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Katarína_Hviezdarková <katarinahviezdarkova wrote: Hi Peter,

 

speaking about fasting: the need for fasting does not need to go

down, some people have tendency to eat lighter and some of them even

try to be breatharians.

 

It depends, I think.

 

Katarina

 

 

 

rawfood , " Peter Gardiner "

 

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> Barbara,

>

> Your parents were right.

>

> Our digestions were built upon ripe fruit which has nearly all we

need. Of

> course fruit has fibre which can be removed with a juicer but then

the lower

> gut is deprived of its basic fodder. Like it or not there is a

lot of

> important chemistry that goes on in that area as it has for

millions of

> years and goes on far more with other primates and mammals. The

place for

> juicing is in and out of fasting, whilst in transition and to

offer cooked

> food eaters as a break from the awful bunk they shove down

themselves.

>

> I find that with a raw diet the need for fasting goes down as well.

>

> Peter

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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breatharians?

 

Peter

 

 

jozef surovy [rawkov]

26 March 2004 01:49

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Katarína_Hviezdarková <katarinahviezdarkova wrote: Hi Peter,

 

speaking about fasting: the need for fasting does not need to go

down, some people have tendency to eat lighter and some of them even

try to be breatharians.

 

It depends, I think.

 

Katarina

 

 

 

rawfood , " Peter Gardiner "

 

wrote:

> Barbara,

>

> Your parents were right.

>

> Our digestions were built upon ripe fruit which has nearly all we

need. Of

> course fruit has fibre which can be removed with a juicer but then

the lower

> gut is deprived of its basic fodder. Like it or not there is a

lot of

> important chemistry that goes on in that area as it has for

millions of

> years and goes on far more with other primates and mammals. The

place for

> juicing is in and out of fasting, whilst in transition and to

offer cooked

> food eaters as a break from the awful bunk they shove down

themselves.

>

> I find that with a raw diet the need for fasting goes down as well.

>

> Peter

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yeah, I also heard about this guy who was reported to only breath air over

quite long periods of time back in the seventies.. lived in Denver. It was

documented that he didn't eat food only breathed.

 

Jesse

 

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" Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner

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Friday, March 26, 2004 7:41 AM

RE: [Raw Food] fasting

 

 

breatharians?

 

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Now I have lost the thread. Why should I be concerned about breatharians?

 

Peter

 

 

studio53 [studio53]

26 March 2004 15:15

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Yeah, I also heard about this guy who was reported to only breath air over

quite long periods of time back in the seventies.. lived in Denver. It was

documented that he didn't eat food only breathed.

 

Jesse

 

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<rawfood >

Friday, March 26, 2004 7:41 AM

RE: [Raw Food] fasting

 

 

breatharians?

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

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I have done juice fasting for several days at a time. I used the approach

in How to Keep Slim, Healthy and Young With Juice Fasting by Paavo

Airola. Basically you spend a day or two eating only fruit and vegetables,

then a few days just having vegetable and fruit juices. I found it rather

purifying. However, he strongly recommends against total fasting. He says

that the vitamins and minerals in the juices help your body detoxify

itself. Probably also not a good idea to do it for more than a few days.

 

Jeremy

 

At 01:22 AM 8/7/2004, your brain seems to have output the following:

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Is there anyone here who has experience with fasting? I'm

researching it right now. I'd also like to do this at some

point....but I'd probably have to wait until my Christmas break to

have time to rest....and even then I'm not sure that I could

convince my parents that fasting is healthy.... they'd probably

notice that I wasn't eating :-p

 

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If I feel I need to 'fast', I simply stop eating solid foods and just use

liquid suppliments for the fasting time instead. Perhaps not a true fast in the

sense of the word, but that way it doesn't starve the body of nutrients.

 

Pete...

 

http://www.primalvision.net

 

" There is a vitality, a life force, an energy, a quickening, that is translated

through you into action, and because there is only one of you in all time, this

expression is unique. And if you block it, it will never exist through any

other medium and will be lost " - Martha Graham

 

 

 

 

 

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In the true sense of fasting, nothing of nutritional value is taken into the

body so that means I will be only drinking water. I need to give my body

total rest and that include juices which take energy to digest.

