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My doctor, an M.D. and a homeopath had recommended a couple of years ago

that I not get the flu shot and instead recommended that I take Boiron's

Oscillococcinum weekly, just six a week as a preventative. For whatever

reason I thought that all homeopathic remedies were animal product free and

by-product free. Today I was reading at the bookstore, I think Vegetarian

Times and discovered that Oscillococcium is made from the liver and heart of

the Muscovy Duck...they have to kill it to get the liver and heart of

course. So tonight I checked it out on the net and indeed it is true. I

was horrified and disgusted and thought I would pass this information on.

You can look it up on the net too. Notice that the active ingredient is the

Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200 CK HPUS which is the liver

and heart of the duck. Needless to say I won't be taking it any more and I

will be checking out how each homeopathic remedy that I take to see what the

ingredients are and how it is made. Shoot!

 

The Boiron site is: http://www.boironusa.com/index.pl/prod/sp?id=20649

Active ingredient Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extrectum

 

http://www.drugstore.com/qxp31289_333181_sespider/boiron/oscillococcinum_natural\

_flu_relief_single_dosage_tubes.htm

Active Ingredients: Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200 CK HPUS

 

http://www.ritecare.com/homeopathic/guide_oscillococcinum.asp

Oscillococcinum by Boiron (Oscillo)

Active Ingredients:Anas barbariae hepatis et cordis extractum 200CK

Homeopathic preparation of liver and heart of the Muscovy Duck (Anas

barbariae), diluted 200 times according to the methods described in the

Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States.

 

http://www.homeoinfo.com/06_materia_medica/other/oscillococcinum.php

Oscillococcinum is a 200c potency of an autolysate of Barbary duck heart and

liver.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillococcinum

Active: Anas Barbariae Hepatis et Cordis Extractum HPUS 200CK (extract of

the liver and heart of wild duck, diluted by a factor of ten to the 200th

power.)

 

linda

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We've started taking grapeseed extract to prevent sickness. I got some from the

breeder of two of my pet rats, and after doing some reading I now give it to all

my rodents and us as well. It helps boost the immune system.

 

 

 

linda clark <lclark947 wrote: My

doctor, an M.D. and a homeopath had recommended a couple of years ago

that I not get the flu shot and instead recommended that I take Boiron's

Oscillococcinum weekly, just six a week as a preventative. For whatever

reason I thought that all homeopathic remedies were animal product free and

by-product free. Today I was reading at the bookstore, I think Vegetarian

Times and discovered that Oscillococcium is made from the liver and heart of

the Muscovy Duck...they have to kill it to get the liver and heart of

course. So tonight I checked it out on the net and indeed it is true. I

was horrified and disgusted and thought I would pass this information on.

You can look it up on the net too. Notice that the active ingredient is the

Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200 CK HPUS which is the liver

and heart of the duck. Needless to say I won't be taking it any more and I

will be checking out how each homeopathic remedy that I take to see what the

ingredients are and how it is made. Shoot!

 

The Boiron site is: http://www.boironusa.com/index.pl/prod/sp?id=20649

Active ingredient Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extrectum

 

 

http://www.drugstore.com/qxp31289_333181_sespider/boiron/oscillococcinum_natural\

_flu_relief_single_dosage_tubes.htm

Active Ingredients: Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200 CK HPUS

 

http://www.ritecare.com/homeopathic/guide_oscillococcinum.asp

Oscillococcinum by Boiron (Oscillo)

Active Ingredients:Anas barbariae hepatis et cordis extractum 200CK

Homeopathic preparation of liver and heart of the Muscovy Duck (Anas

barbariae), diluted 200 times according to the methods described in the

Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States.

 

http://www.homeoinfo.com/06_materia_medica/other/oscillococcinum.php

Oscillococcinum is a 200c potency of an autolysate of Barbary duck heart and

liver.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillococcinum

Active: Anas Barbariae Hepatis et Cordis Extractum HPUS 200CK (extract of

the liver and heart of wild duck, diluted by a factor of ten to the 200th

power.)

