Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Since eating strictly veggie, my interest has included understanding why vegans refrain from "milk, cheese, honey', or byproducts made by animals but not the animals themselves (ie, meat, eggs...). I just did not understand at all at one time. Now, I certainly 'get it' in regard to dairy: the way mass production treats loving creatures. BUT, here I am 'stuck' not getting why eating bee barf is cruel to bees. (Sorry but I really do not get it.) It seems to me, that the bees would be totally eliminated if it weren't for the honey that humans can get from them. After all, who wants to be stung? ok, that said: what about vegans who work and work on recipes to replicate 'meat' tastes? What is that about? I love combination of certain spices, but honestly, I do not like 'meat' anything any longer. UGH! For ex, seitan...yucko. Texture like chicken makes me think chicken and I just do not enjoy the meal. I love my legumes and I love spice/herb combos that lend to certain ethnic foods. Yum! Thanks for the Sage Broth recipe earlier: super yummy! Alen's Grams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Hi Dianne, Check out the following link to find out why vegans don't eat honey. http://people.tribe.net/forest_defender/blog/24b36bbb-d2a2-4885-bd14-56178231929f As far as the meat analogs, there are many vegans who don't eat them - there are many who do. My kids love them but then they have never had meat of any kind and do not relate seitan or anything like that which I make to meat. They have no idea what meat tastes like, the texture or anything about it. All they know is that it comes from animals who have been treated horrendously and then tortured to death and they don't want to be a part of that. They like seitan simply on the merit of it being seitan. Me? If I taste a meat analog that tastes like what I remember meat to taste, or even comes close in taste or texture (which I honestly don't believe any of the seitan or burgers, etc... I make do or else I wouldn't make it), I wouldn't touch it. There is a local Vietnamese restaurant we go to that makes some fantastic vegan food. In fact, we have our monthly vegan meet-ups there because the food is so good. There are several dishes, though that I won't touch because of how close they come to the real thing. My kids, OTOH, since they have nothing to compare it to, eat it and like it. Different perspectives, I guess. God's Peace, Gayle - Dianne Moore Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:22 AM Re:Vegan and 'meat' tastes Since eating strictly veggie, my interest has included understanding why vegans refrain from "milk, cheese, honey', or byproducts made by animals but not the animals themselves (ie, meat, eggs...). I just did not understand at all at one time. Now, I certainly 'get it' in regard to dairy: the way mass production treats loving creatures. BUT, here I am 'stuck' not getting why eating bee barf is cruel to bees. (Sorry but I really do not get it.) It seems to me, that the bees would be totally eliminated if it weren't for the honey that humans can get from them. After all, who wants to be stung? ok, that said: what about vegans who work and work on recipes to replicate 'meat' tastes? What is that about? I love combination of certain spices, but honestly, I do not like 'meat' anything any longer. UGH! For ex, seitan...yucko. Texture like chicken makes me think chicken and I just do not enjoy the meal. I love my legumes and I love spice/herb combos that lend to certain ethnic foods. Yum! Thanks for the Sage Broth recipe earlier: super yummy! Alen's Grams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Most poeple that are vegetarian have not always been. Alot of people say they could never be vegetarian because they could never give up meat. The meat replacements are for those who still have the taste for meat but do not want to harm animals. Some of them are quite good actually. It's about changing your diet without having to give up so many of the foods you were raised on. Smart Bacon is delicious for anyone craving a BLT. Morningstar Farms BBQ Riblets are yummy with some mashed potatoes and a veggie. I think maet replacements are a good thing but I certainly understand why some would not eat them. Nikita --- Dianne Moore <alengrams wrote: > ok, that said: what about vegans who work and work on recipes to replicate 'meat' tastes? What is that about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Dianne Moore wrote: > > Since eating strictly veggie, my interest has included understanding > why vegans refrain from " milk, cheese, honey', or byproducts made by > animals but not the animals themselves (ie, meat, eggs...). Huh? You've met people who call themselves vegans and eat MEAT? >I just > did not understand at all at one time. Now, I certainly 'get it' in > regard to dairy: the way mass production treats loving creatures. > BUT, here I am 'stuck' not getting why eating bee barf is cruel to > bees. (Sorry but I really do not get it.) It seems to me, that the > bees would be totally eliminated if it weren't for the honey that > humans can get from them. After all, who wants to be stung? Bees are often boiled alive to get all the honey. And no, bees don't exist to provide honey to humans. Their honey is used for their own purposes, and they do lots of useful things in the biosphere, chiefly pollinate flowers and food plants. > ok, that said: what about vegans who work and work on recipes to > replicate 'meat' tastes? What is that about? I love combination of > certain spices, but honestly, I do not like 'meat' anything any > longer. UGH! For ex, seitan...yucko. Texture like chicken makes me > think chicken