Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 >Esselstyn's diet is design for people with serious heart disease. Nope, Esselstyn's diet recommendations are not just for people with heart disease (although his recommendations about avocados and nuts are). He does use tofu, but in his book, usually only for desserts. His broader diet recommendations reverse and effectively PREVENT heart disease. That's clear in his book, from his lectures, and from interviews (including the one I did). He's explained the mechanism of how the plaques form and, more importantly, how to keep them from forming. Current " modern " science can't do the latter and may not fully understand the former. I don't think it's correct to describe Essy's diet as designed for people with heart disease. Besides, maybe if they'd know about it beforehand, and followed it, they wouldn't have the problem in the first place. McDougall and Ornish (although he's not necessarily recommending vegan) are fairly close to Essy. I take issue with Fuhrman on a couple of things in his dietary recommendations/justifications, and this list isn't the place to voice it all. Also, I don't begrudge anyone making money off products, but I do like that Esselstyn hasn't got any more product than a book. Among other things, Ornish has (or had?) his own line of insipid-tasting frozen foods). And I gotta wonder about anyone spending this much money to buy a flavored vinegar or " ground nut balls " (especially since they are so easy to make yourself): http://www.drfuhrman.com/shop/foodkitchen.aspx .... but, to each their own. Personally, I'll use nuts, avocado, and tofu, every so often, just not in excess (and for me, not every day). I've been following Essy's approach for around 17 months now, and since he's noted that heart disease reversal happens in about 3 to 4 weeks, I'm comfortable that all's well. Now if diet only worked on the friggin' poison ivy I keep getting..... Best, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Mark, I love Essy's book. I hope he writes a more extensive recipe book. What are the names of your favorite recipes in his book I can look up? Everyone else can go to the library and get his book like I did before I bought it. Also, what do you make of McDougall's critics saying this sort of diet causes diabetes? Thanks for your input. Maureen Mark Sutton <msutton Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:57:32 PM Esselstyn's diet - correcting a comment >Esselstyn's diet is design for people with serious heart disease.Nope, Esselstyn's diet recommendations are not just for people with heart disease (although his recommendations about avocados and nuts are). He does use tofu, but in his book, usually only for desserts.His broader diet recommendations reverse and effectively PREVENT heart disease. That's clear in his book, from his lectures, and from interviews (including the one I did). He's explained the mechanism of how the plaques form and, more importantly, how to keep them from forming. Current "modern" science can't do the latter and may not fully understand the former.I don't think it's correct to describe Essy's diet as designed for people with heart disease. Besides, maybe if they'd know about it beforehand, and followed it, they wouldn't have the problem in the first place.McDougall and Ornish (although he's not necessarily recommending vegan) are fairly close to Essy. I take issue with Fuhrman on a couple of things in his dietary recommendations/ justifications, and this list isn't the place to voice it all. Also, I don't begrudge anyone making money off products, but I do like that Esselstyn hasn't got any more product than a book. Among other things, Ornish has (or had?) his own line of insipid-tasting frozen foods). And I gotta wonder about anyone spending this much money to buy a flavored vinegar or "ground nut balls" (especially since they are so easy to make yourself):http://www.drfuhrma n.com/shop/ foodkitchen. aspx... but, to each their own.Personally, I'll use nuts, avocado, and tofu, every so often, just not in excess (and for me, not every day). I've been following Essy's approach for around 17 months now, and since he's noted that heart disease reversal happens in about 3 to 4 weeks, I'm comfortable that all's well.Now if diet only worked on the friggin' poison ivy I keep getting..... Best, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Hi! I wanted to go to the library out here in nashua NH and take out Essys book but I need the name of the book and author??? HELP--- On Thu, 7/24/08, maureen smith <maureensgardengrotto wrote: maureen smith <maureensgardengrottoRe: Esselstyn's diet - correcting a comment Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 6:02 PM Mark, I love Essy's book. I hope he writes a more extensive recipe book. What are the names of your favorite recipes in his book I can look up? Everyone else can go to the library and get his book like I did before I bought it. Also, what do you make of McDougall's critics saying this sort of diet causes diabetes? Thanks for your input. Maureen Mark Sutton <msutton (AT) soulveggie (DOT) com>Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:57:32 PM Esselstyn's diet - correcting a comment >Esselstyn's diet is design for people with serious heart disease.Nope, Esselstyn's diet recommendations are not just for people with heart disease (although his recommendations about avocados and nuts are). He does use tofu, but in his book, usually only for desserts.His broader diet recommendations reverse and effectively PREVENT heart disease. That's clear in his book, from his lectures, and from interviews (including the one I did). He's explained the mechanism of how the plaques form and, more importantly, how to keep them from forming. Current "modern" science can't do the latter and may not fully understand the former.I don't think it's correct to describe Essy's diet as designed for people with heart disease. Besides, maybe if they'd know about it beforehand, and followed it, they wouldn't have the problem in the first place.McDougall and Ornish (although he's not necessarily recommending vegan) are fairly close to Essy. I take issue with Fuhrman on a couple of things in his dietary recommendations/ justifications, and this list isn't the place to voice it all. Also, I don't begrudge anyone making money off products, but