 

linda

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I, luckily, found this out right before sending my SO out to buy it.. However, I

was not so lucky when I bought the alternative, Healthy Relief Flu Reduce, which

happens to be made out of the same main ingredient (of course, unbeknowst to be

until after I had taken it several times and THEN bothered to look...). Just

another warning for everyone!

 

Cheryl

 

 

 

 

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Thanks for the heads-up! That really stinks that your doctor didn't

warn you! I feel for veggies, we have to work harder than anybody

sometimes, but the rewards are worth it.

 

 

, " linda clark "

<lclark947 wrote:

>

> My doctor, an M.D. and a homeopath had recommended a couple of

years ago

> that I not get the flu shot and instead recommended that I take

Boiron's

> Oscillococcinum weekly, just six a week as a preventative. For

whatever

> reason I thought that all homeopathic remedies were animal product

free and

> by-product free. Today I was reading at the bookstore, I think

Vegetarian

> Times and discovered that Oscillococcium is made from the liver and

heart of

> the Muscovy Duck...they have to kill it to get the liver and heart

of

> course. So tonight I checked it out on the net and indeed it is

true. I

> was horrified and disgusted and thought I would pass this

information on.

> You can look it up on the net too. Notice that the active

ingredient is the

> Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200 CK HPUS which is the

liver

> and heart of the duck. Needless to say I won't be taking it any

more and I

> will be checking out how each homeopathic remedy that I take to see

what the

> ingredients are and how it is made. Shoot!

>

> The Boiron site is: http://www.boironusa.com/index.pl/prod/sp?

id=20649

> Active ingredient Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extrectum

>

>

http://www.drugstore.com/qxp31289_333181_sespider/boiron/oscillococcin

um_natural_flu_relief_single_dosage_tubes.htm

> Active Ingredients: Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200

CK HPUS

>

> http://www.ritecare.com/homeopathic/guide_oscillococcinum.asp

> Oscillococcinum by Boiron (Oscillo)

> Active Ingredients:Anas barbariae hepatis et cordis extractum 200CK

> Homeopathic preparation of liver and heart of the Muscovy Duck (Anas

> barbariae), diluted 200 times according to the methods described in

the

> Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States.

>

> http://www.homeoinfo.com/06_materia_medica/other/oscillococcinum.php

> Oscillococcinum is a 200c potency of an autolysate of Barbary duck

heart and

> liver.

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillococcinum

> Active: Anas Barbariae Hepatis et Cordis Extractum HPUS 200CK

(extract of

> the liver and heart of wild duck, diluted by a factor of ten to the

200th

> power.)

>

> linda

>

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Again thanks for the warning! Would have researched this, but I'm

glad to have this information so easily!

, Cheryl <c_huxford

wrote:

>

> I, luckily, found this out right before sending my SO out to buy

it.. However, I was not so lucky when I bought the alternative,

Healthy Relief Flu Reduce, which happens to be made out of the same

main ingredient (of course, unbeknowst to be until after I had taken

it several times and THEN bothered to look...). Just another warning

for everyone!

>

> Cheryl

>

>

>

>

> Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.

>

>

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Pycnoginal speaking :) Thanks for the reminder! I still swear by

echinacea taken daily and if I get something echinacea with

goldenseal...you can get it in veggie capsules almost everywhere

these days... , Kadee M

<abbey_road3012 wrote:

>

> We've started taking grapeseed extract to prevent sickness. I got

some from the breeder of two of my pet rats, and after doing some

reading I now give it to all my rodents and us as well. It helps

boost the immune system.

>

>

>

> linda clark <lclark947 wrote:

My doctor, an M.D. and a homeopath had recommended a couple of years

ago

> that I not get the flu shot and instead recommended that I take

Boiron's

> Oscillococcinum weekly, just six a week as a preventative. For

whatever

> reason I thought that all homeopathic remedies were animal product

free and

> by-product free. Today I was reading at the bookstore, I think

Vegetarian

> Times and discovered that Oscillococcium is made from the liver

and heart of

> the Muscovy Duck...they have to kill it to get the liver and heart

of

> course. So tonight I checked it out on the net and indeed it is

true. I

> was horrified and disgusted and thought I would pass this

information on.

