Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Katarína_Hviezdarková <katarinahviezdarkova wrote: Hi Peter, speaking about fasting: the need for fasting does not need to go down, some people have tendency to eat lighter and some of them even try to be breatharians. It depends, I think. Katarina rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " wrote: > Barbara, > > Your parents were right. > > Our digestions were built upon ripe fruit which has nearly all we need. Of > course fruit has fibre which can be removed with a juicer but then the lower > gut is deprived of its basic fodder. Like it or not there is a lot of > important chemistry that goes on in that area as it has for millions of > years and goes on far more with other primates and mammals. The place for > juicing is in and out of fasting, whilst in transition and to offer cooked > food eaters as a break from the awful bunk they shove down themselves. > > I find that with a raw diet the need for fasting goes down as well. > > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 breatharians? Peter jozef surovy [rawkov] 26 March 2004 01:49 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] fasting Katarína_Hviezdarková <katarinahviezdarkova wrote: Hi Peter, speaking about fasting: the need for fasting does not need to go down, some people have tendency to eat lighter and some of them even try to be breatharians. It depends, I think. Katarina rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " wrote: > Barbara, > > Your parents were right. > > Our digestions were built upon ripe fruit which has nearly all we need. Of > course fruit has fibre which can be removed with a juicer but then the lower > gut is deprived of its basic fodder. Like it or not there is a lot of > important chemistry that goes on in that area as it has for millions of > years and goes on far more with other primates and mammals. The place for > juicing is in and out of fasting, whilst in transition and to offer cooked > food eaters as a break from the awful bunk they shove down themselves. > > I find that with a raw diet the need for fasting goes down as well. > > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Yeah, I also heard about this guy who was reported to only breath air over quite long periods of time back in the seventies.. lived in Denver. It was documented that he didn't eat food only breathed. Jesse - " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner <rawfood > Friday, March 26, 2004 7:41 AM RE: [Raw Food] fasting breatharians? Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Now I have lost the thread. Why should I be concerned about breatharians? Peter studio53 [studio53] 26 March 2004 15:15 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] fasting Yeah, I also heard about this guy who was reported to only breath air over quite long periods of time back in the seventies.. lived in Denver. It was documented that he didn't eat food only breathed. Jesse - " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner <rawfood > Friday, March 26, 2004 7:41 AM RE: [Raw Food] fasting breatharians? Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 I have done juice fasting for several days at a time. I used the approach in How to Keep Slim, Healthy and Young With Juice Fasting by Paavo Airola. Basically you spend a day or two eating only fruit and vegetables, then a few days just having vegetable and fruit juices. I found it rather purifying. However, he strongly recommends against total fasting. He says that the vitamins and minerals in the juices help your body detoxify itself. Probably also not a good idea to do it for more than a few days. Jeremy At 01:22 AM 8/7/2004, your brain seems to have output the following: ----------------------- Is there anyone here who has experience with fasting? I'm researching it right now. I'd also like to do this at some point....but I'd probably have to wait until my Christmas break to have time to rest....and even then I'm not sure that I could convince my parents that fasting is healthy.... they'd probably notice that I wasn't eating :-p ----------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 If I feel I need to 'fast', I simply stop eating solid foods and just use liquid suppliments for the fasting time instead. Perhaps not a true fast in the sense of the word, but that way it doesn't starve the body of nutrients. Pete... http://www.primalvision.net " There is a vitality, a life force, an energy, a quickening, that is translated through you into action, and because there is only one of you in all time, this expression is unique. And if you block it, it will never exist through any other medium and will be lost " - Martha Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 I would love to. Are you doing a juice or just water fast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 In the true sense of fasting, nothing of nutritional value is taken into the body so that means I will be only drinking water. I need to give my body total rest and that include juices which take energy to digest. But if you are more comfortable with juices, then by all means drink juice only for two weeks. It's better than a burger and fries! Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Hi, My husband and I do a one day juice detox atleast once a week and we do water therapy daily. We have experienced many benefits. Hopefully you find this helpful. Check out http://www.healthyjuicecentral.info/juice-detox for a juice detox and for recipes. Terry, http://www.healthyjuicecentral.info Kelly Willhauck <spunky wrote: I would love to. Are you doing a juice or just water fast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 I agree that nothing should be taken in but water thats what i was planning on doing.