QOTW: What are you having for Christmas dinner?

[Guest guest]

Question of the week for Dec 21st -27th, 2008:

 

1. What are you planning to have for dinner on

Christmas?

[Guest guest]

I am sleeping most of the day as I work nights, but one of the girls I work

with, she will be bringing me food from her dinner.  Course Im sure there will

be meat on it, but since I get no Christmas this year, Im not going to have

ahissy fit, lol.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

~ PT ~ <patchouli_troll

 

Sunday, December 21, 2008 1:50:58 PM

QOTW: What are you having for Christmas dinner?

 

 

Question of the week for Dec 21st -27th, 2008:

 

1. What are you planning to have for dinner on

Christmas?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

It has become my tradition to make Indian food for

Xmas. I know for sure I will be make Samosas,

tamarind chutney, cilantro chutney, Naan bread, and

basmati rice. I am looking for a couple of entree

dishes to go with....that's one of my goals for today.

 

Susie

 

--- ~ PT ~ <patchouli_troll wrote:

 

> Question of the week for Dec 21st -27th, 2008:

>

> 1. What are you planning to have for dinner on

> Christmas?

>

>

[Guest guest]

> 1. What are you planning to have for dinner on

> Christmas?

 

I think I will have some quorn brand cutlet with

gueyer cheese, stuffing, potatoes, gravy, green bean

casserole, corn, rolls... all the fixings.

My husband and kids wanted to have some meat,

so I will make all of the sides and rest vegetarian.

The things we do for love.

I hope you all have a very merry holiday time.

 

~ PT ~

[Guest guest]

It all depends on WHY one is a vegetarian: ethical?? health?? environmental??

Personally, I'm vegan for ethical reasons, so no amount of meat would be

acceptable.

I guess those who are vegetarian for mere health reasons could conceivably eat a

meal of

convenience: this might be comparable to someone who eats all organic eating a

non-

organic meal??

 

, Sheyen <ledijasheyen wrote:

  Course Im sure there will be meat on it, but since I get no Christmas this

year, Im not

going to have ahissy fit, lol.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> ~ PT ~ <patchouli_troll

>

> Sunday, December 21, 2008 1:50:58 PM

> QOTW: What are you having for Christmas dinner?

>

>

> Question of the week for Dec 21st -27th, 2008:

>

> 1. What are you planning to have for dinner on

> Christmas?

 

[Guest guest]

Yeah, but some " ethical " vegetarians still

would.

The Dalai Lama was known to do this, if he was guest

in a home and offered non-veg foods, he would graciously

accept and eat a little so as not to offend the giver.

We all have to choose our own level of comfort and

path in this regard.

 

It is a grey area though. I would not eat non-veg foods

given to me by a person who knew I was vegetarian

beforehand. BUT if I was an honored guest and a person

didn't know about my vegetarianism.... *shrugs*

I would want to honor the giver by accepting the gift

in a spirit of thankfulness. That is just my path though,

and I cast no judgement on anyone else's path.

Just sharing a different point of view....

Namaste

 

~ PT ~

 

" If there is a heaven, it's certain our animals are to be there.

Their lives become so interwoven with our own,

it would take more than an archangel to detangle them. "