I do like that Esselstyn hasn't got any more product than a book. Among other things, Ornish has (or had?) his own line of insipid-tasting frozen foods). And I gotta wonder about anyone spending this much money to buy a flavored vinegar or "ground nut balls" (especially since they are so easy to make yourself):http://www.drfuhrma n.com/shop/ foodkitchen. aspx... but, to each their own.Personally, I'll use nuts, avocado, and tofu, every so often, just not in excess (and for me, not every day). I've been following Essy's approach for around 17 months now, and since he's noted that heart disease reversal happens in about 3 to 4 weeks, I'm comfortable that all's well.Now if diet only worked on the friggin' poison ivy I keep getting..... Best, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Susanna, Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease by Caldwell B. Esselstyn http://www.vegandonelight.com/amazon/?item=1583333002 -Erin (also from NH) http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog - susanna belch Friday, July 25, 2008 6:41 AM Re: Esselstyn's diet - correcting a comment Hi! I wanted to go to the library out here in nashua NH and take out Essys book but I need the name of the book and author??? HELP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 >What are the names of your favorite recipes in his book I can look up? The banana bread! http://geocities.com/sue_in_nj/bestbanabread.htm Mary McDougall once included this one in the monthly newsletter and it's been our family favorite ever since. Even in this summer heat it's worth lighting the oven to make. >Also, what do you make of McDougall's critics saying this sort of diet causes diabetes? I no longer argue with the low-carb pushers, including my doc. I just grit my teeth and wait for them to all go away. They were *almost* gone - even the guy who runs the Livin' the Vida Low Carb web site was told by his publisher that low carb is out and wouldn't publish his cookbook - but now thanks to the Israeli study (the one paid for by Atkins) that the media is saying proves low-carb diets are best, I have a feeling it's all going to come back again. Sue in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 >I wanted to go to the library out here in nashua NH and take out Essys book but I need the name of the book and author??? HELP Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease: The Revolutionary, Scientifically Proven, Nutrition-based Cure Caldwell B. Esselstyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 i loved this book, having bought it on reccomendations from this list. The recipes were great at the end and we've used quite a lot of them so far although I haven't yet got round to the fantastic looking ginger biscuits. We are still using some nuts though, as we don't have heart disease and I like nuts, but my hubby used to cover his bread thickly with olive oil, thinking it was healthy and we have stopped all that now. I'm still adjusting and didn't do too well when eating out last week. There were fat free options, salads etc, but I crumbled a bit and had curry one day and a pasta dish which had olive oil in. it was a holiday week, but I doubt Esselstein would think that an acceptible excuse. Maybe we'll do better next time. At least I picked the rice, not the fries, but that's not really the point, I know. Shell. - " Mark Sutton " <msutton Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:57 PM Esselstyn's diet - correcting a comment > >Esselstyn's diet is design for people with serious heart disease. > > Nope, Esselstyn's diet recommendations are not just for people with heart disease > (although his recommendations about avocados and nuts are). He does use tofu, but in > his book, usually only for desserts. > > His broader diet recommendations reverse and effectively PREVENT heart disease. That's > clear in his book, from his lectures, and from interviews (including the one I did). > He's explained the mechanism of how the plaques form and, more importantly, how to keep > them from forming. Current " modern " science can't do the latter and may not fully > understand the former. > > I don't think it's correct to describe Essy's diet as designed for people with heart > disease. Besides, maybe if they'd know about it beforehand, and followed it, they > wouldn't have the problem in the first place. > > McDougall and Ornish (although he's not necessarily recommending vegan) are fairly close > to Essy. I take issue with Fuhrman on a couple of things in his dietary > recommendations/justifications, and this list isn't the place to voice it all. Also, I > don't begrudge anyone making money off products, but I do like that Esselstyn hasn't got > any more product than a book. Among other things, Ornish has (or had?) his own line of > insipid-tasting frozen foods). And I gotta wonder about anyone spending this much money > to buy a flavored vinegar or " ground nut balls " (especially since they are so easy to > make yourself): > > http://www.drfuhrman.com/shop/foodkitchen.aspx > > .... but, to each their own. > > Personally, I'll use nuts, avocado, and tofu, every so often, just not in excess (and > for me, not every day). I've been following Essy's approach for around 17 months now, > and since he's noted that heart disease reversal happens in about 3 to 4 weeks, I'm > comfortable that all's well. > > Now if diet only worked on the friggin' poison ivy I keep getting..... Best, Mark > -- Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1570 - Release 7/24/2008 6:59 AM -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1892 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Thank you for the info will go to library to get book!--- On Fri, 7/25/08, Erin <truepatriot wrote: Erin <truepatriotRe: Esselstyn's diet - correcting a comment Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 7:16 AM Susanna,Prevent and Reverse Heart Diseaseby Caldwell B. Esselstynhttp://www.vegandon elight.com/ amazon/?item= 1583333002-Erin (also from NH)http://www.zenpawn. com/vegblog- susanna belchFriday, July 25, 2008 6:41 AMRe: Esselstyn's diet - correcting a commentHi! I wanted to go to the library out here in nashua NH and take out Essys book but I need the name of the book and author??? HELP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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