did such a 'healthy food' emerge from a product that in 1913 was listed in the U.S. Department ofAgriculture (USDA) handbook not as a food but as an industrial product?According to lipid specialist and nutritionist Mary Enig, PhD, "The reason there's so much soy in America is because the soy industry started to plant soy to extract the oil from it and soy oil became a very large industry." There was a lot of soy oil and with it came a lot of soy protein residue as a left over by-product, and since they couldn't feed it to the animals, except in small amounts, they had to find another big market which, of course, was human consumption.This excess soy production and its protein residue was the motivation for the multi-million dollars spent on advertising and intense lobbying of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which resulted in about 74 percent of U.S. consumers believing that soy products are healthy. Australia has traditionally prided itself as being a dairy consuming nation, due to the fact that we have such abundant supply of cattle. However, lactose intolerance is becoming a health concern recognised by the medical profession; accordingly, soy is becoming very popular as an alternative to dairy, following in the footsteps of US consumers in believing that all soy-based products have health benefits. In reality, the research that has concluded that all soy products are healthy is far from accurate, and very much skewed by economic motives.

 

Read the entire article here: http://www.naturaln ews.com/022630. html

 

 

Staci in Oregon

 

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staci:

 

i'm not sure if you're

 

1. trolling this group

2. a shill for weston price

3. legitimately concerned about the so called " soy alerts "

4. just uninformed

 

i don't have time to get into it right now, but the article you sent

verbatim from " naturalnews.com " is nothing more than a rehash of the

weston price foundation's disinformation about soy. i read the

article, and the citations are to the weston price website, which is

chock full of the most misleading and flat out wrong statements about

health, diet, and culture that you can find online. they are a

borderline cult, which i'm familiar with based on personal

experience, unfortunately.

 

so if you're already committed to this point of view, then you've got

no reason to be a part of this group. if you're not, you're welcome

to contribute i suppose, but shock articles like this are not

appreciated, in my view.

 

regards,

 

blake

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Oriental countries have eaten soy for centuries and they don't seem to have a shorter lifespan than people in Australia, America or Britain.

 

Jo

 

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Vegan Chat

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:50 PM

The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

(NaturalNews) With vegetarianism gaining increasing popularity from the 1970's, reaching its peak in the 1990's, soy has emerged as a 'near perfect' food, with supporters claiming it can provide an ideal source of protein, lower cholesterol, protect against cancer and heart disease, reduce menopausal symptoms, and prevent osteoporosis - among many other things. It seems like a good thing - or is it really?

How did such a 'healthy food' emerge from a product that in 1913 was listed in the U.S. Department ofAgriculture (USDA) handbook not as a food but as an industrial product?According to lipid specialist and nutritionist Mary Enig, PhD, "The reason there's so much soy in America is because the soy industry started to plant soy to extract the oil from it and soy oil became a very large industry." There was a lot of soy oil and with it came a lot of soy protein residue as a left over by-product, and since they couldn't feed it to the animals, except in small amounts, they had to find another big market which, of course, was human consumption.This excess soy production and its protein residue was the motivation for the multi-million dollars spent on advertising and intense lobbying of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which resulted in about 74 percent of U.S. consumers believing that soy products are healthy. Australia has traditionally prided itself as being a dairy consuming nation, due to the fact that we have such abundant supply of cattle. However, lactose intolerance is becoming a health concern recognised by the medical profession; accordingly, soy is becoming very popular as an alternative to dairy, following in the footsteps of US consumers in believing that all soy-based products have health benefits. In reality, the research that has concluded that all soy products are healthy is far from accurate, and very much skewed by economic motives.

 

Read the entire article here: http://www.naturalnews.com/022630.html

 

 

Staci in Oregon

[Guest guest]



Hi Fraggle

 

For us Brits - who is Weston Price?

 

Jo

 

 

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fraggle

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:22 PM

Re: The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

mary enig...big Weston Price spokesflake....so, tells you where this comes from.............

