OT: Fat vegetarians, becoming veggier, tastes like chicken

[Guest guest]

Would you like to define " fat? " Or thin for that matter? Chubby? Define. It

is ludicrous that anyone would comment on the stereotype of all vegetarians

and vegans being thin. And you don't talk about how long you have been

chubby? Nor do you say how old you are? Are there any health issues? Is your

family " chubby. " Those all impact the size we are regardless of being

vegetarian or vegan for that matter. Reread the statistics...it just says

that overweight issues plague veggies less often...doesn't say that all

veggies are thin. Same goes for a lot of other things....guess what? There

are vegetarians and vegans that are diabetic too, get cancer, have strokes,

have heart attacks. Being vegetarian/vegan is no guarantee of long and

healthy life, but it is a life that doesn't add to the misery of other

sentient beings and it does mean that we are probably healthier over all of

those that eat meat. I am a vegan, and before that I was a vegetarian for

many years. As I got older I gained weight nevertheless. Now I suppose maybe

the outside world would say I am chubby. But that is the outside world. I am

older, I have a metabolic disturbance (lol). I don't eat junk food, I get

heavy duty daily exercise, but that is a natural one, not the gym. Chalk up

the jerks that ridicule you about being heavier than they think appropriate

and a vegetarian and tell them to screw off. Honest to goddess, some people

have got the common sense of wall board. I do know what you are talking

about though, so sometimes I will say " I'm the only fat vegan you will ever

meet. " Stops them in their tracks. (I am given to hyperbole) Relax, accept

yourself, do what you can and enjoy and leave the jerks to jerkdom. Pisses

me off when people treat others like that.

 

That being said I have known a lot of vegetarians that are so skitterish

about not getting enough protein in their diets that they put cheese or eggs

or milk or cream into nearly everything they eat. Those are very high

calorie and absolutely are really not needed. You get all you need in the

nutritional area without those things.

 

I am a vegan for the moral and ethical issues that I see so I don't use

anything made from animals or animal by-products. I know that I can't avoid

everything since even glue that is found in everything and furniture

processes will use animal by-products but I have found replacements for

anything that I need and if I can't I do without. I also won't use anything

that was tested on animals and that gets a bit tricky. But it wasn't a slow

conversion...it just smacked me in the face one day and from that moment on

I was sickened with what I knew I had been doing all of my life. Dairy

products and eggs were once a part of my nutrition, until I saw and learned

about the terrible abuses that dairy cows and chickens go through, and about

the fact that the male calf of the dairy cow goes to become veal and all of

the baby chickens of layer hens are immediately killed sometimes by sending

them through a grinder alive. So, my becoming more aware of the costs in

terms of humaneness I couldn't keep on...so that was my evolution.

 

As for attempting to mimic foods that I once enjoyed I don't. I just try

anything new and accept or reject it on whether or not my tongue likes it. I

enjoyed meat until I understood that meat is not meat...it is another living

being that loves breathing, the sun, being with their kind and just enjoys

being alive. If I won't eat you why would I eat a another being? I think

that for some giving up cheese, if they go vegan, is the hardest thing for

them to do.

linda

 

" Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do

it. "

Mohandas Gandhi

 

linda's albums: womyn47

 

-

" Jayelle " <jayelle3

 

>

> I have three topics on my mind that relate to vegetarianism, so I'm

> sharing them all.

>

> 1. Is anyone else here a fat vegetarian? I'm losing weight, but that's

> because I'm moving more and not eating as much junk as I have in the

> past. And then people get surprised that I'm vegetarian because I'm

> chubby. It's actually one of the reasons I don't talk about it much,

> because I don't want to be ridiculed.

>

> A few days ago, my mom reminded me that the pandas I love are chubby

> vegetarians (wish I could be as cute and confident as Mei Xiang, the

> National Zoo's mama panda!), and so was the Buddha. Meanwhile, my

> omnivore wife's weight hovers around 95 pounds!

>

> 2. I've been getting slowly more interested in whole foods and how my

> food is made, and less interested in animal products of any kind. I eat

> vegetarian for health reasons, but lately, I've felt a bit grossed out

> at the idea of putting leather on my feet. I'm also looking out for

> cheese that says " microbial rennet " or " no animal rennet " or " suitable

> for vegetarians " --I used to not really care about how the cheese was

> made. How have others' tastes and views on these matters evolved?

