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Serene wrote:Not vegan, not fat-free.> w/sauteed mushrooms, peppers, onions and serve with horseradish> mustard.. how are sauted mushrooms, peppers and onions not vegan????????? >> Spinach, mushroom/onion quesadillas;and since when is spinanch and mushroom/onion quesadillas not vegan????

Not fat-free, not usually vegan.Please educate me.Serene

 

Nor will I comment that I sautee with a seasoned cast iron with a bit of garlic...add water if it gets too hot or water, if you have an excellent pan sautee and carmelizing with the right temps and foods turn out nicely...hmmmm such critics...

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Horseradish is a root. On its own is a perennial plant of the Brassicacea family, which also includes mustard, wasabi, broccoli, & cabbages. Horseradish mustard is different from horseradish sauce. It can be either vegan or nonvegan-there are lots of

different brands, so check the labels. Most horseradish mustard is made

from vinegar, mustard seeds, horseradish (root), salt, spices, &

turmeric.Most horseradish sauce contains sour cream & mayonnaise, both things that are traditionally not vegan, but with a little creativity, you can easily substitute these things with vegan versions , and if you make the sour cream and mayo yourself, though maybe not completely fat free, you can make it with less fat that what you can buy commercially. I make my own sour cream using tofu, lemon juice, & salt. Vegan mayo has the same basis, but also adding a few other things like Flax Eggs and vinegar will help it be more mayo-like than sour cream (though mayo also generally contains oil too, so you may just need to experiment without using it. If it has the taste and texture of mayonnaise, then you have succeeded!)***Sauteeing veggies can be done with water or any flavorful liquid like broth or Tamari - you don't have to saute with added fats & oils.***I agree that quesadillas generally aren't vegan

nor are they fat free. Queso means cheese in Spanish, but it encompasses all kinds of cheese, not just the kind made from dairy products. Who says you have to use dairy cheese? Y'know, it isn't impossible to substitute dairy cheese with vegan cheese. And as far as fat goes, you really do need SOME fat in your diet in order for your body to

function properly. It is important in brain function, maintaining healthy skin & hair, insulating body organs against shock, maintaining body temperature, and promoting healthy cell function.

It doesn't have to be added fats like oils &

margarines-it can be from seeds & nuts, avocado, etc. If you are worried about the fat content though, even after veganizing the recipe, then don't make them. Easy as that. Michelle Orlando <ttbeachbum Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 10:03:02 AM Re: Unknown

 

 

Serene wrote:Not vegan, not fat-free.> w/sauteed mushrooms, peppers, onions and serve with horseradish> mustard.. how are sauted mushrooms, peppers and onions not vegan??????? ?? >> Spinach, mushroom/onion quesadillas;and since when is spinanch and mushroom/onion quesadillas not vegan????

Not fat-free, not usually vegan.Please educate me.Serene

 

Nor will I comment that I sautee with a seasoned cast iron with a bit of garlic...add water if it gets too hot or water, if you have an excellent pan sautee and carmelizing with the right temps and foods turn out nicely...hmmmm such critics...

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Michelle Orlando wrote:

 

> Serene wrote:

>

> Not vegan, not fat-free.

>

> > w/sauteed mushrooms, peppers, onions and serve with horseradish

> > mustard.. how are sauted mushrooms, peppers and onions not

> > vegan?????????

 

You snipped the part where you said " with a Pillsbury roll " . Those are

neither fat-free nor vegan, if I recall correctly.

 

> >

> > Spinach, mushroom/onion quesadillas;

> and since when is spinanch and mushroom/onion quesadillas not

> vegan???? Not fat-free, not usually vegan. Please educate me.

 

What cheese do you use in your quesadillas? Most cheese is not

fat-free, even if it's vegan. Most people on this list do use low-fat

vegan cheeses, but since I saw other non-vegan things on your list,

that's why I said " not fat-free, not *usually* vegan " .

 

Is that clearer?

 

> Nor will I comment that I sautee with a seasoned cast iron with a bit

> of garlic...add water if it gets too hot or water, if you have an

> excellent pan sautee and carmelizing with the right temps and foods

> turn out nicely...hmmmm such critics...

 

 

I admit that I do point out the times when people post

non-fat-free-vegan foods to this list, because there are a lot of new

folks here all the time (I've been here for ages, and I've seen it

happen) who will say " Oh, cool, I can eat Tofutti now! " when that stuff

is full of fat. (Just as a recent example.)

 

Serene

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Jenn wrote:

 

> And as far as fat goes, you really do need

> SOME fat in your diet in order for your body to function properly.

