Interesting Quorn web search

[Guest guest]

I found some interesting stuff about Quorn just by doing a search for

Quorn - banned in Canada.

 

This is what I found. It's sounds digusting I can't believe that any

food agency would approve this stuff.

 

Quorn is banned in Canada - why?

What is wrong with it? I eat loads of the stuff.

 

Quorn Complaints

http://www.cspinet.org/quorn/

Quorn is the brand name of meat substitutes that are made from a

vat-grown fungus. Some people have dangerous allergic reactions to the

fungus and suffer nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and occasionally hives

or

difficulty breathing. Some people react the first time they eat Quorn,

while some react only after building up a sensitivity.

 

CSPI Calls For Recall Of " Quorn " Meat Substitute

http://www.cspinet.org/new/200208121.html

The Food and Drug Administration has allowed a fake meat made from

fungus onto the marketplace, even though the agency knows it makes

some

people seriously ill, according to the nonprofit Center for Science in

the Public Interest (CSPI).

Quorn is the brand name for a line of foods made from " mycoprotein. "

Quorn's packaging describes mycoprotein as " mushroom in origin " and a

" small, unassuming member of the mushroom family, " when according to

fungus experts, Quorn's vat-grown fungus is only distantly related to

mushrooms.

 

http://www.commondreams.org/news2006/0328-16.htm

CSPI found that the organism in Quorn is actually a form of mold named

Fusarium venenatum, venenatum being the Latin word for filled with

venom, or poisoned. British and American regulators pressured Quorn to

drop its dubious claim to being a type of mushroom and spurred other

minor labeling improvements, though the company still deceptively

brags

on its web sites that Quorn is a " relative of mushrooms, truffles, and

morels. "

Most of the Quorn sold in the United States comes in the form of

chicken-like cutlets or " tenders, " beef-like " grounds, " imitation

sausages, and cylindrical " roasts. " In the U.K., the company has

transmogrified the fungus into even more incarnations, including

burgers, bangers, lamb-like " grillers, " porkish " ribsters, " Swedish

style " balls, " " fillets in white wine sauce, " lasagnas, pies, and

other

products.

 

" The data argue compellingly that the mycoprotein derived from

Fusarium

venenatum is almost certainly gastrotoxic, " said Dr. David A.

Morowitz,

a Clinical Professor of Medicine (gastroenterology) at Georgetown

University. " The risk of its toxicity does not justify its continued

use here in the United States, absent additional safety studies. "

 

" On theoretical grounds alone, the use of this mold in food is highly

dubious, " said Dr. John Santilli, a Bridgeport, Connecticut allergist.

" Intentionally increasing consumer exposure to mold through the food

supply will only increase the risk of discomfort and adverse reactions

in mold-sensitive consumers. "

[Guest guest]

I'm so disappointed to hear this, but glad I didn't find any in any local

stores during a quest today!

 

I suffer from asthma and I'm afraid molds and fungi are high on my lists of

problems, so I'd better look for other alternatives.

 

 

 

Drat!

 

Kellie

 

 

 

I found some interesting stuff about Quorn just by doing a search for

Quorn - banned in Canada.

 

This is what I found. It's sounds digusting I can't believe that any

food agency would approve this stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I have been eating Quorn products for years and

have never had any problems with it. I know many

other veggie folks that love the stuff, and it is quite

popular in Europe. I would take these scare articles

with a grain of salt, personally. But Quorn isn't the

end-all thanksgiving main entree idea. There are

many other options if someone is sensitive or afraid

to try Quorn.

I still plan to enjoy my delicious Quorn roast.

I know the term " fungus " sounds gross, but don't

knock it til you try it.

Cheers! :::coffeemug salute:::

 

~ PT ~

 

Autumn will heap the granaries high.

Whatever you reap, corn, wheat or clover,

Barley or rye, when autumn is over . . .

Whatever you reap you will be raising

Again and again.

~ Anne Persov, Whatever You Reap.

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~>

, " summerhill9 " <summerhill9

wrote:

>

> I found some interesting stuff about Quorn just by doing a search for

> Quorn - banned in Canada.

>

> This is what I found. It's sounds digusting I can't believe that any

> food agency would approve this stuff.

>

> Quorn is banned in Canada - why?

