Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Just so you know, this group has *been* in Grouply since November 2007, maybe sooner, and that post was the first message posed by a member using the Grouply interface instead of from the web site or his own email program. Since 11/2007, has *anyone* gotten any email from Grouply? Has anyone been bothered by anyone sending ads *for* Grouply? Have you received *any* kind of email that would even let you know of Grouply's existence as far as members of this group belonging to Grouply prior to this one? When it was made known that Grouply existed to some people who frequent the unofficial moderator groups back in early Spring 2008, a lot of group owners panicked, thinking their group's privacy was compromised, or whatever. Many group owners joined Grouply under temporary ID's to take a look for themselves what was up, and saw that, well, *nothing* was. itself investigated Grouply and saw they were doing nothing wrong. Grouply's owners bent over backwards to answer everyone's questions, took up some of the suggestions, even started their own to answer questions and explain things. The unofficial experts on the unofficial moderators' lists have declared Grouply as harmless. *I* have allowed the groups that *I* own to stay on Grouply. I'm only a moderator here, but if Susan V, the owner, wants to remove this group, she can go to the address Grouply provides for owners to remove their groups: http://www.grouply.com/owner_controls.php The only people who see messages in this (or any other) using the Grouply interface are the members of the list. Just like the only people who see the messages via Googlemail, or Intellimail, or any other on-line service, are those who belong to the group. You cannot see messages posted to any group you don't belong to, and people who don't belong to this group cannot see this group's messages. To me, a service like Grouply is no different than using a newsreader to see all the usenet groups you to, or using a service like Bloglines to gather your favorite blogs together in one place to read. It's totally benign, and very convenient for some people. Sue in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 What is Grouply and what is the purpose? Why would our group be a part of another group. Sorry, but I am just not aware of this and would like to know what all the hubbub is about. God's Peace, Gayle - Sue in NJ Saturday, June 14, 2008 8:40 AM Re: OT - Grouply Just so you know, this group has *been* in Grouply since November 2007,maybe sooner, and that post was the first message posed by a memberusing the Grouply interface instead of from the web site orhis own email program.Since 11/2007, has *anyone* gotten any email from Grouply? Has anyonebeen bothered by anyone sending ads *for* Grouply? Have you received*any* kind of email that would even let you know of Grouply's existenceas far as members of this group belonging to Grouply prior to this one?When it was made known that Grouply existed to some people who frequentthe unofficial moderator groups back in early Spring 2008, alot of group owners panicked, thinking their group's privacy wascompromised, or whatever. Many group owners joined Grouply undertemporary ID's to take a look for themselves what was up, and sawthat, well, *nothing* was. itself investigated Grouply and sawthey were doing nothing wrong. Grouply's owners bent over backwards toanswer everyone's questions, took up some of the suggestions, evenstarted their own to answer questions and explain things.The unofficial experts on the unofficial moderators' lists have declaredGrouply as harmless. *I* have allowed the groups that *I* own to stay onGrouply. I'm only a moderator here, but if Susan V, the owner, wants toremove this group, she can go to the address Grouply provides for ownersto remove their groups:http://www.grouply.com/owner_controls.phpThe only people who see messages in this (or any other) usingthe Grouply interface are the members of the list. Just like the onlypeople who see the messages via Googlemail, or Intellimail, or any otheron-line service, are those who belong to the group. You cannot seemessages posted to any group you don't belong to, and people who don'tbelong to this group cannot see this group's messages.To me, a service like Grouply is no different than using a newsreader tosee all the usenet groups you to, or using a service likeBloglines to gather your favorite blogs together in one place to read.It's totally benign, and very convenient for some people.Sue in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 My apologies if I was out of line regarding the Grouply issue. I am far from computer literate and after compromising my computer a couple of years back I am probably more than cautious when I receive private emails from social groups that I am not interested in. Probably ignorant but like I say, I'm a novice. StefAnimals are my friends - and I don't eat my friends.George Bernard Shaw--- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Stef, I am with you on junk e-mail or just some sending me unwanted materials. I joined this group because it is supposed to be fatfree vegan.Most times I find it to be stuff Therapy stuff... Off topic. Am always sorting thru and just delete most without reading completely.... Janie ---- steff davidson 6/14/2008 9:17:51 AM Re: OT - Grouply My apologies if I was out of line regarding the Grouply issue. I am far from computer literate and after compromising my computer a couple