 

Yes, but you don't need to add fat to get it. There's plenty of fat for

those purposes in the beans, grains, starches, and veggies recommended

by people like Drs. McDougall and Fuhrman.

 

Serene

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Hi Serene

Quesadillas are cheese in a tortilla, not vegan.

If you eliminate the cheese (quesa) you might have to call them

something else.

my 2c.

lcc

 

Michelle Orlando wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Serene wrote:

 

Not vegan, not fat-free.

 

> w/sauteed mushrooms, peppers, onions and serve with horseradish

> mustard.. how are sauted mushrooms,

peppers and onions not vegan?????????

>

> Spinach, mushroom/onion quesadillas;

and since when is spinanch and

mushroom/onion quesadillas not vegan????

Not fat-free, not usually vegan.

Please educate me.

Serene

 

Nor will I comment that I sautee

with a seasoned cast iron with a bit of garlic...add water if it gets

too hot or water, if you have an excellent pan sautee and carmelizing

with the right temps and foods turn out nicely...hmmmm such critics...

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hmm... I guess that my bean dip versions should be called

" dillas-sin-quesa " ....... kind of hard to say after a few margaritas though!

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lcc wrote:

 

>

> Hi Serene Quesadillas are cheese in a tortilla, not vegan. If you

> eliminate the cheese (quesa) you might have to call them something

> else. my 2c.

 

Yes, that's what I was trying to say. You said it better than I. :-)

 

Serene

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, Serene <serene-lists wrote:

>

> Michelle Orlando wrote:

>

> > Serene wrote:

> >

> > Not vegan, not fat-free.

> >

> > > w/sauteed mushrooms, peppers, onions and serve with horseradish

> > > mustard.. how are sauted mushrooms, peppers and onions not

> > > vegan?????????

>

> You snipped the part where you said " with a Pillsbury roll " . Those are

> neither fat-free nor vegan, if I recall correctly.

 

You are absolutely correct which is why I did not comment...But I did ask...if

anyone has a good substitute? I have not found one..

>

> > >

> > > Spinach, mushroom/onion quesadillas;

> > and since when is spinanch and mushroom/onion quesadillas not

> > vegan???? Not fat-free, not usually vegan. Please educate me.

>

> What cheese do you use in your quesadillas? Most cheese is not

> fat-free, even if it's vegan. Most people on this list do use low-fat

> vegan cheeses, but since I saw other non-vegan things on your list,

> that's why I said " not fat-free, not *usually* vegan " .

>

> Is that clearer? Yes...and actually, I am violently lactose intolerant, so I

really prefer to avoid all sorts of cheeses...even veggie cheese has hidden

casin...shame on me for not reading the label, but my body certainly

reacted....so after carmelizing everything...(I forget I add garlic to alot)...I

put the contents in between two torilla (of your choice) and put in a warm pan

with a weight to sort of seal it...I incorrectly refer to them as quesadillas as

they are not rolled like a burrito or wrap...more of the style of presenting...

>

> > Nor will I comment that I sautee with a seasoned cast iron with a bit

> > of garlic...add water if it gets too hot or water, if you have an

> > excellent pan sautee and carmelizing with the right temps and foods

> > turn out nicely...hmmmm such critics...

>

>

> I admit that I do point out the times when people post

> non-fat-free-vegan foods to this list, because there are a lot of new

> folks here all the time (I've been here for ages, and I've seen it

> happen) who will say " Oh, cool, I can eat Tofutti now! " when that stuff

> is full of fat. (Just as a recent example.) I am looking forward to the cheese

substitutes (I have not mastered the raw cashews and really do miss the

smoothness but not the reaction I have from the animal products.)

>

> Serene

>

[Guest guest]

As I said below...I incorrectly categorized this as in presenting the food in a

flat fashion and sliced into triangles and ribbons (however without the

cheese)...rather than rolled like a burrito or wrap.

You are correct.

 

, Serene <serene-lists wrote:

>

> lcc wrote:

>

> >

> > Hi Serene Quesadillas are cheese in a tortilla, not vegan. If you

> > eliminate the cheese (quesa) you might have to call them something

> > else. my 2c.

>

> Yes, that's what I was trying to say. You said it better than I. :-)

>

> Serene

>

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lol thanks for adding lightness to the conversation....

, " rileysoprano " <rileysoprano wrote:

>

> hmm... I guess that my bean dip versions should be called

" dillas-sin-quesa " ....... kind of hard to say after a few margaritas though!

