Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 ok, I am slightly new to all of this, but I have been eating soy beans and tofu and I am hearing alot lately about not consuming soybean oil for the reasons you wrote below. I am confused... what is the difference? Amie P Before you print think about the ENVIRONMENT Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Gayle <dilemma5 Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:54:09 PMRe: Tofutti "Better Than Cream Cheese" & Recipe I agree with you, Mark about the Tofutti products (will wonders never cease? LOL). I was going to recommend to the person who wrote about consuming Tofutti "cream cheese" that Tofutti is probably never a great product to consume. I mentioned to Dr. Reed Mangels, RD. Ph.D. years ago when Tofutti came out with their ice soy that I ate it from time-to-time. She said it was pure junk and strongly cautioned me against consuming it. When I looked into it and subsequently into other products Tofutti made, the same held true - it is pure junk. It is better to make your own "cream cheesesour cream", etc... than it is to consume Tofutti. There are plenty of recipes floating around the web for these products and I'm sure there are others on this list who have their favorite recipes for such things. I don't eat them so I can't provide tried and true recipes for them but most likely someone can. I mean no disrespect, however the truth of the matter concerning soy and thyroid function, Mark is that soy only depresses the thyroid if you are already low in iodine. Soy has gotten a bad rap as it relates to thyroid issues. I spoke in length to my endocrinologist about this since I have severely hypothyroidism (have had since before I became vegan and before soy products were anywhere near being part of my diet. It is hereditary in my family - mother, both brothers, sister, and me all have it). He stated I had no worries about consuming soy. Believe me, with the problem I have my thyroid, if he thought for an instance that it would impact its function to eat soy products, he would have said so immediately. I have read and researched this issue since Kaayla Daniels came out with her smear campaign backed by the Weston A. Price Foundation against soy. Check out the info on vrg.org. When I tried to go Synthroid free and manage my thyroid via diet, I found my thyroid levels did not change for the worse from when I started trying to manage it via diet throughout my attempt and I ate soy during that time so even without Synthroid, the soy had no impact on my thyroid. Unfortunately for me, diet control for this did not work and I am back on Synthroid. My children also consume soy and their energy levels are phenomenal! FWIW, there is info now going around now that lettuce causes sluggish thyroids. It is also said, albeit not loudly that cruciferous vegetables cause sluggish thyroids too. Hmmmm, I wonder how far that will go since lettuce and cruciferous vegetables are not direct threats to the dairy or meat industries. God's Peace, Gayle God's Peace, Gayle - Mark Sutton Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:30 PM Tofutti "Better Than Cream Cheese" & Recipe From the Tofutti website:Ingredients: water, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, buncha other stuff (including potassium sorbate... yum!)Serving Size: 2 TBServings Per Container: 8Calories: 85Calories From Fat: 45Total Fat: 5gSaturated Fat: 2gWell, over 50% of calories from fat... it's essentially whipped soybean oil, tofu, soy protein, sugar, lactic acid, locust bean, guar and carrageenan gums, salt (160 mg per serving, 60 mg more than "real" Philadelphia Cream Cheese), and mono and diglycerides.Personally, I wouldn't call it a whole food, and even more so, a "better" low-fat vegan alternative to cream cheese.I was curious about "partially hydrogenated soybean oil" and found this interesting statement:"Worse, most partially hydrogenated oil is partially hydrogenated soybean oil. That's a problem, because soybean oil depresses the thyroid--which lowers your energy levels, makes you feel less like exercising, and generally makes you fatter!"The above quote from:http://www.treeligh t.com/health/ nutrition/ PartiallyHydroge natedOils. htmlYeah, "partially hydrogenated oil" technically may not be a Trans Fat, but it's real close.Here's a tofu cream cheese with 7 variations (made from 1% Nori Tofu) that has ingredients you can pronounce and don't come from a laboratory:http://www.fatfree. com/recipes/ condiments/ tofu-cream- cheeseFYI, Markhttp://www.soulvegg ie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 I found this: Thyroid Effects of Soy Protein and Soybean Isoflavones on Thyroid Function in Healthy Adults and Hypothyroid Patients: A Review of the Relevant Literature To cite this paper:Mark Messina, Geoffrey Redmond. Thyroid. March 1, 2006, 16(3): 249-258. doi:10.1089/thy.2006.16.249. Mark Messina, Ph.D. Department of Nutrition, School of Public Health, Loma Linda University, Loma Linda, California. Nutrition Matters, Inc., Port Townsend, Washington. Geoffrey Redmond Hormone Center of New York, New York, New York. Soy foods are a traditional staple of Asian diets but because of their purported health benefits they have become popular in recent years among non-Asians, especially postmenopausal women. There are many bioactive soybean components that may contribute to the hypothesized health