Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 I'm new so i thought i'd say hi. At the moment I'm a meat-eater (don't hurt me!) but i'm here for a reason, and that reason is to find out HOW to be a vegetarian.. yeah yeah yeah, heaps of vegies, nuts, 'legumes' all that stuff... but i just want to know everything (even the really gross stuff, like if being a vego makes you sicker or get diarrhoea or anything like that), so i'll mostly spend most of my time in the sidelines watching and reading stuff, either that or asking stupid questions... I'm 19, study full-time film, work part-time (both those combined means i don't have much time or money to buy and make my oown vegetarian meals deperate from my family's meat meals), so right now i'm doing a lot of investigating, and looking for a new job that doesn't involve making grease-burgers (how hypocritical would it be to be vego, yet work at maccas?). one more question, and this may sound incredibly stupid, but i have a thing with not being able to tell what material clothes are made out of; are your traditional Dr Martins made out of leather (i assume they are) and if they are, are there vego alternatives that look just as cool? (i can't live without my Docs). And my other question (for now, i'll come up with heaps), is are 'free-range eggs really free-range, and are they still cruel? and is drinking cows milk cruel? i know they have to me milked or they get sick, but if we didn't eat their meat, and didn't drink their milk, then there wouldn't be any cows but pet cows.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 , " born_of_beltane " <mysteriousdarkness wrote: > > I'm new so i thought i'd say hi. > > At the moment I'm a meat-eater (don't hurt me!) but i'm here for a > reason, and that reason is to find out HOW to be a vegetarian.. yeah > yeah yeah, heaps of vegies, nuts, 'legumes' all that stuff... but i > just want to know everything (even the really gross stuff, like if > being a vego makes you sicker or get diarrhoea or anything like > that), so i'll mostly spend most of my time in the sidelines > watching and reading stuff, either that or asking stupid questions... > > I'm 19, study full-time film, work part-time (both those combined > means i don't have much time or money to buy and make my oown > vegetarian meals deperate from my family's meat meals), so right now > i'm doing a lot of investigating, and looking for a new job that > doesn't involve making grease-burgers (how hypocritical would it be > to be vego, yet work at maccas?). > > one more question, and this may sound incredibly stupid, but i have > a thing with not being able to tell what material clothes are made > out of; are your traditional Dr Martins made out of leather (i > assume they are) and if they are, are there vego alternatives that > look just as cool? (i can't live without my Docs). Here are a couple sites with cruelty-free clothes and footwear: http://www.veganessentials.com/ http://www.pangeaveg.com/ You'll have to tell me if they offer cool enough stuff. I'm in my early-30's and though I like to think I still know what's cool, maybe I'm kidding myself, lol. -Erin www.zenpawn.com/vegblog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 Welcome! This is a great list with lots of people to answer questions. In terms of Docs, they are mostly leather but they do make vegan ones. The trick with shoes is to look on the tag and if it says " all man-made materials " , its leather-free. Otherwise, it should specify. Check out veganshoes.com (i think! my computer is being really slow or I'd check), they have good leather-free alternatives. ~Rachael , " born_of_beltane " <mysteriousdarkness wrote: > > I'm new so i thought i'd say hi. > > At the moment I'm a meat-eater (don't hurt me!) but i'm here for a > reason, and that reason is to find out HOW to be a vegetarian.. yeah > yeah yeah, heaps of vegies, nuts, 'legumes' all that stuff... but i > just want to know everything (even the really gross stuff, like if > being a vego makes you sicker or get diarrhoea or anything like > that), so i'll mostly spend most of my time in the sidelines > watching and reading stuff, either that or asking stupid questions... > > I'm 19, study full-time film, work part-time (both those combined > means i don't have much time or money to buy and make my oown > vegetarian meals deperate from my family's meat meals), so right now > i'm doing a lot of investigating, and looking for a new job that > doesn't involve making grease-burgers (how hypocritical would it be > to be vego, yet work at maccas?). > > one more question, and this may sound incredibly stupid, but i have > a thing with not being able to tell what material clothes are made > out of; are your traditional Dr Martins made out of leather (i > assume they are) and if they are, are there vego alternatives that > look just as cool? (i can't live without my Docs). > > And my other question (for now, i'll come up with heaps), is > are 'free-range eggs really free-range, and are they still cruel? > and is drinking cows milk cruel? i know they have to me milked or > they get sick, but if we didn't eat their meat, and didn't drink > their milk, then there wouldn't be any cows but pet cows.. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 hi there! , " born_of_beltane " <mysteriousdarkness wrote: > > I'm new so i thought i'd say hi. > > At the moment I'm a meat-eater (don't hurt me!) but i'm here for a > reason, and that reason is to find out HOW to be a vegetarian.. yeah > yeah yeah, heaps of vegies, nuts, 'legumes' all that stuff... but i > just want to know everything (even the really gross stuff, like if > being a vego makes you sicker or get diarrhoea or anything like > that), so i'll mostly spend most of my time in the sidelines > watching and reading stuff, either that or asking stupid >questions... well, let's see. the way i did it was i cut out red meat, then cut out chicken, then went full vegan. i did my research and realized i couldn't live with myself knowingly contributing to the death or harm of any animal. so veganism works best for me. i wrote an article for veg news last year called " b-12 and beyond " that covers basic nutritional needs for vegans. if you want me to send you a copy of the article, let me know. you might find yourself getting some side effects from the extra fibre you'll be eating as a veg. you'll likely be eating a lot more fruits and veggies and whole grains than you're used to, and it takes some time for your body to become accustomed to it. but after a few weeks you should be fine. > I'm 19, study full-time film, work part-time (both those combined > means i don't have much time or money to buy and make my oown > vegetarian meals deperate from my family's meat meals), so right now > i'm doing a lot of investigating, and looking for a new job that > doesn't involve making grease-burgers (how hypocritical would it be > to be vego, yet work at maccas?). there are lots. where do you live? you might be able to do work with animal rescue organizations, world wildlife fund, or just work as someone's admin for a while. no burgers involved. > one more question, and this may sound incredibly stupid, but i have > a thing with not being able to tell what material clothes are made > out of; are your traditional Dr Martins made out of leather (i > assume they are) and if they are, are there vego alternatives that > look just as cool? (i can't live without my Docs). it will usually say inside the tongue or side of the shoe what it's made of. try mooshoes.com or alternativeoutfitters.com. and actually, i think doc martens actually has some vegan options. try: http://www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk/ > And my other question (for now, i'll come up with heaps), is > are 'free-range eggs really free-range, and are they still cruel? there is no fda regulation for the " free range " claim. so basically, it could mean that the chickens are still kept in squalor, but the barn door is left open (not that it matters, since the chickens are still in cages). or it could mean that they're kept well. you just don't know unless you visit the farm. also, most farms will kill the chicken for food once it stops laying eggs. > and is drinking cows milk cruel? i know they have to me milked or > they get sick, but if we didn't eat their meat, and didn't drink > their milk, then there wouldn't be any cows but pet cows.. same thing as cows; they are usually not kept well, and are killed for meat once they stop lactating. cows aren't supposed to lactate all the time like that; they are kept pregnant or their bodies are otherwise manipulated to assume pregnancy all the time in order to make this happen. if the cows are pregnant, the babies are often sold off for veal. a healthy cow will not get sick if it's not milked. hope this helps! melody http://www.flawlessfitness.com http://www.melodysmusic.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 Welcome Welcome it is ok that you are a meat eater, nobodys perfect(LOL). Well as you add more fiber to your diet your system will take a week or so to adjust. Don't be alarmed this is normal. after this adjustment period you will feel normal again. After awhile you will not be able to digest meat, I found that out the hard way. After awhile you will feel lighter and have more energy. Hope you stay with us and if you have any questions please ask. Judy H nadiana01 <nadiana1 wrote: hi there! , " born_of_beltane " <mysteriousdarkness wrote: > > I'm new so i thought i'd say hi. > > At the moment I'm a meat-eater (don't hurt me!) but i'm here for a > reason, and that reason is to find out HOW to be a vegetarian.. yeah > yeah yeah, heaps of vegies, nuts, 'legumes' all that stuff... but i > just want to know everything (even the really gross stuff, like if > being a vego makes you sicker or get diarrhoea or anything like > that), so i'll mostly spend most of my time in the sidelines > watching and reading stuff, either that or asking stupid >questions... well, let's see. the way i did it was i cut out red meat, then cut out chicken, then went full vegan. i did my research and realized i couldn't live with myself knowingly contributing to the death or harm of any animal. so veganism works best for me. i wrote an article for veg news last year called " b-12 and beyond " that covers basic nutritional needs for vegans. if you want me to send you a copy of the article, let me know. you might find yourself getting some side effects from the extra fibre you'll be eating as a veg. you'll likely be eating a lot more fruits and veggies and whole grains than you're used to, and it takes some time for your body to become accustomed to it. but after a few weeks you should be fine. > I'm 19, study full-time film, work part-time (both those combined > means i don't have much time or money to buy and make my oown > vegetarian meals deperate from my family's meat meals), so right now > i'm doing a lot of investigating, and looking for a new job that > doesn't involve making grease-burgers (how hypocritical would it be > to be vego, yet work at maccas?). there are lots. where do you live? you might be able to do work with animal rescue organizations, world wildlife fund, or just work as someone's admin for a while. no burgers involved. > one more question, and this may sound incredibly stupid, but i have > a thing with not being able to tell what material clothes are made > out of; are your traditional Dr Martins made out of leather (i > assume they are) and if they are, are there vego alternatives that > look just as cool? (i can't live without my Docs). it will usually say inside the tongue or side of the shoe what it's made of. try mooshoes.com or alternativeoutfitters.com. and actually, i think doc martens