>

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Maybe Frijodilla? (free-hoe-dee-ya) Since frijoles are beans and we are removing the queso? :-)rileysoprano <rileysoprano Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 11:14:49 AM Re: Unknown

 

 

hmm... I guess that my bean dip versions should be called "dillas-sin- quesa"... .... kind of hard to say after a few margaritas though!

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ttbeachbum wrote:

>

> , Serene <serene-lists

> wrote:

> > Michelle Orlando wrote:

> >

> >> Serene wrote:

> >>

> >> Not vegan, not fat-free.

> >>

> >>> w/sauteed mushrooms, peppers, onions and serve with horseradish

> >>> mustard.. how are sauted mushrooms, peppers and onions not

> >>> vegan?????????

> > You snipped the part where you said " with a Pillsbury roll " . Those

> > are neither fat-free nor vegan, if I recall correctly.

>

> You are absolutely correct which is why I did not comment...But I did

> ask...if anyone has a good substitute? I have not found one..

 

Oh, sorry, I didn't see that question. It's very easy to make your own

rolls, and there are lots of vegan ones in my stores (there may not be

in yours, but you could look). Most commercial sourdough bread is

vegan. I can give you a few bread recipes if you're up for doing it

yourself.

 

Serene

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That's probably not so easy to say after a few margaritas, either! LOL! Marilyn

 

 

 

 

 

Victoria Christison <victoriachristison

 

Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:50 pm

Re: Re: Unknown

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe Frijodilla? (free-hoe-dee-ya) Since frijoles are beans and we are removing the queso? :-)

 

 

 

 

rileysoprano <rileysoprano >

 

Tue, February 9, 2010 11:14:49 AM

Re: Unknown

 

hmm... I guess that my bean dip versions should be called "dillas-sin- quesa"... .... kind of hard to say after a few margaritas though!

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ttbeachbum wrote:

> I looked and all that my local stores (including healthfood stores)

> carried were pillsbury...I actually made these for guests...(I am not

> a big white flour eater to begin with)...my husband who is not vegan

> does enjoy these over meat hot dogs, and guests can not tell with the

> spicy mustard. I have been experimenting with 'wraps', naan breads,

> and my new find are the wonton skins (most though are white flour).

 

Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a whole-grain wonton skin, either.

 

How does your family like corn tortillas? They're almost always vegan,

and my partner likes a hot dog in a corn tortilla (warmed up first).

 

Serene

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I will give it a try! I am open to all new recipes from here.

Thanks!

 

, Serene <serene-lists wrote:

>

> ttbeachbum wrote:

> > I looked and all that my local stores (including healthfood stores)

> > carried were pillsbury...I actually made these for guests...(I am not

> > a big white flour eater to begin with)...my husband who is not vegan

> > does enjoy these over meat hot dogs, and guests can not tell with the

> > spicy mustard. I have been experimenting with 'wraps', naan breads,

> > and my new find are the wonton skins (most though are white flour).

>

> Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a whole-grain wonton skin, either.

>

> How does your family like corn tortillas? They're almost always vegan,

> and my partner likes a hot dog in a corn tortilla (warmed up first).

>

> Serene

>

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According to PETA's I Can't Believe it's Vegan list, Pillsbury Crescent rolls are vegan!  I don't use them, and I would assume they are not fat free but it's hard to find the nutritional info online in the 30 seconds I spent on the task.

 

Debbie

Somebody wrote:

> You snipped the part where you said " with a Pillsbury roll " . Those are> neither fat-free nor vegan, if I recall correctly.

 You are absolutely correct which is why I did not comment...But I did ask...if anyone has a good substitute?  I have not found one..

[Guest guest]

Wow. Bisquick is vegan. Who knew?

 

Dena

 

 

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Debbie

Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:13 PM

Re: Re: Unknown

 

According to PETA's I Can't Believe it's Vegan list, Pillsbury Crescent rolls are vegan! I don't use them, and I would assume they are not fat free but it's hard to find the nutritional info online in the 30 seconds I spent on the task.

 

Debbie

Somebody wrote:

> You snipped the part where you said "with a Pillsbury roll". Those are> neither fat-free nor vegan, if I recall correctly. You are absolutely correct which is why I did not comment...But I did ask...if anyone has a good substitute? I have not found one..

[Guest guest]

Definitely not fat free. :-) The original style of Pillsbury crescent rolls

contain 6 grams of fat per roll (including 2 grams saturated fat), resulting in

54 out of 110 calories from fat. The Big and Flaky version contains 10 grams

fat (2.5 g saturated) for 90 out of 180 calories from fat.