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 How can you guys live on only water for 2 weeks? That baffles me - I would need lemon juice or something mixed in. You must not have to go to work. I am not even sure I could do that for 2 weeks if I stayed at home. Tell me your plan. Judy I like the one day detox and water therapy much better. On 5/20/06, Kelly Willhauck <spunky wrote: > > I agree that nothing should be taken in but water > thats what i was planning on doing.. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 From what I understand, more than a three day water fast should be done under close supervision. There are fasting retreats where people are trained to care for the participants. I'm with you, Judy. I couldn't do something even close to that and still go to work. I'm not sure that anything like that is necessary. A good, clean raw food diet should be sufficient. Tommie http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com rawfood , " Judy Cozza " <judycozza wrote: > > How can you guys live on only water for 2 weeks? > That baffles me - I would need lemon juice or something mixed in. > You must not have to go to work. > I am not even sure I could do that for 2 weeks if I stayed at home. > Tell me your plan. > Judy > > I like the one day detox and water therapy much better. > > > > On 5/20/06, Kelly Willhauck <spunky wrote: > > > > I agree that nothing should be taken in but water > > thats what i was planning on doing.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Yeah - I'd be *very* careful undertaking something like that unsupervised. You really need somebody around who is trained in caring for people who are water fasting to recognize warning signs, etc., and to get you back on to solid food safely. I have a friend who does a 3 week water fast every year and goes to a retreat to do it. He's in bed pretty much the whole time and is monitored constantly, and says he wouldn't do it any other way. Fasting is a great tool, and I'm definitely cheering you on. I'm just a little concerned about undertaking it on your own. Do you at least have access to a naturopath or another heath practitioner who is very familiar with fasting that you can check in with? I think it's important... Bridgitte rawfood , " Tommie " <jerushy wrote: > > From what I understand, more than a three day water fast should be > done under close supervision. There are fasting retreats where people > are trained to care for the participants. I'm with you, Judy. I > couldn't do something even close to that and still go to work. I'm not > sure that anything like that is necessary. A good, clean raw food diet > should be sufficient. > > Tommie > http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Oops - I forgot to mention that the same friend did a 10 day water fast on his own and had a very bad time the last few days, even after being raw for over a year, and that's why he decided to go the supervised route. Bridgitte rawfood , " Bridgitte " <syndactylcat wrote: > I have a friend who does a 3 week water fast every year and goes to a > retreat to do it. He's in bed pretty much the whole time and is > monitored constantly, and says he wouldn't do it any other way. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Thanks for all the comments on water fasts. I wasn't the one planning to do it - but asked the questions to learn more. I think Tommie and Brigette gave excellent council. Thank you very much. Judy On 5/20/06, Tommie <jerushy wrote: > > From what I understand, more than a three day water fast should be > done under close supervision. There are fasting retreats where people > are trained to care for the participants. I'm with you, Judy. I > couldn't do something even close to that and still go to work. I'm not > sure that anything like that is necessary. A good, clean raw food diet > should be sufficient. > > Tommie > http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com > > > rawfood , " Judy Cozza " <judycozza wrote: > > > > How can you guys live on only water for 2 weeks? > > That baffles me - I would need lemon juice or something mixed in. > > You must not have to go to work. > > I am not even sure I could do that for 2 weeks if I stayed at home. > > Tell me your plan. > > Judy > > > > I like the one day detox and water therapy much better. > > > > > > > > On 5/20/06, Kelly Willhauck <spunky wrote: > > > > > > I agree that nothing should be taken in but water > > > thats what i was planning on doing.. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Yikes - Bridgitte - I didn't mean to misspell your name. Forgive me. Judy On 5/21/06, Judy Cozza <judycozza wrote: > > Thanks for all the comments on water fasts. > I wasn't the one planning to do it - but asked the questions to learn > more. > > I think Tommie and Brigette gave excellent council. > Thank you very much. > Judy > > > > On 5/20/06, Tommie <jerushy wrote: > > > > From what I understand, more than a three day water fast should be > > done under close supervision. There are fasting retreats where people > > are trained to care for the participants. I'm with you, Judy. I > > couldn't do something even close to that and still go to work. I'm not > > sure that anything like that is necessary. A good, clean raw food diet > > should be sufficient. > > > > Tommie > > http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com > > > > > > rawfood , " Judy Cozza " <judycozza wrote: > > > > > > How can you guys live on only water for 2 weeks? > > > That baffles me - I would need lemon juice or something mixed in. > > > You must not have to go to work. > > > I am not even sure I could do that for 2 weeks if I stayed at home. > > > Tell me your plan. > > > Judy > > > > > > I like the one day detox and water therapy much better. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/20/06, Kelly Willhauck <spunky wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree that nothing should be taken in but water > > > > thats what i was planning on doing.