actually has some vegan options. try: http://www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk/ > And my other question (for now, i'll come up with heaps), is > are 'free-range eggs really free-range, and are they still cruel? there is no fda regulation for the " free range " claim. so basically, it could mean that the chickens are still kept in squalor, but the barn door is left open (not that it matters, since the chickens are still in cages). or it could mean that they're kept well. you just don't know unless you visit the farm. also, most farms will kill the chicken for food once it stops laying eggs. > and is drinking cows milk cruel? i know they have to me milked or > they get sick, but if we didn't eat their meat, and didn't drink > their milk, then there wouldn't be any cows but pet cows.. same thing as cows; they are usually not kept well, and are killed for meat once they stop lactating. cows aren't supposed to lactate all the time like that; they are kept pregnant or their bodies are otherwise manipulated to assume pregnancy all the time in order to make this happen. if the cows are pregnant, the babies are often sold off for veal. a healthy cow will not get sick if it's not milked. hope this helps! melody http://www.flawlessfitness.com http://www.melodysmusic.net Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 I agree about not being able to digest meat. I found that out with Thanksgiving after not eating meat for 6 months...yuck, yuck burpies. M.A. Welcome Welcome it is ok that you are a meat eater, nobodys perfect(LOL). Well as you add more fiber to your diet your system will take a week or so to adjust. Don't be alarmed this is normal. after this adjustment period you will feel normal again. After awhile you will not be able to digest meat, I found that out the hard way. After awhile you will feel lighter and have more energy. Hope you stay with us and if you have any questions please ask. Judy H nadiana01 <nadiana1 wrote: hi there! , " born_of_beltane " <mysteriousdarkness wrote: > > I'm new so i thought i'd say hi. > > At the moment I'm a meat-eater (don't hurt me!) but i'm here for a > reason, and that reason is to find out HOW to be a vegetarian.. yeah > yeah yeah, heaps of vegies, nuts, 'legumes' all that stuff... but i > just want to know everything (even the really gross stuff, like if > being a vego makes you sicker or get diarrhoea or anything like > that), so i'll mostly spend most of my time in the sidelines > watching and reading stuff, either that or asking stupid >questions... well, let's see. the way i did it was i cut out red meat, then cut out chicken, then went full vegan. i did my research and realized i couldn't live with myself knowingly contributing to the death or harm of any animal. so veganism works best for me. i wrote an article for veg news last year called " b-12 and beyond " that covers basic nutritional needs for vegans. if you want me to send you a copy of the article, let me know. you might find yourself getting some side effects from the extra fibre you'll be eating as a veg. you'll likely be eating a lot more fruits and veggies and whole grains than you're used to, and it takes some time for your body to become accustomed to it. but after a few weeks you should be fine. > I'm 19, study full-time film, work part-time (both those combined > means i don't have much time or money to buy and make my oown > vegetarian meals deperate from my family's meat meals), so right now > i'm doing a lot of investigating, and looking for a new job that > doesn't involve making grease-burgers (how hypocritical would it be > to be vego, yet work at maccas?). there are lots. where do you live? you might be able to do work with animal rescue organizations, world wildlife fund, or just work as someone's admin for a while. no burgers involved. > one more question, and this may sound incredibly stupid, but i have > a thing with not being able to tell what material clothes are made > out of; are your traditional Dr Martins made out of leather (i > assume they are) and if they are, are there vego alternatives that > look just as cool? (i can't live without my Docs). it will usually say inside the tongue or side of the shoe what it's made of. try mooshoes.com or alternativeoutfitters.com. and actually, i think doc martens actually has some vegan options. try: http://www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk/ > And my other question (for now, i'll come up with heaps), is > are 'free-range eggs really free-range, and are they still cruel? there is no fda regulation for the " free range " claim. so basically, it could mean that the chickens are still kept in squalor, but the barn door is left open (not that it matters, since the chickens are still in cages). or it could mean that they're kept well. you just don't know unless you visit the farm. also, most farms will kill the chicken for food once it stops laying eggs. > and is drinking cows milk cruel? i know they have to me milked or > they get sick, but if we didn't eat their meat, and didn't drink > their milk, then there wouldn't be any cows but pet cows.. same thing as cows; they are usually not kept well, and are killed for meat once they stop lactating. cows aren't supposed to lactate all the time like that; they are kept pregnant or their bodies are otherwise manipulated to assume pregnancy all the time in order to make this happen. if the cows are pregnant, the babies are often sold off for veal. a healthy cow will not get sick if it's not milked. hope this helps! melody http://www.flawlessfitness.com http://www.melodysmusic.net Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 >and is drinking cows milk cruel? i know they have to me milked or > they get sick, but if we didn't eat their meat, and didn't drink > their milk, then there wouldn't be any cows but pet cows.. Hi and welcome to the group. To be