 

But if you are more comfortable with juices, then by all means drink juice

only for two weeks. It's better than a burger and fries!

 

Shari

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Hi,

My husband and I do a one day juice detox atleast once a week and we do water

therapy daily. We have experienced many benefits. Hopefully you find this

helpful.

Check out http://www.healthyjuicecentral.info/juice-detox for a juice detox

and for recipes.

Terry,

http://www.healthyjuicecentral.info

 

Kelly Willhauck <spunky wrote: I would love to.

Are you doing a juice or just water fast?

 

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How can you guys live on only water for 2 weeks?

That baffles me - I would need lemon juice or something mixed in.

You must not have to go to work.

I am not even sure I could do that for 2 weeks if I stayed at home.

Tell me your plan.

Judy

 

I like the one day detox and water therapy much better.

 

 

 

On 5/20/06, Kelly Willhauck <spunky wrote:

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> I agree that nothing should be taken in but water

> thats what i was planning on doing..

>

>

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From what I understand, more than a three day water fast should be

done under close supervision. There are fasting retreats where people

are trained to care for the participants. I'm with you, Judy. I

couldn't do something even close to that and still go to work. I'm not

sure that anything like that is necessary. A good, clean raw food diet

should be sufficient.

 

Tommie

http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com

 

rawfood , " Judy Cozza " <judycozza wrote:

>

> How can you guys live on only water for 2 weeks?

> That baffles me - I would need lemon juice or something mixed in.

> You must not have to go to work.

> I am not even sure I could do that for 2 weeks if I stayed at home.

> Tell me your plan.

> Judy

>

> I like the one day detox and water therapy much better.

>

>

>

> On 5/20/06, Kelly Willhauck <spunky wrote:

> >

> > I agree that nothing should be taken in but water

> > thats what i was planning on doing..

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Yeah - I'd be *very* careful undertaking something like that

unsupervised. You really need somebody around who is trained in caring

for people who are water fasting to recognize warning signs, etc., and

to get you back on to solid food safely.

 

I have a friend who does a 3 week water fast every year and goes to a

retreat to do it. He's in bed pretty much the whole time and is

monitored constantly, and says he wouldn't do it any other way.

 

Fasting is a great tool, and I'm definitely cheering you on. I'm just

a little concerned about undertaking it on your own. Do you at least

have access to a naturopath or another heath practitioner who is very

familiar with fasting that you can check in with? I think it's

important...

 

Bridgitte

 

 

 

 

rawfood , " Tommie " <jerushy wrote:

>

> From what I understand, more than a three day water fast should be

> done under close supervision. There are fasting retreats where people

> are trained to care for the participants. I'm with you, Judy. I

> couldn't do something even close to that and still go to work. I'm not

> sure that anything like that is necessary. A good, clean raw food diet

> should be sufficient.

>

> Tommie

> http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com

>

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Oops - I forgot to mention that the same friend did a 10 day water

fast on his own and had a very bad time the last few days, even after

being raw for over a year, and that's why he decided to go the

supervised route.

 

Bridgitte

 

rawfood , " Bridgitte " <syndactylcat wrote:

> I have a friend who does a 3 week water fast every year and goes to a

> retreat to do it. He's in bed pretty much the whole time and is

> monitored constantly, and says he wouldn't do it any other way.

>

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Thanks for all the comments on water fasts.

I wasn't the one planning to do it - but asked the questions to learn more.

 

I think Tommie and Brigette gave excellent council.

Thank you very much.

Judy

 

 

On 5/20/06, Tommie <jerushy wrote:

>

> From what I understand, more than a three day water fast should be

> done under close supervision. There are fasting retreats where people

> are trained to care for the participants. I'm with you, Judy. I

> couldn't do something even close to that and still go to work. I'm not

> sure that anything like that is necessary. A good, clean raw food diet

> should be sufficient.

