Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 At 20:37 +0000 08/09/02, wrote: >I was reading the recipes the chef recommended and made for Oprah during her >21 day challenge and they are so high in fat it was awful! I am so >disappointed that while Oprah was supposedly getting " enlightened " she was >not being show a healthy vegan lifestyle. Sad eh? Totally... I've noticed that a LOT of raw food recipes, too, have significant amount of oil in them. Somewhat depressing. Someone recommended Vegan Lunch Box. I used to love that blog, but then she started doing things like using a lot of oil, praising " Pringles, " and putting " Oreos " into her kid's lunch box. I don't have a Blogger account and she has restricted comments to those that do. Wanted to tell her you can be a healthy vegan or an unhealthy one. The fat and sodium content of her recent " vegan lunch boxes " for Schmoo has gone way up in the past several weeks and that's not a good idea. I've a similar problem with " urban vegan " that I blogged about. Great writer, nice attitude, interesting and diverse, but man, does she pack that oil in those recipes. I really hate being such a spoiler at times, but I decided midway through my current 19 months on Essy's diet recommendations that it has to be done. We have to be as attentive and informative on the issue of no added fat as we may have been at another time regarding meat, dairy, and eggs. It's a dirty job... but someone has to... I usually get accused of being " unmutual " and that " fat is good for you " and " we'll have to agree to disagree. " But, I remember 27+ years ago being told by my father I'd DIE going vegetarian (later vegan). With two colds in two decades, it's nice to see the populace catching on. I still laugh at how I got kicked off the vegetarian recipe list a few years ago for suggesting that a recipe with 10 eggs, 1 cup of milk, and gawd knows how much cheese and butter, wasn't a good idea. Oh well... " Pringles " isn't food, and neither are Oreos. T. Colin Campbell uses the phrase " fractionated food " to describe such products (including TVP, I'd imagine). The recommended goal is to use them sparingly, not just because they are usually higher in sodium, fat, and unpronounceable ingredients, but, imho, nutrition is lost. We don't know it all (hey, who heard of an antioxidant 10 years ago? A " phytochemical? " ). I think the biggest challenge for " no-added-fatters " will be baking... how many recipes do I see that call for " first, 1/2 to 3/4 cups of Earth Balance. " Pure fat. Whatever.... FYI, Mark http://www.soulveggie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 AMEN!! LOL I am right there with you. Well life is interesting and it is a good thing, otherwise we would be bored! LOL Keep on keeping!ShaylaOn Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Mark Sutton <msutton wrote: At 20:37 +0000 08/09/02, wrote: >I was reading the recipes the chef recommended and made for Oprah during her >21 day challenge and they are so high in fat it was awful! I am so >disappointed that while Oprah was supposedly getting " enlightened " she was >not being show a healthy vegan lifestyle. Sad eh? Totally... I've noticed that a LOT of raw food recipes, too, have significant amount of oil in them. Somewhat depressing. Someone recommended Vegan Lunch Box. I used to love that blog, but then she started doing things like using a lot of oil, praising " Pringles, " and putting " Oreos " into her kid's lunch box. I don't have a Blogger account and she has restricted comments to those that do. Wanted to tell her you can be a healthy vegan or an unhealthy one. The fat and sodium content of her recent " vegan lunch boxes " for Schmoo has gone way up in the past several weeks and that's not a good idea. I've a similar problem with " urban vegan " that I blogged about. Great writer, nice attitude, interesting and diverse, but man, does she pack that oil in those recipes. I really hate being such a spoiler at times, but I decided midway through my current 19 months on Essy's diet recommendations that it has to be done. We have to be as attentive and informative on the issue of no added fat as we may have been at another time regarding meat, dairy, and eggs. It's a dirty job... but someone has to... I usually get accused of being " unmutual " and that " fat is good for you " and " we'll have to agree to disagree. " But, I remember 27+ years ago being told by my father I'd DIE going vegetarian (later vegan). With two colds in two decades, it's nice to see the populace catching on. I still laugh at how I got kicked off the vegetarian recipe list a few years ago for suggesting that a recipe with 10 eggs, 1 cup of milk, and gawd knows how much cheese and butter, wasn't a good idea. Oh well... " Pringles " isn't food, and neither are Oreos. T. Colin Campbell uses the phrase " fractionated food " to describe such products (including TVP, I'd imagine). The recommended goal is to use them sparingly, not just because they are usually higher in sodium, fat, and unpronounceable ingredients, but, imho, nutrition