Peter VV Feb 12, 2008 10:19 AM Re: The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

 

 

 

 

 

one of many such articles ( usualy paid for or backed by the meat & dairy industry )

Peter H

 

 

Staci Doctor <Stacid >Vegan Chat Tuesday, 12 February, 2008 5:50:23 PM The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

 

The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

(NaturalNews) With vegetarianism gaining increasing popularity from the 1970's, reaching its peak in the 1990's, soy has emerged as a 'near perfect' food, with supporters claiming it can provide an ideal source of protein, lower cholesterol, protect against cancer and heart disease, reduce menopausal symptoms, and prevent osteoporosis - among many other things. It seems like a good thing - or is it really?

How did such a 'healthy food' emerge from a product that in 1913 was listed in the U.S. Department ofAgriculture (USDA) handbook not as a food but as an industrial product?According to lipid specialist and nutritionist Mary Enig, PhD, "The reason there's so much soy in America is because the soy industry started to plant soy to extract the oil from it and soy oil became a very large industry." There was a lot of soy oil and with it came a lot of soy protein residue as a left over by-product, and since they couldn't feed it to the animals, except in small amounts, they had to find another big market which, of course, was human consumption.This excess soy production and its protein residue was the motivation for the multi-million dollars spent on advertising and intense lobbying of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which resulted in about 74 percent of U.S. consumers believing that soy products are healthy. Australia has traditionally prided itself as being a dairy consuming nation, due to the fact that we have such abundant supply of cattle. However, lactose intolerance is becoming a health concern recognised by the medical profession; accordingly, soy is becoming very popular as an alternative to dairy, following in the footsteps of US consumers in believing that all soy-based products have health benefits. In reality, the research that has concluded that all soy products are healthy is far from accurate, and very much skewed by economic motives.

 

Read the entire article here: http://www.naturaln ews.com/022630. html

 

 

Staci in Oregon

 

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we've talked about em here before

organization out of NY, which advocates the "neantherthal diet"

while they are against sugar and processed foods, they are also big into "you need to eat more meat, more butter, more dairy!"

the founder, weston price, was a dentist like back in the 30's...

jo Feb 12, 2008 11:17 AM Re: The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

 

 

 Hi Fraggle

 

For us Brits - who is Weston Price?

 

Jo

 

 

-

fraggle

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:22 PM

Re: The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

mary enig...big Weston Price spokesflake....so, tells you where this comes from.............

Peter VV Feb 12, 2008 10:19 AM Re: The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

 

 

 

 

 

one of many such articles ( usualy paid for or backed by the meat & dairy industry )

Peter H

 

 

Staci Doctor <Stacid >Vegan Chat Tuesday, 12 February, 2008 5:50:23 PM The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

 

The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

(NaturalNews) With vegetarianism gaining increasing popularity from the 1970's, reaching its peak in the 1990's, soy has emerged as a 'near perfect' food, with supporters claiming it can provide an ideal source of protein, lower cholesterol, protect against cancer and heart disease, reduce menopausal symptoms, and prevent osteoporosis - among many other things. It seems like a good thing - or is it really?

How did such a 'healthy food' emerge from a product that in 1913 was listed in the U.S. Department ofAgriculture (USDA) handbook not as a food but as an industrial product?According to lipid specialist and nutritionist Mary Enig, PhD, "The reason there's so much soy in America is because the soy industry started to plant soy to extract the oil from it and soy oil became a very large industry." There was a lot of soy oil and with it came a lot of soy protein residue as a left over by-product, and since they couldn't feed it to the animals, except in small amounts, they had to find another big market which, of course, was human consumption.This excess soy production and its protein residue was the motivation for the multi-million dollars spent on advertising and intense lobbying of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which resulted in about 74 percent of U.S. consumers believing that soy products are healthy. Australia has traditionally prided itself as being a dairy consuming nation, due to the fact that we have such abundant supply of cattle. However, lactose intolerance is becoming a health concern recognised by the medical profession; accordingly, soy is becoming very popular as an alternative to dairy, following in the footsteps of US consumers in believing that all soy-based products have health benefits. In reality, the research that has concluded that all soy products are healthy is far from accurate, and very much skewed by economic motives.

