Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 This doesn’t relate to exchanging fat-free recipes, but a friend of mine who recently went vegan has asked me for advice, and since I’ve always felt great on my vegan diet, I thought I’d ask any of you what advice you might give her. Here’s what she wrote me: “I have been vegan for 7 weeks now. The first week was horrible, the second week, I started to feel better, and then it got better and better....but now, I feel horrible. For two weeks now, I have had no energy. I am not thinking straight....I feel like I am in a haze. I don't know what I am doing wrong. Am I not balancing my diet correctly? Could I need iron? I spoke to a naturopath who has recommended a supplement, but I would rather figure out how to do it without a supplement. So now, I am turning back to my veteran vegan and wondering if you may have any tips for me?” Did anyone here experience this when you went vegan? I know a girl at work who said she was vegan for about a year but then she started feeling sick all the time so she went back to eating meat. I know you can get all the nutrients you need from a balanced vegan diet, so I did tell her to make sure she’s eating whole grains and plenty of fruits and veggies ... any other advice? Thanks in advance. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 I've heard of the " healing crisis " when some people go thru a " detox " stage. Wonder if this is what your friend is experiencing? This happens when the body is getting rid of toxins, whether it be through a diet change or a cleanse. Particularly the part about the " haze " sounds right. By all means, if she does not feel better, she needs to see a doctor. I personally don't recall feeling badly when I went veggie, but my diet before had been pretty good to begin with. On 3/10/08, Coop <rodstruelove wrote: This doesn't relate to exchanging fat-free recipes, but a friend of mine who recently went vegan has asked me for advice, and since I've always felt great on my vegan diet, I thought I'd ask any of you what advice you might give her. Here's what she wrote me: "I have been vegan for 7 weeks now. The first week was horrible, the second week, I started to feel better, and then it got better and better....but now, I feel horrible. For two weeks now, I have had no energy. I am not thinking straight....I feel like I am in a haze. I don't know what I am doing wrong. Am I not balancing my diet correctly? Could I need iron? I spoke to a naturopath who has recommended a supplement, but I would rather figure out how to do it without a supplement. So now, I am turning back to my veteran vegan and wondering if you may have any tips for me?" Did anyone here experience this when you went vegan? I know a girl at work who said she was vegan for about a year but then she started feeling sick all the time so she went back to eating meat. I know you can get all the nutrients you need from a balanced vegan diet, so I did tell her to make sure she's eating whole grains and plenty of fruits and veggies ... any other advice? Thanks in advance. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 make sure she is getting enought calories in her diet, have her keep track of her intake. When i am not eating enough i have the same problem. I also found out i was B12 deficient so i have to take a supplement now.Coop <rodstruelove wrote: This doesn’t relate to exchanging fat-free recipes, but a friend of mine who recently went vegan has asked me for advice, and since I’ve always felt great on my vegan diet, I thought I’d ask any of you what advice you might give her. Here’s what she wrote me:“I have been vegan for 7 weeks now. The first week was horrible, the second week, I started to feel better, and then it got better and better....but now, I feel horrible. For two weeks now, I have had no energy. I am not thinking straight....I feel like I am in a haze. I don't know what I am doing wrong. Am I not balancing my diet correctly? Could I need iron? I spoke to a naturopath who has recommended a supplement, but I would rather figure out how to do it without a supplement. So now, I am turning back to my veteran vegan and wondering if you may have any tips for me?”Did anyone here experience this when you went vegan? I know a girl at work who said she was vegan for about a year but then she started feeling sick all the time so she went back to eating meat. I know you can get all the nutrients you need from a balanced vegan diet, so I did tell her to make sure she’s eating whole grains and plenty of fruits and veggies ... any other advice? Thanks in advance.Anna Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Anna, How about asking her for her menu for a few days so we can have a look at it? Aly Coop wrote: An off topic question from a friend ... This doesn’t relate to exchanging fat-free recipes, but a friend of mine who recently went vegan has asked me