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What would people say is the youngest age at which such a, possibly

disturbing, should book be offered? Is it OK to shatter the psyche

of a child in order to instill the goodness of vegetarianism in them

for their own health and the well-being of our fellow Earthlings? I

recall reading some other posts in this group of kids crying after

learning about the cruelty involved in the Standard American Diet.

Yes, they changed their eating habits instantly, but it still struck

me that maybe there is a time and a place (or rather, way) for

educating the young about these things. Or maybe just the age-

appropriate methods change over time. Just pondering and throwing

this out there as a topic for discussion.

 

Thanks,

-Erin

www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

 

 

, jplynch <jplynch wrote:

>

> Great! Thanks!! I've heard of the book, got a copy for my

daughter and

> haven't been able to get it away from her to read it!! (but you've

> inspired me to try again! or get my own copy!).

>

> sammythingy wrote:

>

> > , jplynch <jplynch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > uh, and the book was............?? :)

> >

> > Fast Food Nation. Eric Schlosser. Despite all the other

literature out

> > there, this particular book inspried me to rethink what I'm

eating, as

> > well as where I spend my hard earned dollars. I don't want to get

too

> > politcal, (I'm pretty moderate) but if I could reccomend one book

to

> > the nation, this would be it....the fost food industry would go

> > under....

> >

>

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Personally, I think you have to be very carefull with kids. I found

the book to be disturbing (enough so that I'm making some major

lifestyle changes). Would I want my 12 year old reading it? No.

Again, I don't want to get too political, but for her, having not

grown up vegetarian, and being a sensitive soul, I think the book

would be inapropriate.

 

While I avoid fast food, I don't condem a burrito at Taco Bell once

in a while. I guess my rule of thumb (and what I'm trying to instill

in my family) is to do more good than harm.

 

I would not want my daughter to become a vegetarin untill I knew

that both she and I were able to make sure that she gets all the

nutrition she needs. I also want her to be respectfull of animals,

but also to find her own path to where she's going. I think that

it's a very personal decision. As I've grown in to this, she's

trying new foods, and eating less meat in general. I have a hard

time thinking about the animal rights issues myself, and don't feel

ready to get too far in to it with her untill I have sorted my own

ideas out.

 

We just choose other places to eat, and eat at home more. It's

healthier and cheaper, and I don't think she's noticed.

 

BUT-I digress. As far as FFN goes, I don't reccomend it for kids. I

think that there are likely more suitable, age appropriate avenues

of literature. I still am trying to grasp what I've read and some of

the more graphic writing stays with me.

 

I do apologize if this is too political for this site. I'm quite

moderate, and hope I haven't said anything of offense.

 

 

 

, " Erin " <truepatriot

wrote:

>

> What would people say is the youngest age at which such a,

possibly

> disturbing, should book be offered? Is it OK to shatter the

psyche

> of a child in order to instill the goodness of vegetarianism in

them

> for their own health and the well-being of our fellow Earthlings?

I

> recall reading some other posts in this group of kids crying after

> learning about the cruelty involved in the Standard American

Diet.

> Yes, they changed their eating habits instantly, but it still

struck

> me that maybe there is a time and a place (or rather, way) for

> educating the young about these things. Or maybe just the age-

> appropriate methods change over time. Just pondering and throwing

> this out there as a topic for discussion.

>

> Thanks,

> -Erin

> www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

>

>

> , jplynch <jplynch@> wrote:

> >

> > Great! Thanks!! I've heard of the book, got a copy for my

> daughter and

> > haven't been able to get it away from her to read it!! (but

you've

> > inspired me to try again! or get my own copy!).

> >

> > sammythingy wrote:

> >

> > > , jplynch <jplynch@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > uh, and the book was............?? :)

> > >

> > > Fast Food Nation. Eric Schlosser. Despite all the other

> literature out

> > > there, this particular book inspried me to rethink what I'm

> eating, as

> > > well as where I spend my hard earned dollars. I don't want to

get

> too

> > > politcal, (I'm pretty moderate) but if I could reccomend one

book

> to

> > > the nation, this would be it....the fost food industry would go

> > > under....

