Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 My doctor, an M.D. and a homeopath had recommended a couple of years ago that I not get the flu shot and instead recommended that I take Boiron's Oscillococcinum weekly, just six a week as a preventative. For whatever reason I thought that all homeopathic remedies were animal product free and by-product free. Today I was reading at the bookstore, I think Vegetarian Times and discovered that Oscillococcium is made from the liver and heart of the Muscovy Duck...they have to kill it to get the liver and heart of course. So tonight I checked it out on the net and indeed it is true. I was horrified and disgusted and thought I would pass this information on. You can look it up on the net too. Notice that the active ingredient is the Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200 CK HPUS which is the liver and heart of the duck. Needless to say I won't be taking it any more and I will be checking out how each homeopathic remedy that I take to see what the ingredients are and how it is made. Shoot! The Boiron site is: http://www.boironusa.com/index.pl/prod/sp?id=20649 Active ingredient Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extrectum http://www.drugstore.com/qxp31289_333181_sespider/boiron/oscillococcinum_natural\ _flu_relief_single_dosage_tubes.htm Active Ingredients: Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200 CK HPUS http://www.ritecare.com/homeopathic/guide_oscillococcinum.asp Oscillococcinum by Boiron (Oscillo) Active Ingredients:Anas barbariae hepatis et cordis extractum 200CK Homeopathic preparation of liver and heart of the Muscovy Duck (Anas barbariae), diluted 200 times according to the methods described in the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States. http://www.homeoinfo.com/06_materia_medica/other/oscillococcinum.php Oscillococcinum is a 200c potency of an autolysate of Barbary duck heart and liver. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillococcinum Active: Anas Barbariae Hepatis et Cordis Extractum HPUS 200CK (extract of the liver and heart of wild duck, diluted by a factor of ten to the 200th power.) linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 We've started taking grapeseed extract to prevent sickness. I got some from the breeder of two of my pet rats, and after doing some reading I now give it to all my rodents and us as well. It helps boost the immune system. linda clark <lclark947 wrote: My doctor, an M.D. and a homeopath had recommended a couple of years ago that I not get the flu shot and instead recommended that I take Boiron's Oscillococcinum weekly, just six a week as a preventative. For whatever reason I thought that all homeopathic remedies were animal product free and by-product free. Today I was reading at the bookstore, I think Vegetarian Times and discovered that Oscillococcium is made from the liver and heart of the Muscovy Duck...they have to kill it to get the liver and heart of course. So tonight I checked it out on the net and indeed it is true. I was horrified and disgusted and thought I would pass this information on. You can look it up on the net too. Notice that the active ingredient is the Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200 CK HPUS which is the liver and heart of the duck. Needless to say I won't be taking it any more and I will be checking out how each homeopathic remedy that I take to see what the ingredients are and how it is made. Shoot! The Boiron site is: http://www.boironusa.com/index.pl/prod/sp?id=20649 Active ingredient Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extrectum http://www.drugstore.com/qxp31289_333181_sespider/boiron/oscillococcinum_natural\ _flu_relief_single_dosage_tubes.htm Active Ingredients: Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200 CK HPUS http://www.ritecare.com/homeopathic/guide_oscillococcinum.asp Oscillococcinum by Boiron (Oscillo) Active Ingredients:Anas barbariae hepatis et cordis extractum 200CK Homeopathic preparation of liver and heart of the Muscovy Duck (Anas barbariae), diluted 200 times according to the methods described in the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States. http://www.homeoinfo.com/06_materia_medica/other/oscillococcinum.php Oscillococcinum is a 200c potency of an autolysate of Barbary duck heart and liver. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillococcinum Active: Anas Barbariae Hepatis et Cordis Extractum HPUS 200CK (extract of the liver and heart of wild duck, diluted by a factor of ten to the 200th power.) linda Kadee Sedtal Build a man a fire and he'll stay warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll stay warm the rest of his life. Check out my new Classical 2 at http://launch.classical2/ Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 I, luckily, found this out right before sending my SO out to buy it.. However, I was not so lucky when I bought the alternative, Healthy Relief Flu Reduce, which happens to be made out of the same main ingredient (of course, unbeknowst to be until after I had taken it several times and THEN bothered to look...). Just another warning for everyone! Cheryl Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 Thanks for the heads-up! That really stinks that your doctor didn't warn you! I feel for veggies, we have to work harder than anybody sometimes, but the rewards are worth it. , " linda clark " <lclark947 wrote: > > My doctor, an M.D. and a homeopath had recommended a couple of years ago > that I not get the flu shot and instead recommended that