Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 As I wrote this post, I decided to ask more than just the one question. QUESTION ONE: I'm not challening this list, I just honestly want to know what the reasons are for the fat free? Other than the ramifications of gaining weight, are there other biochemical/metabolic/health dangers? QUESTION TWO: Are we speaking of, say, adding oil to a salad as a no-no, or are we speaking of cooking/heating oil - or both as no-no's? (Right now, I'm roasting four ears of corn for a wonderful vegan corn chowder recipe. It's making the kitchen smell fantastic! The recipe calls for only 1 TB of oil for sauteeing). QUESTION THREE: Oh, yeah, speaking of sauteeing, how does one substitute in recipes calling for sauteing? Technically, frying would be completely out of the question, and there wouldn't be a substitute for it, I would imagine. So, when sauteing is called for, do you blanch in broth or tamari, say, and go from there? Or do you simply eliminate certain types of cooking altogether? QUESTION FOUR: Plastic vs. Leather. Not that I'm running out to buy leather shoes, as I live in sneakers and sweats in the cold part of the year anyway, but how do I make sense of choosing between plastic and its polluting technology and using hides of animals? It seems it's a no-win situation. What else is out there? Oh, by the way, I live in upstate New York, so it's pretty cold in the winter. Just in case you needed to know that...which leads me to... QUESTION FIVE: How can I add more raw/live foods to my menu? I would imagine it would be very unsatisfying in harsh winter areas where hot food seems "right." Can you do raw/live food successfully in a cold environment? It seems counter-intuitive? OK, I'll stop now. Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 ONE: http://www.fatfreevegan.com/faqs.shtml TWO & THREE: http://www.fatfreevegan.com/condiments/substitutes.shtml FOUR: Off topic. Go find another discussion board. (Besides, vegans are hardly going to wear leather.) FIVE: Off topic. Go find a 'Raw-foodism' blog. (http://www.living-foods.com/faq.html) , " Rose Lieberman " <lapis wrote: > > As I wrote this post, I decided to ask more than just the one question. > > QUESTION ONE: I'm not challening this list, I just honestly want to know what the reasons are for the fat free? Other than the ramifications of gaining weight, are there other biochemical/metabolic/health dangers? > > QUESTION TWO: Are we speaking of, say, adding oil to a salad as a no-no, or are we speaking of cooking/heating oil - or both as no-no's? > > (Right now, I'm roasting four ears of corn for a wonderful vegan corn chowder recipe. It's making the kitchen smell fantastic! The recipe calls for only 1 TB of oil for sauteeing). > > QUESTION THREE: Oh, yeah, speaking of sauteeing, how does one substitute in recipes calling for sauteing? Technically, frying would be completely out of the question, and there wouldn't be a substitute for it, I would imagine. So, when sauteing is called for, do you blanch in broth or tamari, say, and go from there? Or do you simply eliminate certain types of cooking altogether? > > QUESTION FOUR: Plastic vs. Leather. Not that I'm running out to buy leather shoes, as I live in sneakers and sweats in the cold part of the year anyway, but how do I make sense of choosing between plastic and its polluting technology and using hides of animals? It seems it's a no-win situation. What else is out there? Oh, by the way, I live in upstate New York, so it's pretty cold in the winter. Just in case you needed to know that...which leads me to... > > QUESTION FIVE: How can I add more raw/live foods to my menu? I would imagine it would be very unsatisfying in harsh winter areas where hot food seems " right. " Can you do raw/live food successfully in a cold environment? It seems counter-intuitive? > > OK, I'll stop now. > > Rose > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 As to oil...none, zip, zero, nil, nada, it is bad for you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Russell, thanks for the input, but you didn't answer my question. WHY is it bad for me? Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Thanks for the links, Hinton. However... I'm not looking to start an animal rights argument. I'm asking about ALTERNATIVES to leather. What's out there BESIDES plastic? And I beg to differ - this is ON TOPIC! Actually, I'll leave the group and buy a book. I really don't need the militaristic attitude and the offensive way I am being dismissed. Thanks anyway. Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Rose, these were great questions. I'm just in the early stages myself. Have just finished reading "Eat to Live". Dr. Fuhrman's approach basically fits with this list, except he does allow for options after the first six weeks, such as fish, that don't. A very small amount of oil is allowed, but he also leans toward the no-added-fat approach this list supports. Hinton's response provided good links; it may have seemed a little harsly stated, but don't let that put you off. First, may not at all have had any intention of doing so. Written notes can have that effect. Keep asking questions! I felt your fifth question could certainly be considered on topic. Vegans do eat raw, just not the primary focus. The link was valuable in that it did point to a raw foodist site. How to add raw/live foods in colder climates? I don't have many answers, but sprouting jars come to mind. Do you have some south-facing windows where you can grow plants? If so, how about trying some lettuces? + John Rose wrote: As I wrote this post, I decided to ask more than just the one question. QUESTION ONE: ... .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Hi Rose These articles should help, to start, but there are many more. just Google Orish, McDougal, Esselstyn, Neal Barnard, the China Study Also look at SoulVeggie's (Russell's) blog, he's got a little of everything. hope that helps lc carol http://www.heartattackproof.com/articles.htm http://www.cancerproject.org/diet_cancer/diet/low_fat.php http://www.cancerproject.org/diet_cancer/diet/low_fat.php Rose Lieberman wrote: Russell, thanks for the i nput, but you didn't answer my question. WHY is it bad for me? Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 , " Rose Lieberman " <lapis wrote: > > Russell, thanks for the input, but you didn't answer my question. > > WHY is it bad for me? > > Rose > I don't know Rose I'm neither a doctor or a chemist but imagine holding a can of WD40 in your mouth and pulling the trigger a few times each day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 , " Rose Lieberman " <lapis wrote: > > Thanks for the links, Hinton. However... > > I'm not looking to start an animal rights argument. I'm asking about ALTERNATIVES to leather. What's out there BESIDES plastic? And I beg to differ - this is ON TOPIC! > > Actually, I'll leave the group and buy a book. I really don't need the militaristic attitude and the offensive way I am being dismissed. > > Thanks anyway. > > Rose > Bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 It is posts like these that put people off. Aren't we here to help each other? - " Russell " <russp85 Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:24 PM Re: Why fat free? > , " Rose Lieberman " <lapis > wrote: >> >> Thanks for the links, Hinton. However... >> >> I'm not looking to start an animal rights argument. I'm asking about > ALTERNATIVES to leather. What's out there BESIDES plastic? And I beg > to differ - this is ON TOPIC! >> >> Actually, I'll leave the group and buy a book. I really don't need > the militaristic attitude and the offensive way I am being dismissed. >> >> Thanks anyway. >> >> Rose >> > > Bye > > > > --- > > Check out our recipe files at http://www.fatfreevegan.com . > Links > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Russell, sorry for misjudging you. Now that you've explained it all to me, I can understand it so much better. Thanks for taking the time. And because you're so kind, generous and compassionate, I've decided to stay. Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 >I'm not looking to start an animal rights argument. I'm asking about ALTERNATIVES to leather. What's out there BESIDES plastic? And I beg to differ - this is ON TOPIC! Actually, it's not. This is a recipe list, not a vegan ethics one. The first line from the group's description on the home page: " This list is for posting vegan recipes with no added oils (i.e. no olive oil or margarine), and high-fat ingredients such as avocado or nuts should be limited. " You can discuss leather alternatives on the sister list, Planet Eggplant. planet_eggplant/ Sue in NJ one of the moderators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 , "Rose Lieberman" <lapis wrote:>> Russell, sorry for misjudging you. Now that you've explained it all to me, I can understand it so much better.> > Thanks for taking the time. And because you're so kind, generous and compassionate, I've decided to stay.> > Rose> I'll alert the media... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Just a quick correction to Carol's message: SoulVeggie is Mark Sutton, not Russell. -Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog - C. Widger Saturday, September 13, 2008 2:49 PM Re: Re: Why fat free? Hi Rose These articles should help, to start, but there are many more. just Google Orish, McDougal, Esselstyn, Neal Barnard, the China Study Also look at SoulVeggie's (Russell's) blog, he's got a little of everything. hope that helps lc carol http://www.heartattackproof.com/articles.htm http://www.cancerproject.org/diet_cancer/diet/low_fat.php http://www.cancerproject.org/diet_cancer/diet/low_fat.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 Batting 200 this week! LOL Carol Erin wrote: Just a quick correction to Carol's message: SoulVeggie is Mark Sutton, not Russell. -Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog - C. Widger Saturday, September 13, 2008 2:49 PM Re: Re: Why fat free? Hi Rose These articles should help, to start, but there are many more. just Google Orish, McDougal, Esselstyn, Neal Barnard, the China Study Also look at SoulVeggie's (Russell's) blog, he's got a little of everything. hope that helps lc carol http://www.heartattackproof.com/articles.htm http://www.cancerproject.org/diet_cancer/diet/low_fat.php http://www.cancerproject.org/diet_cancer/diet/low_fat.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 Hi Rose For the purposes of this group, discussing alternatives to leather actually is not on topic. Here's the list mom's description of this group: Description This list is for posting vegan recipes with no added oils (i.e. no olive oil or margarine), and high-fat ingredients such as avocado or nuts should be limited. Recipes *must* be vegan (no eggs, dairy products, meat, or animal products of any kind). Discussion of recipes and tips for replacing and cutting out fat are allowed, but discussion is strictly limited to vegan, low-fat cooking. There is a companion group (same list mom) called Planet Eggplant which may be better suited to the discussion you wish to have. I am certain there are other groups which would also address your questions in detail. If you've got cooking-specific questions, bring them on. Mary > I'm not looking to start an animal rights argument. I'm asking about ALTERNATIVES to leather. What's out there BESIDES plastic? And I beg to differ - this is ON TOPIC! > > Actually, I'll leave the group and buy a book. I really don't need the militaristic attitude and the offensive way I am being dismissed. > > Thanks anyway. > > Rose > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 Rose, I am so used to sauteeing in vegetable broth, wine, vinegar, Tamari, juices, combinations of the above, etc., that I rarely even think of oil. Then occasionally put a dash of olive oil over the top before baking for a touch of crisp. Just pretend oil doesn't exist and get creative. My favorite is 100% fat-free vegetable broth. Put veggies in it and cover with Mrs. Dash. Bake. It is soooooooo good. The same with salad dressings. Start with some wine, put a whole fresh lemon (including the pulp) and then start adding seeds and spices, dill seed, sesame seed, italian spices, fresh parsley and cilantro. My dressings are better without oil. Shelley H Shelley H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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