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Heh - thanks for noticing! Bridgitte rawfood , " Judy Cozza " <judycozza wrote: > > Yikes - Bridgitte - I didn't mean to misspell your name. > Forgive me. > Judy > > > > On 5/21/06, Judy Cozza <judycozza wrote: > > > > Thanks for all the comments on water fasts. > > I wasn't the one planning to do it - but asked the questions to learn > > more. > > > > I think Tommie and Brigette gave excellent council. > > Thank you very much. > > Judy > > > > > > > > On 5/20/06, Tommie <jerushy wrote: > > > > > > From what I understand, more than a three day water fast should be > > > done under close supervision. There are fasting retreats where people > > > are trained to care for the participants. I'm with you, Judy. I > > > couldn't do something even close to that and still go to work. I'm not > > > sure that anything like that is necessary. A good, clean raw food diet > > > should be sufficient. > > > > > > Tommie > > > http://www.rawburchard.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > rawfood , " Judy Cozza " <judycozza@> wrote: > > > > > > > > How can you guys live on only water for 2 weeks? > > > > That baffles me - I would need lemon juice or something mixed in. > > > > You must not have to go to work. > > > > I am not even sure I could do that for 2 weeks if I stayed at home. > > > > Tell me your plan. > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > I like the one day detox and water therapy much better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/20/06, Kelly Willhauck <spunky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I agree that nothing should be taken in but water > > > > > thats what i was planning on doing.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 Hi, Tymothy. The blood work that he had done was a pretty basic workup you would have done at any regular checkup, as I understand it: liver function, kidney function, electrolytes, blood glucose, thyroid function. He weighed weekly, and checked his blood pressure at least daily, and often times 2-3 times per day. He checked his blood glucose when curiosity struck him (maybe every 2-3 days or so) and used a urine test strip to check his ketones daily at the beginning and end of the fast, but less often during the middle (again, maybe every 2-3 days). I hope this helps, and I would be happy to answer any other questions that come up. Angie On 7/10/08, miracles28 <jellyphish wrote: Angie,Nice post! I am beginning a series of fasts and am curious what typeof blood work your partner received? Did he do any other form ofmonitoring such as a stool analysis or pH/litmus paper? Thanks again...Tymothy " Angie Steelman " <masteelman wrote:>> Nikita,> > My husband has completed two fasts (water only) in the last 18months; one > for 28 days and the most recent was for 30 days (he just came off ofit at> the beginning of this month). It is well established that fasting is> therapeutic for a number of health problems; for him the driving motivation> was lowering blood pressure without starting medications and the pending> birth of our daughter - he definitely wants to see her grow up. Hefollowed> a protocol from this journal article: > > http://www.healthpromoting.com/335-339Goldhamer115263.QXD.pdf > > Before his first fast, his blood pressure was averaging around200/120; his> blood pressure stabilized after the fast to average around 115/70. He lost> >50 pounds during the fast and continued to lose weight upon reintroduction> of a very low salt/very low fat vegan diet, hitting a total loss of >100> pounds. He hit a stumbling block in December when his mother passedaway> (he gained about 25 pounds as a result of eating too many nuts and seeds -> you can gain weight on a vegan diet), and started the second fast torefocus> his efforts as much as anything else. He has lost the 25 pounds and> continues to lose by eating a diet described by Joel Fuhrman in Eat to > Live. He has never taken blood pressure lowering or cholesterollowering> medications and it doesn't appear from his blood work that he needs to.> > > Here are some of our experiences worth noting: > > Physical activity needed to be limited during a fast; he could get tired> rather easily. He was still able to keep up with our 10-month-olddaughter,> walk around the grocery store, and keep up with our garden (for the most > part), but extreme physical activity was tiring.> Reintroduction of foods began with a day of juicing for every week of> fasting.> The fast itself was not directly monitored by a physician, but he had blood> work done once during each fast to check for any potential problems or> imbalances. The results were clear of both.> The second fast seemed to be easier (he had been eating muchhealthier than > before the first fast; his body had much less detoxification to do).> The sensation of " hunger " passes after the third day or so. During the> second fast, after 30 days he experienced what Dr. Fuhrman describes as > " true hunger " which is felt at the back of the throat (as opposed to " toxic> hunger " which is what is usually felt in the stomach " ). He decidedat that> point to end his fast. > > I hope that this is helpful to you; if you would like to knowanything else,> let me know.