Guest guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 Now I read about that somewhere recently too - maybe someone can direct us to a link? My dh and I don't drive - a choice made about thirty years ago so it's no hassle to us - but that doesn't mean we don't have to take the occasional taxi in the city - and then there are planes and trains ;=) But I digress. I was going to say that it is sooooo easy to just get rid of the leather - and to make sure the tires are free of animal fat in their production - and all the rest of it, whatever 'it' is. About the vegan car: it's almost coming back to me now - a very classy little number, I seem to recall . . . Best, Pat ;=) > . . . they are coing out wit vegan cars now, that is to say cars that are made >with no leather or > any other animal products anywhere in or on the car. i think it is > about time. cars...talk about a senseless waste of a life when it is > so easy for them not to use leather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 It seems to me the Honda Element would be considered " vegan, " as the interior is some sort of rubbery-vinyl-type of material -- it's completely hose-down-able! pj Paula Johnson blkntan " He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion. " - Anonymous - About the vegan car: it's almost coming back to me now - a very classy little number, I seem to recall . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 ok if my posts are cinsidered ridiculous, I will not take part any more and you can go on lulling yourself into your security. A true vegetarian eats and uses no animal products A true vegan is required to be even more considerate to life. Kids started calling themselves vegans if they are vegetarians. veganism is a very difficult state to acheive since you call me ridiculous, you won't have to read it anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Dr C wrote: > A true vegetarian eats and uses no animal products > A true vegan is required to be even more considerate to life. Kids started > calling themselves vegans if they are vegetarians. veganism is a very > difficult state to acheive Your definitions are interesting but different from the usually accepted ones. Vegetarian: eats no products obtained as a result of the killing of animals - meat, poultry, game, fish but also such products as gelatine and animal fats. Vegan: as vegetarian but additionally uses no animal products at all - eggs, dairy products, honey, leather, silk, wool, etc. The idea " no food is eaten that kills a plant or interferes with the plant's lifecycle " is not part of veganism. Piers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Hi Dr. C., It sounds to me as though when you are talking about " true veganism " you are actually referring to fruitarianism. This form of veganism does take veganism a huge step farther. http://www.vegsoc.org/info/definitions.html I agree with the gal who wrote & reminded us that the idea of the group here is to offer support & encouragement to one another. I also believe that using a positive approach and a non-judgmental manner out in the " carnivore world " we are less likely to close the minds of carnivores and more likely to make them curious about vegetarianism or veganism as a possible way of living. Sheri , bfriend111@A... wrote: > A true vegan wouldnt eat brown rice anyway. (although it is probably one of > the finest foods on this planet). > > I could be wrong, but I consider veganism a state in which no animal products > are used as food or adornment AND no food is eaten that kills a plant or > interferes with the plant's lifecycle (such as seeds...although purists will eat > seeds that pass through our digestive tract undigested (such as tomatoes). > > It is not easy to be a true vegan. I have only known two in my life, but I > have known many people who consider themselves vegans. > > sorry Dr C > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 I hate to be rude, but this really is ridiculous. God's Peace, Gayle - bfriend111 Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:43 PM Veganism A true vegan wouldnt eat brown rice anyway. (although it is probably one of the finest foods on this planet). I could be wrong, but I consider veganism a state in which no animal products are used as food or adornment AND no food is eaten that kills a plant or interferes with the plant's lifecycle (such as seeds...although purists will eat seeds that pass through our digestive tract undigested (such as tomatoes). It is not easy to be a true vegan. I have only known two in my life, but I have known many people who consider themselves vegans. sorry Dr C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Dr C, I apologize for the abrupt statement of my last e-mail. I meant to embellish with the following, however inadvertently sent the message before I was finished writing it. Check out the definition on the American Vegan Society's site at: http://www.americanvegan.org/vegan.htm The American Vegan Society was created by Jay Dinshah (check out a little bit about him at: http://www.americanvegan.org/founder.htm). He was and still is considered the quintessential vegan and was held in the highest regard among those vegans