Soy Alert

[Guest guest]

Well, it looks like I managed to get the Soy Alert article posted to

the files. I hope it is ok. I would be interested in any discussion.

 

Thanks

 

Bridget

[Guest guest]

This alert is by Westin Price Foundation.. I understand they also don't think

vegetarianism is particularly healthy.  They especially feel vegans develop

problems from their food plan.

I would be wondering how accurate their soy alert is.  ? ?   They criticize Dr.

Andrew Weil for recommending soy. ?

 

--- On Sat, 8/16/08, bridgetcuddie06 <bridget wrote:

 

bridgetcuddie06 <bridget

Soy Alert

 

Saturday, August 16, 2008, 9:27 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, it looks like I managed to get the Soy Alert article posted to

the files. I hope it is ok. I would be interested in any discussion.

 

Thanks

 

Bridget

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I've heard of this foundation and yes they are basically anti-vegetarian. I

recently heard that, interestingly enough, the foundation is essentially made up

of FARMERS who have NO medical background and know nothing about nutrition, so

since soy is one of the vegetarian/vegan staple food sources/nutrients, they are

of course going to be against it--they are BIG supporters/cheerleaders for the

meat and dairy industries!!

Besides, according to the link I gave, alot of the soy documentation is based

on RAT studies, where they were given outrageous amounts of soy in order to

develop problems, not to mention they're systems are totally different from

ours.

Yet Asians eat soy all the time and look at how much better health they are in

than we are.

 

 

echolike <echolike wrote:

 

This alert is by Westin Price Foundation.. I understand they also don't think

vegetarianism is particularly healthy. They especially feel vegans develop

problems from their food plan.

I would be wondering how accurate their soy alert is. ? ? They criticize Dr.

Andrew Weil for recommending soy. ?

 

--- On Sat, 8/16/08, bridgetcuddie06 <bridget wrote:

 

bridgetcuddie06 <bridget

Soy Alert

 

Saturday, August 16, 2008, 9:27 AM

 

Well, it looks like I managed to get the Soy Alert article posted to

the files. I hope it is ok. I would be interested in any discussion.

 

Thanks

 

Bridget

 

 

[Guest guest]

That is true, but it does not fully discredit the report. I mean, now they

warn against ingesting soy by those who are have a high risk of thyroid and

breast cancers. That says something.

 

Kerri

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Asians actually eat very little soy.

 

Kerri

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Good points. I didn't know that about the foundation. Thanks

 

 

 

Bridget

 

 

 

" Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at different

speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing. "

--William James

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Lisamarie Dean

Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:20 AM

 

Re: Soy Alert

 

 

 

I've heard of this foundation and yes they are basically anti-vegetarian. I

recently heard that, interestingly enough, the foundation is essentially

made up of FARMERS who have NO medical background and know nothing about

nutrition, so since soy is one of the vegetarian/vegan staple food

sources/nutrients, they are of course going to be against it--they are BIG

supporters/cheerleaders for the meat and dairy industries!!

Besides, according to the link I gave, alot of the soy documentation is

based on RAT studies, where they were given outrageous amounts of soy in

order to develop problems, not to mention they're systems are totally

different from ours.

Yet Asians eat soy all the time and look at how much better health they are

in than we are.

 

 

echolike <echolike <echolike%40> > wrote:

 

This alert is by Westin Price Foundation.. I understand they also don't

think vegetarianism is particularly healthy. They especially feel vegans

develop problems from their food plan.

I would be wondering how accurate their soy alert is. ? ? They criticize Dr.

Andrew Weil for recommending soy. ?

 

--- On Sat, 8/16/08, bridgetcuddie06 <bridget

<bridget%40imagineoregon.com> > wrote:

 

bridgetcuddie06 <bridget

<bridget%40imagineoregon.com> >

Soy Alert

 

<%40>

Saturday, August 16, 2008, 9:27 AM

 

Well, it looks like I managed to get the Soy Alert article posted to

the files. I hope it is ok. I would be interested in any discussion.

 

Thanks

 

Bridget

 

 

[Guest guest]

My friend that lives in Japan, says that Tofu is a huge part of the diet there.

It comes in many different flavors and available most any place.

And they were in a report on National Geographic that talked about their

longevity and that was one of the comments.

Judy

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Kerri L-J

Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:46 PM

Re: Soy Alert

 

 

Asians actually eat very little soy.

 

Kerri

 

[Guest guest]

Interesting. I have a couple of friends from Japan and China and soy

is hardly ever eaten. I didn't eat any while there either. Honestly, I

don't recall seeing it on the menu, but we were eating sushi mostly.

