Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Dave Klein had this problem for years and cured himself of it with Natural Hygiene. As I recall, most of his symptoms went away in about two weeks. But it is not enough just to eat anything that’s raw. I would advise you to read all of the articles on his site, ESPECIALLY the testimonials, as well as the many excerpts from his book. Then, if it makes sense to you, order the book and perhaps even consult with him by phone. Dave claims a nearly 100% success rate for his clients within 2 to 8 weeks. I know of no conventional docs who can claim success like that. HYPERLINK " http://www.colitis-crohns.com/ " http://www.colitis-crohns.com Good luck. And I hope you let us know of your progress with this. Mark _____ RawSeattle [RawSeattle ] On Behalf Of connecttoday Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:07 PM RawSeattle [RawSeattle] Need advice I would like to become a raw foodist, however I'm having a difficult time trying to figure out how to start. The problem is: I have a severe case of IBS. I haven't been able to eat anything raw or with a lot of fiber. I have been able to juice lettuce, kale and collard greens. When I have tried doing a juice fast, my colon goes into spasms. What calms it down is white rice. I'm also gulten intorerant. In addition I have a bladder conditions called Interstitial Cystitis. This make it impossible to eat or drink fruit due to the acid in fruit. Has anyone had this problem to overcome? I can eat some avacado as well. What I need is a raw food that has enough soluble fiber to keep my intestines somewhat calm. Do you know if sprouted oats is too rough? Also, is it consider a gluten if it is raw? I live in Snohomish and know no one here that is a raw foodist. Thanks for your thoughts -- Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/654 - Release 1/27/2007 5:02 PM -- Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/654 - Release 1/27/2007 5:02 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Mary, I believe most such symptoms are food/diet related and from the absence of our natural diet. I suspect that enough time on raw foods will see the symptoms subside. The re-introduction of cooked foods may cause a reduction of the symptoms, but what if the body is wanting to produce those symptoms??? In that case, by eating the cooked foods, we are preventing the body from completing what it is attempting to do. The cooked foods could be acting like a medication by suppressing the symptoms. (something to think about!) If I was in that situation, if the symptoms were not severe I would move forward with the raw foods. Otherwise, I would gradually increase the percentage of raw foods. When eating your food, raw or otherwise, consider chewing your food thoroughly. Chewing sufficiently can do much of the digestion prior to the food reaching the stomach and intestines. How are you with " green smoothies " (blended fruits and greens)? Re: lettuce juice, romaine is actually quite nice. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Hello there, You really must get David Klein's book " Self Healing Colitis & Crohn's " Years ago he healed himself and has since then helped thousands of people heal on a fruit based raw vegan diet. He also does private consultations and publishes one of the only raw magazines available called " Living Nutrition " He is a great guy. You can buy his book on amazon or on his website www.livingnutrition.com. I healed from IC and IBS on a fruit based diet. All the best, Audrey www.rawhealing.com --- connecttoday <marypickard wrote: > I would like to become a raw foodist, however I'm > having a difficult > time trying to figure out how to start. The problem > is: I have a > severe case of IBS. I haven't been able to eat > anything raw or with a > lot of fiber. I have been able to juice lettuce, > kale and collard > greens. When I have tried doing a juice fast, my > colon goes into > spasms. What calms it down is white rice. I'm also > gulten intorerant. > In addition I have a bladder conditions called > Interstitial Cystitis. > This make it impossible to eat or drink fruit due to > the acid in fruit. > > Has anyone had this problem to overcome? I can eat > some avacado as > well. What I need is a raw food that has enough > soluble fiber to keep > my intestines somewhat calm. Do you know if > sprouted oats is too > rough? Also, is it consider a gluten if it is raw? > > I live in Snohomish and know no one here that is a > raw foodist. > Thanks for your thoughts > > ______________________________\ ____ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Oh, I didn't see this before I wrote my response! Mark beat me to it. :-) --- mkh <hovila wrote: > Dave Klein had this problem for years and cured > himself of it with Natural > Hygiene. As I recall, most of his symptoms went > away in about two weeks. > But it is not enough just to eat anything that’s > raw. I would advise you to > read all of the articles on his site, ESPECIALLY the > testimonials, as well > as the many excerpts from his book. Then, if it > makes sense to you, order > the book and perhaps even consult with him by phone. > Dave claims a nearly > 100% success rate for his clients within 2 to 8 > weeks. I know of no > conventional docs who can claim success like that. > HYPERLINK > " http://www.colitis-crohns.com/ " http://www.colitis-crohns.com > > > > Good luck. And I hope you let us know of your > progress with this. > > > > Mark > > _____ > > RawSeattle > [RawSeattle ] On > Behalf Of connecttoday > Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:07 PM > RawSeattle > [RawSeattle] Need advice > > > > I would like to become a raw foodist, however I'm > having a difficult > time trying to figure out how to start. The problem > is: I have a > severe case of IBS. I haven't been able to eat > anything raw or with a > lot of fiber. I have been able to juice lettuce, > kale and collard > greens. When I have tried doing a juice fast, my > colon goes into > spasms. What calms it down is white rice. I'm also > gulten intorerant. > In addition I have a bladder conditions called > Interstitial Cystitis. > This make it impossible to eat or drink fruit due to > the acid in fruit. > > Has anyone had this problem to overcome? I can eat > some avacado as > well. What I need is a raw food that has enough > soluble fiber to keep > my intestines somewhat calm. Do you know if sprouted > oats is too > rough? Also, is it consider a gluten if it is raw? > > I live in Snohomish and know no one here that is a > raw foodist. > Thanks for your thoughts > > > -- > > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/654 - > Release 1/27/2007 > 5:02 PM > > > > -- > > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/654 - > Release 1/27/2007 > 5:02 PM > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Visit the Seattle Raw Foods Community: > http://rawseattle.org > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Hi Audrey, Thanks, however I already tried David Klien's program, and consulted with him. However, I can't tolerate fruit, so I was unable to stay on it more than a day. My intestines just bubbled with the fruit, and my bladder burned from the acids, (even banana). This has been my dilemma. I started the green leaf juices about 3 months ago, and just try adding different greens one at a time. I've noticed my most improvement since starting this. I drink this 3 x per day. I am soaking some sesame seeds for milk and soaking raw oats to see how they go in the morning. Mary RawSeattle , Audrey Walker <prettifemme88 wrote: > > Hello there, > > You really must get David Klein's book " Self Healing > Colitis & Crohn's " Years ago he healed himself and has > since then helped thousands of people heal on a fruit > based raw vegan diet. He also does private > consultations and publishes one of the only raw > magazines available called " Living Nutrition " He is a > great guy. You can buy his book on amazon or on his > website www.livingnutrition.com. > > I healed from IC and IBS on a fruit based diet. > > All the best, > > Audrey > www.rawhealing.com > > > > > --- connecttoday <marypickard wrote: > > > I would like to become a raw foodist, however I'm > > having a difficult > > time trying to figure out how to start. The problem > > is: I have a > > severe case of IBS. I haven't been able to eat > > anything raw or with a > > lot of fiber. I have been able to juice lettuce, > > kale and collard > > greens. When I have tried doing a juice fast, my > > colon goes into > > spasms. What calms it down is white rice. I'm also > > gulten intorerant. > > In addition I have a bladder conditions called > > Interstitial Cystitis. > > This make it impossible to eat or drink fruit due to > > the acid in fruit. > > > > Has anyone had this problem to overcome? I can eat > > some avacado as > > well. What I need is a raw food that has enough > > soluble fiber to keep > > my intestines somewhat calm. Do you know if > > sprouted oats is too > > rough? Also, is it consider a gluten if it is raw? > > > > I live in Snohomish and know no one here that is a > > raw foodist. > > Thanks for your thoughts > > > > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. > Ask your question on www.Answers. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 If you would like to consult with me about this via telephone you can call me at 425-333-6860. I can tell you some things that have made a difference for me. Catherine - connecttoday RawSeattle Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:07 PM [RawSeattle] Need advice I would like to become a raw foodist, however I'm having a difficult time trying to figure out how to start. The problem is: I have a severe case of IBS. I haven't been able to eat anything raw or with a lot of fiber. I have been able to juice lettuce, kale and collard greens. When I have tried doing a juice fast, my colon goes into spasms. What calms it down is white rice. I'm also gulten intorerant. In addition I have a bladder conditions called Interstitial Cystitis. This make it impossible to eat or drink fruit due to the acid in fruit. Has anyone had this problem to overcome? I can eat some avacado as well. What I