> What is wrong with it? I eat loads of the stuff.

[Guest guest]

I love mushrooms so I'm not worried about fungus so much as the reports of

allergies. I have asthma and was quite sick with pneumonia during last

year's winter's holidays, so I'm leery of trying anything that might lead to

a repeat of that very not-fun experience.

 

Kellie

[Guest guest]

Aw, I can't say as I blame you one bit there, Kellie.

I hope you have a very safe and healthy holiday season

this year. Enjoy a Tofurkey or mix up a TVP loaf instead.

There are so many other delicious traditional Thanksgiving

foods to enjoy that you won't miss the turkey analogs if

you choose to skip them altogether.

 

I tried a tofurkey brand once just to see how it was.

It was good, but it made me burp all day. *lol*

Tasting it once was good, but not all day.

I have friends though that love them and buy one or

two for every holiday meal. I am glad there are so

many other choices, enough to please all of differing

tastes.

 

~ PT ~

 

The wild gander leads his flock through the cool night,

Ya-honk!  he says, and sounds it down to me like an invitation:

The pert may suppose it meaningless, but I listen closer,

I find its purpose and place up there toward the November sky.

-   Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, 1855, I Celebrate Myself, Line 238

~~~*~~~*~~~~>

 

, " Kellie " <Kellie wrote:

>

> I love mushrooms so I'm not worried about fungus so much as the reports of

> allergies. I have asthma and was quite sick with pneumonia during last

> year's winter's holidays, so I'm leery of trying anything that might lead to

> a repeat of that very not-fun experience.

>

> Kellie

>

[Guest guest]

After reading the stuff about the Quorn I'm concerned because I am deathly

allergic to penicillin. I do mushrooms okay, but actual mold just kills me

- can't breathe, etc. I think I'm going to play around with some recipes

I've found online about how to make your own version of the tofurkey roast

with stuffing inside. What I'm thinking of doing though is making a much

smaller recipe and taking some portabellas and mincing them to add to the

tofu, then adding liquid smoke and poultry seasoning and making something

more like those turkey rolls they used to sell (and maybe still do). Since

I'm the only one that will definitely eat it, I don't want to make something

that feeds 20 to 24 people!

 

 

 

On Behalf Of ~ PT ~

Saturday, November 17, 2007 1:56 PM

 

Re: Interesting Quorn web search

 

Aw, I can't say as I blame you one bit there, Kellie.

I hope you have a very safe and healthy holiday season

this year. Enjoy a Tofurkey or mix up a TVP loaf instead.

There are so many other delicious traditional Thanksgiving

foods to enjoy that you won't miss the turkey analogs if

you choose to skip them altogether.

 

I tried a tofurkey brand once just to see how it was.

It was good, but it made me burp all day. *lol*

Tasting it once was good, but not all day.

I have friends though that love them and buy one or

two for every holiday meal. I am glad there are so

many other choices, enough to please all of differing

tastes.

 

~ PT ~

 

The wild gander leads his flock through the cool night,

Ya-honk!  he says, and sounds it down to me like an invitation:

The pert may suppose it meaningless, but I listen closer,

I find its purpose and place up there toward the November sky.

-   Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, 1855, I Celebrate Myself, Line 238

~~~*~~~*~~~~>

 

, " Kellie " <Kellie wrote:

>

> I love mushrooms so I'm not worried about fungus so much as the reports of

> allergies. I have asthma and was quite sick with pneumonia during last

> year's winter's holidays, so I'm leery of trying anything that might lead

to

> a repeat of that very not-fun experience.

>

> Kellie

>

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I would think that an educated response to concerns of allergies of

Quorn would be to talk to your allergist... just because someone is

allergic to airborn mold and fungus does not necessarily mean that

they will be allergic to the solid state. All molds and fungi release

spores, it's how they reproduce, that go into the air. Some folks may

have an airborn allergy that may not predicate a food allergy.