> > >

> >

>

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I agree with you. Everyone is different. I used to

cry my eyes out if my Grandpa caught a mouse in the

pet shop trap he set and my sister was terrified of

them and was happy to see it in the trap. My niece

was 7 years old and always told me she would grow up

to be a doctor, she loved to watch surgeries on TV as

a child, I would almost pass right out seeing her

watch those, she would beg to watch the lab tech draw

my blood if I took her with me for my yearly physical.

I'm not kidding, she really creeped me out sometimes.

Well, she is an OB/GYN at UCLA Hospital right now, I

don't think there is any certain rule, you have to

follow your instincts and do what you feel is right.

We are all vegetarians in my family but all of us look

at things differently. My Mom has been a vegetarian

for all of her 83 tears but she never forced it on us,

she would grit her teeth when we had a burger and she

would tell us, one day you two will wise up just watch

and see. She was right.

Donna

 

 

--- sammythingy <sammything wrote:

 

> Personally, I think you have to be very carefull

> with kids. I found

> the book to be disturbing (enough so that I'm making

> some major

> lifestyle changes). Would I want my 12 year old

> reading it? No.

> Again, I don't want to get too political, but for

> her, having not

> grown up vegetarian, and being a sensitive soul, I

> think the book

> would be inapropriate.

>

> While I avoid fast food, I don't condem a burrito at

> Taco Bell once

> in a while. I guess my rule of thumb (and what I'm

> trying to instill

> in my family) is to do more good than harm.

>

> I would not want my daughter to become a vegetarin

> untill I knew

> that both she and I were able to make sure that she

> gets all the

> nutrition she needs. I also want her to be

> respectfull of animals,

> but also to find her own path to where she's going.

> I think that

> it's a very personal decision. As I've grown in to

> this, she's

> trying new foods, and eating less meat in general. I

> have a hard

> time thinking about the animal rights issues myself,

> and don't feel

> ready to get too far in to it with her untill I have

> sorted my own

> ideas out.

>

> We just choose other places to eat, and eat at home

> more. It's

> healthier and cheaper, and I don't think she's

> noticed.

>

> BUT-I digress. As far as FFN goes, I don't reccomend

> it for kids. I

> think that there are likely more suitable, age

> appropriate avenues

> of literature. I still am trying to grasp what I've

> read and some of

> the more graphic writing stays with me.

>

> I do apologize if this is too political for this

> site. I'm quite

> moderate, and hope I haven't said anything of

> offense.

>

>

>

> , " Erin "

> <truepatriot

> wrote:

> >

> > What would people say is the youngest age at which

> such a,

> possibly

> > disturbing, should book be offered? Is it OK to

> shatter the

> psyche

> > of a child in order to instill the goodness of

> vegetarianism in

> them

> > for their own health and the well-being of our

> fellow Earthlings?

> I

> > recall reading some other posts in this group of

> kids crying after

> > learning about the cruelty involved in the

> Standard American

> Diet.

> > Yes, they changed their eating habits instantly,

> but it still

> struck

> > me that maybe there is a time and a place (or

> rather, way) for

> > educating the young about these things. Or maybe

> just the age-

> > appropriate methods change over time. Just

> pondering and throwing

> > this out there as a topic for discussion.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > -Erin

> > www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

> >

> >

> > , jplynch

> <jplynch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Great! Thanks!! I've heard of the book, got a

> copy for my

> > daughter and

> > > haven't been able to get it away from her to

> read it!! (but

> you've

> > > inspired me to try again! or get my own copy!).

> > >

> > > sammythingy wrote:

> > >

> > > > ,

> jplynch <jplynch@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > uh, and the book was............?? :)

> > > >

> > > > Fast Food Nation. Eric Schlosser. Despite all

> the other

> > literature out

> > > > there, this particular book inspried me to

> rethink what I'm

> > eating, as

> > > > well as where I spend my hard earned dollars.