~ Pam Brown

``````````````````````````````````````

, " ddog2771 " <brighter wrote:

>

> It all depends on WHY one is a vegetarian: ethical?? health?? environmental??

> Personally, I'm vegan for ethical reasons, so no amount of meat would be

acceptable.

> I guess those who are vegetarian for mere health reasons could conceivably eat

a meal

of

> convenience: this might be comparable to someone who eats all organic eating a

non-

> organic meal??

>

> , Sheyen <ledijasheyen@> wrote:

>   Course Im sure there will be meat on it, but since I get no Christmas this

year, Im not

> going to have ahissy fit, lol.

[Guest guest]

We always say we will NOT but you never know what situation you may

cross your life. I was stuck in a building for over 24 hrs in a riot

here in Los Angeles and you better believe I picked that pepperoni

and sausage off old pizza in the fridge at work, heated the pizza and

never felt so thankful for food in my life.

Donna

 

 

, " ~ PT ~ "

<patchouli_troll wrote:

>

> Yeah, but some " ethical " vegetarians still

> would.

> The Dalai Lama was known to do this, if he was guest

> in a home and offered non-veg foods, he would graciously

> accept and eat a little so as not to offend the giver.

> We all have to choose our own level of comfort and

> path in this regard.

>

> It is a grey area though. I would not eat non-veg foods

> given to me by a person who knew I was vegetarian

> beforehand. BUT if I was an honored guest and a person

> didn't know about my vegetarianism.... *shrugs*

> I would want to honor the giver by accepting the gift

> in a spirit of thankfulness. That is just my path though,

> and I cast no judgement on anyone else's path.

> Just sharing a different point of view....

> Namaste

>

> ~ PT ~

>

> " If there is a heaven, it's certain our animals are to be there.

> Their lives become so interwoven with our own,

> it would take more than an archangel to detangle them. "

> ~ Pam Brown

> ``````````````````````````````````````

> , " ddog2771 " <brighter@>

wrote:

> >

> > It all depends on WHY one is a vegetarian: ethical?? health??

environmental??

> > Personally, I'm vegan for ethical reasons, so no amount of meat

would be acceptable.

> > I guess those who are vegetarian for mere health reasons could

conceivably eat a meal

> of

> > convenience: this might be comparable to someone who eats all

organic eating a non-

> > organic meal??

> >

> > , Sheyen <ledijasheyen@>

wrote:

> >   Course Im sure there will be meat on it, but since I get no

Christmas this year, Im not

> > going to have ahissy fit, lol.

>

[Guest guest]

A true vegetarian will not eat whatever is offered just to be polite.  They

simply do not eat the flesh of animals...a value that is not to be compromised.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

~ PT ~ <patchouli_troll

 

Friday, December 26, 2008 11:54:24 AM

Re: QOTW: What are you having for Christmas

dinner?

 

 

Yeah, but some " ethical " vegetarians still

would.

The Dalai Lama was known to do this, if he was guest

in a home and offered non-veg foods, he would graciously

accept and eat a little so as not to offend the giver.

We all have to choose our own level of comfort and

path in this regard.

 

It is a grey area though. I would not eat non-veg foods

given to me by a person who knew I was vegetarian

beforehand. BUT if I was an honored guest and a person

didn't know about my vegetarianism. ... *shrugs*

I would want to honor the giver by accepting the gift

in a spirit of thankfulness. That is just my path though,

and I cast no judgement on anyone else's path.

Just sharing a different point of view....

Namaste

 

~ PT ~

 

" If there is a heaven, it's certain our animals are to be there.

Their lives become so interwoven with our own,

it would take more than an archangel to detangle them. "

~ Pam Brown

```````````` ````````` ````````` ````````

, " ddog2771 " <brighter@.. .> wrote:

>

> It all depends on WHY one is a vegetarian: ethical?? health?? environmental? ?

> Personally, I'm vegan for ethical reasons, so no amount of meat would be

acceptable.

> I guess those who are vegetarian for mere health reasons could conceivably eat

a meal

of

> convenience: this might be comparable to someone who eats all organic eating a

non-

> organic meal??

>

> , Sheyen <ledijasheyen@ > wrote:

>   Course Im sure there will be meat on it, but since I get no Christmas this

year, Im not

> going to have ahissy fit, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I don't think that is a fair statement. No one is

perfect. We all do the best we can based on the

circumstances that we face. There is no right or

wrong. There cannot be a black and white definition

of what is a vegetarian.

 

Susie

 

--- echolike <echolike wrote:

 

> A true vegetarian will not eat whatever is offered

> just to be polite.  They simply do not eat the flesh

> of animals...a value that is not to be compromised.

> ________________________________

> ~ PT ~ <patchouli_troll

>

> Friday, December 26, 2008 11:54:24 AM

> Re: QOTW: What are you

> having for Christmas dinner?

>

>

> Yeah, but some " ethical " vegetarians still

> would.