>

> 3. Let's say there's a carnivorous thing you've never liked, such as,

> in my case, chicken of any kind, scrambled eggs, and tuna salad. Would

> you try a veggie version of these things, if it purported to have a

> similar taste and texture? I've given Quorn a chance and liked it

> okay--it also makes my beloved happy--but the idea of scrambled tofu or

> vegetarian tuna salad makes me literally queasy.

>

> There's gotta be some discussion here!

>

> Blessed be,

>

> Jayelle

[Guest guest]

, " linda " <lindai81

wrote:

>

> Would you like to define " fat? " Or thin for that matter? Chubby?

Define.

 

--->Wear a size 16. Got up to size 22.

 

It

> is ludicrous that anyone would comment on the stereotype of all

vegetarians

> and vegans being thin.

 

--->Do you mean here? (I think it's one of the hardest parts.) Or

out in the world?

 

And you don't talk about how long you have been

> chubby? Nor do you say how old you are?

 

--->All my life, basically. (I'm 32.) I'd probably have been

better off had I accepted that I'd always have a belly and not tried

to starve myself in high school.

 

Are there any health issues? Is your

> family " chubby. " Those all impact the size we are regardless of

being

> vegetarian or vegan for that matter.

 

--->I had fibroids, which made exercise hard. I gained a lot of

weight. Heart disease and high pressure run in my family,

both sides. I'm proud that my cholesterol and pressure are

okay right now. Most of my relatives are chubby. (I like that word

better than fat--it sounds cuter. :-)

 

I get

> heavy duty daily exercise, but that is a natural one, not the gym.

 

--->My wife works in a gym, and I get her DP benefits, so I take

belly-dancing in the gym and take advantage of a nice, clean pool.

But I'd rather swim, walk, and surf.

 

Chalk up

> the jerks that ridicule you about being heavier than they think

appropriate

> and a vegetarian and tell them to screw off.

 

--->Oh, I do, but I have this real tendency to take things to heart.

 

> That being said I have known a lot of vegetarians that are so

skitterish

> about not getting enough protein in their diets that they put

cheese or eggs

> or milk or cream into nearly everything they eat. Those are very

high

> calorie and absolutely are really not needed. You get all you need

in the

> nutritional area without those things.

 

--->I used to use lots of cheese, but that's because I like cheese

and just couldn't conceive of meatless food without it. I'm

learning about other tastes.

 

> I am a vegan for the moral and ethical issues that I see so I

don't use

> anything made from animals or animal by-products.

 

--->That's going to affect your basic philosophy. I think maybe

seeing the emotions in animals is affecting me, too.

 

> As for attempting to mimic foods that I once enjoyed I don't. I

just try

> anything new and accept or reject it on whether or not my tongue

likes it.

 

Well, then. My tongue likes Quorn; it may not like scrambled tofu

or faux tuna. (I'm picky about texture as well as taste.)

 

Blessed be,

Jayelle

[Guest guest]

Sorry but I have to say something here. you might not like that vegetarians

are sterotyped.. thats fine but u just stereotyped all dairy farmers in the

same breath.

 

Unless you have seen it for yourself, stood right there and watched, not

those shock value documentaries.

I know 2 dairy farmers in canada and 1 in the states who use their cows for

milk only the calfs are not sent for veal, they still feed from the

mother.Until it is weaned. Then their children take over and raise it until

its old enough to breed which is done naturally as well. Then it is passed

from farm to farm breeding at will. The bull is happy and so are the cows.

All 3 farms none of these 3 dairy farms mistreat their animals in anyway.

Their barns are so clean u could eat off the floors (not that I would want

to). My kids and I love to go there.

You are talking mass producing dairy farms, not everyday dairy farms.

 

As far as baby chickens of layer hens being grinded up..then explain to me

where the next generation of layer hens come from? If it was true there

would be none left.Not all chicken farms do that either.

thats my 2 cents.

 

AJ

Don't just read about it ......experience it.

 

 

 

 

-

" linda " <lindai81

 

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:46 AM

OT: Fat vegetarians, becoming veggier, " tastes

like chicken "

 

 

> Would you like to define " fat? " Or thin for that matter? Chubby? Define.