> I don't want to

> get

> > too

> > > > politcal, (I'm pretty moderate) but if I could

> reccomend one

> book

> > to

> > > > the nation, this would be it....the fost food

> industry would go

> > > > under....

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Yes, everyone is different and I find it fascinating. That is really

interesting about your family, Donna.

 

I decided early on not to even talk about being vegetarian when my kids

were very little. My then-husband ate some meat, but not at home. When

my eldest was about 4 she caught on somehow (probably the in-laws) and

she asked me, " Mama, why don't you eat the fish? It's already dead! " I

laughed and that was that. That child, now almost 14, is an avowed

carnivore. (Who doesn't eat fast food, by the way, except for the

occasional In and Out Burger. But she loves beef and chicken.)

 

My youngest, did eat some meat when young. I remember once she was

about 4 or 5, she was enjoying a hamburger. She asked me where it came

from and I said a cow. (That's it, I didn't elaborate at all.) Then

she asked me, " Does it kill the cow? " I answered " yes " , again with no

attitude at all. She looked at me in horror and said " No it doesn't! "

I said " OK! " But she never looked at meat the same after that. Now, at

11 and a half, she's almost a complete vegetarian.

 

Now, my ex-husband is a food extremist, which happened after our

divorce. He read Fast Food Nation and told my girls all about it. So

my girls are quite happy to not eat fast food (except for In and Out

Burger, which dad has OK'd). I'm fine with that since I don't care for

fast food at all. Well, except for pizza, but even that is from a local

place, not a big chain. :-)

 

I would not expose my kids to Fast Food Nation. Why? It's too harsh

for me. I haven't read the book and don't plan to. I'm the type who

faints in movies. (More than once.) But some kids would be fine with

it. My youngest would never forgive me - she's extremely

sensitive/suggestive also. Folks like us have a hard time shaking off

that sort of experience. After my mother died, I almost gave up movies

altogether for years.

 

Sharon

 

Donnalilacflower wrote:

> I agree with you. Everyone is different. I used to

> cry my eyes out if my Grandpa caught a mouse in the

> pet shop trap he set and my sister was terrified of

> them and was happy to see it in the trap. My niece

> was 7 years old and always told me she would grow up

> to be a doctor, she loved to watch surgeries on TV as

> a child, I would almost pass right out seeing her

> watch those, she would beg to watch the lab tech draw

> my blood if I took her with me for my yearly physical.

> I'm not kidding, she really creeped me out sometimes.

> Well, she is an OB/GYN at UCLA Hospital right now, I

> don't think there is any certain rule, you have to

> follow your instincts and do what you feel is right.

> We are all vegetarians in my family but all of us look

> at things differently. My Mom has been a vegetarian

> for all of her 83 tears but she never forced it on us,

> she would grit her teeth when we had a burger and she

> would tell us, one day you two will wise up just watch

> and see. She was right.

> Donna

>

>

> --- sammythingy <sammything wrote:

>

>

>> Personally, I think you have to be very carefull

>> with kids. I found

>> the book to be disturbing (enough so that I'm making

>> some major

>> lifestyle changes). Would I want my 12 year old

>> reading it? No.

>> Again, I don't want to get too political, but for

>> her, having not

>> grown up vegetarian, and being a sensitive soul, I

>> think the book

>> would be inapropriate.

>>

>> While I avoid fast food, I don't condem a burrito at

>> Taco Bell once

>> in a while. I guess my rule of thumb (and what I'm

>> trying to instill

>> in my family) is to do more good than harm.

>>

>> I would not want my daughter to become a vegetarin

>> untill I knew

>> that both she and I were able to make sure that she

>> gets all the

>> nutrition she needs. I also want her to be

>> respectfull of animals,

>> but also to find her own path to where she's going.