> You can look it up on the net too. Notice that the active

ingredient is the

> Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200 CK HPUS which is

the liver

> and heart of the duck. Needless to say I won't be taking it any

more and I

> will be checking out how each homeopathic remedy that I take to

see what the

> ingredients are and how it is made. Shoot!

>

> The Boiron site is: http://www.boironusa.com/index.pl/prod/sp?

id=20649

> Active ingredient Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extrectum

>

>

http://www.drugstore.com/qxp31289_333181_sespider/boiron/oscillococcin

um_natural_flu_relief_single_dosage_tubes.htm

> Active Ingredients: Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200

CK HPUS

>

> http://www.ritecare.com/homeopathic/guide_oscillococcinum.asp

> Oscillococcinum by Boiron (Oscillo)

> Active Ingredients:Anas barbariae hepatis et cordis extractum 200CK

> Homeopathic preparation of liver and heart of the Muscovy Duck

(Anas

> barbariae), diluted 200 times according to the methods described

in the

> Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States.

>

>

http://www.homeoinfo.com/06_materia_medica/other/oscillococcinum.php

> Oscillococcinum is a 200c potency of an autolysate of Barbary duck

heart and

> liver.

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillococcinum

> Active: Anas Barbariae Hepatis et Cordis Extractum HPUS 200CK

(extract of

> the liver and heart of wild duck, diluted by a factor of ten to

the 200th

> power.)

>

> linda

Kadee Sedtal

>

> Build a man a fire and he'll stay warm for a day. Set a man on fire

and he'll stay warm the rest of his life.

>

> Check out my new Classical 2 at

http://launch.classical2/

 

> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta.

>

>

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, " linda clark "

<lclark947 wrote:

>

> My doctor, an M.D. and a homeopath had recommended a couple of

years ago

> that I not get the flu shot and instead recommended that I take

Boiron's

> Oscillococcinum weekly, just six a week as a preventative. For

whatever

> reason I thought that all homeopathic remedies were animal product

free and

> by-product free. Today I was reading at the bookstore, I think

Vegetarian

> Times and discovered that Oscillococcium is made from the liver and

heart of

> the Muscovy Duck...they have to kill it to get the liver and heart

of

> course. So tonight I checked it out on the net and indeed it is

true. I

> was horrified and disgusted and thought I would pass this

information on.

> You can look it up on the net too. Notice that the active

ingredient is the

> Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200 CK HPUS which is the

liver

> and heart of the duck. Needless to say I won't be taking it any

more and I

> will be checking out how each homeopathic remedy that I take to see

what the

> ingredients are and how it is made. Shoot!

>

> The Boiron site is: http://www.boironusa.com/index.pl/prod/sp?

id=20649

> Active ingredient Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extrectum

>

>

http://www.drugstore.com/qxp31289_333181_sespider/boiron/oscillococcin

um_natural_flu_relief_single_dosage_tubes.htm

> Active Ingredients: Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200

CK HPUS

>

> http://www.ritecare.com/homeopathic/guide_oscillococcinum.asp

> Oscillococcinum by Boiron (Oscillo)

> Active Ingredients:Anas barbariae hepatis et cordis extractum 200CK

> Homeopathic preparation of liver and heart of the Muscovy Duck (Anas

> barbariae), diluted 200 times according to the methods described in

the

> Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States.

>

> http://www.homeoinfo.com/06_materia_medica/other/oscillococcinum.php

> Oscillococcinum is a 200c potency of an autolysate of Barbary duck

heart and

> liver.

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillococcinum

> Active: Anas Barbariae Hepatis et Cordis Extractum HPUS 200CK

(extract of

> the liver and heart of wild duck, diluted by a factor of ten to the

200th

> power.)

>

> linda

>

I ama really glad I read this. Thanks gang!

