Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 ... or some handy hints. Basically what happened last time i went vego was.. i got sick. hmph. I think it was all the beans, and all the extra veggies i probably didn't have as a meat-eater (don't get me wrong, i don't eat too badly as a meat-eater, but nowhere near the same amount of veggies). But yeah, the beans definately had some.. unwanted side effects no matter how i prepared or cooked them- and unfortuantely a lot of foods like tofu, tempeh, seitan seemed to have similar effects. Maybe all the added fibre and strange foods just threw me out, but yeah, not a morning went by during my 2 months as a vego where i didn't wake up with.. um.. bowel problems- to put it lightly. Anyway, any hints or ideas? I do miss being a vego... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Oh man - I wish I could help. My " return " to vegetarianism in my early twenties was quite sudden and quite tumultuous but I had no negative side effects at all. That was about two and half decades ago, I remember being quite bewildered but I had no physical problems at all. It never occurred to me that there could be problems until I started with this group. I guess I was lucky. Hang in there Bro or Sis! SeveralSpecies P.S. I wonder if you committed to a lengthy (say ten day) juice fast and came out of that eating veggie, how that would effect your transition. (I know - I pretty much don't approach anything with subtlety - a blessing and a curse perhaps?) born_of_beltane <mysteriousdarkness wrote: .. or some handy hints. Basically what happened last time i went vego was.. i got sick. hmph. I think it was all the beans, and all the extra veggies i probably didn't have as a meat-eater (don't get me wrong, i don't eat too badly as a meat-eater, but nowhere near the same amount of veggies). But yeah, the beans definately had some.. unwanted side effects no matter how i prepared or cooked them- and unfortuantely a lot of foods like tofu, tempeh, seitan seemed to have similar effects. Maybe all the added fibre and strange foods just threw me out, but yeah, not a morning went by during my 2 months as a vego where i didn't wake up with.. um.. bowel problems- to put it lightly. Anyway, any hints or ideas? I do miss being a vego... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 wow... i know other people who have gotten ill, but none so consistently (or drastically!!!). when you made the switch before, did you go cold-turkey (so to speak) or more gradually? was it specific vegetables that irritated your system or just the added intake? do you get this effect from all soy-based products? sorry to kinda bombard you with questions, but i figure the more info i/we have, the more helpful, right? On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 7:38 AM, born_of_beltane < mysteriousdarkness wrote: > .. or some handy hints. > > Basically what happened last time i went vego was.. i got sick. hmph. > > I think it was all the beans, and all the extra veggies i probably > didn't have as a meat-eater (don't get me wrong, i don't eat too badly > as a meat-eater, but nowhere near the same amount of veggies). > > But yeah, the beans definately had some.. unwanted side effects no > matter how i prepared or cooked them- and unfortuantely a lot of foods > like tofu, tempeh, seitan seemed to have similar effects. Maybe all the > added fibre and strange foods just threw me out, but yeah, not a > morning went by during my 2 months as a vego where i didn't wake up > with.. um.. bowel problems- to put it lightly. > > Anyway, any hints or ideas? I do miss being a vego... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Anytime you make a signficant change to your diet its bound to take your body awhile to adapt it... Increasing fiber will obviously make you go a bit more often... But if it was as bad as it sounds, I'd supspect some type of food allergy. Food allergies are a very common cause of ::whisper:: diarrhea. To determine if you have an allergy, basically you can either go to the doctor and get some blood tests, or you can try an elimination diet to determine which food/s are giving you problems. (i.e., try only one of the vegetarian protein sources for a week or so, and see if its giving you problems... If not then try another, etc.) Did you increase the intake of any specific foods a lot when you were veg? For instance, I know when a lot of people go veg they start eating more dairy... If that's the case, then you could have been experiencing side effects of lactose intolerance. Deficiencies in niacin and folic acid can also cause diarrhea, so make sure you get plenty of both. Although I'd assume if anything you'd be getting more of those nutrients on a vegetarian diet. Dave Visit my blog http://nodavesclub.blogspot.com born_of_beltane <mysteriousdarkness wrote: .. or some handy hints. Basically what happened last time i went vego was.. i got sick. hmph. I think it was all the beans, and all the extra veggies i probably didn't have as a meat-eater (don't get me wrong, i don't eat too badly as a meat-eater, but nowhere near the same amount of veggies). But yeah, the beans definately had some.. unwanted