>> I think that

>> it's a very personal decision. As I've grown in to

>> this, she's

>> trying new foods, and eating less meat in general. I

>> have a hard

>> time thinking about the animal rights issues myself,

>> and don't feel

>> ready to get too far in to it with her untill I have

>> sorted my own

>> ideas out.

>>

>> We just choose other places to eat, and eat at home

>> more. It's

>> healthier and cheaper, and I don't think she's

>> noticed.

>>

>> BUT-I digress. As far as FFN goes, I don't reccomend

>> it for kids. I

>> think that there are likely more suitable, age

>> appropriate avenues

>> of literature. I still am trying to grasp what I've

>> read and some of

>> the more graphic writing stays with me.

>>

>> I do apologize if this is too political for this

>> site. I'm quite

>> moderate, and hope I haven't said anything of

>> offense.

>>

>>

>>

>> , " Erin "

>> <truepatriot

>> wrote:

>>

>>> What would people say is the youngest age at which

>>>

>> such a,

>> possibly

>>

>>> disturbing, should book be offered? Is it OK to

>>>

>> shatter the

>> psyche

>>

>>> of a child in order to instill the goodness of

>>>

>> vegetarianism in

>> them

>>

>>> for their own health and the well-being of our

>>>

>> fellow Earthlings?

>> I

>>

>>> recall reading some other posts in this group of

>>>

>> kids crying after

>>

>>> learning about the cruelty involved in the

>>>

>> Standard American

>> Diet.

>>

>>> Yes, they changed their eating habits instantly,

>>>

>> but it still

>> struck

>>

>>> me that maybe there is a time and a place (or

>>>

>> rather, way) for

>>

>>> educating the young about these things. Or maybe

>>>

>> just the age-

>>

>>> appropriate methods change over time. Just

>>>

>> pondering and throwing

>>

>>> this out there as a topic for discussion.

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> -Erin

>>> www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

>>>

>>>

>>> , jplynch

>>>

>> <jplynch@> wrote:

>>

>>>> Great! Thanks!! I've heard of the book, got a

>>>>

>> copy for my

>>

>>> daughter and

>>>

>>>> haven't been able to get it away from her to

>>>>

>> read it!! (but

>> you've

>>

>>>> inspired me to try again! or get my own copy!).

>>>>

>>>> sammythingy wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> ,

>>>>>

>> jplynch <jplynch@>

>> wrote:

>>

>>>>>> uh, and the book was............?? :)

>>>>>>

>>>>> Fast Food Nation. Eric Schlosser. Despite all

>>>>>

>> the other

>>

>>> literature out

>>>

>>>>> there, this particular book inspried me to

>>>>>

>> rethink what I'm

>>

>>> eating, as

>>>

>>>>> well as where I spend my hard earned dollars.

>>>>>

>> I don't want to

>> get

>>

>>> too

>>>

>>>>> politcal, (I'm pretty moderate) but if I could

>>>>>

>> reccomend one

>> book

>>

>>> to

>>>

>>>>> the nation, this would be it....the fost food

>>>>>

>> industry would go

>>

>>>>> under....

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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In a message dated 10/9/2006 3:59:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

truepatriot writes:

 

 

> What would people say is the youngest age at which such a, possibly

> disturbing, should book be offered? Is it OK to shatter the psyche

> of a child in order to instill the goodness of vegetarianism in them

> for their own health and the well-being of our fellow Earthlings? I

> recall reading some other posts in this group of kids crying after

> learning about the cruelty involved in the Standard American Diet.

> Yes, they changed their eating habits instantly, but it still struck

> me that maybe there is a time and a place (or rather, way) for

> educating the young about these things. Or maybe just the age-

> appropriate methods change over time. Just pondering and throwing

> this out there as a topic for discussion.

>

 

I was taught stewardship by my mother. It takes much less land and water to

feed a vegetarian than a meat eater. Nearly all the food waste from a

vegetarian household can be composted and returned to the earth. Organic,

sustainable gardening is better for the soil and the people fed from the growing

plants

than using chemicals. She taught us to eat to feed the body not to feed the

appetite. To exercise so we could work harder, longer with less discomfort

not only now but less pain in later years. I consider my mother to have been a

wise woman and as I get older (58 now) I realise that I should have spent more

time discussing all things with her.