of years back I am probably more than cautious when I receive private emails from social groups that I am not interested in. Probably ignorant but like I say, I'm a novice. StefAnimals are my friends - and I don't eat my friends.George Bernard Shaw--- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 On 6/14/08, steff davidson <steffdav46 wrote: > > My apologies if I was out of line regarding the Grouply issue. My apologies, too. Count me as one of those infected by the scare. Back when it was a big deal, a list owner told me that you give your password to grouply and that if it turned out to be a bad service or if it got hacked or compromised, it could do everything an individual could do, such as harvest the names of other group members or add spam to the links list, or if the account had moderator privileges, it could start deleting things. It unnerved me to think of people giving their passwords away to a third party and I apologize for getting caught up in a false scare about that. Thanks for setting us straight, Sue. Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 I don't like unsolicited private e-mails such as the one we just got either. I've never heard of Grouply and I hope we don't get too many of those " invitations " (what I would call spam). , " JWMann " <JWMann wrote: > > Stef, > I am with you on junk e-mail or just some sending me unwanted materials. > I joined this group because it is supposed to be fatfree vegan.Most times I > find it to be stuff > Therapy stuff... Off topic. Am always sorting thru and just delete most > without reading completely.... > Janie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 > I don't like unsolicited private e-mails such as the one we just got > either. What the group " got " yesterday was a post by a member that had a Grouply ad tacked in the footer. AOL does it, does it. It was not a private email sent by Grouply, people, unless all of you got something other than what is posted in the list's archives. >I've never heard of Grouply Then I suggest you go to Grouply's web site and read what they are and what they do before jumping to conclusions and joining the panicking mob. Why condemn something you know nothing about?? Sue in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 Sue, I don't know enough about it to have an opinion on the subject - condemnation or praise. I just want to know what grouply is and how got associated (not the word I'm looking but ...) with it. I went to the web site and can't figure out exactly what's what as far as other groups are concerned. I'm not worried, I'm not, "joining the panicking mob". I simply asked what it was so I could understand. I still don't really know why some don't like it and some don't mind it. I still don't know what it has to do with this group and how it may or may not impact it. I am the first to admit that I am pretty tech NOT savvy, that's why I asked the question. Would someone who is more tech savvy than me please enlighten me? God's Peace, Gayle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 On 6/15/08, Sue in NJ <sue_in_nj wrote: > > It was not a > private email sent by Grouply, people, unless all of you got something > other than what is posted in the list's archives. Actually, yes, I did. Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 >> It was not a >> private email sent by Grouply, people, unless all of you got >> something >> other than what is posted in the list's archives. > > Actually, yes, I did. I did, too. It went straight to my junk folder and I deleted it without looking closely at it, so I don't know if the sender (candyazz28) intentionally sent it or if it was auto-generated by Grouply. Either way, I'd like to ask people NOT to send invitations like that to the list or to individual members, and if posting through Grouply is causing them to be auto-generated, please don't post that way. Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 Susan, In light of the remarks made yesterday ( not by you) after I voiced my dislike for non vegan I have decided to take a break from receiving daily e-mails. Please send info on how to take my e-mail address off the list. I really appreciate all that you and all the other kind people have taught me .Just need to take a break. Thanks, Janie ---- Gayle 6/15/2008 8:19:34 AM Re: Re: OT - Grouply Sue, I don't know enough about it to have an opinion on the subject - condemnation or praise. I just want to know what grouply is and how got associated (not the word I'm looking but ...) with it. I went to the web site and can't figure out exactly what's what as far as other groups are concerned. I'm not worried, I'm not, "joining the panicking mob". I simply asked what it was so I could understand. I still don't really know why some don't like it and some don't mind it. I still don't know what it has to do with this group and how it may or may not impact it. I am the first to admit that I am pretty tech NOT savvy, that's why I asked the question. Would someone who is more tech savvy than me please enlighten me? God's Peace, Gayle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 Yes, I got something in addition to what's in the list's archives, and that's what I was referring to. Too bad you didn't get it too, so you could see what others apparently received! , " Sue in NJ " <sue_in_nj wrote: > > It was not a private email sent by Grouply, people, unless all of you > got something other than what is posted in the list's archives. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 > Yes, I got something in addition to what's in the list's archives, and > that's what I was referring to. Too bad you didn't get it too, so you > could see what others apparently received! I apologize. No, I have *never* to this day ever gotten any direct email from Grouply inviting me to join its service. And I check my spam folder frequently, as many legitimate emails have been going there for many months now and Mail folks (who own Prodigy) have no explanation for it. As I wrote to a few of you yesterday via private email, the invitation to join Grouply is the same as an invitation to join a or Google group and is *only* sent out when someone requests it to be sent, it's not sent unsolicited. All you can do is tell everyone you know to *not* send you any invitations to join anything and maybe make a filter in your email programs to send anything from Grouply directly to the delete/spam folders. Sorry about the misunderstanding the past few days, because I didn't get what a few of you did. Sue in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 This is a great idea in theory, but given that the message was apparently sent from a new member of the list and wasn't someone I know, that's a bit hard to implement. That individual apparently decided it was cool to spam a bunch of us privately. Is there a group policy regarding members sending SPAM? What would have happened had this person decided to send mail (using e-mail addresses gleaned from the group membership) to advertise their business (which may or may not be ff vegan-related)? How is sending SPAM for Grouply any different? Mary > > As I wrote to a few of you yesterday via private email, the invitation > to join Grouply is the same as an invitation to join a or > Google group and is *only* sent out when someone requests it to be sent, > it's not sent unsolicited. All you can do is tell everyone you know to > *not* send you any invitations to join anything and maybe make a filter > in your email programs to send anything from Grouply directly to the > delete/spam folders. > > Sorry about the misunderstanding the past few days, because I didn't get > what a few of you did. > > > > Sue in NJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 On 6/16/08, Sue in NJ <sue_in_nj wrote: > > and maybe make a filter > in your email programs to send anything from Grouply directly to the > delete/spam folders. Won't that disrupt our lists? Because, unless I'm mistaken (this is just what I was told by list mods many months ago when grouply first came out), when someone joins grouply, it changes all their list subs to username (for example, the offlist spam I got was sent from candyazz28) so sending all grouply mail to delete will also delete anything said by list members who are on grouply, yes? Or did Grouply change that bit that makes someone unsub from all their lists and resub with a grouply address? Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 I finally got around to checking into Grouply and found that I could disable all invitations from it to our members. I've just done that, so I hope that will be the end of any unsolicited emails from Grouply. Members can still use Grouply to access the group, for now, but if there are any more problems with spam, I will disable it entirely. I hope this solves the problem for everyone. Susan ------------- Susan Voisin FatFree Vegan Kitchen http://blog.fatfreevegan.com ------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Thank you so much for doing that! This is a helpful list, and it would be a shame for spam to get started and bring the list down, like has happened to some other . And, for the record, what I received was from someone I don't know (candyazz28) and have never even heard of. So, thanks to you, we can hopefully get on with Fat Free Vegan and put this Grouply stuff behind us! Me, tonight I'm making rice and topping it with black beans, salsa, cilantro, and something I just discovered and don't know how good it is - Tofutti Better Than Sour Cream (nondairy, but has a little fat, so I'll use it in moderation). I don't like most processed foods, but wanted to try something new. If it has a good taste, then I'll be putting it on baked potatoes once in awhile. chayah , " Susan Voisin " <susan wrote: > > I finally got around to checking into Grouply and found that I could > disable all invitations from it to our members. I've just done that, > so I hope that will be the end of any unsolicited emails from Grouply. > Members can still use Grouply to access the group, for now, but if > there are any more problems with spam, I will disable it entirely. > > I hope this solves the problem for everyone. > > Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 On 6/16/08, Susan Voisin <susan wrote: > > I finally got around to checking into Grouply and found that I could > disable all invitations from it to our members. I've just done that, > so I hope that will be the end of any unsolicited emails from Grouply. > Members can still use Grouply to access the group, for now, but if > there are any more problems with spam, I will disable it entirely. Thank you, Susan! That sounds like a great solution. I don't want to inhibit the grouply folks among us because I've heard a few people say that it really makes life easier for them. It sounds like you've found the win-win solution that lets people still use grouply and the rest of us avoid spam. You rule! Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.