 

Read the entire article here: http://www.naturaln ews.com/022630. html

 

 

Staci in Oregon

 

Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Confucius

 

 

 

 

 

Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.

Confucius

[Guest guest]

I went to the natural news link. I see the author is on the Westom

Price Board. Those are the raw milk promotors. I also see " endorsed

by Dr. Mercola " Another raw milk promotor. Thse guys promote raw milk

and trash soy milk at every opportunity.

 

Also on the front page is a link to T Colin Campbell who says there is

big danger from milk and none from soy products. Campbell's China

Study was a 30 year study and considered the gold standard in

nutritional research. I'm no scientist, but I'm very comfortable in

the china study camp and very uncomfortable in the raw milk camp.

[Guest guest]

tis ok staci

we only learn by asking questions....

and, too much of ANYTHING isn't going to be good for you

unless its beer of course..beer is perfect

hahahahahahahahahahahahah

Diesel Girl Feb 12, 2008 12:09 PM Re: The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

 

 

Blake,Thanks for taking the time to respond to my orginal post of this article.I was unaware that is article was written by Anti-Soy "Pro-Meat" interests and was only trying to express genuine concern about the great "Soy Debate."I am very new (2.5 months) to the world of veganism and consume a healthy amount of tufu each day in salads and was surprised when I encountered information (on another vegan ) that eating too much soy was not necessarily healthy.Luckily someone in this group just posted another more informative email about soy products and their possible effects (good and bad) on health.So yes, I am still somewhat "uninformed" about the vegan lifestyle, but am eagerly reading as much as I can in an effort to become a more informed consumer and experienced member of the Vegan community.NO MORE Article posts for me since I am (as an inexperienced beginner) likely to step on even more toes with my obvious ignorance.SorryStaci in Oregon####################################### , Blake Wilson <mbw wrote:>> staci:> > i'm not sure if you're> > 1. trolling this group> 2. a shill for weston price> 3. legitimately concerned about the so called "soy alerts"> 4. just uninformed> > i don't have time to get into it right now, but the article you sent > verbatim from "naturalnews.com" is nothing more than a rehash of the > weston price foundation's disinformation about soy. i read the > article, and the citations are to the weston price website, which is > chock full of the most misleading and flat out wrong statements about > health, diet, and culture that you can find online. they are a > borderline cult, which i'm familiar with based on personal > experience, unfortunately.> > so if you're already committed to this point of view, then you've got > no reason to be a part of this group. if you're not, you're welcome > to contribute i suppose, but shock articles like this are not > appreciated, in my view.> > regards,> > blake>

 

 

 

 

Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.

Confucius

[Guest guest]

MStrong,

 

I d (about 1 month ago) to the Dr, Mercola online newsletter and have noticed that he does stress animal products from time to time which immediately turned me off. His latest article states that vitamin D supplements that are vegetable based are actually harmful and that animal based vitamin D supplements are much, much better for good health. Of course, I rolled my eyes when I read that this morning and seriously thought about (at that moment) unsubscribing to his newsletter.

 

Now that I have had time to think about his stance on the vitamin D issue, added to the information you just posted about his being a raw milk promoter, I am now on my way to from his online newsletter.

 

Thanks for sharing this information.

 

Staci in Oregon

On Feb 12, 2008 12:18 PM, mstrong56 <mstrong wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

I went to the natural news link. I see the author is on the Westom Price Board. Those are the raw milk promotors. I also see " endorsed by Dr. Mercola " Another raw milk promotor. Thse guys promote raw milk

and trash soy milk at every opportunity.Also on the front page is a link to T Colin Campbell who says there is big danger from milk and none from soy products. Campbell's China Study was a 30 year study and considered the gold standard in

nutritional research. I'm no scientist, but I'm very comfortable in the china study camp and very uncomfortable in the raw milk camp. -- "We spend more, but have less; we buy more, but enjoy it less. We have bigger houses and smaller families; more conveniences, but less time; we have more degrees, but less sense; more knowledge, but less judgment; more experts, but more problems; more medicine, but less wellness. We've added years to life, not life to years." - Anonymous

[Guest guest]

Listen to him, he speaks the truth.