side effects no matter how i prepared or cooked them- and unfortuantely a lot of foods like tofu, tempeh, seitan seemed to have similar effects. Maybe all the added fibre and strange foods just threw me out, but yeah, not a morning went by during my 2 months as a vego where i didn't wake up with.. um.. bowel problems- to put it lightly. Anyway, any hints or ideas? I do miss being a vego... Earn easy money online! For tips visit my site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Thanks to all those who responded (and who'll hopefully continue to respond). Like i said, it did seem to be massively the beans, but i was sick so often it was hard to pinpoint exactly what it was that was doing it. (then again, i'm still sick even now though not in the same way, so its highly possible it wasn't the diet at all). I know it was definately beans, and apples for some reason- though i think i managed lentils alright, and tofu too... And i pretty much don't touch dairy, i'm not sure if it causes problems or not, but i suspect it does. Yeah, i'll get an allergy test- it could certainly help explain a few things. Maybe i'll try and ease back into it while still eating meat- try some of the vego foods one food at a time- tempeh, tofu, seitan, beans and lentils. That way i can more easily pick what it was exactly that did it. , Dave DeVetter <dave4sale wrote: > > Anytime you make a signficant change to your diet its bound to take your body awhile to adapt it... Increasing fiber will obviously make you go a bit more often... But if it was as bad as it sounds, I'd supspect some type of food allergy. Food allergies are a very common cause of ::whisper:: diarrhea. To determine if you have an allergy, basically you can either go to the doctor and get some blood tests, or you can try an elimination diet to determine which food/s are giving you problems. (i.e., try only one of the vegetarian protein sources for a week or so, and see if its giving you problems... If not then try another, etc.) > > Did you increase the intake of any specific foods a lot when you were veg? For instance, > I know when a lot of people go veg they start eating more dairy... If that's the case, then you could have been experiencing side effects of lactose intolerance. > > Deficiencies in niacin and folic acid can also cause diarrhea, so make sure you get plenty of both. Although I'd assume if anything you'd be getting more of those nutrients on a vegetarian diet. > > Dave > > Visit my blog http://nodavesclub.blogspot.com > > > born_of_beltane <mysteriousdarkness wrote: > .. or some handy hints. > > Basically what happened last time i went vego was.. i got sick. hmph. > > I think it was all the beans, and all the extra veggies i probably > didn't have as a meat-eater (don't get me wrong, i don't eat too badly > as a meat-eater, but nowhere near the same amount of veggies). > > But yeah, the beans definately had some.. unwanted side effects no > matter how i prepared or cooked them- and unfortuantely a lot of foods > like tofu, tempeh, seitan seemed to have similar effects. Maybe all the > added fibre and strange foods just threw me out, but yeah, not a > morning went by during my 2 months as a vego where i didn't wake up > with.. um.. bowel problems- to put it lightly. > > Anyway, any hints or ideas? I do miss being a vego... > Earn easy money online! For tips visit my site > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Hello all, I have not written or introduced myself yet, so I will take this opportunity to do so. I was a veg for a few years and enjoyed it, but I was also a lazy veg. I would make my meat eating family a meal and just eat it minus the meat, like potatoes and corn, but no protein. I simply was not getting enough and when I had surgery, my surgeon insisted that I eat meat at least for awhile..I did and stayed on meat for years. My life went to pot! I started smoking again, gained lots of weight! a mess! I lost the weight while still eating meat, but my son who is 13 and a little activist wanted to go vegetarian about 6 weeks ago, I said I would do it with him, as I really truly did feel better when I did it right. So, now here we are, veggies in a house full of carnivores and they now have to live around our life style. I do make meat occasionally, since they all hate beans, but they do get many more meatless meals! My problem is meat subs and sometimes even tofu cause me migraines, they are a trigger, so it does get tricky at times...so I would love any suggestions anyone has. I would say to go slowly on the beans and add them back in smaller doses, they usually seem to be the culprit! Best of luck! Johnna SeveralSpecies <severalspecies01 Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:52:18 PM Re: I want to go vego (again) but need a hand... Oh man - I wish I could help. My " return " to vegetarianism in my early twenties was quite sudden and quite tumultuous but I had no negative side effects at all. That was about two and half decades ago, I remember being quite bewildered but I had no physical problems at all. It never occurred to me that there could be problems until I started with this group. I guess I was lucky. Hang