Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 I am a vegetarain and i love seafood but i havent had it in awhile and i miss the fu*k out of it. I just want to know can i eat seafood and still be a vegetarain or not? Caused im not goin to eat it everyday or onces a week. I just want to eat it every onces in awhile. I just want to know if i still be a vegetarain or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Short answer: NOLong answer: Vegetarians don't kill animals to eat. "Enjoy the little things in life, for one day you may look back and realize they were the big things." - Antonio Smithpinkelleluv <pinkelleluv Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:03:34 PM I JUST WANT TO KNO I am a vegetarain and i love seafood but i havent had it in awhile and i miss the fu*k out of it. I just want to know can i eat seafood and still be a vegetarain or not? Caused im not goin to eat it everyday or onces a week. I just want to eat it every onces in awhile. I just want to know if i still be a vegetarain or not?---Check out our recipe files at http://www.fatfreevegan.com . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Nope, you won't be a vegetarian. Fish is a dead animal.There are veggie seafood options you can eat, however. Try this site: www.vegieworld.com On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 7:03 PM, pinkelleluv <pinkelleluv wrote: I am a vegetarain and i love seafood but i havent had it in awhile and i miss the fu*k out of it. I just want to know can i eat seafood and still be a vegetarain or not? Caused im not goin to eat it everyday or onces a week. I just want to eat it every onces in awhile. I just want to know if i still be a vegetarain or not?-- Email: bluerose156AIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com ~Boston_GothicBoston_MysticBoston-Pagans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 On 7/22/08, pinkelleluv <pinkelleluv wrote: > > I am a vegetarain and i love seafood but i havent had it in awhile and > i miss the fu*k out of it. I just want to know can i eat seafood and > still be a vegetarain or not? Caused im not goin to eat it everyday or > onces a week. I just want to eat it every onces in awhile. I just want > to know if i still be a vegetarain or not? If you don't eat any other meats but you do eat seafoods, you are a pescetarian, not a vegetarian. Naturally, you have the right to call yourself whatever you want, but I hope you will not call yourself a vegetarian because the more that people who eat fish and chicken call themselves vegetarian, the more they confuse people on what the word means. I recall one time working a job where I had to live on location so I was trapped there with whatever the cook would feed me. It took me a month and a half of reminding her every time she handed me fish that " vegetarians don't eat fish. " I kept reminding her and she kept not getting it -- probably because she had met too many pescetarians who called themselves vegetarians yet were seen eating fish. I remember the first conversation with her about my diet: me: " I'm a vegetarian, which means I don't eat any kind of meat. " her: " But you eat fish, right? " me: " I don't eat beef, pork, lamb, chicken, turkey, fish, seafood - nothing that is an animal. " her: " Well, what about tuna? " me: " tuna is a fish. I don't eat fish. " her: " What about ,.... um .... salmon? " me: " no. I don't eat fish. " her: " well, how about whitefish? That's nice and light. " me: " no fish. If it swims in the water, I don't eat it. Veg-e-tar-i-an. " I'm totally not kidding about that conversation! And we had the same darned conversation at least once a week until she *finally* understood that fish are animals! guh. So you can see what others might have to face if you call yourself vegetarian. Call yourself pescetarian and if people say " huh? " feel free to explain " I would be a vegetarian except I eat animals from the ocean so I'm not a vegetarian, I'm a pescetarian. " Thanks! Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Just remember, everday is a new day, work toward improvement in your eating everyday, and the benefits will come. Personally, I eat fish maybe about 1 or 2 times a month, the rest of the time, I eat only pototoes, vegetables, salad, grain & fruit, no dairy, no meat, no sugar, no fat. I consider myself to be a vegan.....with fish seldom. Why are you so concerned about the name label. Make wise choices and you will be healthier. It is not a perfection, that you should be heading toward, because if so, you will let yourself down, promised. I hope this helps, Venus--- On Tue, 7/22/08, pinkelleluv <pinkelleluv wrote: pinkelleluv <pinkelleluv I JUST WANT TO KNO Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 7:03 PM I am a vegetarain and i love seafood but i havent had it in awhile and i miss the fu*k out of