> The Dalai Lama was known to do this, if he was guest

> in a home and offered non-veg foods, he would

> graciously

> accept and eat a little so as not to offend the

> giver.

> We all have to choose our own level of comfort and

> path in this regard.

>

> It is a grey area though. I would not eat non-veg

> foods

> given to me by a person who knew I was vegetarian

> beforehand. BUT if I was an honored guest and a

> person

> didn't know about my vegetarianism. ... *shrugs*

> I would want to honor the giver by accepting the

> gift

> in a spirit of thankfulness. That is just my path

> though,

> and I cast no judgement on anyone else's path.

> Just sharing a different point of view....

> Namaste

>

> ~ PT ~

[Guest guest]

I am a vegetarian and that statement is fair and true coming from me. 

Vegetarians do not contend that they are prefect.  You are missing the point.

It is not just about right or wrong.  It is about personal values and feelings. 

That is precisely why vegetarians usually don't try to convert others...because

it is one of those personal decisions.  It is comfortable for us.  It is our

decision and our chosen way of life.  My point was....a dedicated vegetarian

will not eat meat to be sociable and polite.  Just like anyone else...Most

people will only eat what they want to eat...vegetarian or not.  Can you agree

with that?

 

 

 

 

________________________________

" artichoke72x " <artichoke72x

 

Friday, December 26, 2008 3:35:38 PM

Re: Re: QOTW: What are you having for Christmas

dinner?

 

 

I don't think that is a fair statement. No one is

perfect. We all do the best we can based on the

circumstances that we face. There is no right or

wrong. There cannot be a black and white definition

of what is a vegetarian.

 

Susie

 

--- echolike <echolike > wrote:

 

> A true vegetarian will not eat whatever is offered

> just to be polite.  They simply do not eat the flesh

> of animals...a value that is not to be compromised.

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> ~ PT ~ <patchouli_troll@ >

>

> Friday, December 26, 2008 11:54:24 AM

> Re: QOTW: What are you

> having for Christmas dinner?

>

>

> Yeah, but some " ethical " vegetarians still

> would.

> The Dalai Lama was known to do this, if he was guest

> in a home and offered non-veg foods, he would

> graciously

> accept and eat a little so as not to offend the

> giver.

> We all have to choose our own level of comfort and

> path in this regard.

>

> It is a grey area though. I would not eat non-veg

> foods

> given to me by a person who knew I was vegetarian

> beforehand. BUT if I was an honored guest and a

> person

> didn't know about my vegetarianism. ... *shrugs*

> I would want to honor the giver by accepting the

> gift

> in a spirit of thankfulness. That is just my path

> though,

> and I cast no judgement on anyone else's path.

> Just sharing a different point of view....

> Namaste

>

> ~ PT ~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Guess I am not a " true " vegetarian in your eyes

then am I? *shrugs* Oh well.

We are not here to judge or be harsh.

 

Share a nice vegetarian recipe, k?

 

~ PT ~

 

There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden,

but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. 

~Minnie Aumonier

````````````````````````````

, echolike <echolike wrote:

>

> A true vegetarian will not eat whatever is offered just to be polite.  They

simply do not

eat the flesh of animals...a value that is not to be compromised.

[Guest guest]

What you are " in my eyes " doesn't matter!  How YOU feel about you is all that

matters. 

 

One of my favorite things is falafel...but I don't have a good recipe for it

yet...I have been buying it from a middle eastern eatery.  I will make that one

of my resolutions for 2009...to research and find a good recipe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

~ PT ~ <patchouli_troll

 

Friday, December 26, 2008 4:19:49 PM

Re: QOTW: What are you having for Christmas

dinner?

 

 

Guess I am not a " true " vegetarian in your eyes

then am I? *shrugs* Oh well.

We are not here to judge or be harsh.

 

Share a nice vegetarian recipe, k?

 

~ PT ~

 

There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden,

but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. 

~Minnie Aumonier

```````````` ````````` ```````

, echolike <echolike@.. .> wrote:

>

> A true vegetarian will not eat whatever is offered just to be polite.  They

simply do not

eat the flesh of animals...a value that is not to be compromised.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I agree Susie. I am vegan for the most part, but I do " cheat " at times. I will

not buy meat, but over the years I have decided that when meat is going to be

thrown away, (say by a neighbor) I will take it home for my dogs, and since I

still enjoy the taste of meat, I will sometimes eat meat if I know it is going

to be wasted.