>

> Tommie

> http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com

>

>

> rawfood , " Judy Cozza " <judycozza wrote:

> >

> > How can you guys live on only water for 2 weeks?

> > That baffles me - I would need lemon juice or something mixed in.

> > You must not have to go to work.

> > I am not even sure I could do that for 2 weeks if I stayed at home.

> > Tell me your plan.

> > Judy

> >

> > I like the one day detox and water therapy much better.

> >

> >

> >

> > On 5/20/06, Kelly Willhauck <spunky wrote:

> > >

> > > I agree that nothing should be taken in but water

> > > thats what i was planning on doing..

>

 

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Yikes - Bridgitte - I didn't mean to misspell your name.

Forgive me.

Judy

 

 

 

On 5/21/06, Judy Cozza <judycozza wrote:

>

> Thanks for all the comments on water fasts.

> I wasn't the one planning to do it - but asked the questions to learn

> more.

>

> I think Tommie and Brigette gave excellent council.

> Thank you very much.

> Judy

>

>

>

> On 5/20/06, Tommie <jerushy wrote:

> >

> > From what I understand, more than a three day water fast should be

> > done under close supervision. There are fasting retreats where people

> > are trained to care for the participants. I'm with you, Judy. I

> > couldn't do something even close to that and still go to work. I'm not

> > sure that anything like that is necessary. A good, clean raw food diet

> > should be sufficient.

> >

> > Tommie

> > http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com

> >

> >

> > rawfood , " Judy Cozza " <judycozza wrote:

> > >

> > > How can you guys live on only water for 2 weeks?

> > > That baffles me - I would need lemon juice or something mixed in.

> > > You must not have to go to work.

> > > I am not even sure I could do that for 2 weeks if I stayed at home.

> > > Tell me your plan.

> > > Judy

> > >

> > > I like the one day detox and water therapy much better.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 5/20/06, Kelly Willhauck <spunky wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I agree that nothing should be taken in but water

> > > > thats what i was planning on doing..

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Heh - thanks for noticing!

 

Bridgitte

rawfood , " Judy Cozza " <judycozza wrote:

>

> Yikes - Bridgitte - I didn't mean to misspell your name.

> Forgive me.

> Judy

>

>

>

> On 5/21/06, Judy Cozza <judycozza wrote:

> >

> > Thanks for all the comments on water fasts.

> > I wasn't the one planning to do it - but asked the questions to learn

> > more.

> >

> > I think Tommie and Brigette gave excellent council.

> > Thank you very much.

> > Judy

> >

> >

> >

> > On 5/20/06, Tommie <jerushy wrote:

> > >

> > > From what I understand, more than a three day water fast should be

> > > done under close supervision. There are fasting retreats where

people

> > > are trained to care for the participants. I'm with you, Judy. I

> > > couldn't do something even close to that and still go to work.

I'm not

> > > sure that anything like that is necessary. A good, clean raw

food diet

> > > should be sufficient.

> > >

> > > Tommie

> > > http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com

> > >

> > >

> > > rawfood , " Judy Cozza " <judycozza@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > How can you guys live on only water for 2 weeks?

> > > > That baffles me - I would need lemon juice or something mixed in.

> > > > You must not have to go to work.

> > > > I am not even sure I could do that for 2 weeks if I stayed at

home.

> > > > Tell me your plan.

> > > > Judy

> > > >

> > > > I like the one day detox and water therapy much better.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 5/20/06, Kelly Willhauck <spunky@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree that nothing should be taken in but water

> > > > > thats what i was planning on doing..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Hi, Tymothy.

 

The blood work that he had done was a pretty basic workup you would have done at any regular checkup, as I understand it: liver function, kidney function, electrolytes, blood glucose, thyroid function. He weighed weekly, and checked his blood pressure at least daily, and often times 2-3 times per day. He checked his blood glucose when curiosity struck him (maybe every 2-3 days or so) and used a urine test strip to check his ketones daily at the beginning and end of the fast, but less often during the middle (again, maybe every 2-3 days).

