Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 What a cool story. Wish it was that easy to convince everyone. Sam Well, I remember the first time I met a vegetarian: I was turning 20, very depressed and deep in an Ohio lake-front winter. }{e was a rosy cheeked boy who I had just met. He was beautiful, and I remember his piercing blue eyes, shoulder length shining hair-- thick and wavy. He was biting into an apple and somehow the conversation got onto why. He said he didn't eat meat and of course I asked. ....Looking at me with a calm and concentration as he worked the apple, he promptly said; " I just don't believe in killing animals to eat them " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 The first vegetarian I met was my mother. I got born, met her and the rest is history. When I went to live with my oldest sister for several years I discovered she ate meat and her refrigerator stunk of it. The whole house stunk of it. I hate to go past the meat section at the grocery store -- it reeks of decay. Sunday supper was a magnificent wheatsteak with mushrooms and onions, mashed garlic potatoes, corn with a bit of butter. All that after a nice salad and way before the cheesecake. Delightful and not one animal killed to get it. Lisa Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 In a message dated 6/21/2006 11:33:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, jtwigg writes: > Sounds like a great meal. What is " Way before the Cheesecake " ? > it is when you eat so much salad and so much wheatsteak and stuff that you have to wait at least an hour before you can stuff in dessert. BTW I make my own gluten for wheatsteak. Double yum and cheap to boot. I made about $100+ worth of guten product (if I had bought it canned) for less than $8. Simple, cheap and yummy. I made beef, chicken and mushroom flavors. One of these days I will tackle sausage. I need to get a bigger crockpot to simmer the product in -- the beef flavor is actually flavored with soysauce. I even made a 'roast' to slice for sandwiches, cube up for omlettes or salads. I can grind it up for wheatburgers. The book is called " how to make all the meat you eat from wheat " It has basic recipes for different flavors and then it has a mass of recipes that cover just about everything. There is nothing quite like bok choy, ground wheatburger with sauce over rice. A very simple, easy and very quick to fix meal. Lisa Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Sounds like a great meal. What is " Way before the Cheesecake " ? Was you sister raised to be a vegetarian also? My parents raised my 2 sisters and myself to be vegetarian. It's all I've ever known. One of my sisters, she is adopted, now eats meat as an adult. It is hard to realize how one can become a meat eater, that has not been raised eating it. I too can't go past the meat section of the grocery store. All that dead bloody meat, is repulsive as is the smell that you mentioned. One store used to see their Boco Burgers and other Vegetarian Items in with the meat. I only spotted them quite by accident one day, when I needed to ask the man behind the meat counter to paige some to help me. I talked with the store manager and told him that most vegetarian steer clear of the meat section and would NEVER look there for their Vegetarian meat sub. products. If they wanted these products to sell, then they must be completely away from them, like near the breakfast frozen items or frozen veggies. They moved them and then they started selling them. Guess meat eater just can't fathom that storing bloodified(as my daughter calls it) meat next to a Veggie Burger, would repulse the Vegetarian. They must not be noticing how we steer clear of that area and find reasons to look the other way. LOL Judy - kelownabc Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:33 PM Re: Who was the first vegetarian you met? The first vegetarian I met was my mother. I got born, met her and the rest is history. When I went to live with my oldest sister for several years I discovered she ate meat and her refrigerator stunk of it. The whole house stunk of it. I hate to go past the meat section at the grocery store -- it reeks of decay. Sunday supper was a magnificent wheatsteak with mushrooms and onions, mashed garlic potatoes, corn with a bit of butter. All that after a nice salad and way before the cheesecake. Delightful and not one animal killed to get it. Lisa Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 In a message dated 6/22/2006 10:18:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, patchouli_troll writes: > That is awesome, Lisa Marie! I tried looking > that book up by title on amazon.com but > I didn't find it. Could you direct me to a site > that sells this cool sounding cookbook you > mentioned? Maybe the ISBN number or author > name would narrow down my search. Thanks! > > I'd also love to put it into our file folder of > cookbook recommendations. > ok here is the full book title: How