Peter H

 

 

fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Tuesday, 12 February, 2008 8:26:24 PMRe: Re: The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

 

tis ok staci

we only learn by asking questions... .

and, too much of ANYTHING isn't going to be good for you

unless its beer of course..beer is perfect

hahahahahahahahahah ahahah

Diesel Girl Feb 12, 2008 12:09 PM @gro ups.com Re: The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

 

 

Blake,Thanks for taking the time to respond to my orginal post of this article.I was unaware that is article was written by Anti-Soy "Pro-Meat" interests and was only trying to express genuine concern about the great "Soy Debate."I am very new (2.5 months) to the world of veganism and consume a healthy amount of tufu each day in salads and was surprised when I encountered information (on another vegan ) that eating too much soy was not necessarily healthy.Luckily someone in this group just posted another more informative email about soy products and their possible effects (good and bad) on health.So yes, I am still somewhat "uninformed" about the vegan lifestyle, but am eagerly reading as much as I can in an effort to become a more informed consumer and experienced member of the Vegan community.NO MORE Article posts for me since I am (as an inexperienced

beginner) likely to step on even more toes with my obvious ignorance.SorryStaci in Oregon############ ######### ######### #########@gro ups.com, Blake Wilson <mbw wrote:>> staci:> > i'm not sure if you're> > 1. trolling this group> 2. a shill for weston price> 3. legitimately concerned about the so called "soy alerts"> 4. just uninformed> > i don't have time to get into it right now, but the article you sent > verbatim from "naturalnews. com" is nothing more than a rehash of the > weston price foundation's disinformation about soy. i read the > article, and the citations are to the weston price website, which is > chock full of the most misleading and flat

out wrong statements about > health, diet, and culture that you can find online. they are a > borderline cult, which i'm familiar with based on personal > experience, unfortunately.> > so if you're already committed to this point of view, then you've got > no reason to be a part of this group. if you're not, you're welcome > to contribute i suppose, but shock articles like this are not > appreciated, in my view.> > regards,> > blake>

Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Confucius

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Hey Staci,

No problem, you post whatever you like, let the moderators decide whats right or wrong here. I would rather encourage as many varied posts as possible, and if someone complains , then deal with it at the time rather thanpre-empt any possible upsets. Glad you are on here, keep em comin!

Peter H

 

 

Diesel Girl <Stacid Sent: Tuesday, 12 February, 2008 8:09:49 PM Re: The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

Blake,Thanks for taking the time to respond to my orginal post of this article.I was unaware that is article was written by Anti-Soy "Pro-Meat" interests and was only trying to express genuine concern about the great "Soy Debate."I am very new (2.5 months) to the world of veganism and consume a healthy amount of tufu each day in salads and was surprised when I encountered information (on another vegan ) that eating too much soy was not necessarily healthy.Luckily someone in this group just posted another more informative email about soy products and their possible effects (good and bad) on health.So yes, I am still somewhat "uninformed" about the vegan lifestyle, but am eagerly reading as much as I can in an effort to become a more informed consumer and experienced member of the Vegan community.NO MORE Article posts for me since I am (as an inexperienced

beginner) likely to step on even more toes with my obvious ignorance.SorryStaci in Oregon############ ######### ######### #########@gro ups.com, Blake Wilson <mbw wrote:>> staci:> > i'm not sure if you're> > 1. trolling this group> 2. a shill for weston price> 3. legitimately concerned about the so called "soy alerts"> 4. just uninformed> > i don't have time to get into it right now, but the article you sent > verbatim from "naturalnews. com" is nothing more than a rehash of the > weston price foundation's disinformation about soy. i read the > article, and the citations are to the weston price website, which is > chock full of the most misleading and flat

out wrong statements about > health, diet, and culture that you can find online. they are a > borderline cult, which i'm familiar with based on personal > experience, unfortunately.> > so if you're already committed to this point of view, then you've got > no reason to be a part of this group. if you're not, you're welcome > to contribute i suppose, but shock articles like this are not > appreciated, in my view.> > regards,> > blake>