need is a raw food that has enough soluble fiber to keep my intestines somewhat calm. Do you know if sprouted oats is too rough? Also, is it consider a gluten if it is raw? I live in Snohomish and know no one here that is a raw foodist. Thanks for your thoughts Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/654 - Release 1/27/2007 5:02 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 A fast might be in order (though I’m not recommending that you do it unsupervised). That would give your intestines a chance to rest and heal. When some healing has taken place maybe you could work your way back to fruit eating by blending bananas or other fruits with water, starting with mostly water and then gradually decreasing the amount of water. Mark _____ RawSeattle [RawSeattle ] On Behalf Of connecttoday Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:45 PM RawSeattle [RawSeattle] Re: Need advice Hi Audrey, Thanks, however I already tried David Klien's program, and consulted with him. However, I can't tolerate fruit, so I was unable to stay on it more than a day. My intestines just bubbled with the fruit, and my bladder burned from the acids, (even banana). This has been my dilemma. I started the green leaf juices about 3 months ago, and just try adding different greens one at a time. I've noticed my most improvement since starting this. I drink this 3 x per day. I am soaking some sesame seeds for milk and soaking raw oats to see how they go in the morning. Mary HYPERLINK " RawSeattle%40 " RawSeattle, Audrey Walker <prettifemme88@-...> wrote: > > Hello there, > > You really must get David Klein's book " Self Healing > Colitis & Crohn's " Years ago he healed himself and has > since then helped thousands of people heal on a fruit > based raw vegan diet. He also does private > consultations and publishes one of the only raw > magazines available called " Living Nutrition " He is a > great guy. You can buy his book on amazon or on his > website www.livingnutrition-.com. > > I healed from IC and IBS on a fruit based diet. > > All the best, > > Audrey > www.rawhealing.-com -- Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/654 - Release 1/27/2007 5:02 PM -- Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/654 - Release 1/27/2007 5:02 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Hi Mary, I came into this program almost three years ago because I had IBS. This is what I did. I read Dr. Norman Walker's books and started with lots of vegetable juices. That included carrot, beet, celery, cucumber, and various combinations of them. I started eating fruit smoothies for breakfast, drinking juice a couple of times a day, and salad with a cooked meal most evenings. It took about 6 month's or more before I started having regular bowl movements that didn't look like IBS movements. It took time, but I felt much better within a week or so after juicing. I didn't concider myself healed until almost a year later when I went 100% raw 28 days out of 30, to be quite honest. I tried several of the popular cleanses that are out there but now realize that the best is plain water fast, which I do once a week now. I've never read the books that were suggested to you, but I know that following the Natural Hygeine program works really well. I never got into making too many raw recipes, however I do make a few at times. I still eat smoothies, but usually it's salads, either fruit or lettuce. I've recently cut back on my nut intake to see what will happen. I rarely make vegetable juice anymore. I think what I did was right for me at the time. I'm really grateful for finding NH because I'm completely healed from IBS. I wish you well. I know how awful IBS is and wouldn't wish it on anyone. Please feel free to email me if you would like to discuss this more. Mona ______________________________\ ____ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396546091 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Hi Mary, I agree with Mark. If food makes you ill and your body is capable of digesting so few foods, there seems no clearer indication that what it really needs is rest from food. The reason why Dave Klein's program works so fast and so well for most people is because the gastrointestinal tract actually recovers quite quickly when the proper conditions are provided. For most people, this just means removing the offending foods from the diet but when the digestive tract is really damaged (inflamed, ulcerated, etc.), it may require absolute physiological rest before it can begin to function even close to normally. There are two places that I highly recommend for extended supervised fasts, one is Tanglewood Wellness Center in Panama and the other is the ROYL Institute in Texas. If an extended fast is out of the realm of possibility for you, you might just try doing without food as much as possible, perhaps one or two days a week, just to give your system a break. Also, you may have taken too drastic an approach last time if you tried eating all raw all at once. If/when you try again, you might want to keep some of the cooked foods you've gravitated to and