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Now I read about that somewhere recently too - maybe someone can direct

us to a link? My dh and I don't drive - a choice made about thirty years ago so

it's no hassle to us - but that doesn't mean we don't have to take the

occasional taxi in the city - and then there are planes and trains ;=) But I

digress. I was going to say that it is sooooo easy to just get rid of the

leather -

and to make sure the tires are free of animal fat in their production - and all

the rest of it, whatever 'it' is.

 

About the vegan car: it's almost coming back to me now - a very classy little

number, I seem to recall . . .

 

Best,

Pat ;=)

 

> . . . they are coing out wit vegan cars now, that is to say cars that are

made

>with no leather or

> any other animal products anywhere in or on the car. i think it is

> about time. cars...talk about a senseless waste of a life when it is

> so easy for them not to use leather.

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It seems to me the Honda Element would be considered " vegan, " as the interior is

some sort of rubbery-vinyl-type of material -- it's completely hose-down-able!

 

pj

 

Paula Johnson

blkntan

 

" He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog.

You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours,

faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart.

You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion. " - Anonymous

 

 

-

 

About the vegan car: it's almost coming back to me now - a very classy little

number, I seem to recall . . .

 

 

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ok if my posts are cinsidered ridiculous, I will not take part any more and

you can go on lulling yourself into your security.

 

A true vegetarian eats and uses no animal products

A true vegan is required to be even more considerate to life. Kids started

calling themselves vegans if they are vegetarians. veganism is a very

difficult state to acheive

 

since you call me ridiculous, you won't have to read it anymore

 

 

 

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Dr C wrote:

 

> A true vegetarian eats and uses no animal products

> A true vegan is required to be even more considerate to life. Kids

started

> calling themselves vegans if they are vegetarians. veganism is a very

> difficult state to acheive

 

Your definitions are interesting but different from the usually accepted

ones.

 

Vegetarian: eats no products obtained as a result of the killing of

animals - meat, poultry, game, fish but also such products as gelatine and

animal fats.

 

Vegan: as vegetarian but additionally uses no animal products at all - eggs,

dairy products, honey, leather, silk, wool, etc. The idea " no food is eaten

that kills a plant or interferes with the plant's lifecycle " is not part of

veganism.

 

Piers

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Hi Dr. C.,

 

It sounds to me as though when you are talking about " true veganism "

you are actually referring to fruitarianism. This form of veganism

does take veganism a huge step farther.

 

http://www.vegsoc.org/info/definitions.html

 

I agree with the gal who wrote & reminded us that the idea of the

group here is to offer support & encouragement to one another. I

also believe that using a positive approach and a non-judgmental

manner out in the " carnivore world " we are less likely to close the

minds of carnivores and more likely to make them curious about

vegetarianism or veganism as a possible way of living.

 

Sheri

 

 

 

, bfriend111@A... wrote:

> A true vegan wouldnt eat brown rice anyway. (although it is

probably one of

> the finest foods on this planet).

>

> I could be wrong, but I consider veganism a state in which no

animal products

> are used as food or adornment AND no food is eaten that kills a

plant or

> interferes with the plant's lifecycle (such as seeds...although

purists will eat

> seeds that pass through our digestive tract undigested (such as

tomatoes).

>

> It is not easy to be a true vegan. I have only known two in my

life, but I

> have known many people who consider themselves vegans.

>

> sorry Dr C

>

>

>

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I hate to be rude, but this really is ridiculous.

 

God's Peace,

Gayle

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bfriend111

Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:43 PM

Veganism

 

 

A true vegan wouldnt eat brown rice anyway. (although it is probably one of

the finest foods on this planet).

 

I could be wrong, but I consider veganism a state in which no animal products

are used as food or adornment AND no food is eaten that kills a plant or

interferes with the plant's lifecycle (such as seeds...although purists will

eat

seeds that pass through our digestive tract undigested (such as tomatoes).

 

It is not easy to be a true vegan. I have only known two in my life, but I

have known many people who consider themselves vegans.

 

sorry Dr C

 

 

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Dr C,

I apologize for the abrupt statement of my last e-mail. I meant to embellish

with the following, however inadvertently sent the message before I was finished

writing it.