> > Angie> -- > Angie Steelman> > " ...we live to survive our paradoxes... " > -- Angie Steelman " ...we live to survive our paradoxes... " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 I've some friends in their late 60s who've done the water fasting under medical supervision (Goldhammer) twice in the past two years. They've raved about it all, and they've managed to keep the weight off since through a no-added fat vegan diet. I've never done the water fast, but I have done " juice fasts. " At one point, I fasted for seven days on fresh orange juice, while still swimming 1/2 mile every other day. Got kind of orangish tint to my skin... ....cocky, I broke the fast with pizza and screwdrivers... definitely not recommended, but didn't seem to bother me. Some people take to fasting, not all can (and I don't believe it's just that there's too many poisons in their system). I found it a good physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual experience, and it taught me much about myself. Haven't done it too many times, though. I did a 29 day fruit only fast at one point, during Winter while traveling to'n'from Dallas/DC twice weekly, that although difficult in getting the food sometimes, was somewhat refreshing. Speaking for myself, trying to do it now with so much going on would be hard and unless one can focus and block out some large periods of " quiet " time, I wouldn't recommend it. My opinion that, like doing hallucinogenics, setting, mood, research, and proper prep is important (not recommending those, either). Best, Mark http://www.soulveggie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 >Shouldn't eating vegan cause our weights to balance to normal? What would cause excess weight if we are truly eating vegan? Some people are made to be heavier than others. Some of us can eat at little as 800 calories of low fat, whole grain vegan foods a day and still weigh in the obese BMI range, whereas others can eat 3000 calories and lose. We're all different, metabolize foods differently. Sue in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Don't *I* know that first hand... my husband eats EVERYTHING and doesn't gain an ounce. I just walk by a window display of pastries and watch the reflection of my heiney grow. *sigh* Amie P Before you print think about the ENVIRONMENT Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Sue in NJ <sue_in_nj Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 1:50:59 PMRe: Re: Fasting >Shouldn't eating vegan cause our weights to balance to normal? Whatwould cause excess weight if we are truly eating vegan?Some people are made to be heavier than others. Some of us can eat atlittle as 800 calories of low fat, whole grain vegan foods a day andstill weigh in the obese BMI range, whereas others can eat 3000 caloriesand lose. We're all different, metabolize foods differently.Sue in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 You only have one heiney? I have two. Samantha - AmieJPMS Friday, July 11, 2008 9:28 PM Re: Re: Fasting Don't *I* know that first hand... my husband eats EVERYTHING and doesn't gain an ounce. I just walk by a window display of pastries and watch the reflection of my heiney grow. *sigh* Amie P Before you print think about the ENVIRONMENT Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Sue in NJ <sue_in_nj (AT) prodigy (DOT) net> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 1:50:59 PMRe: Re: Fasting >Shouldn't eating vegan cause our weights to balance to normal? Whatwould cause excess weight if we are truly eating vegan?Some people are made to be heavier than others. Some of us can eat atlittle as 800 calories of low fat, whole grain vegan foods a day andstill weigh in the obese BMI range, whereas others can eat 3000 caloriesand lose. We're all different, metabolize foods differently.Sue in NJ Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1546 - Release 7/11/2008 6:47 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 >You only have one heiney? I have two. Like me, she probably only has one, but there's a big crack in it. LOL (Sorry - it's a bad joke my son once told me) Sue in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 It's funny, i am on the second day of a three day water fast and i'm finding it exceedingly difficult! I know that i'm cleansing as my urine is yellow today (and was clear yesterday with only water), and feel that maybe i'm pretty toxic as i used to eat the SAD and did some drugs that aren't exactly health promoting. But what's funny is that in general i don't really care for tofu, but now...man what i wouldn't give! And to think that food doesn't affect consciousness? I realise that food is the first drug, cause i'm craving! Cheers...Tym " Sue in NJ " <sue_in_nj wrote: > > >You only have one heiney? > I have two. > > Like me, she probably only has one, but there's a big crack in it. LOL > > (Sorry - it's a bad joke my son once told me) > > > Sue in NJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 From what I've read (in many places): If one eats excessive amounts of carbs, especially concentrated carbohydrates (found in refined grain, sugar and tubers) , the excess turns to fat. That was a good thing in times before bountiful food supplies were available. It allowed people to survive on their fat stores until they could find nourishment. It's different for most of us now. If we vegans eat mostly high-bulk, low-caloric-density but nutritious foods, we should all be able to maintain a "normal" weight and vigorous good health, while eating as much as we want to. The good health depends partially on beginning life on such a diet, and continuing it. For those that have grown up considering that eating flesh, and refined carbs is normal: they may develop certain diseases caused by the omnivorous lifestyle. Veganism may lessen the impact, and some ailments can be put into full remission, but many of the diseases are not completely reversible. (My 2¢) Norm Re: Fasting Posted by: "Shelley" moondrop000 moondrop000 Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:39 am (PDT) Susan, That is disheartening. I wonder why. I had hoped all vegans were thin! This is all new to me. But I have to admit I see a lot of vegan recipes full of oil and sugar. That surprises me. Shelley H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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