 

It is also important to consider the original article that was posted

to the list that started this conversation. It quoted the agency " The

center for science in the public interest " as having done research

that found that Quorn is dangerous and that it advocates its ban in

the US. While the CSPI sounds official and unbiased, a little on line

research reveals a bit of controversy concerning the agency. And,

while I freely acknowledge that wikipedia is not 100% accurate all of

the time, it is generally been a good reference ... And looking at

their site shows that indeed, there are people out there who take a

differing viewpoint on what CSPI has to say. (Quotes from the site

are at the bottom of my post.)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Science_in_the_Public_Interest

 

As a scientist myself, I always question the funding and bias of who

it is that makes claims to health and safty. Very often, groups that

sound unbiased actually have an agenda... think about the " green "

groups that are funded by groups that disagree with global climate

change. I think that it is called " pseudo-science " but can't come up

with a group off of the top of my head.

 

At any rate, due to concerns of validity with the CSPI group, I also

question the validity of any claims that they make about Quorn. To

me, part of being a responsible consumer is not believing everything

that I read but doing my own strict research and going from there.

 

Oh, and personally, I love Quorn. My hubby, who hates mushrooms,

likes quorn. We buy it preferentially over other veggie crumbles.

AND, I think it is awful that some locations don't carry it in the

stores... I am an intelligent person that can make up my own mind.

Until solid scientific proof comes in that it is horrible, and so far

for the years that it has been available in Europe that hasn't

happened, we will continue to support a wonderful alternative to the

dead cow industry.

 

Genie

 

" The Center for Consumer Freedom, a non-profit U.S. lobby group funded

by the restaurant, food, and tobacco industries,[4] [5] criticizes

CSPI through one of its websites. CCF regards CSPI as part of the

" food police " . It claims that " (CSPI) and its founder, Michael F.

Jacobson, are not as nice, sweet, and unbiased as CSPI's name might

imply. [CSPI] routinely uses scare tactics justified by 'junk science'

and media theatrics as part of their ceaseless campaign for government

regulation of your personal food choices. " [6] As a result, several

critics of CSPI often refer to the organization as being in favor of a

nanny state.[7]

 

The Heartland Institute says that " What makes officious nannies like

CSPI so maddening is that they cloak their apparent goal of

prohibition in the language of health advocacy. Some of the advice in

the group's Nutrition Action Healthletter is perfectly sensible, but

the remainder can be highly controversial. " [8]

 

Bob Barr, a former U.S. Congressman and member of the Libertarian

Party, has said that CSPI does not conduct research but carries out

smear campaigns against scientists who publish research which

contradicts its ideas. [9] "

 

, " Penny French "

<penny368 wrote:

>

> After reading the stuff about the Quorn I'm concerned because I am

deathly

> allergic to penicillin. I do mushrooms okay, but actual mold just

kills me

> - can't breathe, etc. I think I'm going to play around with some

recipes

> I've found online about how to make your own version of the tofurkey

roast

> with stuffing inside. What I'm thinking of doing though is making a

much

> smaller recipe and taking some portabellas and mincing them to add

to the

> tofu, then adding liquid smoke and poultry seasoning and making

something

> more like those turkey rolls they used to sell (and maybe still do).

Since

> I'm the only one that will definitely eat it, I don't want to make

something

> that feeds 20 to 24 people!

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of ~ PT ~

> Saturday, November 17, 2007 1:56 PM

>

> Re: Interesting Quorn web search

>

> Aw, I can't say as I blame you one bit there, Kellie.

> I hope you have a very safe and healthy holiday season

> this year. Enjoy a Tofurkey or mix up a TVP loaf instead.

> There are so many other delicious traditional Thanksgiving

> foods to enjoy that you won't miss the turkey analogs if

> you choose to skip them altogether.

>

> I tried a tofurkey brand once just to see how it was.

> It was good, but it made me burp all day. *lol*

> Tasting it once was good, but not all day.

> I have friends though that love them and buy one or

> two for every holiday meal. I am glad there are so

> many other choices, enough to please all of differing

> tastes.

>

> ~ PT ~

>

> The wild gander leads his flock through the cool night,

> Ya-honk! he says, and sounds it down to me like an invitation:

> The pert may suppose it meaningless, but I listen closer,

> I find its purpose and place up there toward the November sky.

> - Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, 1855, I Celebrate Myself, Line 238

> ~~~*~~~*~~~~>

>

> , " Kellie " <Kellie@> wrote:

> >

> > I love mushrooms so I'm not worried about fungus so much as the

reports of

> > allergies. I have asthma and was quite sick with pneumonia during

last

> > year's winter's holidays, so I'm leery of trying anything that

might lead

> to

> > a repeat of that very not-fun experience.