it. I just want to know can i eat seafood and still be a vegetarain or not? Caused im not goin to eat it everyday or onces a week. I just want to eat it every onces in awhile. I just want to know if i still be a vegetarain or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 You're not vegan if you eat fish. Omgs. Don't call yourself a vegan if you eat dead animals--you make it THAT much harder for us who are! If you don't care about labels, then don't call yourself something you're not. On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Venus Cruz <dollstop1 wrote: Just remember, everday is a new day, work toward improvement in your eating everyday, and the benefits will come. Personally, I eat fish maybe about 1 or 2 times a month, the rest of the time, I eat only pototoes, vegetables, salad, grain & fruit, no dairy, no meat, no sugar, no fat. I consider myself to be a vegan.....with fish seldom. Why are you so concerned about the name label. Make wise choices and you will be healthier. It is not a perfection, that you should be heading toward, because if so, you will let yourself down, promised. I hope this helps, Venus --- On Tue, 7/22/08, pinkelleluv <pinkelleluv wrote: pinkelleluv <pinkelleluv I JUST WANT TO KNO Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 7:03 PM I am a vegetarain and i love seafood but i havent had it in awhile and i miss the fu*k out of it. I just want to know can i eat seafood and still be a vegetarain or not? Caused im not goin to eat it everyday or onces a week. I just want to eat it every onces in awhile. I just want to know if i still be a vegetarain or not? -- Email: bluerose156AIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156 http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com~Boston_GothicBoston_Mystic Boston-Pagans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 I had a similar conversation with a lady at a restaurant the other day. My husband & I had bought tickets to see a movie and he was starving, so we went into the closest restaurant because we didn't have time to go to our usual place (which incidentally was 3 blocks up the street, but they were packed and their service isn't exactly fast). So we peroused the menu at this other place, and it's not particularly vegan friendly, but we asked if there was anything vegan they could offer. The woman said, (and I'm not kidding), "Depends. Are you a vegan that eats cheese?" I just had to roll my eyes at that comment and replied, "Vegans don't eat cheese." (At least not the kind they serve at places such as these). I could have gotten a fruit salad, but it was served with either cottage cheese (Disgusting and definitely not vegan) or sherbet (not vegan). I could have ordered it without either of those things, but it wasn't even fresh fruit-it was that horrible fruit cocktail in a can with artificially colored cherries. We still ate there because our movie was going to start in less than half an hour, but I ended up with a plain baked potato and a side salad (lettuce, cucumbers, and carrots). I almost never eat either of those things, because frankly, I suffered from Baked Potato Burnout, because for so many years, that's all anybody had to offer for vegetarians and even less for vegans. "You can have a Baked Po-Ta_to" or "You can have a SAL-ad". When the server gave me my plain potato, she had to ask, "Are you sure you don't want any butter or sour cream with that?" I guess some people still don't understand... I remember the first conversation with her about my diet: me: "I'm a vegetarian, which means I don't eat any kind of meat." her: "But you eat fish, right?" me: "I don't eat beef, pork, lamb, chicken, turkey, fish, seafood - nothing that is an animal." her: "Well, what about tuna?" me: "tuna is a fish. I don't eat fish." her: "What about ,.... um .... salmon?" me: "no. I don't eat fish." her: " well, how about whitefish? That's nice and light." me: "no fish. If it swims in the water, I don't eat it. Veg-e-tar-i-an." I'm totally not kidding about that conversation! And we had the same darned conversation at least once a week until she *finally* understood that fish are animals! guh. So you can see what others might have to face if you call yourself vegetarian. Call yourself pescetarian and if people say "huh?" feel free to explain "I would be a vegetarian except I eat animals from the ocean so I'm not a vegetarian, I'm a pescetarian." Thanks! Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Dear Pinkelleluv and anyone else on this list who still eats animal products,Fish are not vegetables! If you want to eat fish, that's fine, but please don't call yourself Vegetarian or Vegan (no matter how "occasional"). I'm with Sparrow's comment that it only confuses people as to what being a Vegetarian means.I have had countless conversations and even arguments about what I eat and what is considered meat. I've met too many people that say, "Oh, I'm a Vegetarian too, but I eat fish occasionally." And I've also had people try to serve me chicken or fish, saying, "Oh well my friend is a Vegetarian and he/she eats chicken and/or fish." I find it extremely frustrating that I have to explain the true meaning of the word.If you really need to give yourself a label, Flexitarian or Pescatarian would be appropriate. A Flexitarian eats a mostly veg diet with occasional meats like chicken or fish. I'm not going to bash anyone here who eats it occasionally, because I think the less meat eaten the better and if you are on this list it's because you are looking to at least exclude as many animal products as possible. But please do the rest of us a favor and don't make it harder than it already is to be a Vegetarian or Vegan in a meat happy world by clouding the definitions.Veg for Life!Victoriapinkelleluv <pinkelleluv Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:03:34 PM I JUST WANT TO KNOI am a vegetarain and i love seafood but i havent had it in awhile and i miss the fu*k out of it. I just want to know can i eat seafood and still be a vegetarain or not? Caused im not goin to eat it everyday or onces a week. I just want to eat it every onces in awhile. I just want to know if i still be a vegetarain or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Hi I hope you'll remain vegetarian and not eat sea critters! Do you know what aspect of 'seafood' you miss? Is it the taste, a particular dish, the richness...? If you can figure that out, you can probably find an animal-free substitute that will cure your cravings. Best wishes Alice On 23 Jul 2008, at 11:03, pinkelleluv wrote: > I am a vegetarain and i love seafood but i havent had it in awhile and > i miss the fu*k out of it. I just want to know can i eat seafood and > still be a vegetarain or not? Caused im not goin to eat it everyday or > onces a week. I just want to eat it every onces in awhile. I just want > to know if i still be a vegetarain or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 'Vegetarian' simply means a diet that excludes the flesh of animals. Alice On 24 Jul 2008, at 09:40, Nancy G wrote: > even the " vegetarian " magazines and books consider cheese and oil and > other unhealthy ingredients to be vegetarian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 I guess I will have to say I am a flexitarian...because even the "vegetarian" magazines and books consider cheese and oil and other unhealthy ingredients to be vegetarian. I will not renew the subscriptions and I won't make people at potlucks uncomfortable at what they bring and I don't eat.... but if a lobster or some steamer clams makes its way to my place it is certainly welcome! I just tell people I can't eat certain things for health reasons and leave it at that...Nancy and EdOur travel adventures...http://ncyg46.blogspot.com/http://360./ncyg46http://www.flickr.com/photos/ncyg46/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Way to go, that is exactly the thing I was thinking. Vegetarian does not mean healthy, it just means no animal involved. I eat for health.--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Nancy G <ncyg46 wrote: Nancy G <ncyg46 Re: I JUST WANT TO KNO Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 5:40 PM I guess I will have to say I am a flexitarian. ..because even the "vegetarian" magazines and books consider cheese and oil and other unhealthy ingredients to be vegetarian. I will not renew the subscriptions and I won't make people at potlucks uncomfortable at what they bring and I don't eat.... but if a lobster or some steamer clams makes its way to my place it is certainly welcome! I just tell people I can't eat certain things for health reasons and leave it at that...Nancy and EdOur travel adventures.. .http://ncyg46. blogspot. com/http://360.. com/ncyg46http://www.flickr. com/photos/ ncyg46/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 I've been on a Daniel Fast since the 2nd week of April. That's a vegan diet, and I also have gluten allergies and other allergies and sensitivities. To say that it is hard to be on this kind of diet is an understatement. To say that people do not understand is a gross understatement. People automatically think that vegetarians eat eggs and cheese. They also do not get gluten allergies at all. I explain I cannot eat wheat and they think I can eat pasta. Personally I'm tired of trying to get people to figure that out, so I tell them... I can eat every vegetable except for corn. I can eat every fruit except for oranges. CeCe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Cheese and oils are vegetarian. Cheese just isn't *VEGAN*.Vegetarian - means no animal flesh (meat, seafood, poultry). Can eat either eggs and/or dairy.Vegan - means NO animal