 

My mom logged with my grandfather for several years from the time I was three

till I started second grade. I went with them until I was six and saw how

they logged and I remember mom showing me how they would choose a tree and cut

it down, skid it out with a horse so it would not cause as much damage to the

forest. Nowdays they just go in with huge equipment and rip the trees out of

the ground and bulldoze everything up into huge piles of brush and burn it. I

hate clearcutting with a passion.

 

Right now I have two acres that the blackberries are trying to take over and

I am cutting them and digging out the roots rather than get a brush hog in

there that rips up the ground and causes so much damage to the earth. I am

hoping to salvge the thornless raspberries and the salal that is growing under

the

blackberries. I will take me the rest of my life to try to get the

blackberries under control but I refuse to not do it the " earth " way.

 

Lisa

stepping off soap box now.

 

 

 

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my daughter's father and I had the same conversation. He was a bit peeved that I

showed her a film, she is 9.

 

In my most always humble opinion <cough> I think they are never to young to

learn the truth about some things.

 

hugs,

Chanda

-

kelownabc

Wednesday, October 11, 2006 5:52 AM

Re: Fast Food Nation and children

 

 

In a message dated 10/9/2006 3:59:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

truepatriot writes:

 

> What would people say is the youngest age at which such a, possibly

> disturbing, should book be offered? Is it OK to shatter the psyche

> of a child in order to instill the goodness of vegetarianism in them

> for their own health and the well-being of our fellow Earthlings? I

> recall reading some other posts in this group of kids crying after

> learning about the cruelty involved in the Standard American Diet.

> Yes, they changed their eating habits instantly, but it still struck

> me that maybe there is a time and a place (or rather, way) for

> educating the young about these things. Or maybe just the age-

> appropriate methods change over time. Just pondering and throwing

> this out there as a topic for discussion.

>

 

I was taught stewardship by my mother. It takes much less land and water to

feed a vegetarian than a meat eater. Nearly all the food waste from a

vegetarian household can be composted and returned to the earth. Organic,

sustainable gardening is better for the soil and the people fed from the

growing plants

than using chemicals. She taught us to eat to feed the body not to feed the

appetite. To exercise so we could work harder, longer with less discomfort

not only now but less pain in later years. I consider my mother to have been a

wise woman and as I get older (58 now) I realise that I should have spent more

time discussing all things with her.

 

My mom logged with my grandfather for several years from the time I was three

till I started second grade. I went with them until I was six and saw how

they logged and I remember mom showing me how they would choose a tree and cut

it down, skid it out with a horse so it would not cause as much damage to the

forest. Nowdays they just go in with huge equipment and rip the trees out of

the ground and bulldoze everything up into huge piles of brush and burn it. I

hate clearcutting with a passion.

 

Right now I have two acres that the blackberries are trying to take over and

I am cutting them and digging out the roots rather than get a brush hog in

there that rips up the ground and causes so much damage to the earth. I am

hoping to salvge the thornless raspberries and the salal that is growing under

the

blackberries. I will take me the rest of my life to try to get the

blackberries under control but I refuse to not do it the " earth " way.

 

Lisa

stepping off soap box now.

 

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The truth is fine but if it's too graphic that's a

whole different story. I know I faint at a drop of

blood and Mya (niece) is right there to wipe it up and

clean your wound. I had nightmares as a kid if I saw

anything graphic. It depends on the child and what

they can handle.

Donna

 

--- PuterWitch <puterwitch wrote:

 

> my daughter's father and I had the same

> conversation. He was a bit peeved that I showed her

> a film, she is 9.

>

> In my most always humble opinion <cough> I think

> they are never to young to learn the truth about

> some things.

>

> hugs,

> Chanda

 

 

 

 

 

 

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