> >

> > Kellie

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

you have made some good points, genie. i agree that

you cannot believe everything you read and you must do

your own research. seems like i'm constantly reading

contradicting articles about nutrition...red wine is

good for the heart/red wine will kill you, coffee is

bad for you/2 cups of coffee a day prevents

parkinson's disease, soy prevents breast cancer/soy is

toxic and kills the thyroid....it goes on and on.

when in doubt, use moderation.

 

susie

 

--- geniesflower <geniesflower wrote:

 

> I would think that an educated response to concerns

> of allergies of

> Quorn would be to talk to your allergist... just

> because someone is

> allergic to airborn mold and fungus does not

> necessarily mean that

> they will be allergic to the solid state. All molds

> and fungi release

> spores, it's how they reproduce, that go into the

> air. Some folks may

> have an airborn allergy that may not predicate a

> food allergy.

>

> It is also important to consider the original

> article that was posted

> to the list that started this conversation. It

> quoted the agency " The

> center for science in the public interest " as having

> done research

> that found that Quorn is dangerous and that it

> advocates its ban in

> the US. While the CSPI sounds official and

> unbiased, a little on line

> research reveals a bit of controversy concerning the

> agency. And,

> while I freely acknowledge that wikipedia is not

> 100% accurate all of

> the time, it is generally been a good reference ...

> And looking at

> their site shows that indeed, there are people out

> there who take a

> differing viewpoint on what CSPI has to say.

> (Quotes from the site

> are at the bottom of my post.)

>

>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Science_in_the_Public_Interest

>

> As a scientist myself, I always question the funding

> and bias of who

> it is that makes claims to health and safty. Very

> often, groups that

> sound unbiased actually have an agenda... think

> about the " green "

> groups that are funded by groups that disagree with

> global climate

> change. I think that it is called " pseudo-science "

> but can't come up

> with a group off of the top of my head.

>

> At any rate, due to concerns of validity with the

> CSPI group, I also

> question the validity of any claims that they make

> about Quorn. To

> me, part of being a responsible consumer is not

> believing everything

> that I read but doing my own strict research and

> going from there.

>

> Oh, and personally, I love Quorn. My hubby, who

> hates mushrooms,

> likes quorn. We buy it preferentially over other

> veggie crumbles.

> AND, I think it is awful that some locations don't

> carry it in the

> stores... I am an intelligent person that can make

> up my own mind.

> Until solid scientific proof comes in that it is

> horrible, and so far

> for the years that it has been available in Europe

> that hasn't

> happened, we will continue to support a wonderful

> alternative to the

> dead cow industry.

>

> Genie

>

> " The Center for Consumer Freedom, a non-profit U.S.

> lobby group funded

> by the restaurant, food, and tobacco industries,[4]

> [5] criticizes

> CSPI through one of its websites. CCF regards CSPI

> as part of the

> " food police " . It claims that " (CSPI) and its

> founder, Michael F.

> Jacobson, are not as nice, sweet, and unbiased as

> CSPI's name might

> imply. [CSPI] routinely uses scare tactics justified

> by 'junk science'

> and media theatrics as part of their ceaseless

> campaign for government

> regulation of your personal food choices. " [6] As a

> result, several

> critics of CSPI often refer to the organization as

> being in favor of a

> nanny state.[7]

>

> The Heartland Institute says that " What makes

> officious nannies like

> CSPI so maddening is that they cloak their apparent

> goal of

> prohibition in the language of health advocacy. Some

> of the advice in

> the group's Nutrition Action Healthletter is

> perfectly sensible, but

> the remainder can be highly controversial. " [8]

>

> Bob Barr, a former U.S. Congressman and member of

> the Libertarian

> Party, has said that CSPI does not conduct research

> but carries out

> smear campaigns against scientists who publish

> research which

> contradicts its ideas. [9] "

>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Maybe you just have to decide what you want to die from and ignore the rest!

:-)

 

 

 

It turns out to be a moot point for me because I can't find Quorn products

around here. I went to several different places one day, including Central

Market and Whole Foods and wasn't successful. The big health food store we

used to have is now a small vitamin shop. I'm sure they probably used to

have it!