 

I gradually became a vegetarian and eventually vegan because I could not stand

the thought of animals spending their entire lives in confinement and misery

(before being inhumanely killed) just so I could eat them for dinner one night.

The only thing that is worse for me to stomach, is for an animal to sacrifice

it's life in vain.

 

Tia-Lisa

 

-------------- Original message --------------

" artichoke72x " <artichoke72x

I don't think that is a fair statement. No one is

perfect. We all do the best we can based on the

circumstances that we face. There is no right or

wrong. There cannot be a black and white definition

of what is a vegetarian.

 

Susie

 

--- echolike <echolike wrote:

 

> A true vegetarian will not eat whatever is offered

> just to be polite. They simply do not eat the flesh

> of animals...a value that is not to be compromised.

> ________________________________

> ~ PT ~ <patchouli_troll

>

> Friday, December 26, 2008 11:54:24 AM

> Re: QOTW: What are you

> having for Christmas dinner?

>

>

> Yeah, but some " ethical " vegetarians still

> would.

> The Dalai Lama was known to do this, if he was guest

> in a home and offered non-veg foods, he would

> graciously

> accept and eat a little so as not to offend the

> giver.

> We all have to choose our own level of comfort and

> path in this regard.

>

> It is a grey area though. I would not eat non-veg

> foods

> given to me by a person who knew I was vegetarian

> beforehand. BUT if I was an honored guest and a

> person

> didn't know about my vegetarianism. ... *shrugs*

> I would want to honor the giver by accepting the

> gift

> in a spirit of thankfulness. That is just my path

> though,

> and I cast no judgement on anyone else's path.

> Just sharing a different point of view....

> Namaste

>

> ~ PT ~

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Okay, then I would not have eaten at all last night.  This is what was on the

plate.  Two deviled eggs, and potato salad (I dont eat eggs, so neither were

eaten)  two slices of ham with lettuce, tomatoes and cheese........she forgot

the bread.  So I just wrapped a slice of cheese around the lettuce. 

Lasagna......Okay I ate that......and baked beans.....and I ate the baked

beans.  Im not too strict with myself with being vegetarian.  Just cant always

seem to stick to it.  SO, I just do whatever and eat meatless for a few days,

because I do notice my body does better when I go meatless.  The girl that

brought me the food, she and I are talking about moving in together.  We are

both needing roommates.  So when we move in together, I will explain more of my

meatless attitude, but til then, well, I just accept that the world isnt

meatless.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

echolike <echolike

 

Friday, December 26, 2008 2:46:36 PM

Re: Re: QOTW: What are you having for Christmas

dinner?

 

 

A true vegetarian will not eat whatever is offered just to be polite.  They

simply do not eat the flesh of animals...a value that is not to be compromised.

 

____________ _________ _________ __

~ PT ~ <patchouli_troll@ >

 

Friday, December 26, 2008 11:54:24 AM

Re: QOTW: What are you having for Christmas

dinner?

 

Yeah, but some " ethical " vegetarians still

would.

The Dalai Lama was known to do this, if he was guest

in a home and offered non-veg foods, he would graciously

accept and eat a little so as not to offend the giver.

We all have to choose our own level of comfort and

path in this regard.

 

It is a grey area though. I would not eat non-veg foods

given to me by a person who knew I was vegetarian

beforehand. BUT if I was an honored guest and a person

didn't know about my vegetarianism. ... *shrugs*

I would want to honor the giver by accepting the gift

in a spirit of thankfulness. That is just my path though,

and I cast no judgement on anyone else's path.

Just sharing a different point of view....

Namaste

 

~ PT ~

 

" If there is a heaven, it's certain our animals are to be there.