 

I hope this helps, and I would be happy to answer any other questions that come up.

Angie

On 7/10/08, miracles28 <jellyphish wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Angie,Nice post! I am beginning a series of fasts and am curious what typeof blood work your partner received? Did he do any other form ofmonitoring such as a stool analysis or pH/litmus paper? Thanks again...Tymothy " Angie Steelman " <masteelman wrote:>> Nikita,> > My husband has completed two fasts (water only) in the last 18months; one

> for 28 days and the most recent was for 30 days (he just came off ofit at> the beginning of this month). It is well established that fasting is> therapeutic for a number of health problems; for him the driving

motivation> was lowering blood pressure without starting medications and the pending> birth of our daughter - he definitely wants to see her grow up. Hefollowed> a protocol from this journal article:

> > http://www.healthpromoting.com/335-339Goldhamer115263.QXD.pdf

> > Before his first fast, his blood pressure was averaging around200/120; his> blood pressure stabilized after the fast to average around 115/70. He lost> >50 pounds during the fast and continued to lose weight upon

reintroduction> of a very low salt/very low fat vegan diet, hitting a total loss of >100> pounds. He hit a stumbling block in December when his mother passedaway> (he gained about 25 pounds as a result of eating too many nuts and

seeds -> you can gain weight on a vegan diet), and started the second fast torefocus> his efforts as much as anything else. He has lost the 25 pounds and> continues to lose by eating a diet described by Joel Fuhrman in Eat to

> Live. He has never taken blood pressure lowering or cholesterollowering> medications and it doesn't appear from his blood work that he needs to.> > > Here are some of our experiences worth noting:

> > Physical activity needed to be limited during a fast; he could get tired> rather easily. He was still able to keep up with our 10-month-olddaughter,> walk around the grocery store, and keep up with our garden (for the most

> part), but extreme physical activity was tiring.> Reintroduction of foods began with a day of juicing for every week of> fasting.> The fast itself was not directly monitored by a physician, but he

had blood> work done once during each fast to check for any potential problems or> imbalances. The results were clear of both.> The second fast seemed to be easier (he had been eating muchhealthier than

> before the first fast; his body had much less detoxification to do).> The sensation of " hunger " passes after the third day or so. During the> second fast, after 30 days he experienced what Dr. Fuhrman describes as

> " true hunger " which is felt at the back of the throat (as opposed to " toxic> hunger " which is what is usually felt in the stomach " ). He decidedat that> point to end his fast.

> > I hope that this is helpful to you; if you would like to knowanything else,> let me know.> > Angie> -- > Angie Steelman> > " ...we live to survive our paradoxes... "

>

-- Angie Steelman

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I've some friends in their late 60s who've done the water fasting under medical

supervision (Goldhammer) twice in the past two years. They've raved about it

all, and they've managed to keep the weight off since through a no-added fat

vegan diet.

 

I've never done the water fast, but I have done " juice fasts. " At one point, I

fasted for seven days on fresh orange juice, while still swimming 1/2 mile every

other day. Got kind of orangish tint to my skin...

 

....cocky, I broke the fast with pizza and screwdrivers... definitely not

recommended, but didn't seem to bother me.

 

Some people take to fasting, not all can (and I don't believe it's just that

there's too many poisons in their system). I found it a good physical,

emotional, mental, and spiritual experience, and it taught me much about myself.

 

Haven't done it too many times, though. I did a 29 day fruit only fast at one

point, during Winter while traveling to'n'from Dallas/DC twice weekly, that

although difficult in getting the food sometimes, was somewhat refreshing.

 

Speaking for myself, trying to do it now with so much going on would be hard and

unless one can focus and block out some large periods of " quiet " time, I

wouldn't recommend it. My opinion that, like doing hallucinogenics, setting,

mood, research, and proper prep is important (not recommending those, either).

