Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Have been following Michael Greger MDs DVDs with latest in clinical nutritional updates http://www.drgreger.org/DVDs/ He recommends additional DHA in the form of Golden Algae and NOT blue green algae based on latest scientific data. However the recommended product O MEGA ZEN by Nu Tru sounds like it has coconut oil in the vegan capsule along with Vitamin E and the DHA Golden Algae. Concern re coconut oil addition to the diet. Sound reasonable? Thanks Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Personally, I would pass on anything containing coconut oil. I use Dr. Fuhrman's DHA Purity, which contains no other oils than algae oil. The recommended dose is only a few drops (.5 ml) so it's easy to take (tastes like lemon) and also easy to get children to take. Dr. Fuhrman claims that other DHA supplements are " shockingly high in rancidity scores, " but I have no way to verify if that is true. Here's the link so you can evaluate it for yourself: https://www.drfuhrman.com/shop/DHA.aspx (I have no affiliation with Dr. Fuhrman nor monitary interest in his products; I pay the same high prices for them anyone else would!) Susan-------------------------Susan VoisinFatFree Vegan Kitchenhttp://blog.fatfreevegan.comhttp://www.facebook.com/FatFreeVegan -------------------------- On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Tom Fronczak, LICSW <TJFronczak wrote: Have been following Michael Greger MDs DVDs with latest in clinical nutritional updates http://www.drgreger.org/DVDs/ He recommends additional DHA in the form of Golden Algae and NOT blue green algae based on latest scientific data. However the recommended product O MEGA ZEN by Nu Tru sounds like it has coconut oil in the vegan capsule along with Vitamin E and the DHA Golden Algae. Concern re coconut oil addition to the diet. Sound reasonable? Thanks Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 My take on DHA:I'm a Vegan because of health concerns but, I have to admit, it's nice to know I'm not furthering the profits of the animal farms that treat/slaughter animals so poorly. And I'm not exposing myself to the antibiotics, hormones and bacteria found in meat.Having said that, I'm not sure that DHA found in plant sources is quite as good as the DHA from fish/fish oil. Here's an excerp from WebMD: If you decide to use a supplement, your best bet is fish oil, which has the omega-3 fatty acids DHA and EPA. Algae oil supplements provide DHA. So far, it's not clear that plant-based omega-3 supplements (which provide ALA) have all of the same benefits. So, even though I'm eating a tablespoonful of ground flax seeds daily, I'm thinking of adding a fish oil capsule a few times a week to get the proven benefits of animal DHA. Here's the whole article, if anyone is interested: http://www.webmd.com/healthy-aging/omega-3-fatty-acids-fact-sheet?page=2 Bob P (RPh) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Thanks Susan.. do you know if the Dr Fuhrman DHA capsule is golden algae or blue green algae.. Clinical study a year or so ago per Dr Gregers dvd indicates toxicity issues with bluegreen algae.. so he clearly recommends golden algae. Thanks PS. Still just love love loving your banana coffee cake and potato soup. Looking forward to more vitamix creations. Maybe a green smoothie thread? My fav green smoothie: 1 cup green grapes 1 orange 1/2 pear 1 banana 1-2 kale leaves 1/2 cup water 1/2 cup ice cups VITAMIX away a daily staple!!! Now I feel I gave back to you!! Thanks for all you do Susan. I truly enjoy your blog. My fav to be honest! Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Plant vs Animal based Omega 3s This topic comes up all the time. Answer will depend on who you are speaking with and the industries that support them. Follow the money, and watch how the advice and ideas can change. Let me refer you to Michael Greger MD's dvd series on clinical nutrition updates. He promotes a plant based diet. He summarizes all the clinical nutrition (research) news each year on a dvd series. Much is written on this topic. Esp in his 2008,2009 dvd set. http://www.drgreger.org/DVDs/ They are well worth the cost of $20 a piece and the money in full goes to the Humane Society of America. PS. The Dr Fuhrman DHA supplement is a golden algae based. Animals get their omega 3s from plant sources!!!!!! Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 I just want to reiterate what Tom says here about the Michael Greger MD dvd series. Recently, you got the series as a gift if you signed up to support the Humane Society with a monthly gift. Not sure that's still going on. What I love about the DVDs is that they are child friendly. For those of you who home school and even those who don't, your children would get a kick out of them. Well worth the money! Mary Tom Fronczak, LICSW <TJFronczak Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:01 am Re: DHA Supplment Plant vs Animal based Omega 3s This topic comes up all the time. Answer will depend on who you are speaking with and the industries that support them. Follow the money, and watch how the advice and ideas can change. Let me refer you to Michael Greger MD's dvd series on clinical nutrition updates. He promotes a plant based diet. He summarizes all the clinical nutrition (research) news each year on a dvd series. Much is written on this topic. Esp in his 2008,2009 dvd set. http://www.drgreger.org/DVDs/ They are well worth the cost of $20 a piece and the money in full goes to the Humane Society of America. PS. The Dr Fuhrman DHA supplement is a golden algae based. Animals get their omega 3s from plant sources!!!!!! Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 ALSO, Fuhrman points out that often fish oil becomes rancid in the capsules. > PS. The Dr Fuhrman DHA supplement is a golden algae based. > > Animals get their omega 3s from plant sources!!!!!! > > Tom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 , " mstrong56 " <mstrong wrote: > > ALSO, Fuhrman points out that often fish oil becomes rancid in the capsules. Don't mean to be argumentative but oils can only become rancid when exposed to air, heat, or light. Since there is no air in the capsules, if you don't leave them outside, in the sun, on a hot day, should be no problem. Bob P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 I hate to point out the obvious but since this is a vegan group and a fish is an animal most of us have an ethical/moral/environmental opposition to the capsules.... rancid or not. bopeltzman <bopeltzman Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:51:35 AM Re: DHA Supplment , "mstrong56" <mstrong > wrote: > > ALSO, Fuhrman points out that often fish oil becomes rancid in the capsules. Don't mean to be argumentative but oils can only become rancid when exposed to air, heat, or light. Since there is no air in the capsules, if you don't leave them outside, in the sun, on a hot day, should be no problem. Bob P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Good point. I guess I'm only 99.9% Vegan. Like I said, I'm in it for my health so I have to look at everything from that point of view. If it's OK, I'll stick around for your great recipies. Bob P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Hey I'm not in charge here... I just like to chime in from time to time Good luck with the pancakes though, I don't have that kind of willpower. I just eat the "bad" ones with added fat. (though I only eat pancakes about twice a year) -Erin bopeltzman <bopeltzman Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:44:54 AM Re: DHA Supplment Good point. I guess I'm only 99.9% Vegan. Like I said, I'm in it for my health so I have to look at everything from that point of view. If it's OK, I'll stick around for your great recipies. Bob P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 I was watching a lecture video by Bill Harris MD on the Vegetarian Society of Hawaii website called " In Search of the Optimal Diet. " He was talking about the DHA issue and mentioned that algal derived DHA often contain hexane which is used for extraction. I heard Greger's advice so was looking for some algae derived DHA. I am still searching for a source that is hexane free. There often is no mention on the label concerning whether or not hexane is present. , " Tom Fronczak, LICSW " <TJFronczak wrote: > > Have been following Michael Greger MDs DVDs with latest in clinical > nutritional updates http://www.drgreger.org/DVDs/ > > He recommends additional DHA in the form of Golden Algae and NOT blue > green algae based on latest scientific data. > However the recommended product O MEGA ZEN by Nu Tru sounds like it > has coconut oil in the vegan capsule along with Vitamin E and the DHA > Golden Algae. > > Concern re coconut oil addition to the diet. Sound reasonable? > > Thanks > Tom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 OK... so I am going to let my "inner idiot" out for a minute...What is hexane? and why shouldn't we consume it? Animal sourced? Toxic? Please fill me in..Thanks!-Erin j570c <j570c Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 7:42:00 AM Re: DHA Supplment I was watching a lecture video by Bill Harris MD on the Vegetarian Society of Hawaii website called "In Search of the Optimal Diet." He was talking about the DHA issue and mentioned that algal derived DHA often contain hexane which is used for extraction. I heard Greger's advice so was looking for some algae derived DHA. I am still searching for a source that is hexane free. There often is no mention on the label concerning whether or not hexane is present. , "Tom Fronczak, LICSW" <TJFronczak@ ...