to make all the Meat You Eat Out of Wheat by Nina & Michael Shandler published by Rawson, Wade Publishers, Inc. with ISBN 0-89256-126-2 for Hardback and ISBN 0-89256-131-9 for paperback. The copyright on my book was 1980 and I am lucky enough to have a First Edition. I do hope all of you that want the book can find it somewhere/somehow. I found my copy in the Goodwill store for less than $3 and I can tell you I was elated beyond words. This cookbook has directions on how to make your own wheatmeat from whole wheat flour, using all the left over liquid, bran and starch in other products so nothing is wasted. In Part II there are hundreds of recipes covering American, Mexican, Latin American, British, French, Spanish, Italian, Austrian, Greek, African, Indian, Chinese and Japanese recipes. You won't get bored with the simple to make wheat meat even if you try each recipe only once and go back thru the book for the ones you really like the best. I must say that Wheatmeat lends itself quite well to nearly any cookbook. I have many meat (flesh) based cookbooks that I simply use my wheatmeat instead of the flesh product they list. The only thing you have to remember when using wheatmeat is it is already cooked and edible when making those 'adapted' meals. So for a potato casserole from a flesh based cookbook I only have to wait for the potatoes to cook -- not the meat. Lisa Marie Be kind to your self and the planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 That is a cool story and a great question, too. The first person I ever met that claimed to be a vegetarian was one of my boyfriend's sisters when I was 15. She wasn't really a vegetarian though, she still ate chicken and fish, but I didn't know much about vegetarianism so I thought that was alright... sounded good to me and I also adopted that diet. Then, later on in college, I met a guy who was allergic to everything! Well, he wasn't allergic to everything, but most everything processed and chemical additives, colors, etc. He was a vegetarian and gave me a copy of his book 'Diet for a Small Planet', or something like that. I read it and it opened my eyes as to what being a vegetarian was all about. I am glad I learned what vegetarianism was about, and I still feel like a student of this lifestyle today since I continue to learn new and interesting things from all of you. ~ PT ~ He who is cruel to animals becomes hard also in his dealings with men. We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals. ~ Immanuel Kant, philosopher (1724-1804) ~~~*~~~*~~~> , " Samantha Lea " <saml wrote: > > What a cool story. Wish it was that easy to convince everyone. > Sam > Well, I remember the first time I met a vegetarian: I was turning 20, > very depressed and deep in an Ohio lake-front winter. > }{e was a rosy cheeked boy who I had just met. He was beautiful, > and I remember his piercing blue eyes, shoulder length shining hair-- > thick and wavy. He was biting into an apple and somehow the > conversation got onto why. > He said he didn't eat meat and of course I asked. > ...Looking at me with a calm and concentration as he worked the > apple, he promptly said; " I just don't believe in killing animals > to eat them " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 That is such a good point, Judy. Sometimes grocery stores put vegetarian items in the strangest places. Then they wonder why they don't sell them and assume it is because there is no demand for vegetarian foods. Then grocery buyers drop the items with the excuse, " well, it doesn't sell, so it is not worth stocking " ~ which is so far from the truth! If we could find it, many people would probably buy it and try it. It is worth seeking out, so I have learned to ask and hunt for those veggie foods since there is no universally accepted grocery stocking format or rhyme nor reason where they are always found. *lol* Keeps life interesting... ~ PT ~ No one is useless in this world who lightens the burden of another. ~ Charles Dickens ~~~*~~~*~~~> , " wwjd " <jtwigg wrote: > One store used to see their Boco Burgers and other Vegetarian Items in with the meat. I only spotted them quite by accident one day, when I needed to ask the man behind the meat counter to paige some to help me. I talked with the store manager and told him that most vegetarian steer clear of the meat section and would NEVER look there for their Vegetarian meat sub. products. If they wanted these products to sell, then they must be completely away from them, like near the breakfast frozen items or frozen veggies. They moved them and then they started selling them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 That is awesome, Lisa Marie! I tried looking that book up by title on amazon.com but I didn't find it. Could you direct me to a site that sells this cool sounding cookbook you mentioned? Maybe the ISBN number or author name would narrow down my search. Thanks! I'd also love to put it into our file folder of cookbook recommendations. ~ PT ~ Whenever I despair, I remember that the way of truth and love has always won. There may be tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they may seem invincible, but in the end, they always fail. Think of it: always. ~ Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948) ~~~*~~~*~~~> , kelownabc wrote: > BTW I make my own gluten for wheatsteak. Double yum and cheap to boot. I > made about $100+ worth of guten product (if I had bought it canned) for less > than $8. Simple, cheap and yummy. I made beef, chicken and mushroom flavors. > One of these days I will tackle sausage. I need to get a bigger crockpot to > simmer the product in -- the beef flavor is actually flavored with soysauce. I > even made a 'roast' to slice for sandwiches, cube up for omlettes or salads. > I can grind it up for wheatburgers. > > The book is called " how to make all the meat you eat from wheat " It has basic > recipes for different flavors and then it has a mass of recipes that cover > just about everything. > > There is nothing quite like bok choy, ground wheatburger with sauce over > rice. A very simple, easy and very quick to fix meal. > > Lisa Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 I don't know who it was because I have never asked if they were or not. - kelownabc<kelownabc To: < > Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:47 AM Re: Who was the first vegetarian you met? In a message dated 6/21/2006 11:33:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, jtwigg<jtwigg writes: > Sounds like a great meal. What is " Way before the Cheesecake " ? > it is when you eat so much salad and so much wheatsteak and stuff that you have to wait at least an hour before you can stuff in dessert. BTW I make my own gluten for wheatsteak. Double yum and cheap to boot. I made about $100+ worth of guten product (if I had bought it canned) for less than $8. Simple, cheap and yummy. I made beef, chicken and mushroom flavors. One of these days I will tackle sausage. I need to get a bigger crockpot to simmer the product in -- the beef flavor is actually flavored with soysauce. I even made a 'roast' to slice for sandwiches, cube up for omlettes or salads. I can grind it up for wheatburgers. The book is called " how to make all the meat you eat from wheat " It has basic recipes for different flavors and then it has a mass of recipes that cover just about everything. There is nothing quite like bok choy, ground wheatburger with sauce over rice. A very simple, easy and very quick to fix meal. Lisa Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 > > >Sunday supper was a magnificent wheatsteak with mushrooms and onions, mashed >garlic potatoes, corn with a bit of butter. All that after a nice salad and >way before the cheesecake. Delightful and not one animal killed to get it. Holding tongue regarding male dairy calves... but on a nicer note...what's your recipe for wheatsteak. Sounds sooooo yummy! Veronica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 }{a }{a good point!...and the moral of the story IS: ask questions - -- In , " John Wickham " <johnwickham60 wrote: > > I don't know who it was because I have never asked if they were or not. > - > kelownabc<kelownabc > To: <@grou ps.com> > Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:47 AM > Re: Who was the first vegetarian you met? > > > In a message dated 6/21/2006 11:33:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, > jtwigg<jtwigg writes: > > > > Sounds like a great meal. What is " Way before the Cheesecake " ? > > > > it is when you eat so much salad and so much wheatsteak and stuff that you > have to wait at least an hour before you can stuff in dessert. > > BTW I make my own gluten for wheatsteak. Double yum and cheap to boot. I > made about $100+ worth of guten product (if I had bought it canned) for less > than $8. Simple, cheap and yummy. I made beef, chicken and mushroom flavors. > One of these days I will tackle sausage. I need to get a bigger crockpot to > simmer the product in -- the beef flavor is actually flavored with soysauce. I > even made a 'roast' to slice for sandwiches, cube up for omlettes or salads. > I can grind it up for wheatburgers. > > The book is called " how to make all the meat you eat from wheat " It has basic > recipes for different flavors and then it has a mass of recipes that cover > just about everything. > > There is nothing quite like bok choy, ground wheatburger with sauce over > rice. A very simple, easy and very quick to fix meal. > > Lisa Marie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 My grandmother's family was vegetarian when they were in Europe, I think after they came to the U.S.A they ate meat. When I went vegetarian my grandmother and aunt said to me you are one of the family, interesting that they thought this way as they had not been vegetarian for a very long time. gayle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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