benefits of soy but most attention has focused on the isoflavones, which have both hormonal and nonhormonal properties. However, despite the possible benefits concerns have been expressed that soy may be contraindicated for some subsets of the population. One concern is that soy may adversely affect thyroid function and interfere with the absorption of synthetic thyroid hormone. Thus, the purpose of this review is to evaluate the relevant literature and provide the clinician guidance for advising their patients about the effects of soy on thyroid function. In total, 14 trials (thyroid function was not the primary health outcome in any trial) were identified in which the effects of soy foods or isoflavones on at least one measure of thyroid function was assessed in presumably healthy subjects; eight involved women only, four involved men, and two both men and women. With only one exception, either no effects or only very modest changes were noted in these trials. Thus, collectively the findings provide little evidence that in euthyroid, iodine-replete individuals, soy foods, or isoflavones adversely affect thyroid function. In contrast, some evidence suggests that soy foods, by inhibiting absorption, may increase the dose of thyroid hormone required by hypothyroid patients. However, hypothyroid adults need not avoid soy foods. In addition, there remains a theoretical concern based on in vitro and animal data that in individuals with compromised thyroid function and/or whose iodine intake is marginal soy foods may increase risk of developing clinical hypothyroidism. Therefore, it is important for soy food consumers to make sure their intake of iodine is adequate. - AmieJPMS Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:25 AM soybeans and oil ok, I am slightly new to all of this, but I have been eating soy beans and tofu and I am hearing alot lately about not consuming soybean oil for the reasons you wrote below. I am confused... what is the difference? Amie P Before you print think about the ENVIRONMENT Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Gayle <dilemma5 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:54:09 PMRe: Tofutti "Better Than Cream Cheese" & Recipe I agree with you, Mark about the Tofutti products (will wonders never cease? LOL). I was going to recommend to the person who wrote about consuming Tofutti "cream cheese" that Tofutti is probably never a great product to consume. I mentioned to Dr. Reed Mangels, RD. Ph.D. years ago when Tofutti came out with their ice soy that I ate it from time-to-time. She said it was pure junk and strongly cautioned me against consuming it. When I looked into it and subsequently into other products Tofutti made, the same held true - it is pure junk. It is better to make your own "cream cheesesour cream", etc... than it is to consume Tofutti. There are plenty of recipes floating around the web for these products and I'm sure there are others on this list who have their favorite recipes for such things. I don't eat them so I can't provide tried and true recipes for them but most likely someone can. I mean no disrespect, however the truth of the matter concerning soy and thyroid function, Mark is that soy only depresses the thyroid if you are already low in iodine. Soy has gotten a bad rap as it relates to thyroid issues. I spoke in length to my endocrinologist about this since I have severely hypothyroidism (have had since before I became vegan and before soy products were anywhere near being part of my diet. It is hereditary in my family - mother, both brothers, sister, and me all have it). He stated I had no worries about consuming soy. Believe me, with the problem I have my thyroid, if he thought for an instance that it would impact its function to eat soy products, he would have said so immediately. I have read and researched this issue since Kaayla Daniels came out with her smear campaign backed by the Weston A. Price Foundation against soy. Check out the info on vrg.org. When I tried to go Synthroid free and manage my thyroid via diet, I found my thyroid levels did not change for the worse from when I started trying to manage it via diet throughout my attempt and I ate soy during that time so even without Synthroid, the soy had no impact on my thyroid. Unfortunately for me, diet control for this did not work and I am back on Synthroid. My children also consume soy and their energy levels are phenomenal! FWIW, there is info now going around now that lettuce causes sluggish thyroids. It is also said, albeit not loudly that cruciferous vegetables cause sluggish thyroids too. Hmmmm, I wonder how far that will go since lettuce and cruciferous vegetables are not direct threats to the dairy or meat industries. God's Peace, Gayle God's Peace, Gayle - Mark Sutton Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:30 PM Tofutti "Better Than Cream Cheese" & Recipe From the Tofutti website:Ingredients: water, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, buncha other stuff (including potassium sorbate... yum!)Serving Size: 2 TBServings Per Container: 8Calories: 85Calories From Fat: 45Total Fat: 5gSaturated Fat: 2gWell, over 50% of calories from fat... it's essentially whipped soybean oil, tofu, soy protein, sugar, lactic acid, locust bean, guar and carrageenan gums, salt (160 mg per serving, 60 mg more than "real" Philadelphia Cream Cheese), and mono and diglycerides.Personally, I