 

 

 

 

 

, Debbie <debbie wrote:

>

> According to PETA's I Can't Believe it's Vegan

> list<http://www.peta.org/accidentallyVegan/VeganShoppingQS-Frozen.asp?>,

> Pillsbury

> Crescent rolls are vegan! I don't use them, and I would assume they are not

> fat free but it's hard to find the nutritional info online in the 30 seconds

> I spent on the task.

>

> Debbie

>

[Guest guest]

I have no idea if they're vegan, and I doubt they're fat free, or even low fat. But The Immaculate Baking Company just came out this past year with ready to bake cookies, and canned rolls just like the Pillsbury kind, but without the artificial colors or flavors. They were supposed to come out with crescent rolls, too, in early 2010, but I haven't seen them in stores yet. This is obviously not an option for those who wish to be strictly lowfat and vegan, but I thought I'd throw it out here since the subject came up. Marilyn

 

 

 

 

 

threefatesfiber <maryl4

 

Tue, Feb 9, 2010 6:28 pm

Re: Unknown

 

 

 

 

Definitely not fat free. :-) The original style of Pillsbury crescent rolls contain 6 grams of fat per roll (including 2 grams saturated fat), resulting in 54 out of 110 calories from fat. The Big and Flaky version contains 10 grams fat (2.5 g saturated) for 90 out of 180 calories from fat.

 

, Debbie <debbie wrote:

>

> According to PETA's I Can't Believe it's Vegan

> list<http://www.peta.org/accidentallyVegan/VeganShoppingQS-Frozen.asp?>,

> Pillsbury

> Crescent rolls are vegan! I don't use them, and I would assume they are not

> fat free but it's hard to find the nutritional info online in the 30 seconds

> I spent on the task.

>

> Debbie

>

[Guest guest]

Bisquick is vegan, but so are a bag of potato chips and coca cola!!!!

Vegan does not necessarily mean healthy.

Many of us are using the phrase " Low fat, whole food, plant based diet " these

days, vs VEGAN..

 

ps. check ur box of bisquick... there are partially hydrogenated oils in there..

TRANS FATS.

 

They dont pass the test for this kitchen!

 

Glad to share my experience on the list esp if it helps others.

Tom=

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I think this is SO important to remember! I was on another list, for families doing a gluten and casein free diet for health or other reasons. So many of the moms come on the list and ask things like "Are Fruity Pebbles GF?". I wish I had a dime for every time they asked this about unhealthy foods. I'm also on a list for families treating ADHD and other disabilities through nutrition (SAD foods but better quality). I can't tell you the number of moms who ask about *SHUDDER*--an all natural alternative to Pop Tarts! I honestly had no idea so many people fed their kids Pop Tarts before joining that list!

 

Sure, lots of foods are vegan. But they contain BHA, BHT, TBHQ, corn syrup, artificial colors, artificial sweeteners, and artificial flavors--not exactly healthy. I really think that's important to keep in mind, too. Potato chips have their place (sorry, but oh yes they do! LOL!). But shouldn't we raise the bar just a little bit and try for vegan AND healthy, most of the time? An unhealthy vegan is not a really great representative of the vegan diet, for anyone looking at them--and people DO look, whether we like it or not, and whether we consciously accept the role of "vegan ambassador" or not.

 

Just some thoughts. Marilyn

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tom Fronczak, LICSW <TJFronczak

 

Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:34 am

Re: Unknown

 

 

 

Bisquick is vegan, but so are a bag of potato chips and coca cola!!!!

Vegan does not necessarily mean healthy.

Many of us are using the phrase "Low fat, whole food, plant based diet" these days, vs VEGAN..

 

ps. check ur box of bisquick... there are partially hydrogenated oils in there.. TRANS FATS.

 

They dont pass the test for this kitchen!

 

Glad to share my experience on the list esp if it helps others.

Tom=

[Guest guest]

I thought they are vegan (I never had a bad reaction), but certainly not fat

free...

 

, Debbie <debbie wrote:

>

> According to PETA's I Can't Believe it's Vegan

> list<http://www.peta.org/accidentallyVegan/VeganShoppingQS-Frozen.asp?>,

> Pillsbury

> Crescent rolls are vegan! I don't use them, and I would assume they are not

> fat free but it's hard to find the nutritional info online in the 30 seconds

> I spent on the task.

>

> Debbie

>

> Somebody wrote:

>

> >

> > > You snipped the part where you said " with a Pillsbury roll " . Those are

> > > neither fat-free nor vegan, if I recall correctly.

> >

> > You are absolutely correct which is why I did not comment...But I did

> > ask...if anyone has a good substitute? I have not found one..

> >

>