who knew him or about him. His widow, Freya continues in his stead with the AVS. I don't think many would disagree with his definition of what a true vegan is. I've been a vegan for 35 years now and have never heard a definition like the one you give. Vegans most certainly do eat plants. You tell people to eat grains to get B-12. If I remember correctly, grains are also plants. And BTW,I agree with Pat that there is absolutely nothing wrong with vegan supplements. To tell people that they can everything they need from grains, etc... is not always true and you could very well be misleading people whose bodies do need supplementation. While I agree with you that one should try to get all needed nutrients from the foods they eat, sometimes it doesn't work for any number of reasons. Supplements are then a welcome addition to those people's diets. I would hate to see someone on this list trying needing supplements and not taking them based on what they have read on this list. BTW, you sign your messages as Dr C. I believe Pat asked you what kind of doctor you are but I must have missed your response. Would you post it again? Thanx. God's Peace, Gayle - quintmom Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:09 PM Re: Veganism I hate to be rude, but this really is ridiculous. God's Peace, Gayle - bfriend111 Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:43 PM Veganism A true vegan wouldnt eat brown rice anyway. (although it is probably one of the finest foods on this planet). I could be wrong, but I consider veganism a state in which no animal products are used as food or adornment AND no food is eaten that kills a plant or interferes with the plant's lifecycle (such as seeds...although purists will eat seeds that pass through our digestive tract undigested (such as tomatoes). It is not easy to be a true vegan. I have only known two in my life, but I have known many people who consider themselves vegans. sorry Dr C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 I don't believe I said that you were ridiculous but rather that your statement was ridiculous. God's Peace, Gayle since you call me ridiculous, you won't have to read it anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 Making Kind Choices : Everyday Ways to Enhance Your Life Through Earth- and Animal-Friendly Living -- by Ingrid Newkirk This book has been a huge help to me. It discusses many aspects of animal friendly living and gives many website links to information and products. I also found this book online tonight, but haven't seen it yet: Peta 2005 Shopping Guide For Caring Consumers: A Guide To Products That Are Not Tested On Animals (Shopping Guide for Caring Consumers) -- by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, Peta Only 200 plus messages more to get through! Pant, pant--I think I'm seeing the light . . . . Susan --- linda <lindai81 wrote: > The thing is with being a vegan it can be done step > by step, but in the end if you want to be a vegan > you have to read labels endlessly until you get > familiar with the brands that are vegan or are > marked vegan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Nowhere that I have read states that a vegan diet consists of "ONLY whole grains, and limiting oils and almost no sugar, as a "healthy" diet." I know that is how you're viewing it and that's cool, but you have to be careful of misrepresenting or catagorizing. That is adding a new definition to the word... veganism is and will always be not eating/using animal products in any form. Plain and simple. Veganism is not a diet, but a way of life and thinking. If someone chooses veganism for the healthier aspects of eating, then definitely cutting out animal products AND eating whole grains and limiting oils and sugar are the way to go... but there are TONS of junk food out there that are VERY vegan: like the Sweet & Spicy Doritos my son brought home last night. Completely vegan by the definition of the word. Healthy? HELL NO. So this list keeps the ideas flowing for me so I can continue to cook healthy and low-fat for my family... which is what we need for many reasons besides weight loss. Thanks list! Amie P Before you print think about the ENVIRONMENT Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Shelley <moondrop000 Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 6:52:47 PM Re: Fasting Norman, I am learning that apparently eating "vegan" is not necessarily a healthy way of eating. In other words, there seems to be a broad range of eating habits with vegans. My assumption was it was ALL healthy. But in reality, many recipes are full of oils and sugars and refined grains are eaten. So I don't think all vegans can be put in the same category. I am viewing the vegan diet as ONLY whole grains, and limiting oils and almost no sugar, as a "healthy" diet. So based upon that assumption vegans should not be overweight. The hard part is finding a web site where pure veganism is all that is offered, without the stuff we don't need. I have not eaten "empty" calories since March 19. I must be getting to be a fanatic, but I am sure loving it! Shelley H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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