wouldn't call it a whole food, and even more so, a "better" low-fat vegan alternative to cream cheese.I was curious about "partially hydrogenated soybean oil" and found this interesting statement:"Worse, most partially hydrogenated oil is partially hydrogenated soybean oil. That's a problem, because soybean oil depresses the thyroid--which lowers your energy levels, makes you feel less like exercising, and generally makes you fatter!"The above quote from:http://www.treeligh t.com/health/ nutrition/ PartiallyHydroge natedOils. htmlYeah, "partially hydrogenated oil" technically may not be a Trans Fat, but it's real close.Here's a tofu cream cheese with 7 variations (made from 1% Nori Tofu) that has ingredients you can pronounce and don't come from a laboratory:http://www.fatfree. com/recipes/ condiments/ tofu-cream- cheeseFYI, Markhttp://www.soulvegg ie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 and this: http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/109662003772519859 - Janet Coe Hammond Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:04 AM Re: soybeans and oil I found this: Thyroid Effects of Soy Protein and Soybean Isoflavones on Thyroid Function in Healthy Adults and Hypothyroid Patients: A Review of the Relevant Literature To cite this paper:Mark Messina, Geoffrey Redmond. Thyroid. March 1, 2006, 16(3): 249-258. doi:10.1089/thy.2006.16.249. Mark Messina, Ph.D. Department of Nutrition, School of Public Health, Loma Linda University, Loma Linda, California. Nutrition Matters, Inc., Port Townsend, Washington. Geoffrey Redmond Hormone Center of New York, New York, New York. Soy foods are a traditional staple of Asian diets but because of their purported health benefits they have become popular in recent years among non-Asians, especially postmenopausal women. There are many bioactive soybean components that may contribute to the hypothesized health benefits of soy but most attention has focused on the isoflavones, which have both hormonal and nonhormonal properties. However, despite the possible benefits concerns have been expressed that soy may be contraindicated for some subsets of the population. One concern is that soy may adversely affect thyroid function and interfere with the absorption of synthetic thyroid hormone. Thus, the purpose of this review is to evaluate the relevant literature and provide the clinician guidance for advising their patients about the effects of soy on thyroid function. In total, 14 trials (thyroid function was not the primary health outcome in any trial) were identified in which the effects of soy foods or isoflavones on at least one measure of thyroid function was assessed in presumably healthy subjects; eight involved women only, four involved men, and two both men and women. With only one exception, either no effects or only very modest changes were noted in these trials. Thus, collectively the findings provide little evidence that in euthyroid, iodine-replete individuals, soy foods, or isoflavones adversely affect thyroid function. In contrast, some evidence suggests that soy foods, by inhibiting absorption, may increase the dose of thyroid hormone required by hypothyroid patients. However, hypothyroid adults need not avoid soy foods. In addition, there remains a theoretical concern based on in vitro and animal data that in individuals with compromised thyroid function and/or whose iodine intake is marginal soy foods may increase risk of developing clinical hypothyroidism. Therefore, it is important for soy food consumers to make sure their intake of iodine is adequate. - AmieJPMS Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:25 AM soybeans and oil ok, I am slightly new to all of this, but I have been eating soy beans and tofu and I am hearing alot lately about not consuming soybean oil for the reasons you wrote below. I am confused... what is the difference? Amie P Before you print think about the ENVIRONMENT Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Gayle <dilemma5 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:54:09 PMRe: Tofutti "Better Than Cream Cheese" & Recipe I agree with you, Mark about the Tofutti products (will wonders never cease? LOL). I was going to recommend to the person who wrote about consuming Tofutti "cream cheese" that Tofutti is probably never a great product to consume. I mentioned to Dr. Reed Mangels, RD. Ph.D. years ago when Tofutti came out with their ice soy that I ate it from time-to-time. She said it was pure junk and strongly cautioned me against consuming it. When I looked into it and subsequently into other products Tofutti made, the same held true - it is pure junk. It is better to make your own "cream cheesesour cream", etc... than it is to consume Tofutti. There are plenty of recipes floating around the web for these products and I'm sure there are others on this list who have their favorite recipes for such things. I don't eat them so I can't provide tried and true recipes for them but most likely someone can. I mean no disrespect, however the truth of the matter concerning soy and thyroid function, Mark is that soy only depresses the thyroid if you are already low in iodine. Soy has gotten a bad rap as it relates to thyroid issues. I spoke in length to my endocrinologist about this since I have severely hypothyroidism (have had since before I became vegan and before soy products were anywhere near being part of my diet. It is