in there Bro or Sis! SeveralSpecies P.S. I wonder if you committed to a lengthy (say ten day) juice fast and came out of that eating veggie, how that would effect your transition. (I know - I pretty much don't approach anything with subtlety - a blessing and a curse perhaps?) born_of_beltane <mysteriousdarkness@ hotmail.com> wrote: .. or some handy hints. Basically what happened last time i went vego was.. i got sick. hmph. I think it was all the beans, and all the extra veggies i probably didn't have as a meat-eater (don't get me wrong, i don't eat too badly as a meat-eater, but nowhere near the same amount of veggies). But yeah, the beans definately had some.. unwanted side effects no matter how i prepared or cooked them- and unfortuantely a lot of foods like tofu, tempeh, seitan seemed to have similar effects. Maybe all the added fibre and strange foods just threw me out, but yeah, not a morning went by during my 2 months as a vego where i didn't wake up with.. um.. bowel problems- to put it lightly. Anyway, any hints or ideas? I do miss being a vego... ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Hi All, I feel for you, born_of_beltane! I also got sick when I tried to go vegan years ago (but that's another story!). I wonder, have you tried meat substitutes like veggie burgers (I like the Morningstar Farms' line myself)? This might be an easy place to start if you can't get into all of the tofu main dishes! Also, see if you can make veggie adaptations of stuff that you already love to eat (e.g., pizza, chili, etc.). Hope this helps! --April , " born_of_beltane " <mysteriousdarkness wrote: > > .. or some handy hints. > > Basically what happened last time i went vego was.. i got sick. hmph. > > I think it was all the beans, and all the extra veggies i probably > didn't have as a meat-eater (don't get me wrong, i don't eat too badly > as a meat-eater, but nowhere near the same amount of veggies). > > But yeah, the beans definately had some.. unwanted side effects no > matter how i prepared or cooked them- and unfortuantely a lot of foods > like tofu, tempeh, seitan seemed to have similar effects. Maybe all the > added fibre and strange foods just threw me out, but yeah, not a > morning went by during my 2 months as a vego where i didn't wake up > with.. um.. bowel problems- to put it lightly. > > Anyway, any hints or ideas? I do miss being a vego... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Hi Johnna: The most important thing about a vegetarian diet-acually it's important to think of it as NOT a diet, but a lifestyle-is to remember ALL 5 of the sources of a well-balance food regimen. These are fruits, vegatables, grains, legumes/lentils(if beans give you a headache this could mean a minor allergy to them, so something like chickpeas would be a good substitute), and nuts. It is recommended that you try to get these in every day. Also on the grains, of which rice is one, go for the whole wheat long grain rice, as white rice is bleached and processed and therefore has all the nutrients removed from it. Also I'd like to add that I'm PROUD of you for trying to eat compassionately again--and it sounds like you've got a heck of a kid there to help motivate you---KUDOS to him, even if the primary reason you are getting off of meat is for health reasons. Good luck and please keep us posted on how it's going! Johnna Duke <johnna_duke wrote: Hello all, I have not written or introduced myself yet, so I will take this opportunity to do so. I was a veg for a few years and enjoyed it, but I was also a lazy veg. I would make my meat eating family a meal and just eat it minus the meat, like potatoes and corn, but no protein. I simply was not getting enough and when I had surgery, my surgeon insisted that I eat meat at least for awhile..I did and stayed on meat for years. My life went to pot! I started smoking again, gained lots of weight! a mess! I lost the weight while still eating meat, but my son who is 13 and a little activist wanted to go vegetarian about 6 weeks ago, I said I would do it with him, as I really truly did feel better when I did it right. So, now here we are, veggies in a house full of carnivores and they now have to live around our life style. I do make meat occasionally, since they all hate beans, but they do get many more meatless meals! My problem is meat subs and sometimes even tofu cause me migraines, they are a trigger, so it does get tricky at times...so I would love any suggestions anyone has. I would say to go slowly on the beans and add them back in smaller doses, they usually seem to be the culprit! Best of luck! Johnna SeveralSpecies <severalspecies01 Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:52:18 PM Re: I want to go vego (again) but need a hand... Oh man - I wish I could help. My " return " to vegetarianism in my early twenties was quite sudden and quite tumultuous but I had no negative side effects at all. That was about two and half decades ago, I remember being quite bewildered but I had no physical problems at all. It never occurred to me that there could be problems until I started with this group. I guess I was lucky. Hang in there Bro or Sis! SeveralSpecies P.S. I