carefully add the raw foods that bother you least, centering as much of your diet as possible around our natural foods (fruit, tender greens and to a much lesser extent, nuts & seeds) and trying to continually increase the percentage. Periodically, you can go back and try foods you weren't able to eat before to see if you can tolerate them. If you're starting to see some progress from drinking juices, this is probably because you're drinking them instead of eating the foods that were exacerbating the damage to your colon. In other words, you've removed the cause of the problem. This is the essence of why people get well when they go raw. Many times people think the foods or juices are healing them, but this isn't the case. The body does the healing. Now that you've started noticing improvements, don't be afraid to go back and try fruits again (one at a time, noting which ones work and which ones you should continue to avoid). Greens are great and juicing is a fine tool for transition, but they don't provide the energy (sugar) that the human body needs to function, so at some point it will be necessary for you to eat fruit if long-term optimal health is what you're seeking. I wish you the speediest recovery possible. Warm regards, Nora www.RawSchool.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Mary, I had also thought of suggesting you consider extended water fasting and I would go to Tanglewood for a supervised water fast, however I would want to have been on more raw foods prior to a fast. The raw foods would charge my body prior to the fast. I believe Loren Lockman (he runs Tanglewood) requires a full week on raw fruits prior to fasting with him. Having said that, I believe that fasting can cure most (if not all) ills. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Hi Mona, Thanks for your thoughts on this. I tried having the sesame milk this morning and my bladder feels like it is on fire. I'm going to continue with my green juices 3 x a day with cooked rice and avacado for now, and try to build up. I haven't been able to tolerate any vegetable that isn't juiced as the fiber really does a number on me. I did a 18 day juice fast in the spring of 2006, but it created such spasms that I stopped. About 3 years ago I went to a fasting clinic called True North in Santa Rosa,(water fasting) but had a bad experience and ended up coming home in worse shape than I arrived. I appreciate everyones thoughts on my situation, and I'm going to continue to work to the goal on 100 % raw. I was glad to hear that you did heal from the IBS. Mary RawSeattle , <mldbach wrote: > > Hi Mary, > > I came into this program almost three years ago > because I had IBS. This is what I did. > > I read Dr. Norman Walker's books and started with lots > of vegetable juices. That included carrot, beet, > celery, cucumber, and various combinations of them. I > started eating fruit smoothies for breakfast, drinking > juice a couple of times a day, and salad with a cooked > meal most evenings. It took about 6 month's or more > before I started having regular bowl movements that > didn't look like IBS movements. It took time, but I > felt much better within a week or so after juicing. I > didn't concider myself healed until almost a year > later when I went 100% raw 28 days out of 30, to be > quite honest. > > I tried several of the popular cleanses that are out > there but now realize that the best is plain water > fast, which I do once a week now. I've never read the > books that were suggested to you, but I know that > following the Natural Hygeine program works really > well. I never got into making too many raw recipes, > however I do make a few at times. I still eat > smoothies, but usually it's salads, either fruit or > lettuce. I've recently cut back on my nut intake to > see what will happen. I rarely make vegetable juice > anymore. I think what I did was right for me at the > time. I'm really grateful for finding NH because I'm > completely healed from IBS. > > I wish you well. I know how awful IBS is and wouldn't > wish it on anyone. > > Please feel free to email me if you would like to > discuss this more. > > Mona > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396546091 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Whatever liquid you can tolerate I would take in small portions throughout the day. Then I would take a steam bath each day. This takes the pressure off the bladder to release excess liquids. Have you tried ground up flax seed? It's very calming to the intestines. Also you could try flax seed tea. You could definitely use professional help in dealing with this, someone who could use kinesiology to determine what would help you the best. Best wishes for a full recovery, Ron Koenig RawSeattle , " connecttoday " <marypickard wrote: > > I would like to become a raw foodist, however I'm having a difficult > time trying to figure out how to start. The problem is: I have a > severe case of IBS. I'm also gulten intorerant. > In addition I have a bladder conditions called Interstitial Cystitis. > This make it impossible to eat or drink fruit due to the acid in fruit. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 FYI, Loren's program is now in Panama. Elchanan RawSeattle [RawSeattle ] On Behalf Of Jeff Rogers Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:54 AM Raw Seattle Re: [RawSeattle] Re: Need advice Mary, I had also thought of suggesting you consider extended water fasting and I would go to Tanglewood for a supervised water fast, however I would want to have been on more raw foods prior to a fast. The raw foods would charge my body prior to the fast. I believe Loren Lockman (he runs Tanglewood) requires a full week on raw fruits prior to fasting with him. Having said that, I believe that fasting can cure most (if not all) ills. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 How do I get past extreme peanut butter cravings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Have peanut butter. You can either make your own or buy organic.Just limit the amountdaffy_kitty5 <leta_mabel Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 10:18:40 AM Need advice How do I get past extreme peanut butter cravings? ---Check out our recipe files at http://www.fatfreevegan.com . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I understand completelyif you whip it with an equal amount of water or fruit juice, a little soft tofu, and add pinch pepper flakes (if juice not sweetened then a little agave nectar) - you have a fairly low fat dressing for rice, grains, salad by the tablespoon.atleast its a monounsaturated fat ---Patricia Squyres (714) 299-6468 (714) 974-7055 Fax--- On Wed, 10/28/09, daffy_kitty5 <leta_mabel wrote:daffy_kitty5 <leta_mabel Need advice Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:18 AM How do I get past extreme peanut butter cravings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 this recipe came from the fat free vegan site and uses 1/2 cup PB in about 20 cookies!!! of course you dont want to eat them all in one sitting - craving or not.....!!Lower-Fat Peanut Butter Banana Cookies One of the great things about this recipe is that you probably have all the ingredients in your pantry. Use chunky peanut butter if you like pieces of peanut in your cookies (I do!) 1/2 cup natural peanut butter, chunky or smooth 1/4 cup brown sugar 1/2 cup sugar 3/4 cup mashed banana 1 cup unbleached flour 1/2 cup whole wheat pastry flour 1 teaspoon baking powder 1 pinch salt 1/4 cup non-dairy chocolate chips (optional) Preheat oven to 375. Line 2 baking sheets with parchment paper or a silicon baking mat. Cream together the peanut butter and sugars. Add the mashed banana and mix until creamy. In a separate bowl, combine the flours, baking powder, and salt. Add the flour mixture to the peanut butter a little at a time until totally absorbed. Add the chocolate chips, if desired, and mix until well-blended, but do not over-mix. Drop by rounded tablespoons onto prepared pans, about 2 inches apart. Flatten with a fork dipped in water. (These cookies will not spread as they cook, so the shape they're in when they come out of the oven will be about the same as when they went in.) Bake for about 10 minutes, until bottoms are golden brown. Remove and let cool before serving.Makes 20 cookies. Each without chocolate chips contains: 102 Calories (kcal); 3g Total Fat; (27% calories from fat); 3g Protein; 17g Carbohydrate; 0mg Cholesterol; 63mg Sodium; 1g Fiber. Weight Watchers 2 Points. With chocolate chips: 116 Calories (kcal); 4g Total Fat; (30% calories from fat); 3g Protein; 19g Carbohydrate; 0mg Cholesterol; 64mg Sodium; 1g Fiber. Weight Watchers 2 Points. Patricia Squyres (714) 299-6468 (714) 974-7055 Fax--- On Wed, 10/28/09, daffy_kitty5 <leta_mabel wrote:daffy_kitty5 <leta_mabel Need advice Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:18 AM How do I get past extreme peanut butter cravings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 chocolate covered vegan has some good recipes for dealing with the pb cravings. faith-- " If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. " --Henry David Thoreau Visit my blog at http://chauceriangirl.wordpress.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I like this idea. It would be much better than eating it by the spoonful from the jar. Since I've been on low fat vegan diet, my peanut butter cravings have increased, which is not good, since I have a lot of weight to loose. , Patricia A Squyres <p.squyres wrote: > > I understand completely > > if you whip it with an equal amount of water or fruit juice, a little soft tofu, and add pinch pepper flakes (if juice not sweetened then a little agave nectar) - you have a fairly low fat dressing for rice, grains, salad by the tablespoon. > > atleast its a monounsaturated fat --- > > Patricia Squyres > > (714) 299-6468 > > (714) 974-7055 Fax > > --- On Wed, 10/28/09, daffy_kitty5 <leta_mabel wrote: > > daffy_kitty5 <leta_mabel > Need advice > > Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > How do I get past extreme peanut butter cravings? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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