for advice, and since I’ve always felt great on my vegan diet, I thought I’d ask any of you what advice you might give her. Here’s what she wrote me: “I have been vegan for 7 weeks now. The first week was horrible, the second week, I started to feel better, and then it got better and better....but now, I feel horrible. For two weeks now, I have had no energy. I am not thinking straight....I feel like I am in a haze. I don't know what I am doing wrong. Am I not balancing my diet correctly? Could I need iron? I spoke to a naturopath who has recommended a supplement, but I would rather figure out how to do it without a supplement. So now, I am turning back to my veteran vegan and wondering if you may have any tips for me?” Did anyone here experience this when you went vegan? I know a girl at work who said she was vegan for about a year but then she started feeling sick all the time so she went back to eating meat. I know you can get all the nutrients you need from a balanced vegan diet, so I did tell her to make sure she’s eating whole grains and plenty of fruits and veggies ... any other advice? Thanks in advance. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 I agree with both replies that you have gotten. It would be very helpful to actually "see" what she eats for a day. Personally (like the other lister said), I would check out B12. I was ovo/lacto for 2 years...then cut out the dairy the following year and the year after that went vegan. I am better when I do things in steps. Right after I went vegan, my doctor had my B12 checked and I was very deficient. Since it was so soon after going vegan, I figured that was not the only cause. Anyways, I started taking it as a supplement and within a couple of months it was up to a good number and I feel much better. I would definately check that out. StefHolding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.-Buddha Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 I agree also, it's important to get a good overall physical from a knowledgable MD. I have heard this same story many times... "I went vegan and felt so sick, so I had to start eating meat again." Simply cutting food out of your diet isn't enough. You need to know how to eat a well balanced healthy diet that includes everything your body needs. Tofutti ice cream and french fries are technically "Vegan" but you are not going to feel well if they are a major source of your daily calories. Your friend really should evaluate her health, diet and overall lifestyle. -Jeannine Nourish A Child.org Private Breastfeeding Classes Lactation Educator Certification Workshops Barefoot Books & Earth Mama Angel Baby www.NourishAChild.org Professional Education, Loving Support & Holistic Parenting Products Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 agree, let's see a food diary. give her a copy of Eat To Live in the meantime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 I recommend reading " Becoming Vegan, " written by vegan nutritionists Davis and Melina (at least one of them is vegan). That can help ensure you get enough protein and iron and calcium, etc. I think that is essential reading for a new vegan. It is more informative than 99% of the doctors out there. Doctors tend to be very ignorant about nutrition. However, they can give you blood tests and find out if you are deficient in, e.g., B12 and vitamin D etc. B12 is stored in your body for a long time so I doubt someone would suffer from that after only a few months being vegan, unless they already were deficient. I take Dr. Fuhrman's vitamins because he's researched them and he doesn't put in the stuff that's bad for you (beta carotene, I think?), but includes the stuff vegans need. here's a link to what he recommends: http://www.drfuhrman.com/VAdvisor/default.aspx -barb On Mar 10, 2008, at 12:46 PM, mstrong56 wrote: > agree, let's see a food diary. > > give her a copy of Eat To Live in the meantime > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Thanks everyone for your replies, I will share them with her ... And I have already asked her for a sample menu, so if she provides that I will share it here. Thanks again! Anna On 11/3/08 5:03 AM, " Barbara Whitney " <bwhitney wrote: I recommend reading " Becoming Vegan, " written by vegan nutritionists Davis and Melina (at least one of them is vegan). That can help ensure you get enough protein and iron and calcium, etc. I think that is essential reading for a new vegan. It is more informative than 99% of the doctors out there. Doctors tend to be very ignorant about nutrition. However, they can give you blood tests and find out if you are deficient in, e.g., B12 and vitamin D etc. B12 is stored in your body for a long time so I doubt someone would suffer from that after only a few months being vegan, unless they already were deficient. I take Dr. Fuhrman's vitamins because he's researched them and he doesn't put in the