hereditary in my family - mother, both brothers, sister, and me all have it). He stated I had no worries about consuming soy. Believe me, with the problem I have my thyroid, if he thought for an instance that it would impact its function to eat soy products, he would have said so immediately. I have read and researched this issue since Kaayla Daniels came out with her smear campaign backed by the Weston A. Price Foundation against soy. Check out the info on vrg.org. When I tried to go Synthroid free and manage my thyroid via diet, I found my thyroid levels did not change for the worse from when I started trying to manage it via diet throughout my attempt and I ate soy during that time so even without Synthroid, the soy had no impact on my thyroid. Unfortunately for me, diet control for this did not work and I am back on Synthroid. My children also consume soy and their energy levels are phenomenal! FWIW, there is info now going around now that lettuce causes sluggish thyroids. It is also said, albeit not loudly that cruciferous vegetables cause sluggish thyroids too. Hmmmm, I wonder how far that will go since lettuce and cruciferous vegetables are not direct threats to the dairy or meat industries. God's Peace, Gayle God's Peace, Gayle - Mark Sutton Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:30 PM Tofutti "Better Than Cream Cheese" & Recipe From the Tofutti website:Ingredients: water, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, buncha other stuff (including potassium sorbate... yum!)Serving Size: 2 TBServings Per Container: 8Calories: 85Calories From Fat: 45Total Fat: 5gSaturated Fat: 2gWell, over 50% of calories from fat... it's essentially whipped soybean oil, tofu, soy protein, sugar, lactic acid, locust bean, guar and carrageenan gums, salt (160 mg per serving, 60 mg more than "real" Philadelphia Cream Cheese), and mono and diglycerides.Personally, I wouldn't call it a whole food, and even more so, a "better" low-fat vegan alternative to cream cheese.I was curious about "partially hydrogenated soybean oil" and found this interesting statement:"Worse, most partially hydrogenated oil is partially hydrogenated soybean oil. That's a problem, because soybean oil depresses the thyroid--which lowers your energy levels, makes you feel less like exercising, and generally makes you fatter!"The above quote from:http://www.treeligh t.com/health/ nutrition/ PartiallyHydroge natedOils. htmlYeah, "partially hydrogenated oil" technically may not be a Trans Fat, but it's real close.Here's a tofu cream cheese with 7 variations (made from 1% Nori Tofu) that has ingredients you can pronounce and don't come from a laboratory:http://www.fatfree. com/recipes/ condiments/ tofu-cream- cheeseFYI, Markhttp://www.soulvegg ie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Two men who did not know each other have told me that soy consumption resulted in their development of gynecomastia ("man boobs"), but the following studies: http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/137/6/1390 and http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/132/3/570S appear to refute their anecdotal experiences. With isoflavone dosing at 10-fold typical, however (http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a785830668~db=all) several men did experience gynecomastia and hot flashes. It appears that soy is exonerated!! - Janet Coe Hammond Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:15 AM Re: soybeans and oil and this: http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/109662003772519859 - Janet Coe Hammond Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:04 AM Re: soybeans and oil I found this: Thyroid Effects of Soy Protein and Soybean Isoflavones on Thyroid Function in Healthy Adults and Hypothyroid Patients: A Review of the Relevant Literature To cite this paper:Mark Messina, Geoffrey Redmond. Thyroid. March 1, 2006, 16(3): 249-258. doi:10.1089/thy.2006.16.249. Mark Messina, Ph.D. Department of Nutrition, School of Public Health, Loma Linda University, Loma Linda, California. Nutrition Matters, Inc., Port Townsend, Washington. Geoffrey Redmond Hormone Center of New York, New York, New York. Soy foods are a traditional staple of Asian diets but because of their purported health benefits they have become popular in recent years among non-Asians, especially postmenopausal women. There are many bioactive soybean components that may contribute to the hypothesized health benefits of soy but most attention has focused on the isoflavones, which have both hormonal and nonhormonal properties. However, despite the possible benefits concerns have been expressed that soy may be contraindicated for some subsets of the population. One concern is that soy may adversely affect thyroid function and interfere with the absorption of synthetic thyroid hormone. Thus, the purpose of this review is to evaluate the relevant literature and provide the clinician guidance for advising their patients about the effects of soy on thyroid function. In total, 14 trials (thyroid function was not the primary health outcome in any trial) were identified in which the effects of soy foods or isoflavones on at least one measure of thyroid function was assessed in presumably healthy subjects; eight involved women only, four involved men, and two both men and women. With only one exception, either no effects or only very modest changes were noted in these