wonder if you committed to a lengthy (say ten day) juice fast and came out of that eating veggie, how that would effect your transition. (I know - I pretty much don't approach anything with subtlety - a blessing and a curse perhaps?) born_of_beltane <mysteriousdarkness@ hotmail.com> wrote: ... or some handy hints. Basically what happened last time i went vego was.. i got sick. hmph. I think it was all the beans, and all the extra veggies i probably didn't have as a meat-eater (don't get me wrong, i don't eat too badly as a meat-eater, but nowhere near the same amount of veggies). But yeah, the beans definately had some.. unwanted side effects no matter how i prepared or cooked them- and unfortuantely a lot of foods like tofu, tempeh, seitan seemed to have similar effects. Maybe all the added fibre and strange foods just threw me out, but yeah, not a morning went by during my 2 months as a vego where i didn't wake up with.. um.. bowel problems- to put it lightly. Anyway, any hints or ideas? I do miss being a vego... ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 , " born_of_beltane " <mysteriousdarkness wrote: > > .. or some handy hints. > > Basically what happened last time i went vego was.. i got sick. hmph. > > I think it was all the beans, and all the extra veggies i probably > didn't have as a meat-eater (don't get me wrong, i don't eat too badly > as a meat-eater, but nowhere near the same amount of veggies). > > But yeah, the beans definately had some.. unwanted side effects no > matter how i prepared or cooked them- and unfortuantely a lot of foods > like tofu, tempeh, seitan seemed to have similar effects. Maybe all the > added fibre and strange foods just threw me out, but yeah, not a > morning went by during my 2 months as a vego where i didn't wake up > with.. um.. bowel problems- to put it lightly. > > Anyway, any hints or ideas? I do miss being a vego... > I don't post here as much cause I got disrespected the last time I posted here and left the group and the founder here e-mail me personally, My moms was a vegan when she had me and my brother, you can say me and my brother were born vegans, cause my moms did not do dairy products, which why my moms have to take B-12vitamin shots and I made my business to get some B-12 vitamin and it's important in a vegan's diet, I had my legal troubles and when I go to jail I change my diet to vegan cause the meat in jail and prison is not good at all, I don't eat alot of meat, if I do eat meat I eat chicken, fish, and turkey, but I eat more vegetables and fruits than meat cause it's expensive now as well as the vegetables and fruits but I rather eat vegetables and fruits than meat. While I was in prison the way I did it is one make sure that you take some vitamins especially make sure that they are mult-vitamins with Vitamin B-12, I drank tomato juice to get my body use to eat vegan and I made sure that I got some exercise 5 days a week, cause just because you are vegetarian doesn't mean you can't get fat, believe me you can get fat on a vegetarian diet, I know people in this club will say impossible, let me explain, if you eat alot of brown rice, beans, peanut butter, potatoes, etc, which is starch and if you are not careful you will be fat and I know this from experience. The reason you got sick is that you are not eat the right vegetables and fruits, you have to find vegetables to replace meat, like beans and chickpeas are good replacement for meat and you have to eat alot more than you would have if you were still a meat-eater, you have to eat a lot of vegetables and fruits to get what you need, one you have to have protein in your vegetarian diet, like chickpea, kidney beans, nuts,etc and the most important is Vitamin B-12 and you can get that from soybeans and soybean milk. You can say that I been on both side of the fence and I am struggling myself, I don't hate vegetarians or vegans at all, I am hoping that nobody in here bashes me for eating meat now and then, like I said in a post some years ago I was and now unemployed and I couldn't afford to be a full-time vegetarian and believe me being vegetarian is expensive the way the price of food is going up and if I get a good job like the people in here then I will go vegetarian and never go back. Dread Life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 I can explain why you got sick is that you were not eating enough vegetables to replace meat and not getting enough protein cause it is important in every diet especially vegetarian diet, and you have make sure that you are getting your Vitamin B-12 through mult-vitamin and foods like soybeans and soy milk, you have take you time on this cause if you rush it you will be sick. I read some books when I was locked up and I changed my diet, I had to find some vegetables to replace meat like beans, nuts, peanut butter, which has protein, and took some B-12 vitamins cause the vegan diet lack the B-12 which if you don't have it, like my moms she has to take B-12 vitamin shots cause she was a vegan when she had me and my brother, so you can say that me and my brother were born vegetarians, I got bashed in this group and in spite of me explaining my situation , I still got bashed cause I said I eat chicken, fish, and turkey, some years ago and got so upset that I left the group and the founder e-mail me and convince me to come back, I felt disrespected and I never once said I hate vegan or vegetarians, sometimes I wish I had a girlfriend or a wife that is a vegetarian.I don't eat it all the time cause I rather eat vegetables and fruits which I eat more of than meat. I want to go vego again and believe me it's a struggle, I am latose-intolent meaning that I can't have dairy products cause my moms didn't consume dairy products when she had me and my brother and the fact that I am Afro Caribbean-American with Native American in my ancestry, we didn't have latose in our diet, my culture didn't have the enyzmes to break down the latose which why I don't do alot of dairy product for that reason. Good Luck Dread Life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Hey - Dread Life, I feel no one should be disrespecting you for the way you eat. I've described myself as a militant-vegetarian - meaning I'll tend to get quite irate and in someone's face if they try to disrespect me for the way I eat. I hate ignorance as well as carnivorous behavior in people but it's important to me that people know I don't hate them. It's a fine line . . . being militant but not hateful . . . even so, I try to have fun with it. It's great running around down here!! ;-) SeveralSpecies --- micca robinson <madlion9 wrote: > I felt disrespected and I never once said I hate > vegan or vegetarians. I want to > go vego again and believe me it's a struggle, I am > latose-intolent meaning that I can't have dairy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 , " born_of_beltane " <mysteriousdarkness wrote: > > .. or some handy hints. > > Basically what happened last time i went vego was.. i got sick. hmph. ---Hi, I'm new to the group, also, but thought I'd give my input. I have no idea how you are eating NOW, which matters. I say that because even those not becoming vegetarians, who join weight watchers, might experience problems, just because they are used to burgers and fries, and there body doesn't know what to do with all those fresh fruits and veggies. I joined weight watchers last June, and so my body has had quite a while to go thru adjusting to a better diet. We were never big meat eaters, and always ate a good balance of frt and veggies, but I'd have to say 3 things lined up that caused the switch to occur. 1. I've been watching You Are What You Eat, on BBC 2. My husband went on a business trip (just me to feed) 3. I went into the aisle to buy frozen diet dinners, and noticed the Gardenburgers and Morning Star products beside them. Some of these products are Vegan, all are vegetarian. Look for cheese in some of the Morning Star, particularly, if you think that's a problem. The Gardenburger actually has a VEGAN little bubble, in green on quite a few of their products. Work on replacing meat a little at a time, because it will take you some time to make sure what things don't bother you. Like, stop eating red meat right now, and make white chicken meat and fish your only meats as you transfer. That's what our meats were 99% of the time, but we only ate like 1-3 oz a day, usually at supper time. Sometimes, we'd have no meat and just have a salad with egg or rice with egg cooked in. The salad had nany other things on it, like baby carrots, onion, cherry tomatoes, olives, nuts. But while my husband was gone, and I found these products, I realized I hadn't eaten any meat at all while he was gone, and actually felt much better, so haven't returned to them. So, slowly add these products, but only one at a time. I mean, if you eat a plate of one of these burgers AND beans, you won't know which one bothered you. So start by trying this vegan one (no cheese), that I have the box on and can see it says vegan: Gardenburger Black Bean Chipotle I usually eat this with a couple of tortilla chips crunched on my plate, some FAT FREE refried beans that I've added safflower to as I cooked them (if you buy not fat free, it's animal fat, the bad kind, which I replaced with the heart healthy kind), and a nice serving of a bagged salad, with Newman's Pineapple Salsa over top the salad and beans. But, instead, try a corn on the cobb, or some of those Mex corn in the can that has the little peppers in it, and a salad. Don't eat beans yet until you have tested the burger. In Walmart these are in the same freezer section as diet frozen dinners. In my Kroger, they were in the organics freezer, next to the produce department. Later, if you make canned beans, be sure to drain and rinse them to make them less gaseous. Don't go wild eating brocolli and cawliflower by the pound, fresh, if you aren't used to doing that kind of thing. Make changes slowly, it worked for me, and I have a touchy intestinal track. If you eat bread all the time, and have no problem, then you are not allergic to wheat, so go ahead and switch white bread to whole wheat. If you are watching your weight, choose weight watchers whole wheat - I love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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