stuff that's bad for you (beta carotene, I think?), but includes the stuff vegans need. here's a link to what he recommends: http://www.drfuhrman.com/VAdvisor/default.aspx -barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 I forgot to offer something more concrete: I eat a fair amount of beans (legumes that is, red beans, black beans, pinto beans, white beans, lentils), lots of greens (collard greens, kale, spinach, bok choy, chard), some grains (quinoa, oats, rice, potatoes--is that a grain or a vegetable?), veggies, fruit, some nuts, and a Tbsp of ground flaxseed (omega-3s) (in my morning berry & banana smoothie). I also eat some junk too (oops), but as far as nutrition goes, that seems to cover it pretty well for me and I feel good, knock on wood. if she doesn't like beans, there's tofu, tempeh and seitan too. -barb On Mar 10, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Coop wrote: > Thanks everyone for your replies, I will share them with her ... > And I have already asked her for a sample menu, so if she provides > that I will share it here. Thanks again! > > Anna > > > On 11/3/08 5:03 AM, " Barbara Whitney " <bwhitney > wrote: >> >> I recommend reading " Becoming Vegan, " written by vegan nutritionists >> Davis and Melina (at least one of them is vegan). That can help >> ensure you get enough protein and iron and calcium, etc. I think >> that is essential reading for a new vegan. It is more informative >> than 99% of the doctors out there. Doctors tend to be very ignorant >> about nutrition. However, they can give you blood tests and find out >> if you are deficient in, e.g., B12 and vitamin D etc. >> >> B12 is stored in your body for a long time so I doubt someone would >> suffer from that after only a few months being vegan, unless they >> already were deficient. I take Dr. Fuhrman's vitamins because he's >> researched them and he doesn't put in the stuff that's bad for you >> (beta carotene, I think?), but includes the stuff vegans need. >> here's a link to what he recommends: >> http://www.drfuhrman.com/VAdvisor/default.aspx >> >> -barb > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 On 10/3/08 11:35 PM, " Alyza " <alyzas wrote: Anna, How about asking her for her menu for a few days so we can have a look at it? Aly Thanks Aly, I’ve done that and here’s her reply — I’d love to help her through this as I don’t want her to give up trying to eat a vegan diet this early in the game. I’m hoping she feels better real soon. Anna ---- My diet has been varied, however, I know that I lack fresh raw veggies. I have broken the diet about four times that I can recall over the past 7 weeks. I had chicken once, a snickers bar, a piece of chocolate cake at a party, and a piece of salmon. So here is my intake of food for the past two days. Each morning I start with lemon and water. Then I have carrot juice. DAY 1: Breakfast: soy and linseed bread with stewed mushrooms on it Snack: a banana and a handful of pecans Lunch: a soy and linseed sandwich with hummus, cucumber, tomato, and sprouts Snack: a piece of carrot bread made with egg product Dinner: stewed veggies with chickpeas on couscous DAY 2: Breakfast: Oats with a little raw sugar and cinnamon Snack: a plum Lunch: Pasta with fresh tomatoes, broccoli, capsicum (bell pepper) and zucchini Snack: Vanilla green tea, a couple handfulls of roasted chickpeas and an apple Dinner: Lentil stew with cabbage, carrots, celery, zucchini and potato I don't remember exactly what I ate the other days but I usually have bean burritos once a week for dinner on wholemeal flat bread, a wholemeal pita with veggies and tomato paste as a pizza, curry rice with veggies and red lentils, stir-frys, miso soup with veggies..... Breakfast is my hard time...I hate it. But I have been forcing myself to eat it.....often oats, or toast with tomatoes or mushies and I always start with carrot juice and lemon and water. Things that I haven't changed are my pastas...I hate wholemeal pasta, so I only allow myself to have pasta every couple of weeks, and it is regular good quality pasta. I still have coffee but only decaf now. I am only having one occasionally not three or four a day. I eat carrot and celery raw but I love cooked veggies. I am not doing this for weight so I haven't been weighing myself, however, I know that I am losing weight. I feel really hazy in my head, tired, and I lack interest in life. I am feeling a bit better now that I have been taking floradix ( an iron supplement), but I don't want to take supplements. I want to figure out how to get what I need from my diet. I just don't know what I am doing wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 sounds like a lot of wheat to me - could she have a wheat intolerance? i used to get real haziness in my head from eating wheat. also, if she's just given up coffee, maybe her body is going thru caffeine withdrawal. really, it sounds like a healthy