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Has anyone tried and even made oat milk or other grain milks? I love soy and rice milk. I'd like more variety, though.

 

Thanks!

Kim

 

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Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:30 PM

Re: Re: The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

 

 

MStrong,

 

I d (about 1 month ago) to the Dr, Mercola online newsletter and have noticed that he does stress animal products from time to time which immediately turned me off. His latest article states that vitamin D supplements that are vegetable based are actually harmful and that animal based vitamin D supplements are much, much better for good health. Of course, I rolled my eyes when I read that this morning and seriously thought about (at that moment) unsubscribing to his newsletter.

 

Now that I have had time to think about his stance on the vitamin D issue, added to the information you just posted about his being a raw milk promoter, I am now on my way to from his online newsletter.

 

Thanks for sharing this information.

 

Staci in Oregon

On Feb 12, 2008 12:18 PM, mstrong56 <mstrong (AT) jlielectronics (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

I went to the natural news link. I see the author is on the Westom Price Board. Those are the raw milk promotors. I also see "endorsed by Dr. Mercola" Another raw milk promotor. Thse guys promote raw milk and trash soy milk at every opportunity.Also on the front page is a link to T Colin Campbell who says there is big danger from milk and none from soy products. Campbell's China Study was a 30 year study and considered the gold standard in nutritional research. I'm no scientist, but I'm very comfortable in the china study camp and very uncomfortable in the raw milk camp. -- "We spend more, but have less; we buy more, but enjoy it less. We have bigger houses and smaller families; more conveniences, but less time; we have more degrees, but less sense; more knowledge, but less judgment; more experts, but more problems; more medicine, but less wellness. We've added years to life, not life to years." - Anonymous

[Guest guest]

mstrong56 wrote:

 

>I went to the natural news link. I see the author is on the Westom

>Price Board. Those are the raw milk promotors. I also see " endorsed

>by Dr. Mercola " Another raw milk promotor. Thse guys promote raw milk

>and trash soy milk at every opportunity.

>

>Also on the front page is a link to T Colin Campbell who says there is

>big danger from milk and none from soy products. Campbell's China

>Study was a 30 year study and considered the gold standard in

>nutritional research. I'm no scientist, but I'm very comfortable in

>the china study camp and very uncomfortable in the raw milk camp.

>

>

>

 

People on the list might also want to read Dr. McDougall's article on

soy at

 

http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/april/050400pusoy.htm

 

 

Traditional soy products are just fine, used properly.

 

Aly

[Guest guest]

HI Staci

 

Please do post any articles that you think are interesting, or make

you wonder. If you had not posted the article here you might be so

worried that you decided not to eat soya - and that wouldn't do,

would it :-)

 

I have a friend who eats half a slab of tofu every day, and has done

for decades. She is as fit and healthy as could be, and something

high up in the Vegan Society.

 

I believe if you are having thyroid problems eating lots of soya

every day could make the problem a little worse, but that is the only

situation I know of where it could happen.

 

As I said before - oriental countries eat a lot of soya and they seem

okay on it.

 

Anyway - please keep posting - we need new voices to add to the few

who keep us chatting :-)

 

Jo

 

, " Diesel Girl " <Stacid wrote:

>

> Blake,

>

> Thanks for taking the time to respond to my orginal post of this

> article.

