Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 I'd really love to hear from men on this list. I hope I'm not picking at too many scabs. I know I don't participate a lot, but this list seemed like a good place to start. My brother is trying to scale back his meat consumption. He's diabetic, and we have a bad family history (high blood pressure on Mom's side, and Daddy died of a heart attack when he was 38.) He's 24 and just realized he's not immortal. Well, his male friends are picking on him and doing things like trying to dangle bacon in front of him while he eats something veggie (and the boy *likes* bacon, too!) He found the new Burger King commercial, for some double- thick-bacon-with-cheese monster, particularly annoying--it basically suggests that a man who doesn't want to eat himself into an early heart attack ought to just turn in his bits and pieces. I can't say much to assuage his masculine pride, because I'm female. So I was wondering if there were any books or blogs or websites that address vegetarianism from a uniquely male perspective. Also, how do you guys on this list handle that kind of pressure--or do you not feel it? I'm really curious. Thanks a lot in advance. Blessed be, Jayelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 Hi, I don't know of any books or blogs dealing with going vegetarian from a male perspective. I don't/didn't have friends dangling bacon in front of me. Many said they thought it was probably a good idea although they didn't feel capable/comfortable of doing it at the present time. My biggest issue is my omnivore wife who every several months says how frustrated she is that we can't consistently go out to the old restaurants we went to and/or eat some of the old meals we used to eat together. Please keep in mind I became a vegetarian (lacto- ovo) in 1998 but I still occasionally hear these complaints. I actually didn't feel nor do I feel now any " macho " or masculine requirements to eat meat. I feel compassion for the manner in which animals are treated who are used for food, for testing and for many other uses that I consider inhumane. Although it may be a male thing to a certain extent it also relates to the males and females with whom you associate. It also relates to the society or culture in which you live. I consider it more a matter of pride of self than pride of masculinity. I think this relates to many areas of life. Some people are happy to meet their own goals and receive personal and internal reinforcement for their beliefs or activities. Some people need external reinforcement for their beliefs, their activities, their sense of self and their body. One is not necessarily better than the other, just the way people are. In fewer words, I'm male, I answered but I don't think I can provide good answers for your brother because we are different. I wish him the best of luck and the best of health and hope he succeeds despite the attitudes of his male friends. I don't and have not felt that particular pressure. Gary --- Jayelle Wiggins <jayelle3 wrote: > I'd really love to hear from men on this list. I > hope I'm not > picking at too many scabs. I know I don't > participate a lot, but > this list seemed like a good place to start. > > My brother is trying to scale back his meat > consumption. He's > diabetic, and we have a bad family history (high > blood pressure on > Mom's side, and Daddy died of a heart attack when he > was 38.) He's > 24 and just realized he's not immortal. Well, his > male friends are > picking on him and doing things like trying to > dangle bacon in front > of him while he eats something veggie (and the boy > *likes* bacon, > too!) He found the new Burger King commercial, for > some double- > thick-bacon-with-cheese monster, particularly > annoying--it basically > suggests that a man who doesn't want to eat himself > into an early > heart attack ought to just turn in his bits and > pieces. > > I can't say much to assuage his masculine pride, > because I'm > female. So I was wondering if there were any books > or blogs or > websites that address vegetarianism from a uniquely > male > perspective. > > Also, how do you guys on this list handle that kind > of pressure--or > do you not feel it? I'm really curious. > > Thanks a lot in advance. > > Blessed be, > Jayelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 i had one of those door-to-door meat salesman (male) actually tell me our veggie family was probably a lot better off and would live longer than he would. we had another one ask " :then why do you have a grill? " LOL as if vegetarians dont grill anything meg Gary Mattingly wrote: > Hi, > > I don't know of any books or blogs dealing > with going vegetarian from a male perspective. > I don't/didn't have friends dangling bacon > in front of me. Many said they thought it > was probably a good idea although they > didn't feel capable/comfortable of doing > it at the present time. My biggest issue > is my omnivore wife who every several months > says how frustrated she is that we can't > consistently go out to the old restaurants > we went to and/or eat some of the old > meals we used to eat together. Please > keep in mind I became a vegetarian (lacto- > ovo) in 1998 but I still occasionally > hear these complaints. > > I actually didn't feel nor do I feel now any > " macho " or masculine requirements to eat meat. > I feel compassion for the manner in which > animals are treated who are used for food, > for testing and for many other uses that > I consider inhumane. > > Although it may be a male thing to a certain > extent it also relates to the males and females > with whom you associate. It also relates to > the society or culture in which you live. > I consider it more a matter of pride of > self than pride of masculinity. I think > this relates to many areas of life. Some > people are happy to meet their own goals > and receive personal and internal reinforcement > for their beliefs or activities. Some > people need external reinforcement for > their beliefs, their activities, their > sense of self and their body. One is > not necessarily better than the other, > just the way people are. > > In fewer words, I'm male, I answered but > I don't think I can provide good answers > for your brother because we are different. > > I wish him the best of luck and the best > of health and hope he succeeds despite > the attitudes of his male friends. I > don't and have not felt that particular > pressure. > > Gary > > --- Jayelle Wiggins <jayelle3 wrote: > > > I'd really love to hear from men on this list. I > > hope I'm not > > picking at too many scabs. I know I don't > > participate a lot, but > > this list seemed like a good place to start. > > > > My brother is trying to scale back his meat > > consumption. He's > > diabetic, and we have a bad family history (high > > blood pressure on > > Mom's side, and Daddy died of a heart attack when he > > was 38.) He's > > 24 and just realized he's not immortal. Well, his > > male friends are > > picking on him and doing things like trying to > > dangle bacon in front > > of him while he eats something veggie (and the boy > > *likes* bacon, > > too!) He found the new Burger King commercial, for > > some double- > > thick-bacon-with-cheese monster, particularly > > annoying--it basically > > suggests that a man who doesn't want to eat himself > > into an early > > heart attack ought to just turn in his bits and > > pieces. > > > > I can't say much to assuage his masculine pride, > > because I'm > > female. So I was wondering if there were any books > > or blogs or > > websites that address vegetarianism from a uniquely > > male > > perspective. > > > > Also, how do you guys on this list handle that kind > > of pressure--or > > do you not feel it? I'm really curious. > > > > Thanks a lot in advance. > > > > Blessed be, > > Jayelle > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 Jayelle's post about " men and vegetarianism " kinda got to me, and I posted an ad hoc essay/response at my blogsite below. It was worth a little more time considering, thinking, and writing about based upon my own experiences. Hope it helps. The idea, too, of a " help site " for male vegetarisn/vegans is also intriguing.... Anyway.... FYI, Mark ---- Blogsite: http://www.soulveggie.com ****************************************************************** Mark Sutton, Webmaster * msutton Editor, Mad Cowboy e-Newsletter, http://www.madcowboy.com To , send a blank e-mail to: Mad_Cowboy- Back issues/info: Mad_Cowboy/ Mark's Personal Veg'n Blog: http://www.soulveggie.com ****************************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 I just visited and commented at your blog. A million thank yous. :- ) Blessed be, Jayelle , Mark Sutton <soulveggie wrote: > > Jayelle's post about " men and vegetarianism " kinda got to me, and I posted an ad hoc essay/response at my blogsite below. It was worth a little more time considering, thinking, and writing about based upon my own experiences. Hope it helps. > > The idea, too, of a " help site " for male vegetarisn/vegans is also intriguing.... > > Anyway.... FYI, Mark > > ---- > Blogsite: http://www.soulveggie.com > > ****************************************************************** > Mark Sutton, Webmaster * msutton > Editor, Mad Cowboy e-Newsletter, http://www.madcowboy.com > To , send a blank e-mail to: Mad_Cowboy- > Back issues/info: Mad_Cowboy/ > > Mark's Personal Veg'n Blog: http://www.soulveggie.com > ****************************************************************** > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 I'm glad your friends were more supportive than his, and I'm sorry your wife gets on your case sometimes. He's resisted pressure before, but when he's battling his own cravings as well, it's been a bit difficult on him. Blessed be, Jayelle , Gary Mattingly <gsmattingly wrote: > > Hi, > > I don't know of any books or blogs dealing > with going vegetarian from a male perspective. > I don't/didn't have friends dangling bacon > in front of me. Many said they thought it > was probably a good idea although they > didn't feel capable/comfortable of doing > it at the present time. My biggest issue > is my omnivore wife who every several months > says how frustrated she is that we can't > consistently go out to the old restaurants > we went to and/or eat some of the old > meals we used to eat together. Please > keep in mind I became a vegetarian (lacto- > ovo) in 1998 but I still occasionally > hear these complaints. > > I actually didn't feel nor do I feel now any > " macho " or masculine requirements to eat meat. > I feel compassion for the manner in which > animals are treated who are used for food, > for testing and for many other uses that > I consider inhumane. > > Although it may be a male thing to a certain > extent it also relates to the males and females > with whom you associate. It also relates to > the society or culture in which you live. > I consider it more a matter of pride of > self than pride of masculinity. I think > this relates to many areas of life. Some > people are happy to meet their own goals > and receive personal and internal reinforcement > for their beliefs or activities. Some > people need external reinforcement for > their beliefs, their activities, their > sense of self and their body. One is > not necessarily better than the other, > just the way people are. > > In fewer words, I'm male, I answered but > I don't think I can provide good answers > for your brother because we are different. > > I wish him the best of luck and the best > of health and hope he succeeds despite > the attitudes of his male friends. I > don't and have not felt that particular > pressure. > > Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 I'm wondering whether or not the ability to resist relates, to a certain extent, to the reason one becomes a vegetarian. I became a vegetarian for animal-rights related reason. Any time I even have vague thoughts about eating meat simply picturing how animals are kept and slaughtered is more than enough to keep me from eating meat. Whereas I should actually eat less and exercise more and I have a much