 

 

On 8/16/08, wwjd <jtwigg wrote:

> My friend that lives in Japan, says that Tofu is a huge part of the diet

> there. It comes in many different flavors and available most any place.

> And they were in a report on National Geographic that talked about their

> longevity and that was one of the comments.

> Judy

> -

> Kerri L-J

>

> Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:46 PM

> Re: Soy Alert

>

>

> Asians actually eat very little soy.

>

> Kerri

>

>

[Guest guest]

Asians do eat a lot of soy, but it is mostly unprocessed (edamame),

fermented (miso), or minimally processed (tofu, which is often also

fermented). They also eat huge amounts of fish, to the point where Japan is

the largest consumer of fish in the world. The foundation does not claim

that the soy products mentioned above are bad. What they say, and it may be

worth listening, is that highly processed soy is unhealthy. In particular,

they warn that eating highly processed soy practically with every meal, as

is the case with many vegans, is unhealthy. Perhaps it would be wise to read

the report before discrediting it, instead of just killing the messenger.

 

Iza

 

On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 8:52 PM, wwjd <jtwigg wrote:

 

> My friend that lives in Japan, says that Tofu is a huge part of the diet

> there. It comes in many different flavors and available most any place.

> And they were in a report on National Geographic that talked about their

> longevity and that was one of the comments.

> Judy

>

> -

> Kerri L-J

> <%40>

> Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:46 PM

> Re: Soy Alert

>

> Asians actually eat very little soy.

>

> Kerri

>

>

[Guest guest]

That makes sense Iza. It goes along with what I have read elsewhere. Thank

you for the additional information. I called my friend to get her take, but

she has not called back yet. It must be that my friends in particular were

just not big soy eaters and I was wrong with my assumption, and when I

visted Japan, all I ate was fish.

 

The only soy I am currently ingesting is Silk Soy Milk (about 8oz a day,

sometimes 16oz) and whatever soy additives are included in some " ready-made "

foods. I would be interested in the risks, if any, those items pose. Can

anyone offer a reliable website that itemizes the pro's & con's for soy

foods?

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Did you check out the link that I gave? There aren't really any pros and cons,

specifically, but about 3 other links are offered in addition to the piece it

takes you to about soy.

 

Kerri L-J <kdljones wrote: That makes sense Iza. It goes

along with what I have read elsewhere. Thank

you for the additional information. I called my friend to get her take, but

she has not called back yet. It must be that my friends in particular were

just not big soy eaters and I was wrong with my assumption, and when I

visted Japan, all I ate was fish.

 

The only soy I am currently ingesting is Silk Soy Milk (about 8oz a day,

sometimes 16oz) and whatever soy additives are included in some " ready-made "

foods. I would be interested in the risks, if any, those items pose. Can

anyone offer a reliable website that itemizes the pro's & con's for soy

foods?

 

 

[Guest guest]

I looked at this article, and I also read the home page of the Westin

Price foundation, which published it. The foundation believes that

humans must eat animals in order to be healthy. They come into this

debate with a bias. Taking their advice about the " dangers " of soy is a

little like relying on RJ Reynolds to inform you about the risks of

smoking.

 

Here's a link to an article about soy from the FDA, that US government

agency that regulates food and medicine claims. They find soy to be

healthy, and question its use only in the form of supplements. They also

talk about specific issues that have been raised about soy, and discuss

that research is inconclusive on claims of danger.

 

http://www.fda.gov/Fdac/features/2000/300_soy.html

 

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to make a tofu-fruit smoothie for

breakfast :-)

 

Cheers,

 

Trish

[Guest guest]

I didn't. I personally believe an excess of soy is unhealthy and am

not really looking for more rat studies, which I assumed was what the

link was for. I am more interested in detailed information on the

processing of soy additives and milks in American products. I will

check it out.

 

Thanks!

 

Kerri

 

On 8/17/08, Lisamarie Dean <antcheek wrote:

> Did you check out the link that I gave? There aren't really any pros and

> cons, specifically, but about 3 other links are offered in addition to the

> piece it takes you to about soy.

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, I don't trust the FDA. Many of their approved items

have claimed lives.

 

It is just too hard to find the truth, especially when every person

processes food and toxins differently. It is all about DNA, I think.

 

Kerri

 

On 8/17/08, Kerri L-J <kdljones wrote:

> I didn't. I personally believe an excess of soy is unhealthy and am

> not really looking for more rat studies, which I assumed was what the

> link was for. I am more interested in detailed information on the

> processing of soy additives and milks in American products. I will

> check it out.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Kerri

>

> On 8/17/08, Lisamarie Dean <antcheek wrote:

>> Did you check out the link that I gave? There aren't really any pros and

>> cons, specifically, but about 3 other links are offered in addition to the

>> piece it takes you to about soy.