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But when we talk about bacteria and viruses we're really talking about members

of the animal kingdom. The flu shot, too, is grown from the chicken egg that's

why we're asked first if we're allergic to chicken before they give us the flu

shot.

 

Victor

 

 

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I don't see a connection with what you are saying below. The Moscovy duck is

grown for this purpose, killed for its heart and liver. Therefore

Oscilloccinum is not vegetarian. If you are a vegan you may chose not to do

the flu shot and if you are a vegetarian then no problem. Most of us already

knew the serum in the flu shot is incubated in the egg. There is a really

big difference.

linda

 

-

" Victor Reyes " <vreyes284082mi

 

 

> But when we talk about bacteria and viruses we're really talking about

members of the animal kingdom. The flu shot, too, is grown from the chicken

egg that's why we're asked first if we're allergic to chicken before they

give us the flu shot.

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What I'm really saying here, Linda, is that we're inundated with

animal products and as a recent convert to vegetarianism, it's not

easy, even for your doctor. I hope to eventually become a vegan,

explaining my mindframe.

 

Victor

 

, " linda clark "

<lclark947 wrote:

>

> I don't see a connection with what you are saying below. The

Moscovy duck is

> grown for this purpose, killed for its heart and liver. Therefore

> Oscilloccinum is not vegetarian. If you are a vegan you may chose

not to do

> the flu shot and if you are a vegetarian then no problem. Most of

us already

> knew the serum in the flu shot is incubated in the egg. There is a

really

> big difference.

> linda

>

> -

> " Victor Reyes " <vreyes284082mi

>

>

> > But when we talk about bacteria and viruses we're really talking

about

> members of the animal kingdom. The flu shot, too, is grown from

the chicken

> egg that's why we're asked first if we're allergic to chicken

before they

> give us the flu shot.

>

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Hi Linda,

You sound a little put-out by V's inquiry.

Personally, I didn't know about the flu vaccine and chicken egg

connection. And although I agree there's a difference between

sacrificing a chicken egg and sacrificing a Moscovy duck, there may be

others who don't make that moral distinction.

Victor, keep on asking those questions!

 

 

 

, " linda clark "

<lclark947 wrote:

>

> I don't see a connection with what you are saying below. The Moscovy

duck is

> grown for this purpose, killed for its heart and liver. Therefore

> Oscilloccinum is not vegetarian. If you are a vegan you may chose

not to do

> the flu shot and if you are a vegetarian then no problem. Most of us

already

> knew the serum in the flu shot is incubated in the egg. There is a

really

> big difference.

> linda

>

> -

> " Victor Reyes " <vreyes284082mi

>

>

> > But when we talk about bacteria and viruses we're really talking about

> members of the animal kingdom. The flu shot, too, is grown from the

chicken

> egg that's why we're asked first if we're allergic to chicken before

they

> give us the flu shot.

>

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Just to clarify bacteria and viruses are not members of the animal

kingdom. Bacteria are from the Kingdom Monera and viruses are bits of

genetic material that rely on hosts so they are not usually

classified.

 

Whitney

 

> > -

> > " Victor Reyes " <vreyes284082mi@>

> >

> >

> > > But when we talk about bacteria and viruses we're really talking

about

> > members of the animal kingdom. The flu shot, too, is grown from

the

> chicken

> > egg that's why we're asked first if we're allergic to chicken

before

> they

> > give us the flu shot.

> >

>

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Thanks, Julia, for the encouragement, but it's quite alright. I may

not have been clear enough about my posting earlier.

 

Victor

 

, " Julia " <julia123xyz

wrote:

>

> Hi Linda,

> You sound a little put-out by V's inquiry.

> Personally, I didn't know about the flu vaccine and chicken egg

> connection. And although I agree there's a difference between

> sacrificing a chicken egg and sacrificing a Moscovy duck, there

may be

> others who don't make that moral distinction.

> Victor, keep on asking those questions!