 

 

 

Kellie Snider

 

www.behaviorlogic.com

 

www.animalbehavior.wordpress.com

 

 

 

" ...I don't think you have time to spend with people who do not treat you

with kindness and respect. "

 

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On Behalf Of

artichoke72x

Monday, November 19, 2007 11:53 PM

 

Re: Re: Interesting Quorn web search

 

 

 

you have made some good points, genie. i agree that

you cannot believe everything you read and you must do

your own research. seems like i'm constantly reading

contradicting articles about nutrition...red wine is

good for the heart/red wine will kill you, coffee is

bad for you/2 cups of coffee a day prevents

parkinson's disease, soy prevents breast cancer/soy is

toxic and kills the thyroid....it goes on and on.

when in doubt, use moderation.

 

susie

 

--- geniesflower <geniesflower@ <geniesflower%40> >

wrote:

 

> I would think that an educated response to concerns

> of allergies of

> Quorn would be to talk to your allergist... just

> because someone is

> allergic to airborn mold and fungus does not

> necessarily mean that

> they will be allergic to the solid state. All molds

> and fungi release

> spores, it's how they reproduce, that go into the

> air. Some folks may

> have an airborn allergy that may not predicate a

> food allergy.

>

> It is also important to consider the original

> article that was posted

> to the list that started this conversation. It

> quoted the agency " The

> center for science in the public interest " as having

> done research

> that found that Quorn is dangerous and that it

> advocates its ban in

> the US. While the CSPI sounds official and

> unbiased, a little on line

> research reveals a bit of controversy concerning the

> agency. And,

> while I freely acknowledge that wikipedia is not

> 100% accurate all of

> the time, it is generally been a good reference ...

> And looking at

> their site shows that indeed, there are people out

> there who take a

> differing viewpoint on what CSPI has to say.

> (Quotes from the site

> are at the bottom of my post.)

>

>

http://en.wikipedia

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Science_in_the_Public_Interest>

..org/wiki/Center_for_Science_in_the_Public_Interest

>

> As a scientist myself, I always question the funding

> and bias of who

> it is that makes claims to health and safty. Very

> often, groups that

> sound unbiased actually have an agenda... think

> about the " green "

> groups that are funded by groups that disagree with

> global climate

> change. I think that it is called " pseudo-science "

> but can't come up

> with a group off of the top of my head.

>

> At any rate, due to concerns of validity with the

> CSPI group, I also

> question the validity of any claims that they make

> about Quorn. To

> me, part of being a responsible consumer is not

> believing everything

> that I read but doing my own strict research and

> going from there.

>

> Oh, and personally, I love Quorn. My hubby, who

> hates mushrooms,

> likes quorn. We buy it preferentially over other

> veggie crumbles.

> AND, I think it is awful that some locations don't

> carry it in the

> stores... I am an intelligent person that can make

> up my own mind.

> Until solid scientific proof comes in that it is

> horrible, and so far

> for the years that it has been available in Europe

> that hasn't

> happened, we will continue to support a wonderful

> alternative to the

> dead cow industry.

>

> Genie

>

> " The Center for Consumer Freedom, a non-profit U.S.

> lobby group funded

> by the restaurant, food, and tobacco industries,[4]

> [5] criticizes

> CSPI through one of its websites. CCF regards CSPI

> as part of the

> " food police " . It claims that " (CSPI) and its

> founder, Michael F.

> Jacobson, are not as nice, sweet, and unbiased as

> CSPI's name might

> imply. [CSPI] routinely uses scare tactics justified

> by 'junk science'

> and media theatrics as part of their ceaseless

> campaign for government

> regulation of your personal food choices. " [6] As a

> result, several

> critics of CSPI often refer to the organization as

> being in favor of a

> nanny state.[7]

>

> The Heartland Institute says that " What makes

> officious nannies like

> CSPI so maddening is that they cloak their apparent

> goal of

> prohibition in the language of health advocacy. Some

> of the advice in

> the group's Nutrition Action Healthletter is

> perfectly sensible, but

> the remainder can be highly controversial. " [8]

>

> Bob Barr, a former U.S. Congressman and member of

> the Libertarian

> Party, has said that CSPI does not conduct research

> but carries out

> smear campaigns against scientists who publish

> research which

> contradicts its ideas. [9] "

>

 

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