I take Boiron's > Oscillococcinum weekly, just six a week as a preventative. For whatever > reason I thought that all homeopathic remedies were animal product free and > by-product free. Today I was reading at the bookstore, I think Vegetarian > Times and discovered that Oscillococcium is made from the liver and heart of > the Muscovy Duck...they have to kill it to get the liver and heart of > course. So tonight I checked it out on the net and indeed it is true. I > was horrified and disgusted and thought I would pass this information on. > You can look it up on the net too. Notice that the active ingredient is the > Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200 CK HPUS which is the liver > and heart of the duck. Needless to say I won't be taking it any more and I > will be checking out how each homeopathic remedy that I take to see what the > ingredients are and how it is made. Shoot! > > The Boiron site is: http://www.boironusa.com/index.pl/prod/sp? id=20649 > Active ingredient Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extrectum > > http://www.drugstore.com/qxp31289_333181_sespider/boiron/oscillococcin um_natural_flu_relief_single_dosage_tubes.htm > Active Ingredients: Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200 CK HPUS > > http://www.ritecare.com/homeopathic/guide_oscillococcinum.asp > Oscillococcinum by Boiron (Oscillo) > Active Ingredients:Anas barbariae hepatis et cordis extractum 200CK > Homeopathic preparation of liver and heart of the Muscovy Duck (Anas > barbariae), diluted 200 times according to the methods described in the > Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States. > > http://www.homeoinfo.com/06_materia_medica/other/oscillococcinum.php > Oscillococcinum is a 200c potency of an autolysate of Barbary duck heart and > liver. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillococcinum > Active: Anas Barbariae Hepatis et Cordis Extractum HPUS 200CK (extract of > the liver and heart of wild duck, diluted by a factor of ten to the 200th > power.) > > linda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 Again thanks for the warning! Would have researched this, but I'm glad to have this information so easily! , Cheryl <c_huxford wrote: > > I, luckily, found this out right before sending my SO out to buy it.. However, I was not so lucky when I bought the alternative, Healthy Relief Flu Reduce, which happens to be made out of the same main ingredient (of course, unbeknowst to be until after I had taken it several times and THEN bothered to look...). Just another warning for everyone! > > Cheryl > > > > > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 Pycnoginal speaking Thanks for the reminder! I still swear by echinacea taken daily and if I get something echinacea with goldenseal...you can get it in veggie capsules almost everywhere these days... , Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > We've started taking grapeseed extract to prevent sickness. I got some from the breeder of two of my pet rats, and after doing some reading I now give it to all my rodents and us as well. It helps boost the immune system. > > > > linda clark <lclark947 wrote: My doctor, an M.D. and a homeopath had recommended a couple of years ago > that I not get the flu shot and instead recommended that I take Boiron's > Oscillococcinum weekly, just six a week as a preventative. For whatever > reason I thought that all homeopathic remedies were animal product free and > by-product free. Today I was reading at the bookstore, I think Vegetarian > Times and discovered that Oscillococcium is made from the liver and heart of > the Muscovy Duck...they have to kill it to get the liver and heart of > course. So tonight I checked it out on the net and indeed it is true. I > was horrified and disgusted and thought I would pass this information on. > You can look it up on the net too. Notice that the active ingredient is the > Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200 CK HPUS which is the liver > and heart of the duck. Needless to say I won't be taking it any more and I > will be checking out how each homeopathic remedy that I take to see what the > ingredients are and how it is made. Shoot! > > The Boiron site is: http://www.boironusa.com/index.pl/prod/sp? id=20649 > Active ingredient Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extrectum > > http://www.drugstore.com/qxp31289_333181_sespider/boiron/oscillococcin um_natural_flu_relief_single_dosage_tubes.htm > Active Ingredients: Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200 CK HPUS > > http://www.ritecare.com/homeopathic/guide_oscillococcinum.asp > Oscillococcinum by Boiron (Oscillo) > Active Ingredients:Anas barbariae hepatis et cordis extractum 200CK > Homeopathic preparation of liver and heart of the Muscovy Duck (Anas > barbariae), diluted 200 times according to the methods described in the > Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States. > > http://www.homeoinfo.com/06_materia_medica/other/oscillococcinum.php > Oscillococcinum is a 200c potency of an autolysate of Barbary duck heart and > liver. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillococcinum > Active: Anas Barbariae Hepatis et Cordis Extractum HPUS 200CK (extract of > the liver and heart of wild duck, diluted by a factor of ten to the 200th > power.) > > linda Kadee Sedtal > > Build a man a fire and he'll stay warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll stay warm the rest of his life. > > Check out my new Classical 2 at http://launch.classical2/ > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 , " linda clark " <lclark947 wrote: > > My doctor, an M.D. and a homeopath had recommended a couple of years ago > that I not get the flu shot and instead recommended that I take Boiron's > Oscillococcinum weekly, just six a week as a preventative. For whatever > reason I thought that all homeopathic remedies were animal product free and > by-product free. Today I was reading at the bookstore, I think Vegetarian > Times and discovered that Oscillococcium is made from the liver and heart of > the Muscovy Duck...they have to kill it to get the liver and heart of > course. So tonight I checked it out on the net and indeed it is true. I > was horrified and disgusted and thought I would pass this information on. > You can look it up on the net too. Notice that the active ingredient is the > Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200 CK HPUS which is the liver > and heart of the duck. Needless to say I won't be taking it any more and I > will be checking out how each homeopathic remedy that I take to see what the > ingredients are and how it is made. Shoot! > > The Boiron site is: http://www.boironusa.com/index.pl/prod/sp? id=20649 > Active ingredient Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extrectum > > http://www.drugstore.com/qxp31289_333181_sespider/boiron/oscillococcin um_natural_flu_relief_single_dosage_tubes.htm > Active Ingredients: Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum 200 CK HPUS > > http://www.ritecare.com/homeopathic/guide_oscillococcinum.asp > Oscillococcinum by Boiron (Oscillo) > Active Ingredients:Anas barbariae hepatis et cordis extractum 200CK > Homeopathic preparation of liver and heart of the Muscovy Duck (Anas > barbariae), diluted 200 times according to the methods described in the > Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States. > > http://www.homeoinfo.com/06_materia_medica/other/oscillococcinum.php > Oscillococcinum is a 200c potency of an autolysate of Barbary duck heart and > liver. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillococcinum > Active: Anas Barbariae Hepatis et Cordis Extractum HPUS 200CK (extract of > the liver and heart of wild duck, diluted by a factor of ten to the 200th > power.) > > linda > I ama really glad I read this. Thanks gang! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 But when we talk about bacteria and viruses we're really talking about members of the animal kingdom. The flu shot, too, is grown from the chicken egg that's why we're asked first if we're allergic to chicken before they give us the flu shot. Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 I don't see a connection with what you are saying below. The Moscovy duck is grown for this purpose, killed for its heart and liver. Therefore Oscilloccinum is not vegetarian. If you are a vegan you may chose not to do the flu shot and if you are a vegetarian then no problem. Most of us already knew the serum in the flu shot is incubated in the egg. There is a really big difference. linda - " Victor Reyes " <vreyes284082mi > But when we talk about bacteria and viruses we're really talking about members of the animal kingdom. The flu shot, too, is grown from the chicken egg that's why we're asked first if we're allergic to chicken before they give us the flu shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 What I'm really saying here, Linda, is that we're inundated with animal products and as a recent convert to vegetarianism, it's not easy, even for your doctor. I hope to eventually become a vegan, explaining my mindframe. Victor , " linda clark " <lclark947 wrote: > > I don't see a connection with what you are saying below. The Moscovy duck is > grown for this purpose, killed for its heart and liver. Therefore > Oscilloccinum is not vegetarian. If you are a vegan you may chose not to do > the flu shot and if you are a vegetarian then no problem. Most of us already > knew the serum in the flu shot is incubated in the egg. There is a really > big difference. > linda > > - > " Victor Reyes " <vreyes284082mi > > > > But when we talk about bacteria and viruses we're really talking about > members of the animal kingdom. The flu shot, too, is grown from the chicken > egg that's why we're asked first if we're allergic to chicken before they > give us the flu shot. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Hi Linda, You sound a little put-out by V's inquiry. Personally, I didn't know about the flu vaccine and chicken egg connection. And although I agree there's a difference between sacrificing a chicken egg and sacrificing a Moscovy duck, there may be others who don't make that moral distinction. Victor, keep on asking those questions! , " linda clark " <lclark947 wrote: > > I don't see a connection with what you are saying below. The Moscovy duck is > grown for this purpose, killed for its heart and liver. Therefore > Oscilloccinum is not vegetarian. If you are a vegan you may chose not to do > the flu shot and if you are a vegetarian then no problem. Most of us already > knew the serum in the flu shot is incubated in the egg. There is a really > big difference. > linda > > - > " Victor Reyes " <vreyes284082mi > > > > But when we talk about bacteria and viruses we're really talking about > members of the animal kingdom. The flu shot, too, is grown from the chicken > egg that's why we're asked first if we're allergic to chicken before they > give us the flu shot. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Just to clarify bacteria and viruses are not members of the animal kingdom. Bacteria are from the Kingdom Monera and viruses are bits of genetic material that rely on hosts so they are not usually classified. Whitney > > - > > " Victor Reyes " <vreyes284082mi@> > > > > > > > But when we talk about bacteria and viruses we're really talking about > > members of the animal kingdom. The flu shot, too, is grown from the > chicken > > egg that's why we're asked first if we're allergic to chicken before > they > > give us the flu shot. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 Thanks, Julia, for the encouragement, but it's quite alright. I may not have been clear enough about my posting earlier. Victor , " Julia " <julia123xyz wrote: > > Hi Linda, > You sound a little put-out by V's inquiry. > Personally, I didn't know about the flu vaccine and chicken egg > connection. And although I agree there's a difference between > sacrificing a chicken egg and sacrificing a Moscovy duck, there may be > others who don't make that moral distinction. > Victor, keep on asking those questions! > > > > , " linda clark " > <lclark947@> wrote: > > > > I don't see a connection with what you are saying below. The Moscovy > duck is > > grown for this purpose, killed for its heart and liver. Therefore > > Oscilloccinum is not vegetarian. If you are a vegan you may chose > not to do > > the flu shot and if you are a vegetarian then no problem. Most of us > already > > knew the serum in the flu shot is incubated in the egg. There is a > really > > big difference. > > linda > > > > - > > " Victor Reyes " <vreyes284082mi@> > > > > > > > But when we talk about bacteria and viruses we're really talking about > > members of the animal kingdom. The flu shot, too, is grown from the > chicken > > egg that's why we're asked first if we're allergic to chicken before > they > > give us the flu shot. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 Thanks for the correction, Whitney. My stock knowledge is quite old. If it's not asking too much, could you kindly cite your reference? Thanks. Victor , " starrypryncess " <starrypryncess wrote: > > Just to clarify bacteria and viruses are not members of the animal > kingdom. Bacteria are from the Kingdom Monera and viruses are bits of > genetic material that rely on hosts so they are not usually > classified. > > Whitney > > > > - > > > " Victor Reyes " <vreyes284082mi@> > > > > > > > > > > But when we talk about bacteria and viruses we're really talking > about > > > members of the animal kingdom. The flu shot, too, is grown from > the > > chicken > > > egg that's why we're asked first if we're allergic to chicken > before > > they > > > give us the flu shot. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 I don't remember which websites I originally looked at... I just did a google search for bacteria and virus scientific classification. This table is from http://anthro.palomar.edu/animal/animal_3.htm: Kingdom- Types of Organisms Monera - bacteria, blue-green algae, and spirochetes Protista- protozoans and algae of various types Fungi- funguses, molds, mushrooms, yeasts, mildews, and smuts Plantae- (plants) mosses, ferns, woody and non-woody flowering plants Animalia- (animals) sponges, worms, insects, fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals From wikipedia: Virus classification involves naming and placing viruses into a taxonomic system. Like the relatively consistent classification systems seen for cellular organisms, virus classification is the subject of ongoing debate and proposals. This is largely due to the pseudo-living nature of viruses, which are not yet definitively living or non-living. As such, they do not fit neatly into the established biological classification system in place for cellular organisms, such as plants and animals, for several reasons. Virus classification is based mainly on phenotypic characteristics, including morphology, nucleic acid type, mode of replication, host organisms, and the type of disease they cause. A combination of two main schemes is currently in widespread use for the classification of viruses. David Baltimore, a Nobel Prize-winning biologist, devised the Baltimore classification system, which places viruses into one of seven groups. These groups are designated by Roman numerals and separate viruses based on their mode of replication, and genome type. Accompanying this broad method of classification are specific naming conventions and further classification guidelines set out by the International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses. Whitney , " spike48323 " <vreyes284082mi wrote: > > Thanks for the correction, Whitney. My stock knowledge is quite > old. If it's not asking too much, could you kindly cite your > reference? Thanks. > > Victor > > , " starrypryncess " > <starrypryncess@> wrote: > > > > Just to clarify bacteria and viruses are not members of the animal > > kingdom. Bacteria are from the Kingdom Monera and viruses are bits > of > > genetic material that rely on hosts so they are not usually > > classified. > > > > Whitney > > > > > > - > > > > " Victor Reyes " <vreyes284082mi@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But when we talk about bacteria and viruses we're really > talking > > about > > > > members of the animal kingdom. The flu shot, too, is grown > from > > the > > > chicken > > > > egg that's why we're asked first if we're allergic to chicken > > before > > > they > > > > give us the flu shot. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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