 

Check out the definition on the American Vegan Society's site at:

http://www.americanvegan.org/vegan.htm

 

The American Vegan Society was created by Jay Dinshah (check out a little bit

about him at: http://www.americanvegan.org/founder.htm). He was and still is

considered the quintessential vegan and was held in the highest regard among

those vegans who knew him or about him. His widow, Freya continues in his stead

with the AVS. I don't think many would disagree with his definition of what a

true vegan is. I've been a vegan for 35 years now and have never heard a

definition like the one you give. Vegans most certainly do eat plants. You

tell people to eat grains to get B-12. If I remember correctly, grains are also

plants.

 

And BTW,I agree with Pat that there is absolutely nothing wrong with vegan

supplements. To tell people that they can everything they need from grains,

etc... is not always true and you could very well be misleading people whose

bodies do need supplementation. While I agree with you that one should try to

get all needed nutrients from the foods they eat, sometimes it doesn't work for

any number of reasons. Supplements are then a welcome addition to those

people's diets. I would hate to see someone on this list trying needing

supplements and not taking them based on what they have read on this list.

 

BTW, you sign your messages as Dr C. I believe Pat asked you what kind of

doctor you are but I must have missed your response. Would you post it again?

Thanx.

 

God's Peace,

Gayle

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quintmom

Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:09 PM

Re: Veganism

 

 

I hate to be rude, but this really is ridiculous.

 

God's Peace,

Gayle

-

bfriend111

Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:43 PM

Veganism

 

 

A true vegan wouldnt eat brown rice anyway. (although it is probably one of

the finest foods on this planet).

 

I could be wrong, but I consider veganism a state in which no animal

products

are used as food or adornment AND no food is eaten that kills a plant or

interferes with the plant's lifecycle (such as seeds...although purists will

eat

seeds that pass through our digestive tract undigested (such as tomatoes).

 

It is not easy to be a true vegan. I have only known two in my life, but I

have known many people who consider themselves vegans.

 

sorry Dr C

 

 

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I don't believe I said that you were ridiculous but rather that your statement

was ridiculous.

 

God's Peace,

Gayle

since you call me ridiculous, you won't have to read it anymore

 

 

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Making Kind Choices : Everyday Ways to Enhance Your

Life Through Earth- and Animal-Friendly Living -- by

Ingrid Newkirk

 

This book has been a huge help to me. It discusses

many aspects of animal friendly living and gives many

website links to information and products.

 

I also found this book online tonight, but haven't

seen it yet:

 

Peta 2005 Shopping Guide For Caring Consumers: A Guide

To Products That Are Not Tested On Animals (Shopping

Guide for Caring Consumers) -- by People for the

Ethical Treatment of Animals, Peta

 

Only 200 plus messages more to get through! Pant,

pant--I think I'm seeing the light . . . . Susan

--- linda <lindai81 wrote:

 

> The thing is with being a vegan it can be done step

> by step, but in the end if you want to be a vegan

> you have to read labels endlessly until you get

> familiar with the brands that are vegan or are

> marked vegan.

 

 

 

 

 

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Nowhere that I have read states that a vegan diet consists of "ONLY whole grains, and limiting oils and almost no sugar, as a "healthy" diet." I know that is how you're viewing it and that's cool, but you have to be careful of misrepresenting or catagorizing. That is adding a new definition to the word... veganism is and will always be not eating/using animal products in any form. Plain and simple. Veganism is not a diet, but a way of life and thinking. If someone chooses veganism for the healthier aspects of eating, then definitely cutting out animal products AND eating whole grains and limiting oils and sugar are the way to go... but there are TONS of junk food out there that are VERY vegan: like the Sweet & Spicy Doritos my son brought home last night. Completely vegan by the definition of the word. Healthy? HELL NO.

So this list keeps the ideas flowing for me so I can continue to cook healthy and low-fat for my family... which is what we need for many reasons besides weight loss.

Thanks list!

 

 

 

 

Amie

P Before you print think about the ENVIRONMENT Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.

 

 

Shelley <moondrop000 Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 6:52:47 PM Re: Fasting

 

 

 

 

 

 

Norman,

 

I am learning that apparently eating "vegan" is not necessarily a healthy way of eating. In other words, there seems to be a broad range of eating habits with vegans. My assumption was it was ALL healthy. But in reality, many recipes are full of oils and sugars and refined grains are eaten. So I don't think all vegans can be put in the same category. I am viewing the vegan diet as ONLY whole grains, and limiting oils and almost no sugar, as a "healthy" diet. So based upon that assumption vegans should not be overweight. The hard part is finding a web site where pure veganism is all that is offered, without the stuff we don't need. I have not eaten "empty" calories since March 19.

 

I must be getting to be a fanatic, but I am sure loving it!

 

Shelley H

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