harder time doing that. Gary --- Jayelle Wiggins <jayelle3 wrote: > I'm glad your friends were more supportive than > his, and I'm sorry your wife gets on your case > sometimes. > > He's resisted pressure before, but when he's > battling his own cravings as well, it's been a bit > difficult on him. > > > Blessed be, > Jayelle > > , Gary > Mattingly > <gsmattingly wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I don't know of any books or blogs dealing > > with going vegetarian from a male perspective. > > I don't/didn't have friends dangling bacon > > in front of me. Many said they thought it > > was probably a good idea although they > > didn't feel capable/comfortable of doing > > it at the present time. My biggest issue > > is my omnivore wife who every several months > > says how frustrated she is that we can't > > consistently go out to the old restaurants > > we went to and/or eat some of the old > > meals we used to eat together. Please > > keep in mind I became a vegetarian (lacto- > > ovo) in 1998 but I still occasionally > > hear these complaints. > > > > I actually didn't feel nor do I feel now any > > " macho " or masculine requirements to eat meat. > > I feel compassion for the manner in which > > animals are treated who are used for food, > > for testing and for many other uses that > > I consider inhumane. > > > > Although it may be a male thing to a certain > > extent it also relates to the males and females > > with whom you associate. It also relates to > > the society or culture in which you live. > > I consider it more a matter of pride of > > self than pride of masculinity. I think > > this relates to many areas of life. Some > > people are happy to meet their own goals > > and receive personal and internal reinforcement > > for their beliefs or activities. Some > > people need external reinforcement for > > their beliefs, their activities, their > > sense of self and their body. One is > > not necessarily better than the other, > > just the way people are. > > > > In fewer words, I'm male, I answered but > > I don't think I can provide good answers > > for your brother because we are different. > > > > I wish him the best of luck and the best > > of health and hope he succeeds despite > > the attitudes of his male friends. I > > don't and have not felt that particular > > pressure. > > > > Gary > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 Well, this may produce an interesting new thread. For me, it was health reasons--that family history. Also, I found that I just feel *better* when I don't eat meat and keep the animal products to a min. (Not easy--I like cheese and ice cream. A LOT!) I found out later I'm allergic to eggs and all poultry. Blessed be, Jayelle , Gary Mattingly <gsmattingly wrote: > > I'm wondering whether or not the ability > to resist relates, to a certain extent, > to the reason one becomes a vegetarian. > I became a vegetarian for animal-rights > related reason. Any time I even have > vague thoughts about eating meat simply > picturing how animals are kept and slaughtered > is more than enough to keep me from eating > meat. Whereas I should actually eat less > and exercise more and I have a much harder > time doing that. > > Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 Awesome answer on your blog, Mark. i really enjoyed reading it. i just love hearing Howard " MadCowboy " speak when he is interviewed on radio talk shows; such a concise no-nonsense approach to the whole issue of factory farming and world food supply. ~ pt ~ Promises are like the full moon: if they are not kept at once they diminish day by day. ~ German proverb ~~~*~~~*~~~> , Mark Sutton <soulveggie wrote: > > Jayelle's post about " men and vegetarianism " kinda got to me, and I posted an ad hoc essay/response at my blogsite below. It was worth a little more time considering, thinking, and writing about based upon my own experiences. Hope it helps. > > The idea, too, of a " help site " for male vegetarisn/vegans is also intriguing.... > > Anyway.... FYI, Mark > > ---- > Blogsite: http://www.soulveggie.com > > ****************************************************************** > Mark Sutton, Webmaster * msutton > Editor, Mad Cowboy e-Newsletter, http://www.madcowboy.com > To , send a blank e-mail to: Mad_Cowboy- > Back issues/info: Mad_Cowboy/ > > Mark's Personal Veg'n Blog: http://www.soulveggie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 I also sent the " Mad Cowboy " link to my brother. Blessed be, Jayelle , " ~ PT ~ " <patchouli_troll wrote: > > Awesome answer on your blog, Mark. i really enjoyed reading it. > i just love hearing Howard " MadCowboy " speak when he is > interviewed on radio talk shows; such a concise no-nonsense > approach to the whole issue of factory farming and world food > supply. > > ~ pt ~ > > Promises are like the full moon: if they are not kept > at once they diminish day by day. > ~ German proverb > ~~~*~~~*~~~> > , Mark Sutton <soulveggie@> > wrote: > > > > Jayelle's post about " men and vegetarianism " kinda got to me, and I posted > an ad hoc essay/response at my blogsite below. It was worth a little more time > considering, thinking, and writing about based upon my own experiences. > Hope it helps. > > > > The idea, too, of a " help site " for male vegetarisn/vegans is also intriguing.... > > > > Anyway.... FYI, Mark > > > > ---- > > Blogsite: http://www.soulveggie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Somewhat related to this topic, is the <a href= " http://www.triroc.com/caroladams/spom.mp3 " target= " _blank " >Sexual Politics of Meat song</a>, based on Carol Adam's book of the same title..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Thank you, Tom! :-) B*B, Jayelle -- In , " Tom " <antipreophogistiii wrote: > > Somewhat related to this topic, is the <a > href= " http://www.triroc.com/caroladams/spom.mp3 " > target= " _blank " >Sexual Politics of Meat song</a>, based on Carol > Adam's book of the same title..... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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