diet to me. maybe it's much lower in calories than what her body's used to - a smoothie with coconut cream or tahini or cashews and fruit could be good? best wishes alice On 11 Mar 2008, at 20:08, Coop wrote: > On 10/3/08 11:35 PM, " Alyza " <alyzas wrote: >> >> >> Anna, >> >> How about asking her for her menu for a few days so we can have a >> look at it? >> >> Aly >> > > Thanks Aly, I’ve done that and here’s her reply — I’d love to help > her through this as I don’t want her to give up trying to eat a vegan > diet this early in the game. I’m hoping she feels better real soon. > > Anna > > > > ---- > > My diet has been varied, however, I know that I lack fresh raw > veggies. I have broken the diet about four times that I can recall > over the past 7 weeks. I had chicken once, a snickers bar, a piece of > chocolate cake at a party, and a piece of salmon. > > So here is my intake of food for the past two days. > > Each morning I start with lemon and water. Then I have carrot juice. > > DAY 1: > Breakfast: soy and linseed bread with stewed mushrooms on it > Snack: a banana and a handful of pecans > Lunch: a soy and linseed sandwich with hummus, cucumber, tomato, and > sprouts > Snack: a piece of carrot bread made with egg product > Dinner: stewed veggies with chickpeas on couscous > > DAY 2: > Breakfast: Oats with a little raw sugar and cinnamon > Snack: a plum > Lunch: Pasta with fresh tomatoes, broccoli, capsicum (bell pepper) > and zucchini > Snack: Vanilla green tea, a couple handfulls of roasted chickpeas > and an apple > Dinner: Lentil stew with cabbage, carrots, celery, zucchini and > potato > > I don't remember exactly what I ate the other days but I usually have > bean burritos once a week for dinner on wholemeal flat bread, a > wholemeal pita with veggies and tomato paste as a pizza, curry rice > with veggies and red lentils, stir-frys, miso soup with veggies..... > Breakfast is my hard time...I hate it. But I have been forcing > myself to eat it.....often oats, or toast with tomatoes or mushies and > I always start with carrot juice and lemon and water. Things that I > haven't changed are my pastas...I hate wholemeal pasta, so I only > allow myself to have pasta every couple of weeks, and it is regular > good quality pasta. I still have coffee but only decaf now. I am > only having one occasionally not three or four a day. I eat carrot > and celery raw but I love cooked veggies. > > I am not doing this for weight so I haven't been weighing myself, > however, I know that I am losing weight. I feel really hazy in my > head, tired, and I lack interest in life. I am feeling a bit better > now that I have been taking floradix ( an iron supplement), but I > don't want to take supplements. I want to figure out how to get what > I need from my diet. I just don't know what I am doing wrong. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 I hadn’t even thought about the caffeine withdrawal ... That’s a possibility! I’ll have to ask her to consider that. Thanks! Anna On 11/3/08 6:13 PM, " Alice Leonard " <alice wrote: sounds like a lot of wheat to me - could she have a wheat intolerance? i used to get real haziness in my head from eating wheat. also, if she's just given up coffee, maybe her body is going thru caffeine withdrawal. really, it sounds like a healthy diet to me. maybe it's much lower in calories than what her body's used to - a smoothie with coconut cream or tahini or cashews and fruit could be good? best wishes alice I still have coffee but only decaf now. I am only having one occasionally not three or four a day. I eat carrot and celery raw but I love cooked veggies. I am not doing this for weight so I haven't been weighing myself, however, I know that I am losing weight. I feel really hazy in my head, tired, and I lack interest in life. I am feeling a bit better now that I have been taking floradix ( an iron supplement), but I don't want to take supplements. I want to figure out how to get what I need from my diet. I just don't know what I am doing wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Okay, Anna, I have another question or two. What was a typical day like before her change? And what is in soy and linseed bread? It would be helpful to have a comparison. If I knew amounts, I could run it through my fit day program (PC version, not online) and get a full nutritional analysis. She could also do that and send us the results through fitday.com. Thanks, Aly Coop wrote: Re: An off topic question from a friend ... Thanks Aly, I’ve done that and here’s her reply — I’d love to help her through this as I don’t want her to give up trying to eat a vegan diet this early in the game. I’m hoping she feels better real soon. Anna ---- My diet has been varied, however, I know that I lack fresh raw veggies. I have broken the diet about four times that I can recall over the past 7 weeks. I had chicken once, a snickers bar, a piece of