>

>

>

> , " linda clark "

> <lclark947@> wrote:

> >

> > I don't see a connection with what you are saying below. The

Moscovy

> duck is

> > grown for this purpose, killed for its heart and liver. Therefore

> > Oscilloccinum is not vegetarian. If you are a vegan you may chose

> not to do

> > the flu shot and if you are a vegetarian then no problem. Most

of us

> already

> > knew the serum in the flu shot is incubated in the egg. There is

a

> really

> > big difference.

> > linda

> >

> > -

> > " Victor Reyes " <vreyes284082mi@>

> >

> >

> > > But when we talk about bacteria and viruses we're really

talking about

> > members of the animal kingdom. The flu shot, too, is grown from

the

> chicken

> > egg that's why we're asked first if we're allergic to chicken

before

> they

> > give us the flu shot.

> >

>

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Thanks for the correction, Whitney. My stock knowledge is quite

old. If it's not asking too much, could you kindly cite your

reference? Thanks.

 

Victor

 

, " starrypryncess "

<starrypryncess wrote:

>

> Just to clarify bacteria and viruses are not members of the animal

> kingdom. Bacteria are from the Kingdom Monera and viruses are bits

of

> genetic material that rely on hosts so they are not usually

> classified.

>

> Whitney

>

> > > -

> > > " Victor Reyes " <vreyes284082mi@>

> > >

> > >

> > > > But when we talk about bacteria and viruses we're really

talking

> about

> > > members of the animal kingdom. The flu shot, too, is grown

from

> the

> > chicken

> > > egg that's why we're asked first if we're allergic to chicken

> before

> > they

> > > give us the flu shot.

> > >

> >

>

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I don't remember which websites I originally looked at... I just did

a google search for bacteria and virus scientific classification.

 

This table is from http://anthro.palomar.edu/animal/animal_3.htm:

 

Kingdom- Types of Organisms

Monera - bacteria, blue-green algae, and spirochetes

Protista- protozoans and algae of various types

Fungi- funguses, molds, mushrooms, yeasts, mildews, and smuts

Plantae- (plants) mosses, ferns, woody and non-woody flowering

plants

Animalia- (animals) sponges, worms, insects, fish, amphibians,

reptiles, birds, and mammals

 

 

From wikipedia:

Virus classification involves naming and placing viruses into a

taxonomic system. Like the relatively consistent classification

systems seen for cellular organisms, virus classification is the

subject of ongoing debate and proposals. This is largely due to the

pseudo-living nature of viruses, which are not yet definitively

living or non-living. As such, they do not fit neatly into the

established biological classification system in place for cellular

organisms, such as plants and animals, for several reasons.

 

Virus classification is based mainly on phenotypic characteristics,

including morphology, nucleic acid type, mode of replication, host

organisms, and the type of disease they cause. A combination of two

main schemes is currently in widespread use for the classification

of viruses. David Baltimore, a Nobel Prize-winning biologist,

devised the Baltimore classification system, which places viruses

into one of seven groups. These groups are designated by Roman

numerals and separate viruses based on their mode of replication,

and genome type. Accompanying this broad method of classification

are specific naming conventions and further classification

guidelines set out by the International Committee on Taxonomy of

Viruses.

 

Whitney

 

 

 

 

, " spike48323 "

<vreyes284082mi wrote:

>

> Thanks for the correction, Whitney. My stock knowledge is quite

> old. If it's not asking too much, could you kindly cite your

> reference? Thanks.

>

> Victor

>

> , " starrypryncess "

> <starrypryncess@> wrote:

> >

> > Just to clarify bacteria and viruses are not members of the

animal

> > kingdom. Bacteria are from the Kingdom Monera and viruses are

bits

> of

> > genetic material that rely on hosts so they are not usually

> > classified.

> >

> > Whitney

> >

> > > > -

> > > > " Victor Reyes " <vreyes284082mi@>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > But when we talk about bacteria and viruses we're really

> talking

> > about

> > > > members of the animal kingdom. The flu shot, too, is grown

> from

> > the

> > > chicken

> > > > egg that's why we're asked first if we're allergic to

chicken

> > before

> > > they

> > > > give us the flu shot.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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