 

Best, Mark

http://www.soulveggie.com

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>Shouldn't eating vegan cause our weights to balance to normal? What

would cause excess weight if we are truly eating vegan?

 

Some people are made to be heavier than others. Some of us can eat at

little as 800 calories of low fat, whole grain vegan foods a day and

still weigh in the obese BMI range, whereas others can eat 3000 calories

and lose. We're all different, metabolize foods differently.

 

 

Sue in NJ

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Don't *I* know that first hand... my husband eats EVERYTHING and doesn't gain an ounce. I just walk by a window display of pastries and watch the reflection of my heiney grow.

*sigh*

 

 

 

 

Amie

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Sue in NJ <sue_in_nj Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 1:50:59 PMRe: Re: Fasting

 

>Shouldn't eating vegan cause our weights to balance to normal? Whatwould cause excess weight if we are truly eating vegan?Some people are made to be heavier than others. Some of us can eat atlittle as 800 calories of low fat, whole grain vegan foods a day andstill weigh in the obese BMI range, whereas others can eat 3000 caloriesand lose. We're all different, metabolize foods differently.Sue in NJ

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You only have one heiney?

I have two. :(:P

 

Samantha

 

 

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Don't *I* know that first hand... my husband eats EVERYTHING and doesn't gain an ounce. I just walk by a window display of pastries and watch the reflection of my heiney grow.

*sigh*

 

 

 

 

Amie

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Sue in NJ <sue_in_nj (AT) prodigy (DOT) net> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 1:50:59 PMRe: Re: Fasting

 

>Shouldn't eating vegan cause our weights to balance to normal? Whatwould cause excess weight if we are truly eating vegan?Some people are made to be heavier than others. Some of us can eat atlittle as 800 calories of low fat, whole grain vegan foods a day andstill weigh in the obese BMI range, whereas others can eat 3000 caloriesand lose. We're all different, metabolize foods differently.Sue in NJ

 

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>You only have one heiney?

I have two. :(:P

 

Like me, she probably only has one, but there's a big crack in it. LOL

 

(Sorry - it's a bad joke my son once told me)

 

 

Sue in NJ

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It's funny, i am on the second day of a three day water fast and i'm

finding it exceedingly difficult! I know that i'm cleansing as my

urine is yellow today (and was clear yesterday with only water), and

feel that maybe i'm pretty toxic as i used to eat the SAD and did some

drugs that aren't exactly health promoting. But what's funny is that

in general i don't really care for tofu, but now...man what i wouldn't

give! And to think that food doesn't affect consciousness? I realise

that food is the first drug, cause i'm craving!

Cheers...Tym

 

" Sue in NJ " <sue_in_nj wrote:

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> >You only have one heiney?

> I have two. :(:P

>

> Like me, she probably only has one, but there's a big crack in it. LOL

>

> (Sorry - it's a bad joke my son once told me)

>

>

> Sue in NJ

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From what I've read (in many places): If one eats

excessive amounts of carbs, especially concentrated carbohydrates

(found in refined grain, sugar and tubers) , the excess turns to fat.

That was a good thing in times before bountiful food supplies were

available. It allowed people to survive on their fat stores until they

could find nourishment. It's different for most of us now.

If we vegans eat mostly high-bulk, low-caloric-density but

nutritious foods, we should all be able to maintain a "normal" weight

and vigorous good health, while eating as much as we want to. The good

health depends partially on beginning life on such a diet, and

continuing it. For those that have grown up considering that eating

flesh, and refined carbs is normal: they may develop certain diseases

caused by the omnivorous lifestyle. Veganism may lessen the impact,

and some ailments can be put into full remission, but many of the

diseases are not completely reversible.

(My 2¢)

Norm

 

 

 

 

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Posted by: "Shelley"

moondrop000 moondrop000

Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:39 am (PDT)

Susan,

 

That is disheartening. I wonder why. I had hoped all vegans were

thin! This is all new to me. But I have to admit I see a lot of

vegan recipes full of oil and sugar. That surprises me.

 

Shelley H

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