> wrote: > > Have been following Michael Greger MDs DVDs with latest in clinical > nutritional updates http://www.drgreger.org/DVDs/ > > He recommends additional DHA in the form of Golden Algae and NOT blue > green algae based on latest scientific data. > However the recommended product O MEGA ZEN by Nu Tru sounds like it > has coconut oil in the vegan capsule along with Vitamin E and the DHA > Golden Algae. > > Concern re coconut oil addition to the diet. Sound reasonable? > > Thanks > Tom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 n-Hexane is mixed with solvents for a number of uses. Inhaling n-hexane causes nerve damage and paralysis of the arms and legs. Some people abuse products containing n-hexane by inhaling it to get " high. " This substance has been found in at least 60 of the 1,467 National Priorities List sites identified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Erin: You can find further information here... http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts113.pdf Norm , erin riley <rileysoprano wrote: > > OK... so I am going to let my " inner idiot " out for a minute... > > What is hexane? and why shouldn't we consume it? Animal sourced? Toxic? > > Please fill me in.. > > Thanks! > -Erin > ________________________________ > j570c <j570c > > Saturday, September 5, 2009 7:42:00 AM > Re: DHA Supplment > > > I was watching a lecture video by Bill Harris MD on the Vegetarian Society of Hawaii website called " In Search of the Optimal Diet. " He was talking about the DHA issue and mentioned that algal derived DHA often contain hexane which is used for extraction. > I heard Greger's advice so was looking for some algae derived DHA. I am still searching for a source that is hexane free. There often is no mention on the label concerning whether or not hexane is present. > > , " Tom Fronczak, LICSW " <TJFronczak@ ....> wrote: > > > > Have been following Michael Greger MDs DVDs with latest in clinical > > nutritional updates http://www.drgreger.org/DVDs/ > > > > He recommends additional DHA in the form of Golden Algae and NOT blue > > green algae based on latest scientific data. > > However the recommended product O MEGA ZEN by Nu Tru sounds like it > > has coconut oil in the vegan capsule along with Vitamin E and the DHA > > Golden Algae. > > > > Concern re coconut oil addition to the diet. Sound reasonable? > > > > Thanks > > Tom > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Here's a bit more info: Hexane is mostly used as a solvent in the extraction of oils and fats for food purposes. Despite efforts made to find other solvent combinations, hexane is considered best at not changing the original colour of the oil during the process and not extracting bitter substances or other disruptive (e.g. laxative) substances during the process. In addition, it has a narrow distillation interval and is easy to extract. Hexane is also used as a solvent in adhesives for textile and leather and in detergents for certain types of printing works. In addition to fat, rubber, asphalt and resins are dissolved by hexane alone. Pure n-hexane is used, as a solvent, in laboratories and in low-temperature thermometers. http://www.apps.kemi.se/flodessok/floden/kemamne_eng/hexaner_eng.htm , erin riley <rileysoprano wrote: > > OK... so I am going to let my " inner idiot " out for a minute... > > What is hexane? and why shouldn't we consume it? Animal sourced? Toxic? > > Please fill me in.. > > Thanks! > -Erin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Thanks for the info! roysnorm <norm Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2009 9:50:17 AM Re: DHA Supplment n-Hexane is mixed with solvents for a number of uses. Inhaling n-hexane causes nerve damage and paralysis of the arms and legs. Some people abuse products containing n-hexane by inhaling it to get "high." This substance has been found in at least 60 of the 1,467 National Priorities List sites identified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Erin: You can find further information here... http://www.atsdr. cdc.gov/tfacts11 3.pdf Norm , erin riley <rileysoprano@ ...> wrote: > > OK... so I am going to let my "inner idiot" out for a minute... > > What is hexane? and why shouldn't we consume it? Animal sourced? Toxic? > > Please fill me in.. > > Thanks! > -Erin > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > j570c <j570c > > Saturday, September 5, 2009 7:42:00 AM > Re: DHA Supplment > > > I was watching a lecture video by Bill Harris MD on the Vegetarian Society of Hawaii website called "In Search of the Optimal Diet." He was talking about the DHA issue and mentioned that algal derived DHA often contain hexane which is used for extraction. > I heard Greger's advice so was looking for some algae derived DHA. I am still searching for a source that is hexane free. There often is no mention on the label concerning whether or not hexane is present. > > , "Tom Fronczak, LICSW" <TJFronczak@ ...> wrote: > > > > Have been following Michael Greger MDs DVDs with latest in clinical > > nutritional updates http://www.drgreger.org/DVDs/ > > > > He recommends additional DHA in the form of Golden Algae and NOT blue > > green algae based on latest scientific data. > > However the recommended product O MEGA ZEN by Nu Tru sounds like it > > has coconut oil in the vegan capsule along with Vitamin E and the DHA > > Golden Algae. > > > > Concern re coconut oil addition to the diet. Sound reasonable? > > > > Thanks > > Tom > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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