It

> is ludicrous that anyone would comment on the stereotype of all

vegetarians

> and vegans being thin. And you don't talk about how long you have been

> chubby? Nor do you say how old you are? Are there any health issues? Is

your

> family " chubby. " Those all impact the size we are regardless of being

> vegetarian or vegan for that matter. Reread the statistics...it just says

> that overweight issues plague veggies less often...doesn't say that all

> veggies are thin. Same goes for a lot of other things....guess what? There

> are vegetarians and vegans that are diabetic too, get cancer, have

strokes,

> have heart attacks. Being vegetarian/vegan is no guarantee of long and

> healthy life, but it is a life that doesn't add to the misery of other

> sentient beings and it does mean that we are probably healthier over all

of

> those that eat meat. I am a vegan, and before that I was a vegetarian for

> many years. As I got older I gained weight nevertheless. Now I suppose

maybe

> the outside world would say I am chubby. But that is the outside world. I

am

> older, I have a metabolic disturbance (lol). I don't eat junk food, I get

> heavy duty daily exercise, but that is a natural one, not the gym. Chalk

up

> the jerks that ridicule you about being heavier than they think

appropriate

> and a vegetarian and tell them to screw off. Honest to goddess, some

people

> have got the common sense of wall board. I do know what you are talking

> about though, so sometimes I will say " I'm the only fat vegan you will

ever

> meet. " Stops them in their tracks. (I am given to hyperbole) Relax, accept

> yourself, do what you can and enjoy and leave the jerks to jerkdom. Pisses

> me off when people treat others like that.

>

> That being said I have known a lot of vegetarians that are so skitterish

> about not getting enough protein in their diets that they put cheese or

eggs

> or milk or cream into nearly everything they eat. Those are very high

> calorie and absolutely are really not needed. You get all you need in the

> nutritional area without those things.

>

> I am a vegan for the moral and ethical issues that I see so I don't use

> anything made from animals or animal by-products. I know that I can't

avoid

> everything since even glue that is found in everything and furniture

> processes will use animal by-products but I have found replacements for

> anything that I need and if I can't I do without. I also won't use

anything

> that was tested on animals and that gets a bit tricky. But it wasn't a

slow

> conversion...it just smacked me in the face one day and from that moment

on

> I was sickened with what I knew I had been doing all of my life. Dairy

> products and eggs were once a part of my nutrition, until I saw and

learned

> about the terrible abuses that dairy cows and chickens go through, and

about

> the fact that the male calf of the dairy cow goes to become veal and all

of

> the baby chickens of layer hens are immediately killed sometimes by

sending

> them through a grinder alive. So, my becoming more aware of the costs in

> terms of humaneness I couldn't keep on...so that was my evolution.

>

> As for attempting to mimic foods that I once enjoyed I don't. I just try

> anything new and accept or reject it on whether or not my tongue likes it.

I

> enjoyed meat until I understood that meat is not meat...it is another

living

> being that loves breathing, the sun, being with their kind and just enjoys

> being alive. If I won't eat you why would I eat a another being? I think

> that for some giving up cheese, if they go vegan, is the hardest thing for

> them to do.

> linda

>

> " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you

do

> it. "

> Mohandas Gandhi

>

> linda's albums: womyn47

>

> -

> " Jayelle " <jayelle3

>

> >

> > I have three topics on my mind that relate to vegetarianism, so I'm

> > sharing them all.

> >

> > 1. Is anyone else here a fat vegetarian? I'm losing weight, but that's

> > because I'm moving more and not eating as much junk as I have in the

> > past. And then people get surprised that I'm vegetarian because I'm

> > chubby. It's actually one of the reasons I don't talk about it much,

> > because I don't want to be ridiculed.

> >

> > A few days ago, my mom reminded me that the pandas I love are chubby

> > vegetarians (wish I could be as cute and confident as Mei Xiang, the

> > National Zoo's mama panda!), and so was the Buddha. Meanwhile, my

> > omnivore wife's weight hovers around 95 pounds!

> >

> > 2. I've been getting slowly more interested in whole foods and how my

> > food is made, and less interested in animal products of any kind. I eat

> > vegetarian for health reasons, but lately, I've felt a bit grossed out

> > at the idea of putting leather on my feet. I'm also looking out for

> > cheese that says " microbial rennet " or " no animal rennet " or " suitable

> > for vegetarians " --I used to not really care about how the cheese was

> > made. How have others' tastes and views on these matters evolved?

> >

> > 3. Let's say there's a carnivorous thing you've never liked, such as,

> > in my case, chicken of any kind, scrambled eggs, and tuna salad. Would

> > you try a veggie version of these things, if it purported to have a

> > similar taste and texture? I've given Quorn a chance and liked it

> > okay--it also makes my beloved happy--but the idea of scrambled tofu or

> > vegetarian tuna salad makes me literally queasy.

> >

> > There's gotta be some discussion here!

> >

> > Blessed be,

> >

> > Jayelle