>

> I was unaware that is article was written by Anti-Soy " Pro-Meat "

> interests and was only trying to express genuine concern about the

> great " Soy Debate. "

>

> I am very new (2.5 months) to the world of veganism and consume a

> healthy amount of tufu each day in salads and was surprised when I

> encountered information (on another vegan ) that eating

> too much soy was not necessarily healthy.

>

> Luckily someone in this group just posted another more informative

> email about soy products and their possible effects (good and bad)

on

> health.

>

> So yes, I am still somewhat " uninformed " about the vegan lifestyle,

> but am eagerly reading as much as I can in an effort to become a

more

> informed consumer and experienced member of the Vegan community.

>

> NO MORE Article posts for me since I am (as an inexperienced

> beginner) likely to step on even more toes with my obvious

ignorance.

>

> Sorry

>

> Staci in Oregon

> #######################################

> , Blake Wilson <mbw@> wrote:

> >

> > staci:

> >

> > i'm not sure if you're

> >

> > 1. trolling this group

> > 2. a shill for weston price

> > 3. legitimately concerned about the so called " soy alerts "

> > 4. just uninformed

> >

> > i don't have time to get into it right now, but the article you

> sent

> > verbatim from " naturalnews.com " is nothing more than a rehash of

> the

> > weston price foundation's disinformation about soy. i read the

> > article, and the citations are to the weston price website, which

> is

> > chock full of the most misleading and flat out wrong statements

> about

> > health, diet, and culture that you can find online. they are a

> > borderline cult, which i'm familiar with based on personal

> > experience, unfortunately.

> >

> > so if you're already committed to this point of view, then you've

> got

> > no reason to be a part of this group. if you're not, you're

welcome

> > to contribute i suppose, but shock articles like this are not

> > appreciated, in my view.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > blake

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Intriguing what the meat industry will get up to. They imply that soy is bad for you because it used to be listed as an "industrial product". However, where are the articles highlighting that Aspartame was originally listed as "unsafe for human consumption"?

 

BB

Peter

 

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Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:50 PM

The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

(NaturalNews) With vegetarianism gaining increasing popularity from the 1970's, reaching its peak in the 1990's, soy has emerged as a 'near perfect' food, with supporters claiming it can provide an ideal source of protein, lower cholesterol, protect against cancer and heart disease, reduce menopausal symptoms, and prevent osteoporosis - among many other things. It seems like a good thing - or is it really?

How did such a 'healthy food' emerge from a product that in 1913 was listed in the U.S. Department ofAgriculture (USDA) handbook not as a food but as an industrial product?According to lipid specialist and nutritionist Mary Enig, PhD, "The reason there's so much soy in America is because the soy industry started to plant soy to extract the oil from it and soy oil became a very large industry." There was a lot of soy oil and with it came a lot of soy protein residue as a left over by-product, and since they couldn't feed it to the animals, except in small amounts, they had to find another big market which, of course, was human consumption.This excess soy production and its protein residue was the motivation for the multi-million dollars spent on advertising and intense lobbying of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which resulted in about 74 percent of U.S. consumers believing that soy products are healthy. Australia has traditionally prided itself as being a dairy consuming nation, due to the fact that we have such abundant supply of cattle. However, lactose intolerance is becoming a health concern recognised by the medical profession; accordingly, soy is becoming very popular as an alternative to dairy, following in the footsteps of US consumers in believing that all soy-based products have health benefits. In reality, the research that has concluded that all soy products are healthy is far from accurate, and very much skewed by economic motives.

 

Read the entire article here: http://www.naturalnews.com/022630.html

 

 

Staci in Oregon

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Hi Peter & Staci

 

I agree. The only way to counter these silly articles is if we can see them, and resopnd to them sensibly. If you hadn't posted it, you (and possibly others) might have just accepted what it said without getting more information which gives you a different viewpoint.

 

BB

Peter

 

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Peter VV

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:02 PM

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Hey Staci,

No problem, you post whatever you like, let the moderators decide whats right or wrong here. I would rather encourage as many varied posts as possible, and if someone complains , then deal with it at the time rather thanpre-empt any possible upsets. Glad you are on here, keep em comin!