is lost. We don't know it all (hey, who heard of an antioxidant 10 years ago? A " phytochemical? " ). I think the biggest challenge for " no-added-fatters " will be baking... how many recipes do I see that call for " first, 1/2 to 3/4 cups of Earth Balance. " Pure fat. Whatever.... FYI, Mark http://www.soulveggie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Mark, I remember that! I got in trouble for sticking up for you, and wasn't far behind in being booted, essentially for having a link on my blog to both your blog and the book No More Bull: http://www.zenpawn.com/amazon/?item=0743286987 It really saddened me, because I like everyone there and was truly interested in their health. -Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog - Mark Sutton Tuesday, September 02, 2008 5:30 PM re: Essy, Lunch Box, quasi-rant [...] I still laugh at how I got kicked off the vegetarian recipe list a few years ago for suggesting that a recipe with 10 eggs, 1 cup of milk, and gawd knows how much cheese and butter, wasn't a good idea. [...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 I totally agree Mark... vegan is only half way there... 'no added fat vegan' is there...and it shouldn't be that hard to point out to people...for example... just because sugar is vegan doesn't mean you add sugar to every dish... same with oil. It makes perfect sense if one will just stop and think about it... in fact to take it one step further... I think people are waiting for someone to " tell " them what to eat... when, really, just thinking about it logically is sufficient..anyhoo...those are my thoughts...and I don't mean to imply that just thinking about it, you would come up with 'no added fat vegan' as a solution... but once you've heard, it shouldn't require a thousand retellings and clarifications... pretty simple really... , Mark Sutton <msutton wrote: > > At 20:37 +0000 08/09/02, wrote: > >I was reading the recipes the chef recommended and made for Oprah during her > >21 day challenge and they are so high in fat it was awful! I am so > >disappointed that while Oprah was supposedly getting " enlightened " she was > >not being show a healthy vegan lifestyle. Sad eh? > > Totally... I've noticed that a LOT of raw food recipes, too, have significant amount of oil in them. Somewhat depressing. > > Someone recommended Vegan Lunch Box. I used to love that blog, but then she started doing things like using a lot of oil, praising " Pringles, " and putting " Oreos " into her kid's lunch box. I don't have a Blogger account and she has restricted comments to those that do. Wanted to tell her you can be a healthy vegan or an unhealthy one. The fat and sodium content of her recent " vegan lunch boxes " for Schmoo has gone way up in the past several weeks and that's not a good idea. > > I've a similar problem with " urban vegan " that I blogged about. Great writer, nice attitude, interesting and diverse, but man, does she pack that oil in those recipes. > > I really hate being such a spoiler at times, but I decided midway through my current 19 months on Essy's diet recommendations that it has to be done. We have to be as attentive and informative on the issue of no added fat as we may have been at another time regarding meat, dairy, and eggs. > > It's a dirty job... but someone has to... I usually get accused of being " unmutual " and that " fat is good for you " and " we'll have to agree to disagree. " But, I remember 27+ years ago being told by my father I'd DIE going vegetarian (later vegan). With two colds in two decades, it's nice to see the populace catching on. > > I still laugh at how I got kicked off the vegetarian recipe group list a few years ago for suggesting that a recipe with 10 eggs, 1 cup of milk, and gawd knows how much cheese and butter, wasn't a good idea. > > Oh well... " Pringles " isn't food, and neither are Oreos. > > T. Colin Campbell uses the phrase " fractionated food " to describe such products (including TVP, I'd imagine). The recommended goal is to use them sparingly, not just because they are usually higher in sodium, fat, and unpronounceable ingredients, but, imho, nutrition is lost. We don't know it all (hey, who heard of an antioxidant 10 years ago? A " phytochemical? " ). > > I think the biggest challenge for " no-added-fatters " will be baking... how many recipes do I see that call for " first, 1/2 to 3/4 cups of Earth Balance. " Pure fat. > > Whatever.... FYI, Mark > http://www.soulveggie.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Hello, I am coming into this dialogue late; however, the push back from family, friends and well meaning folks regarding my participation in this diet (Esselstyn) is amazing! I was not aware of how political the whole topic of vegan is to many. I have chosen this diet to save my life, not to make a political statement. I am reading Essy's book again (the 4th time) for support. I will be reviewing the cookbooks suggested in Essy's book. Thanks for the dialogue--which is great support for me. Lucy Russell <russp85 Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 8:36:58 PM Re: Essy, Lunch Box, quasi-rant I totally agree Mark... vegan is only half way there... 