and I just do not enjoy the meal. Some people do like it. Some people are not grossed out by meat - - they just don't want anything to die for them to satisfy the taste for it. Serene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 I've been thinking about "meat taste". I can't get beyond what I've always seen about that. I don't know of anyone that eats meat without disguising the taste: either with salt, sugar, pepper, barbecue and other sauces, smoke, or pickling with spices, and cooking. It seems that for meat to be palatable to people, its taste has to be masked with vegetables of some sort. I guess raw oysters might be an exception. But, from what I've observed....raw oyster eaters seem to swallow them whole as fast as they can. Is it just a game with them? On the other hand fruit....vegetables don't need to be disguised. They taste (and look) delicious right from the garden. Norm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 I definitely haven't been a vegan for most of my life. I just totally took meat out of my life back in mid-April. It is STILL hard for me to deal with this because I still have the craving, and the desire of the taste. CeCe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 On 7/27/08, Norman Sussman <norm wrote: > > I don't know of anyone that eats meat without disguising the taste: > either with salt, sugar, pepper, barbecue and other sauces, smoke, > or pickling with spices, and cooking. It seems that for meat to be > palatable to people, its taste has to be masked with vegetables of some sort. [...] > On the other hand fruit....vegetables don't need to be disguised. > They taste (and look) delicious right from the garden. However I've met few people who prefer beans plain, without any spices or sauces on them. Everything you've said about meats can be applied equally to beans. Imagine throwing a dinner party and serving guests a plate of plain black beans or pinto beans with nothing on them at all. It would probably go over about as well as serving hamburgers with no condiments. So I don't know that the seasoning of meat is, by itself, an argument against meat for if it is, it's an argument against beans as well and I'll give up my beans when they pry them out of my cold, dead hands. LOL Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 > On the other hand fruit....vegetables don't need to be disguised. They > taste (and look) delicious right from the garden. Personal preferences. I used to eat plain chicken, either baked, broiled or even poached, back in my low-cal diet days. My son, and sometimes my husband, won't eat any vegetable unless it's covered in some kind of sauce or has so much salt on it it resembles a snowfall. Sue in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 HA! Iam in a weight rut I do the Weight Watchers Flex plan and eat 30-points due to still breastfeeding my 2yr old son. And I cant seem to lose any more weight??? Any other members that do the same??? HELP!!!--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Sue in NJ <sue_in_nj wrote: Sue in NJ <sue_in_njRe: Re:Vegan and 'meat' tastes Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 6:34 AM > On the other hand fruit....vegetables don't need to be disguised.They> taste (and look) delicious right from the garden.Personal preferences. I used to eat plain chicken, either baked, broiledor even poached, back in my low-cal diet days. My son, and sometimes myhusband, won't eat any vegetable unless it's covered in some kind ofsauce or has so much salt on it it resembles a snowfall.Sue in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Flex plan is awful for learning what to eat. The problem isn't how much but WHAT you are eating. I recommend the core. And yes you can still do it as a vegan. On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 6:52 AM, susanna belch <susannabelchwrote: > HA! Iam in a weight rut I do the Weight Watchers Flex plan and eat > 30-points due to still breastfeeding my 2yr old son. And I cant seem to > lose any more weight??? Any other members that do the same??? HELP!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Norman Sussman wrote: > I've been thinking about " meat taste " . I can't get beyond what I've > always seen about that. I don't know of anyone that eats meat > without disguising the taste: either with salt, sugar, pepper, > barbecue and other sauces, smoke, or pickling with spices, and > cooking. It seems that for meat to be palatable to people, its taste > has to be masked with vegetables of some sort. I guess raw oysters > might be an exception. But, from what I've observed....raw oyster > eaters seem to swallow them whole as fast as they can. Is it just a > game with them? On the other hand fruit....vegetables don't need to > be disguised. They taste (and look) delicious right from the garden. I know plenty of people who eat meat fairly unadorned and can't stand veggies unless they're drenched with salad dressing or butter. People are just different. ObFatfreeVegan: My teenager loves to sit down and eat a whole bowl of pickled beets with me. I love having someone in the house with tastes as unusual as mine. Serene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 I agree with Nikita. I did not even become vegetarian until I was in my 50’s. I ate meat most of my life. Having meat and fish analogues helps me stay vegan. I don’t eat them all the time and I know they are not the healthiest choices. ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~ (my signature) from Maida Please sign the petition to allow pets, link in upper left at www.petsincondos.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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