chocolate cake at a party, and a piece of salmon. So here is my intake of food for the past two days. Each morning I start with lemon and water. Then I have carrot juice. DAY 1: Breakfast: soy and linseed bread with stewed mushrooms on it Snack: a banana and a handful of pecans Lunch: a soy and linseed sandwich with hummus, cucumber, tomato, and sprouts Snack: a piece of carrot bread made with egg product Dinner: stewed veggies with chickpeas on couscous DAY 2: Breakfast: Oats with a little raw sugar and cinnamon Snack: a plum Lunch: Pasta with fresh tomatoes, broccoli, capsicum (bell pepper) and zucchini Snack: Vanilla green tea, a couple handfulls of roasted chickpeas and an apple Dinner: Lentil stew with cabbage, carrots, celery, zucchini and potato I don't remember exactly what I ate the other days but I usually have bean burritos once a week for dinner on wholemeal flat bread, a wholemeal pita with veggies and tomato paste as a pizza, curry rice with veggies and red lentils, stir-frys, miso soup with veggies..... Breakfast is my hard time...I hate it. But I have been forcing myself to eat it.....often oats, or toast with tomatoes or mushies and I always start with carrot juice and lemon and water. Things that I haven't changed are my pastas...I hate wholemeal pasta, so I only allow myself to have pasta every couple of weeks, and it is regular good quality pasta. I still have coffee but only decaf now. I am only having one occasionally not three or four a day. I eat carrot and celery raw but I love cooked veggies. I am not doing this for weight so I haven't been weighing myself, however, I know that I am losing weight. I feel really hazy in my head, tired, and I lack interest in life. I am feeling a bit better now that I have been taking floradix ( an iron supplement), but I don't want to take supplements. I want to figure out how to get what I need from my diet. I just don't know what I am doing wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Hi Anna, Your friend needs a juicer and everyday they need to juice and drink any where from 16 to 24 oz of live juice EVERYDAY and she will most definetly feel the difference. I'm speaking/writing from experience because I was going thru the same thing due to a sluggish thyroid but the juices are what helps. Matter of fact whenever I feel lethargic I go and make a juice and then I feel much better. But they need to do the juice everyday. Green juices are best, I don't like carrot juice, watercress, kale or collards (chop up the stems), celery, beets. Tell her to do the juices and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 That sound pretty darn good to me! I agree though about the caffeine in the coffee. I have been reading lately though that carbs give you energy and I know that she doesn't care for whole grain pasta (my hubby doesn't either). However, for some unknown reason, he does like whole wheat linguini. Or, I have heard a lot of people say that brown rice pasta is more to their liking and since calories don't seem to be an issue........................ Also, one thing that my doctor suggested was to blanch veggies like carrot sticks. I don't care to eat carrots raw because they bother my teeth so my doctor told me to blanch them in boiling water for a couple of minutes and then shock them in ice water. They aren't "cooked" but they taste more like cooked carrots. StefCoop <rodstruelove wrote: On 10/3/08 11:35 PM, "Alyza" <alyzas (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: Anna,How about asking her for her menu for a few days so we can have a look at it? AlyThanks Aly, I’ve done that and here’s her reply — I’d love to help her through this as I don’t want her to give up trying to eat a vegan diet this early in the game. I’m hoping she feels better real soon.Anna----My diet has been varied, however, I know that I lack fresh raw veggies. I have broken the diet about four times that I can recall over the past 7 weeks. I had chicken once, a snickers bar, a piece of chocolate cake at a party, and a piece of salmon. So here is my intake of food for the past two days.Each morning I start with lemon and water. Then I have carrot juice.DAY 1:Breakfast: soy and linseed bread with stewed mushrooms on itSnack: a banana and a handful of pecansLunch: a soy and linseed sandwich with hummus, cucumber, tomato, and sproutsSnack: a piece of carrot bread made with egg productDinner: stewed veggies with chickpeas on couscous DAY 2:Breakfast: Oats with a little raw sugar and cinnamonSnack: a plumLunch: Pasta with fresh tomatoes, broccoli, capsicum (bell pepper) and zucchiniSnack: Vanilla green tea, a couple handfulls of roasted chickpeas and an appleDinner: Lentil stew with cabbage, carrots, celery, zucchini and potatoI don't remember exactly what I ate the other days but I usually have bean burritos once a week for dinner on wholemeal flat bread, a wholemeal pita with veggies and tomato paste