flesh or products. No eggs, no dairy, no honey. On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Nancy G <ncyg46 wrote: I guess I will have to say I am a flexitarian...because even the " vegetarian " magazines and books consider cheese and oil and other unhealthy ingredients to be vegetarian. I will not renew the subscriptions and I won't make people at potlucks uncomfortable at what they bring and I don't eat.... but if a lobster or some steamer clams makes its way to my place it is certainly welcome! I just tell people I can't eat certain things for health reasons and leave it at that... Nancy and EdOur travel adventures...http://ncyg46.blogspot.com/http://360./ncyg46 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ncyg46/ -- Email: bluerose156AIM: A Blue Rose 156 YM: blue_rose_156http://x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com ~Boston_GothicBoston_MysticBoston-Pagans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 On 7/23/08, Blue Rose <bluerose156 wrote: > > You're not vegan if you eat fish. Omgs. Don't call yourself a > vegan if you eat dead animals--you make it THAT much harder > for us who are! I completely agree. Labels are important because they are ways to quickly and clearly impart information. Misusing labels ruins their value as tools of communication. I am not a vegan because I wear leather shoes, play drums with leather heads, etc. I am careful not to call *myself* vegan, because I don't want to dilute the label (technically, I am a " strict vegetarian " or a " complete vegetarian " ) and the word " vegan " means much more than just what you eat. For example, vegans don't use leather. I use wording like, " I would like some vegan food, " " do you have any vegan food on the menu? " and " I eat a vegan diet, " etc. and if someone asks me, " are you a vegan? " I'm careful to answer, " no, I eat a vegan diet, but veganism is about more than what you eat. I am a total vegetarian. " They can ask for more details if they wanted to learn more about what a vegan is or they can leave it at that - their choice. Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Nancy, Depending from where or whom the fat comes from, it is what determines if a fat is vegetarian or not... i.e. - lard--> pig, tallow---> cow, Corn oil --> corn, olive oil ---> olives. As you can see, Nancy, if it is derived from a grain, fruit, or vegetable or nut, a plant, it is cinsidered vegetarian. If it is from an animal, it is NOT. Alas, health has nothing to do with it; there can be unhealthy vegetarians and unhealthy omnivores. Cheers! Zsu In , Nancy G <ncyg46 wrote: > > I guess I will have to say I am a flexitarian...because even the " vegetarian " magazines and books consider cheese and oil and other unhealthy ingredients to be vegetarian. > > I will not renew the subscriptions and I won't make people at potlucks uncomfortable at what they bring and I don't eat.... but if a lobster or some steamer clams makes its way to my place it is certainly welcome! I just tell people I can't eat certain things for health reasons and leave it at that... > > Nancy and Ed > Our travel adventures... > http://ncyg46.blogspot.com/ > http://360./ncyg46 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ncyg46/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Howdy Pink Eating fish is not vegetarian, however, there is a whole world of seafood in sea-vegetables- nori, wakame, kombu- kelp, dulse , and sea spinach. If you are fortunate to live near a clean area of coastline you can even gather your own, best in spring time. If you miss a good tuna salad, try breaking up a sheet of sushi-nori with some tempe, chopped pickles or celery , a dash of vinegar and some NF tofu mayo-- what a treat, and guilt free too. I used to love fish too, and learned to like sushi, and seaweed a little at a time. Just google "sea vegetables", and you can find many sources for dried products. The added bonus to the taste of the ocean is the mega-servings of minerals that seaplants collect from sea water. As we change ourselves into more benign beings, sometimes our taste-buds fall far behind our good intentions. You can eat fish occasionally and call yourself a "pescatarian", stay away from all flesh, and call yourself "vegetarian", or complete the journey to only plant-based diet and call yourself "vegan." What matters most is the condition of your heart, gratitude for the bounty we partake of , and living peacefully with our fellow-creatures. Blessings on your way! LC Carol pinkelleluv wrote: I am a vegetarain and i love seafood but i havent had it in awhile and i miss the fu*k out of it. I just want to know can i eat seafood and still be a vegetarain or not? Caused im not goin to eat it everyday or onces a week. I just want to eat it every onces in awhile. I just want to know if i still be a vegetarain or not? --- Check out our recipe files at http://www.fatfreevegan.com . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Ah Sparrow, that once a week sounds like Fridays of my childhood. Parochial school, good Catholic parish- no " Meat" on Fridays or during the Lenten season. The church did not consider fish "meat, so that tuna sandwiches were allowed on Fridays as well as peanutbutter. A vast section of the traditional Catholic population has assimilated this reasoning. Traditions are long to change, but worth the patience and perseverance. clear skies to you! lc carol Sparrow R Jones wrote: On 7/22/08, pinkelleluv <pinkelleluv wrote: I am a vegetarain and i love seafood but i havent had it in awhile and i miss the fu*k out of it. I just want to know can i eat seafood and still be a vegetarain or not? Caused im not goin to eat it everyday or onces a week. I just want to eat it every onces in awhile. I just want to know if i still be a vegetarain or not? If you don't eat any other meats but you do eat seafoods, you are a pescetarian, not a vegetarian. Naturally, you have the right to call yourself whatever you want, but I hope you will not call yourself a vegetarian because the more that people who eat fish and chicken call themselves vegetarian, the more they confuse people on what the word means. I recall one time working a job where I had to live on location so I was trapped there with whatever the cook would feed me. It took me a month and a half of reminding her every time she handed me fish that "vegetarians don't eat fish." I kept reminding her and she kept not getting it -- probably because she had met too many pescetarians who called themselves vegetarians yet were seen eating fish. I remember the first conversation with her about my diet: me: "I'm a vegetarian, which means I don't eat any kind of meat." her: "But you eat fish, right?" me: "I don't eat beef, pork, lamb, chicken, turkey, fish, seafood - nothing that is an animal." her: "Well, what about tuna?" me: "tuna is a fish. I don't eat fish." her: "What about ,.... um .... salmon?" me: "no. I don't eat fish." her: " well, how about whitefish? That's nice and light." me: "no fish. If it swims in the water, I don't eat it. Veg-e-tar-i-an." I'm totally not kidding about that conversation! And we had the same darned conversation at least once a week until she *finally* understood that fish are animals! guh. So you can see what others might have to face if you call yourself vegetarian. Call yourself pescetarian and if people say "huh?" feel free to explain "I would be a vegetarian except I eat animals from the ocean so I'm not a vegetarian, I'm a pescetarian." Thanks! Sparrow --- Check out our recipe files at http://www.fatfreevegan.com . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 On 7/23/08, siderea <siderea wrote: > > Ah Sparrow, that once a week sounds like Fridays of my childhood. I didn't write that. I don't eat fishes, not even once a week. > Parochial school, good Catholic parish- no " Meat " on Fridays > or during the Lenten season. The church did not consider fish > " meat, so that tuna sandwiches were allowed on Fridays as well > as peanutbutter. A vast section of the traditional Catholic population > has assimilated this reasoning. I wonder when Catholicism made that change because the Lenten fast dates back to the time when the Catholic and Orthodox churches were the same church, before the split. The Orthodox still do not eat fish during Lent, though fish do have a separate category from other chordate animals and are permitted during some fasts, for example the fast of the Dormition of Mary forbids meats but allows fish. The Orthodox do not eat meat (including not eating fish) on Fridays or Wednesdays. I am Orthodox and it is part of what led me to a vegan diet. We spend 1/3 to 1/2 the year eating vegan due to various fasting periods but it is taught that those who can stay vegan year-round receive blessings and a higher state of spirituality as a result (though all those advantages turn against a person if they then turn and judge what is on someone else's plate.) > Traditions are long to change, but worth the patience and perseverance. I don't want my church's tradition to change since it is the tradition that the vegan diet is the holiest one we should all be striving toward. I love that tradition and want to eat like the many Saints from my church's history who did not eat animals or animal products. > clear skies to you! And to you! Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 On 7/23/08, CeCe Sweet <CeCeSweet wrote: > > People automatically think that vegetarians eat eggs and cheese. That's because vegetarians *do* (or at least can) eat eggs and cheese unless they are complete vegetarians or vegans. Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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