Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Often wondered why some vegans try so hard to find substitutes for animal and dairy foods. I mean, if you really get it, that animal and dairy is bad for you, then why keep trying to find faux animal and dairy? Does anyone out there understand my question? Tofu dogs, Tofu turkey, Butter sticks, even Silk. It's like an alcoholic hooked on non-alcoholic beer, it doesn't really make sense. I dunno, it just seems disingenuous to me. I'm not talking about the health aspect, or even the ethical aspect. I mean, if you get it, you get it, if you don't… well then I suppose you're forever trying to make a faux hamburger. Having said that, this is not meant to condemn those of you who enjoy finding ways to transition to a vegan diet. I suppose that is a good thing, but at some point you have to understand it, I mean really understand it. Anybody know of a good vegan substitute for eating Styrofoam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 On 6/22/08, Russell <elvisload wrote: > > I'm not talking about the > health aspect, or even the ethical aspect. What aspect are you talking about? > I mean, if you get it, you > get it, if you don't… Spell it out for me. Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 What aspect are you talking about?Spell it out for me.Sparrow The intellectual one i suppose...or logical aspect?Does one look for substitutes for eating dirt? glass? motor oil?Does one try to find things that are just like jumping into the deep end of an empty swimming pool, only good for you? Or as the poet said, "life is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake" Russell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 no no, I totally get what youre saying. :-) I think it stems from just "habit" you know... milk in cereal, cheese in sandwiches and on pizza...etc. When I first became vegan, I looked for "meat substitues" cause that was just what I was used to and I was trying to make the transition easier on me and my family. Then as I kept reading around more on the internet, I realised there were so many other things besides "meat" that could accompany meals. Quinoa??? What the heck is THAT? So I bought some... dang, it's good. I even found Inca red quinoa. Nutritional yeast? Do I need to make bread with it? I'm confused. A little more research later and it's a daily food sprinkle for me and my fam! I think you all know I am saying... my eyes had been opened and there is just SO much more! I ate an UGLI fruit last night! WOW! DELISH!!! I probably never would have picked something like that up during my pre-began days, cause, man, it's UGLY. lol It'sjust really cool how I'm learning more and more every day about the different things that are out there for us to eat... I will say "beef" crumbles rock in tacos and you'd really never know the difference. I do like veggie burgers at cookouts ( I try not to look at those as substitues but more veggie patties which conveniently fit on the buns the hosts are providing. :-D hee hee) I have stared down a veggie dog and I won.... I still haven't tried it. The package is in my freezer and I am nervous. lol my kids used to like cereal and milk, so the now love their cereal and silk. I love my tea and creamer so silk creamer is it for me. I guess it's just habit but I TOTALLY get what you're saying... :-) Anyone ever go to a science museum when they were young and get the dehydrated space ice cream? LOL! THAT reminds me of styrofoam, just not vegan. heh heh Amie P Before you print think about the ENVIRONMENT Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Russell <elvisload Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:56:04 AM Yummy styrafoam, and it's good for you! Often wondered why some vegans try so hard to find substitutes for animal and dairy foods. I mean, if you really get it, that animal and dairy is bad for you, then why keep trying to find faux animal and dairy? Does anyone out there understand my question?Tofu dogs, Tofu turkey, Butter sticks, even Silk. It's like an alcoholic hooked on non-alcoholic beer, it doesn't really make sense. I dunno, it just seems disingenuous to me. I'm not talking about the health aspect, or even the ethical aspect. I mean, if you get it, you get it, if you don't… well then I suppose you're forever trying to make a faux hamburger.Having said that, this is not meant to condemn those of you who enjoy finding ways to transition to a vegan diet. I suppose that is a good thing, but at some point you have to understand it, I mean really understand it.Anybody know of a good vegan substitute for eating Styrofoam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 I think this would be 100% IF the person was vegan from birth and eating meat was never a thing. I dunno, what do you think? I'm a dirt worshipping tree hugging animal lover..... but I don't eat dirt, kill trees or chew on my animal friends. :-) Amie A. Webster National Educator John Paul Mitchell Systems & HairLines, Inc. P Before you print think about the ENVIRONMENT Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Russell <elvisload Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:33:45 AM Re: Yummy styrafoam, and it's good for you! What aspect are you talking about?Spell it out for me.Sparrow The intellectual one i suppose...or logical aspect?Does one look for substitutes for eating dirt? glass? motor oil?Does one try to find things that are just like jumping into the deep end of an empty swimming pool, only good for you? Or as the poet said, "life is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake" Russell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Nor, I presume, do you build a tree of clay and then kill it... And of course we are all born vegan until we find that nipple...takes about 6 seconds... lol , AmieJPMS <amiejpms wrote: > > I think this would be 100% IF the person was vegan from birth and eating meat was never a thing. I dunno, what do you think? > I'm a dirt worshipping tree hugging animal