>>

>> Kerri L-J <kdljones wrote: That makes sense Iza. It

>> goes

>> along with what I have read elsewhere. Thank

>> you for the additional information. I called my friend to get her take,

>> but

>> she has not called back yet. It must be that my friends in particular were

>> just not big soy eaters and I was wrong with my assumption, and when I

>> visted Japan, all I ate was fish.

>>

>> The only soy I am currently ingesting is Silk Soy Milk (about 8oz a day,

>> sometimes 16oz) and whatever soy additives are included in some

>> " ready-made "

>> foods. I would be interested in the risks, if any, those items pose. Can

>> anyone offer a reliable website that itemizes the pro's & con's for soy

>> foods?

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

For a vegan point of view, you may want to check this blog entry and the

responses below:

 

http://veganlunchbox.blogspot.com/2008/07/again-with-soy-controversy.html

 

Although the author is no nutritionist or scientist, just a regular vegan

woman who has a website on veganism and has written a vegan recipe book. She

does not come to any conclusions or makes any claims, so don't expect to

find any answers here; but the value I see in the entry (and the reason why

I am sending the link) is that it does spell out the fact that soy,

particularly in " unrecognizable " form, is often heavily used by vegetarians

and vegans and that such practice may be questionable from a health

viewpoint.

 

Iza

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Right. The old moderation in all things.

 

 

 

Bridget

 

 

 

" Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at different

speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing. "

--William James

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Izaskun Milani

Orkwis

Sunday, August 17, 2008 3:52 PM

 

Re: Soy Alert

 

 

 

For a vegan point of view, you may want to check this blog entry and the

responses below:

 

http://veganlunchbox.blogspot.com/2008/07/again-with-soy-controversy.html

 

Although the author is no nutritionist or scientist, just a regular vegan

woman who has a website on veganism and has written a vegan recipe book. She

does not come to any conclusions or makes any claims, so don't expect to

find any answers here; but the value I see in the entry (and the reason why

I am sending the link) is that it does spell out the fact that soy,

particularly in " unrecognizable " form, is often heavily used by vegetarians

and vegans and that such practice may be questionable from a health

viewpoint.

 

Iza

 

 

[Guest guest]

I don't blame you there. I take the FDA with a grain of salt myself.

I know all the different kinds of info out there about nutrition is confusing,

esp with people being so mislead about meat and dairy, thinking those products

are actually good for them, which is of course just what those industries want

them to believe.

But the research and evidence that they are NOT good for you IS out there;

it's just a question of finding it.

One book I HIGHLY recommend is " The China Study " , by T. Colin Campbell. Dr.

Campbell is a nutrition biochemist from Cornell U, who did a several-year long

study on the link between animal protein and cancer as well as other disease

risks.

Not only that but you get some ideas from him, too, as to why it's been so

hard to sell the plant-based/vegan idea to the general public, and why it's so

hard to get that info out to everyone.

It seems the meat and dairy industries have some VERY strong politcal power,

unfortunately, to the point where they even seem to have control over what our

own government does and does not let the public know about--it's just sad, VERY

sad!

[Guest guest]

The links are NOT on rat studies. Yes they are worth checking out, I think, and

yes an excess of soy can be risky, but I think taken in moderation it does have

its benefits.

 

Kerri L-J <kdljones wrote: I didn't. I personally believe an

excess of soy is unhealthy and am

not really looking for more rat studies, which I assumed was what the

link was for. I am more interested in detailed information on the

processing of soy additives and milks in American products. I will

check it out.

Thanks!

Kerri

[Guest guest]

Ok, thanks. I plan to check the link you sent later today.

 

Kerri

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I believe it about the milk and meat industries!!! I personally, though I

ate it before being diagnosed allergic, believe dairy is terrible for human

consumption. It is just my diet is so limiting that sometime I have to make

exceptions when I would not normally even consider it.

 

I went Vegan under a Vegan Nutritionist and Naturopath (two seperate

individuals) direction a couple of years ago, and became very, very ill.

Sadly, it seems my body requires high levels of protein, and I have a

difficult time digesting carbs, thus the bean issue, and I cannot mix ANY

form of sugar with fruit, so I am very much at the mercy of the food I want

to eat and the food I can eat. I have researched soy to a large extent and

came to the conclusion that I feel comfortable limiting it to one or two

servings max per day. The good news is, you can manage without meat,

poultry, and fish even under these restrictions, I just have to be creative.

=)