a vegetarian successfully, you need to think like a vegetarian. Meat eaters view animals as servants to humans- we eat them, wear them, work them or have them around as pets. I am vegan and an animal rights activist- we view animals differently and perhaps this perspective can help you on your path to vegetarianism- animals exist. They don't need to serve a purpose other than just being. They don't need to be pets, they don't need to be our prey. A cow can roam and graze and live and that's valuable and important. Their life is just as important as a human's life. I see you have a few questions about animal cruelty- you can find out loads by going to www.peta.com. It's a very educational and enlightening site. They have lots of information about food, clothes, shoes, etc. You can find lists of brands and their websites where you can buy cool shoes and clothes that are vegan as well as household products, makeup, and personal items that are animal friendly. You can watch videos and read articles about animal testing, rights and welfare. As for the shoes, when shopping, look at the inside of the shoe there is usually info stamped either on the tongue or somewhere inside that will say whether it's leather or if it's not it will say " man-made materials " . Keep an eye out for anything that says Rkt (that's rubberize Kangaroo technology- yes Adidas uses Kangaroos to make sneakers). Ok well I hope this was helpful. And good luck to you. born_of_beltane <mysteriousdarkness wrote: I'm new so i thought i'd say hi. At the moment I'm a meat-eater (don't hurt me!) but i'm here for a reason, and that reason is to find out HOW to be a vegetarian.. yeah yeah yeah, heaps of vegies, nuts, 'legumes' all that stuff... but i just want to know everything (even the really gross stuff, like if being a vego makes you sicker or get diarrhoea or anything like that), so i'll mostly spend most of my time in the sidelines watching and reading stuff, either that or asking stupid questions... I'm 19, study full-time film, work part-time (both those combined means i don't have much time or money to buy and make my oown vegetarian meals deperate from my family's meat meals), so right now i'm doing a lot of investigating, and looking for a new job that doesn't involve making grease-burgers (how hypocritical would it be to be vego, yet work at maccas?). one more question, and this may sound incredibly stupid, but i have a thing with not being able to tell what material clothes are made out of; are your traditional Dr Martins made out of leather (i assume they are) and if they are, are there vego alternatives that look just as cool? (i can't live without my Docs). And my other question (for now, i'll come up with heaps), is are 'free-range eggs really free-range, and are they still cruel? and is drinking cows milk cruel? i know they have to me milked or they get sick, but if we didn't eat their meat, and didn't drink their milk, then there wouldn't be any cows but pet cows.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Well, the ways in which the milk cow is raised and treated during their productive time is appalling. It is something that you need to research on your own. A cow has to have a calf in order to make milk. Have you ever wondered what happens to the male calves? They become Veal and after having lived a terrible life. When the milk production of a particular cow declines she is turned into that hamburger you eat. Anyway, do the research and I think you will end up agreeing that drinking the milk from a factory farmed dairy cow is not something you want to do. Pet cows? How about cows that just get to live their own lives and not be a commodity for us. You can live without it in this day and age, you can live without cheese and other dairy products too. Then you won't have to worry about being part of an abusive situation. linda > >and is drinking cows milk cruel? i know they have to me milked or > > they get sick, but if we didn't eat their meat, and didn't drink > > their milk, then there wouldn't be any cows but pet cows.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Thankyou to all who spent their time replying and looking up sites for me!! Cheers! Btw: about the cow thing, yes i realise cows are as important as any other life (hence the whole 'trying to be vegetarian thing'), but most of humanity doesn't, so there's always going to be pet cows. I like cows, they're adorable... Thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 I agree with you, besides some of us are highly ellergic to dairy anyway. There are tasty alternatives out there, with most of the same nutriens. There's no reason to fuel the economy of farmers that treat their live stock so badly. Judy H linda clark <lclark947 wrote: Well, the ways in which the milk cow is raised and treated during their productive time is appalling. It is something that you need to research on your own. A cow has to have a calf in order to make milk. Have you ever wondered what happens to the male calves? They become Veal and after having lived a terrible life. When the milk production of a particular cow declines she is turned into that hamburger you eat. Anyway, do the research and I think you will end up agreeing that drinking the milk from a factory farmed dairy cow is not something you want to do. Pet cows? How about cows that just get to live their own lives and not be a commodity for us. You can live without it in this day and age, you can live without cheese and other dairy products too. Then you won't have to worry about being part of an abusive situation. linda > >and is drinking cows milk cruel? i know they have to me milked or > > they get sick, but if we didn't eat their meat, and didn't drink > > their milk, then there wouldn't be any cows but pet cows.. Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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