trials. Thus, collectively the findings provide little evidence that in euthyroid, iodine-replete individuals, soy foods, or isoflavones adversely affect thyroid function. In contrast, some evidence suggests that soy foods, by inhibiting absorption, may increase the dose of thyroid hormone required by hypothyroid patients. However, hypothyroid adults need not avoid soy foods. In addition, there remains a theoretical concern based on in vitro and animal data that in individuals with compromised thyroid function and/or whose iodine intake is marginal soy foods may increase risk of developing clinical hypothyroidism. Therefore, it is important for soy food consumers to make sure their intake of iodine is adequate. - AmieJPMS Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:25 AM soybeans and oil ok, I am slightly new to all of this, but I have been eating soy beans and tofu and I am hearing alot lately about not consuming soybean oil for the reasons you wrote below. I am confused... what is the difference? Amie P Before you print think about the ENVIRONMENT Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Gayle <dilemma5 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:54:09 PMRe: Tofutti "Better Than Cream Cheese" & Recipe I agree with you, Mark about the Tofutti products (will wonders never cease? LOL). I was going to recommend to the person who wrote about consuming Tofutti "cream cheese" that Tofutti is probably never a great product to consume. I mentioned to Dr. Reed Mangels, RD. Ph.D. years ago when Tofutti came out with their ice soy that I ate it from time-to-time. She said it was pure junk and strongly cautioned me against consuming it. When I looked into it and subsequently into other products Tofutti made, the same held true - it is pure junk. It is better to make your own "cream cheesesour cream", etc... than it is to consume Tofutti. There are plenty of recipes floating around the web for these products and I'm sure there are others on this list who have their favorite recipes for such things. I don't eat them so I can't provide tried and true recipes for them but most likely someone can. I mean no disrespect, however the truth of the matter concerning soy and thyroid function, Mark is that soy only depresses the thyroid if you are already low in iodine. Soy has gotten a bad rap as it relates to thyroid issues. I spoke in length to my endocrinologist about this since I have severely hypothyroidism (have had since before I became vegan and before soy products were anywhere near being part of my diet. It is hereditary in my family - mother, both brothers, sister, and me all have it). He stated I had no worries about consuming soy. Believe me, with the problem I have my thyroid, if he thought for an instance that it would impact its function to eat soy products, he would have said so immediately. I have read and researched this issue since Kaayla Daniels came out with her smear campaign backed by the Weston A. Price Foundation against soy. Check out the info on vrg.org. When I tried to go Synthroid free and manage my thyroid via diet, I found my thyroid levels did not change for the worse from when I started trying to manage it via diet throughout my attempt and I ate soy during that time so even without Synthroid, the soy had no impact on my thyroid. Unfortunately for me, diet control for this did not work and I am back on Synthroid. My children also consume soy and their energy levels are phenomenal! FWIW, there is info now going around now that lettuce causes sluggish thyroids. It is also said, albeit not loudly that cruciferous vegetables cause sluggish thyroids too. Hmmmm, I wonder how far that will go since lettuce and cruciferous vegetables are not direct threats to the dairy or meat industries. God's Peace, Gayle God's Peace, Gayle - Mark Sutton Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:30 PM Tofutti "Better Than Cream Cheese" & Recipe From the Tofutti website:Ingredients: water, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, buncha other stuff (including potassium sorbate... yum!)Serving Size: 2 TBServings Per Container: 8Calories: 85Calories From Fat: 45Total Fat: 5gSaturated Fat: 2gWell, over 50% of calories from fat... it's essentially whipped soybean oil, tofu, soy protein, sugar, lactic acid, locust bean, guar and carrageenan gums, salt (160 mg per serving, 60 mg more than "real" Philadelphia Cream Cheese), and mono and diglycerides.Personally, I wouldn't call it a whole food, and even more so, a "better" low-fat vegan alternative to cream cheese.I was curious about "partially hydrogenated soybean oil" and found this interesting statement:"Worse, most partially hydrogenated oil is partially hydrogenated soybean oil. That's a problem, because soybean oil depresses the thyroid--which lowers your energy levels, makes you feel less like exercising, and generally makes you fatter!"The above quote from:http://www.treeligh t.com/health/ nutrition/ PartiallyHydroge natedOils. htmlYeah, "partially hydrogenated oil" technically may not be a Trans Fat, but it's real close.Here's a tofu cream cheese with 7 variations (made from 1% Nori Tofu) that has ingredients you can pronounce and don't come from a laboratory:http://www.fatfree. com/recipes/ condiments/ tofu-cream- cheeseFYI, Markhttp://www.soulvegg ie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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