Peter H

 

 

Diesel Girl <Stacid Sent: Tuesday, 12 February, 2008 8:09:49 PM Re: The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

Blake,Thanks for taking the time to respond to my orginal post of this article.I was unaware that is article was written by Anti-Soy "Pro-Meat" interests and was only trying to express genuine concern about the great "Soy Debate."I am very new (2.5 months) to the world of veganism and consume a healthy amount of tufu each day in salads and was surprised when I encountered information (on another vegan ) that eating too much soy was not necessarily healthy.Luckily someone in this group just posted another more informative email about soy products and their possible effects (good and bad) on health.So yes, I am still somewhat "uninformed" about the vegan lifestyle, but am eagerly reading as much as I can in an effort to become a more informed consumer and experienced member of the Vegan community.NO MORE Article posts for me since I am (as an inexperienced beginner) likely to step on even more toes with my obvious ignorance.SorryStaci in Oregon############ ######### ######### #########@gro ups.com, Blake Wilson <mbw wrote:>> staci:> > i'm not sure if you're> > 1. trolling this group> 2. a shill for weston price> 3. legitimately concerned about the so called "soy alerts"> 4. just uninformed> > i don't have time to get into it right now, but the article you sent > verbatim from "naturalnews. com" is nothing more than a rehash of the > weston price foundation's disinformation about soy. i read the > article, and the citations are to the weston price website, which is > chock full of the most misleading and flat out wrong statements about > health, diet, and culture that you can find online. they are a > borderline cult, which i'm familiar with based on personal > experience, unfortunately.> > so if you're already committed to this point of view, then you've got > no reason to be a part of this group. if you're not, you're welcome > to contribute i suppose, but shock articles like this are not > appreciated, in my view.> > regards,> > blake>

 

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There have been so many reports done by MAFF etc who obviously are worried about everyone eating less meat and dairy in these healthier days, some are just downright scandalous in thier bias!

Peter H

 

 

metalscarab <metalscarab Sent: Wednesday, 13 February, 2008 8:13:44 AMRe: The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

 

Intriguing what the meat industry will get up to. They imply that soy is bad for you because it used to be listed as an "industrial product". However, where are the articles highlighting that Aspartame was originally listed as "unsafe for human consumption" ?

 

BB

Peter

 

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Staci Doctor

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Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:50 PM

The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

(NaturalNews) With vegetarianism gaining increasing popularity from the 1970's, reaching its peak in the 1990's, soy has emerged as a 'near perfect' food, with supporters claiming it can provide an ideal source of protein, lower cholesterol, protect against cancer and heart disease, reduce menopausal symptoms, and prevent osteoporosis - among many other things. It seems like a good thing - or is it really?

How did such a 'healthy food' emerge from a product that in 1913 was listed in the U.S. Department ofAgriculture (USDA) handbook not as a food but as an industrial product?According to lipid specialist and nutritionist Mary Enig, PhD, "The reason there's so much soy in America is because the soy industry started to plant soy to extract the oil from it and soy oil became a very large industry." There was a lot of soy oil and with it came a lot of soy protein residue as a left over by-product, and since they couldn't feed it to the animals, except in small amounts, they had to find another big market which, of course, was human consumption.This excess soy production and its protein residue was the motivation for the multi-million dollars spent on advertising and intense lobbying of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which resulted in about 74 percent of U.S. consumers believing that soy products are healthy. Australia has traditionally prided itself as being a dairy consuming nation, due to the fact that we have such abundant supply of cattle. However, lactose intolerance is becoming a health concern recognised by the

medical profession; accordingly, soy is becoming very popular as an alternative to dairy, following in the footsteps of US consumers in believing that all soy-based products have health benefits. In reality, the research that has concluded that all soy products are healthy is far from accurate, and very much skewed by economic motives.