'no added fat vegan' is there...and it shouldn't be that hard to point out to people...for example... just because sugar is vegan doesn't mean you add sugar to every dish... same with oil. It makes perfect sense if one will just stop and think about it... in fact to take it one step further... I think people are waiting for someone to "tell" them what to eat... when, really, just thinking about it logically is sufficient.. anyhoo... those are my thoughts...and I don't mean to imply that just thinking about it, you would come up with 'no added fat vegan' as a solution... but once you've heard, it shouldn't require a thousand retellings and clarifications. .. pretty simple really..., Mark Sutton <msutton > wrote:>> At 20:37 +0000 08/09/02, wrote:> >I was reading the recipes the chef recommended and made for Oprah during her> >21 day challenge and they are so high in fat it was awful! I am so> >disappointed that while Oprah was supposedly getting "enlightened" she was> >not being show a healthy vegan lifestyle. Sad eh?> > Totally... I've noticed that a LOT of raw food recipes, too, have significant amount of oil in them. Somewhat depressing.> > Someone recommended Vegan Lunch Box. I used to love that blog, but then she started doing things like using a lot of oil, praising "Pringles," and putting "Oreos" into her kid's lunch box. I don't have a Blogger account and she has restricted comments to those that do. Wanted to tell her you can be a healthy vegan or an unhealthy one. The fat and sodium content of her recent "vegan lunch boxes" for Schmoo has gone way up in the past several weeks and that's not a good idea.> > I've a similar problem with "urban vegan" that I blogged about. Great writer, nice attitude, interesting and diverse, but man, does she pack that oil in those recipes.> > I really hate being such a spoiler at times, but I decided midway through my current 19 months on Essy's diet recommendations that it has to be done. We have to be as attentive and informative on the issue of no added fat as we may have been at another time regarding meat, dairy, and eggs.> > It's a dirty job... but someone has to... I usually get accused of being "unmutual" and that "fat is good for you" and "we'll have to agree to disagree." But, I remember 27+ years ago being told by my father I'd DIE going vegetarian (later vegan). With two colds in two decades, it's nice to see the populace catching on.> > I still laugh at how I got kicked off the vegetarian recipe list a few years ago for suggesting that a recipe with 10 eggs, 1 cup of milk, and gawd knows how much cheese and butter, wasn't a good idea.> > Oh well... "Pringles" isn't food, and neither are Oreos.> > T. Colin Campbell uses the phrase "fractionated food" to describe such products (including TVP, I'd imagine). The recommended goal is to use them sparingly, not just because they are usually higher in sodium, fat, and unpronounceable ingredients, but, imho, nutrition is lost. We don't know it all (hey, who heard of an antioxidant 10 years ago? A "phytochemical? ").> > I think the biggest challenge for "no-added-fatters" will be baking... how many recipes do I see that call for "first, 1/2 to 3/4 cups of Earth Balance." Pure fat.> > Whatever.... FYI, Mark > http://www.soulvegg ie.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 <<It's a dirty job... but someone has to... I usually get accused of being "unmutual" and that "fat is good for you" and "we'll have to agree to disagree." >> My standard response to the but-we-need-some-fat-in- our-diet argument is yes, we do, and we get it, in our food, the way Nature intended that we get it. Then I continue, and the reason I know that that's the case is because freestanding fats don't exist in nature. We created them, and Nature/God/the Universe would not have have given us a requirement that she/He/it didn't provide for... - DJ-----------------------Always remember: Today's mighty oak is simplyyesterday's nut that held its ground . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 Or as I heard the standup comic put it back in the early 80's..."Hey, doctors have discovered what makes people fat....it's FAT" , "Dena Jo" <DenaJo2 wrote:>> <<It's a dirty job... but someone has to... I usually get > accused of being "unmutual" and that "fat is good for > you" and "we'll have to agree to disagree." >>> > My standard response to the but-we-need-some-fat-in-> our-diet argument is yes, we do, and we get it, in our food, > the way Nature intended that we get it. Then I continue,> and the reason I know that that's the case is because > freestanding fats don't exist in nature. We created> them, and Nature/God/the Universe would not have> have given us a requirement that she/He/it didn't> provide for...> > > - DJ> > -----------------------> Always remember: Today's mighty oak is simply> yesterday's nut that held its ground . . .> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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