lover..... but I don't eat dirt, kill trees or chew on my animal friends. :-) > > > Amie A. Webster > National Educator > John Paul Mitchell Systems & HairLines, Inc. > > PBefore you printthink about theENVIRONMENT > Please don't print this e-mail unless youreally need to. > > > > > Russell <elvisload > > Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:33:45 AM > Re: Yummy styrafoam, and it's good for you! > > > What aspect are you talking about? > Spell it out for me. > > Sparrow > The intellectual one i suppose...or logical aspect? > Does one look for substitutes for eating dirt? glass? motor oil? > Does one try to find things that are just like jumping into the deep end of an empty swimming pool, only good for you? > Or as the poet said, " life is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake " > Russell > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Russell wrote: > Often wondered why some vegans try so hard to find substitutes for > animal and dairy foods. I mean, if you really get it, that animal and > dairy is bad for you, then why keep trying to find faux animal and > dairy? Does anyone out there understand my question? Because they like some of the qualities of meat and don't want to kill animals to get those qualities? What I wonder is why some people try so hard to denigrate other people's food choices. Serene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 > Because they like some of the qualities of meat and don't want to > kill > animals to get those qualities? What I wonder is why some people > try so > hard to denigrate other people's food choices. Excellent response, and a perfect time for me to step in and remind everyone that this is off-topic. So let's try not to get into a long back and forth about this, please. Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Plenty of ethnic cultures eat bean patty-type foods, falafel being a primeexample from my own family. As far as rice milk and such... again, it is a commonbeverage in other-than-Western cultures.I'm not sure why any other bean patty or beverage would cause you such ethical distress, unless you are anti-corporate. In which case, make your own! I *am* fairly certain, however, that you might be ethnocentric regarding food...GeorgetteOn Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Russell <elvisload wrote: Often wondered why some vegans try so hard to find substitutes for animal and dairy foods. I mean, if you really get it, that animal and dairy is bad for you, then why keep trying to find faux animal and dairy? Does anyone out there understand my question? Tofu dogs, Tofu turkey, Butter sticks, even Silk. It's like an alcoholic hooked on non-alcoholic beer, it doesn't really make sense. I dunno, it just seems disingenuous to me. I'm not talking about the health aspect, or even the ethical aspect. I mean, if you get it, you get it, if you don't… well then I suppose you're forever trying to make a faux hamburger. Having said that, this is not meant to condemn those of you who enjoy finding ways to transition to a vegan diet. I suppose that is a good thing, but at some point you have to understand it, I mean really understand it. Anybody know of a good vegan substitute for eating Styrofoam? -- Georgette Nicolaidesblogcritics.org/writer/gettehttp://www.myspace.com/vegfestsyracuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Sometimes those type products are helpful to new vegetarians, or to someone who is working toward a certain goal. For example, we used to go and eat vegetarian burritos quite regularly. Not only was that getting expensive, but they have non-vegan ingredients. So, I decided to create a homemade version, and my first go-round included a faux sour cream (for which I suffered embarrassment for making such a poor choice, from comments I got on this list). That's okay, because my next go-round was minus that faux stuff and includes more salsa and added veggies, and we no longer have a desire to eat commercially prepared ones. The point is, a lot of us are in transition becoming vegetarian or becoming better at being vegetarians. We aren't doing it perfectly yet, but we are working on it! , " Russell " <elvisload wrote: > > Often wondered why some vegans try so hard to find substitutes for > animal and dairy foods. I mean, if you really get it, that animal and > dairy is bad for you, then why keep trying to find faux animal and > dairy? Does anyone out there understand my question? > Tofu dogs, Tofu turkey, Butter sticks, even Silk. It's like an > alcoholic hooked on non-alcoholic beer, it doesn't really make sense. > I dunno, it just seems disingenuous to me. I'm not talking about the > health aspect, or even the ethical aspect. I mean, if you get it, you > get it, if you don't… well then I suppose you're forever trying to make > a faux hamburger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Firstly, I think it helps enormously when people first become vegan to find substitutes for the things they are used to. Secondly, what does burger or sausage actually mean? It means a lump of stuff made into a round shape or a long cylindrical shape. A burger or a sausage is not a naturally occuring piece of meat. So, if we get a load of beans, rice and veg and squash it into a round shape, it is a burger as much as getting a load of mince, wheat and herbs and doing the same. I don't really see what difference it makes anyway, some people are happy with a plate of veg and rice, whilst others need something resembling meat and two veg, I don't see how one view is superior to another as long as it's vegan. we all have our own personal approaches and all are valid and should not be sneared at. Shell. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2095 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 We, each of us, are someplace on the path of enlightenment - though few will reach it in this lifetime. I hope that those who are further along will reach out to me with compassion but I mostly pray that I can show others the compassion I need rather than the haughtiness I struggle with. I took a "nutritional anthropology class at IU in the '70s. It is very interesting what people eat. Two weeks ago, Time magazine had an article on entomophagy. It is fascinating how people nurture themselves, but only those from a culture of excess can afford to be picky. We could learn so much from each other! Janet - georgetten Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:36 AM Re: Yummy styrafoam, and it's good for you! Plenty of ethnic cultures eat bean patty-type foods, falafel being a primeexample from my own family. As far as rice milk and such... again, it is a commonbeverage in other-than-Western cultures.I'm not sure why any other bean patty or beverage would cause you such ethical distress, unless you are anti-corporate. In which case, make your own! I *am* fairly certain, however, that you might be ethnocentric regarding food...Georgette On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Russell <elvisload > wrote: Often wondered why some vegans try so hard to find substitutes for animal and dairy foods. I mean, if you really get it, that animal and dairy is bad for you, then why keep trying to find faux animal and dairy? Does anyone out there understand my question?Tofu dogs, Tofu turkey, Butter sticks, even Silk. It's like an alcoholic hooked on non-alcoholic beer, it doesn't really make sense. I dunno, it just seems disingenuous to me. I'm not talking about the health aspect, or even the ethical aspect. I mean, if you get it, you get it, if you don't… well then I suppose you're forever trying to make a faux hamburger.Having said that, this is not meant to condemn those of you who enjoy finding ways to transition to a vegan diet. I suppose that is a good thing, but at some point you have to understand it, I mean really understand it.Anybody know of a good vegan substitute for eating Styrofoam?-- Georgette Nicolaidesblogcritics.org/writer/gettehttp://www.myspace.com/vegfestsyracuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 lol awesome. true true. P Before you print think about the ENVIRONMENT Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Russell <elvisload Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:32:35 PM Re: Yummy styrafoam, and it's good for you! Nor, I presume, do you build a tree of clay and then kill it...And of course we are all born vegan until we find that nipple...takes about 6 seconds... lol, AmieJPMS <amiejpms@.. .> wrote:>> I think this would be 100% IF the person was vegan from birth and eating meat was never a thing. I dunno, what do you think?> I'm a dirt worshipping tree hugging animal lover..... but I don't eat dirt, kill trees or chew on my animal friends. :-)> > > Amie A. Webster> National Educator> John Paul Mitchell Systems & HairLines, Inc.> > PBefore you printthink about theENVIRONMENT> Please don't print this e-mail unless youreally need to.> > > > > Russell <elvisload@. ..>> > Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:33:45 AM> Re: Yummy styrafoam, and it's good for you!> > > What aspect are you talking about?> Spell it out for me.> > Sparrow> The intellectual one i suppose...or logical aspect?> Does one look for substitutes for eating dirt? glass? motor oil?> Does one try to find things that are just like jumping into the deep end of an empty swimming pool, only good for you?> Or as the poet said, "life is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake"> Russell> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Georgette, I read a book that says to use felaffel mix and bake it in the oven as bean patties instead of frying them. My daughter and I love them, but are trying to cut down on fat. Have you tried to bake them? If so, should they be flattened or in little ball form? Thank you. Maureen georgetten <georgetten Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:36:05 AMRe: Yummy styrafoam, and it's good for you! Plenty of ethnic cultures eat bean patty-type foods, falafel being a primeexample from my own family. As far as rice milk and such... again, it is a commonbeverage in other-than-Western cultures.I'm not sure why any other bean patty or beverage would cause you such ethical distress, unless you are anti-corporate. In which case, make your own! I *am* fairly certain, however, that you might be ethnocentric regarding food...Georgette On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Russell <elvisload (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Often wondered why some vegans try so hard to find substitutes for animal and dairy foods. I mean, if you really get it, that animal and dairy is bad for you, then why keep trying to find faux animal and dairy? Does anyone out there understand my question?Tofu dogs, Tofu turkey, Butter sticks, even Silk. It's like an alcoholic hooked on non-alcoholic beer, it doesn't really make sense. I dunno, it just seems disingenuous to me. I'm not talking about the health aspect, or even the ethical aspect. I mean, if you get it, you get it, if you don't… well then I suppose you're forever trying to make a faux hamburger.Having said that, this is not meant to condemn those of you who enjoy finding ways to transition to a vegan diet. I suppose that is a good thing, but at some point you have to understand it, I mean really understand it.Anybody know of a good vegan substitute for eating Styrofoam?-- Georgette Nicolaidesblogcritics. org/writer/ gettehttp://www.myspace. com/vegfestsyrac use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 What thoughtful words, Janet; thank you for sharing this.......... Sheri , " Janet Coe Hammond " <janetcoe wrote: > > We, each of us, are someplace on the path of enlightenment - though few will reach it in this lifetime. I hope that those who are further along will reach out to me with compassion but I mostly pray that I can show others the compassion I need rather than the haughtiness I struggle with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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