 

Read the entire article here: http://www.naturaln ews.com/022630. html

 

 

Staci in Oregon

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How sobering. I may have sabotaged my health by being un- or misinformed. =(

 

Kim

 

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Alyza

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:13 PM

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mstrong56 wrote:>I went to the natural news link. I see the author is on the Westom >Price Board. Those are the raw milk promotors. I also see "endorsed >by Dr. Mercola" Another raw milk promotor. Thse guys promote raw milk >and trash soy milk at every opportunity.>>Also on the front page is a link to T Colin Campbell who says there is >big danger from milk and none from soy products. Campbell's China >Study was a 30 year study and considered the gold standard in >nutritional research. I'm no scientist, but I'm very comfortable in >the china study camp and very uncomfortable in the raw milk camp. >> >People on the list might also want to read Dr. McDougall's article on soy athttp://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/april/050400pusoy.htmTraditional soy products are just fine, used properly. Aly

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staci:

 

sorry if it sounded like i was jumping down your throat. i tried

to be civil, and usually am civil, but with the big type and the lack

of a comment to the article from you (like " hey folks, what do

you think about this? " ) it looked like a troll and i bit

(halfway!). i deal a lot with the weston price stuff and it

really irks me.

 

please enjoy the group!

 

blake

 

Hi Peter &

Staci

 

I agree. The

only way to counter these silly articles is if we can see them, and

resopnd to them sensibly. If you hadn't posted it, you (and possibly

others) might have just accepted what it said without getting more

information which gives you a different viewpoint.

 

BB

Peter

-

Peter

VV

 

Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:02

PM

Re: Re: The Truth About

Unfermented Soy and Its Harmful Effects

 

Hey Staci,

No problem, you post whatever you like, let the moderators

decide whats right or wrong here. I would rather encourage as many

varied posts as possible, and if someone complains , then deal with it

at the time rather thanpre-empt any possible upsets. Glad you are on

here, keep em comin!

 

Peter H

 

 

 

 

 

Diesel Girl <Stacid

 

Tuesday, 12 February, 2008 8:09:49 PM

Re: The Truth About Unfermented Soy and Its

Harmful Effects

 

Blake,

 

Thanks for taking the time to respond to my orginal post of this

article.

 

I was unaware that is article was written by Anti-Soy

" Pro-Meat "

interests and was only trying to express genuine concern about the

great " Soy Debate. "

 

I am very new (2.5 months) to the world of veganism and consume a

healthy amount of tufu each day in salads and was surprised when I

encountered information (on another vegan ) that eating

too much soy was not necessarily healthy.

 

Luckily someone in this group just posted another more informative

email about soy products and their possible effects (good and bad)

on

health.

 

So yes, I am still somewhat " uninformed " about the vegan

lifestyle,

but am eagerly reading as much as I can in an effort to become a

more

informed consumer and experienced member of the Vegan community.

 

NO MORE Article posts for me since I am (as an inexperienced

beginner) likely to step on even more toes with my obvious

ignorance.

 

Sorry

 

Staci in Oregon

############ ######### ######### #########

@gro

ups.com, Blake Wilson <mbw wrote:

>

> staci:

>

> i'm not sure if you're

>

> 1. trolling this group

> 2. a shill for weston price

> 3. legitimately concerned about the so called " soy

alerts "

> 4. just uninformed

>

> i don't have time to get into it right now, but the article

you

sent

> verbatim from " naturalnews. com " is nothing more than a

rehash of

the

> weston price foundation's disinformation about soy. i read

the

> article, and the citations are to the weston price website,

which

is

> chock full of the most misleading and flat out wrong

statements

about

> health, diet, and culture that you can find online. they are

a

> borderline cult, which i'm familiar with based on personal

> experience, unfortunately.

>

> so if you're already committed to this point of view, then

you've

got

> no reason to be a part of this group. if you're not, you're

welcome

> to contribute i suppose, but shock articles like this are not

> appreciated, in my view.

>

> regards,

>

> blake

>

 

 

 

 

 

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