as a pizza, curry rice with veggies and red lentils, stir-frys, miso soup with veggies..... Breakfast is my hard time...I hate it. But I have been forcing myself to eat it.....often oats, or toast with tomatoes or mushies and I always start with carrot juice and lemon and water. Things that I haven't changed are my pastas...I hate wholemeal pasta, so I only allow myself to have pasta every couple of weeks, and it is regular good quality pasta. I still have coffee but only decaf now. I am only having one occasionally not three or four a day. I eat carrot and celery raw but I love cooked veggies. I am not doing this for weight so I haven't been weighing myself, however, I know that I am losing weight. I feel really hazy in my head, tired, and I lack interest in life. I am feeling a bit better now that I have been taking floradix ( an iron supplement), but I don't want to take supplements. I want to figure out how to get what I need from my diet. I just don't know what I am doing wrong. Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.-Buddha Instant message from any web browser! Try the new Canada Messenger for the Web BETA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 BTW - Eat To Live is Dr Fuhrman's book. Everything you need to know is right there, researched and extensively footnoted. Your friend is high on processed (although vegan) foods and low on nutrient dense plant foods. Basically eat way more fresh produce and next to no foods that come in a package and next to no oils. > I recommend reading " Becoming Vegan, " written by vegan nutritionists > Davis and Melina (at least one of them is vegan). That can help > ensure you get enough protein and iron and calcium, etc. I think > that is essential reading for a new vegan. It is more informative > than 99% of the doctors out there. Doctors tend to be very ignorant > about nutrition. However, they can give you blood tests and find out > if you are deficient in, e.g., B12 and vitamin D etc. > > B12 is stored in your body for a long time so I doubt someone would > suffer from that after only a few months being vegan, unless they > already were deficient. I take Dr. Fuhrman's vitamins because he's > researched them and he doesn't put in the stuff that's bad for you > (beta carotene, I think?), but includes the stuff vegans need. > here's a link to what he recommends: > http://www.drfuhrman.com/VAdvisor/default.aspx > > -barb > > On Mar 10, 2008, at 12:46 PM, mstrong56 wrote: > > > agree, let's see a food diary. > > > > give her a copy of Eat To Live in the meantime > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Soy and Linseed bread is just a common variety that many brands make in Australia ... Just like you can get wholemeal (or wheat to the US) and multigrain bread, you can also get soy & linseed. I suppose the exact nutritionals would depend on the brand. But she’s always eaten a relatively healthy and varied diet, she’s a wonderful cook and always trying to do what’s healthy for her family. That’s why she was eager to read The China Study, and willing to give a vegan diet a try. I’m wondering if it might be the caffeine withdrawal after all! anna On 11/3/08 11:24 PM, " Alyza " <alyzas wrote: Okay, Anna, I have another question or two. What was a typical day like before her change? And what is in soy and linseed bread? It would be helpful to have a comparison. If I knew amounts, I could run it through my fit day program (PC version, not online) and get a full nutritional analysis. She could also do that and send us the results through fitday.com. Thanks, Aly Coop wrote: I still have coffee but only decaf now. I am only having one occasionally not three or four a day. I eat carrot and celery raw but I love cooked veggies. I am not doing this for weight so I haven't been weighing myself, however, I know that I am losing weight. I feel really hazy in my head, tired, and I lack interest in life. I am feeling a bit better now that I have been taking floradix ( an iron supplement), but I don't want to take supplements. I want to figure out how to get what I need from my diet. I just don't know what I am doing wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Thanks, I will suggest that ... I have read Dr Fuhrman’s book, but I personally follow Dr McDougall, and I know they don’t agree on everything. But perhaps she’ll find Dr Fuhrman’s advise more suited to her. Thanks to all who answered, I do appreciate it. Anna On 12/3/08 5:03 AM, " mstrong56 " <mstrong wrote: BTW - Eat To Live is Dr Fuhrman's book. Everything you need to know is right there, researched and extensively footnoted. Your friend is high on processed (although vegan) foods and low on nutrient dense plant foods. Basically eat way more fresh produce and next to no foods that come in a package and next to no oils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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