Their lives become so interwoven with our own,

it would take more than an archangel to detangle them. "

~ Pam Brown

```````````` ````````` ````````` ````````

, " ddog2771 " <brighter@.. .> wrote:

>

> It all depends on WHY one is a vegetarian: ethical?? health?? environmental? ?

> Personally, I'm vegan for ethical reasons, so no amount of meat would be

acceptable.

> I guess those who are vegetarian for mere health reasons could conceivably eat

a meal

of

> convenience: this might be comparable to someone who eats all organic eating a

non-

> organic meal??

>

> , Sheyen <ledijasheyen@ > wrote:

>   Course Im sure there will be meat on it, but since I get no Christmas this

year, Im not

> going to have ahissy fit, lol.

 

 

[Guest guest]

WHY aren't we here to judge??

If one thinks meat is murder, how can one not judge meat-eaters?

I realize that moral questions are not always easy to decide, but

the " go along to get along " approach just ignores morality.

 

Maybe this site was was envisioned just as a recipe-swap site, but I thought it

was

something more.

 

, " ~ PT ~ " <patchouli_troll wrote:

> We are not here to judge or be harsh.

 

> ~ PT ~

 

> , echolike <echolike@> wrote:

> >

> > A true vegetarian will not eat whatever is offered just to be polite.  They

simply do not

> eat the flesh of animals...a value that is not to be compromised.

>

[Guest guest]

Would you judge someone that is Jewish, black, Muslim, Taoist, Hinduist??  We

are here to help and support and educate eachother.  Some of us dont think that

eating meat is murder, just not a very healthful part of the diet. So we

eliminate it.  Some do it for moral reasons, others do it because they were

raised that way.  When did being a vegan/vegetarian become a relgion?  Isnt it

just a way of eating for some, a religion for others?

 

 

 

 

________________________________

ddog2771 <brighter

 

Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:36:50 AM

Re: QOTW: What are you having for Christmas

dinner?

 

 

WHY aren't we here to judge??

If one thinks meat is murder, how can one not judge meat-eaters?

I realize that moral questions are not always easy to decide, but

the " go along to get along " approach just ignores morality.

 

Maybe this site was was envisioned just as a recipe-swap site, but I thought it

was

something more.

 

, " ~ PT ~ " <patchouli_troll@ ...>

wrote:

> We are not here to judge or be harsh.

 

> ~ PT ~

 

> , echolike <echolike@> wrote:

> >

> > A true vegetarian will not eat whatever is offered just to be polite.  They

simply do not

> eat the flesh of animals...a value that is not to be compromised.

>

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I think this discussion is getting a bit out of hand. We are not here to judge

each other. We're here to be friends and enjoy a vegetarian lifestyle

 

I hope I'm not out of line with this message

 

This is the time of year when we should be thinking of peace and understanding.

We should focus on our similarities and not our differences.

 

JMHO

 

Audrey

 

 

[Guest guest]

You are not out of hand at all, Audrey.

Speaking as this group's owner, you express my

sentiments exactly.

Any further debate of this topic should go offlist.

We are not here to harm eachother with out words

just because we may feel our opinions must be heard.

 

TFV list is a list where many different types of vegetarians

can come together and share in the spirit of kindness.

Oh, and for the poster that asked in a previous post if

this list was envisioned as a recipe sharing group, yes

it is. TFV is a group set up to encourage and to share

wonderful vegetarian recipes. If you want a vegetarian

debate forum, there are plenty out there. I will not let this

group be overtaken as a debate forum. Thank you.

 

~ PT ~

*moderator*

 

 

, " Audrey Z Burrows " <quiltbug

wrote:

>

> I think this discussion is getting a bit out of hand. We are not here to

judge each other.

We're here to be friends and enjoy a vegetarian lifestyle

>

> I hope I'm not out of line with this message

>

> This is the time of year when we should be thinking of peace and

understanding. We

should focus on our similarities and not our differences.

>

> JMHO

>

> Audrey

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here, here!! I am ready to remove myself from this group, to be honest. I was

looking for holiday recipies and got a dose of self righteousness and moral

superiority instead. Too much.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 

 

" ~ PT ~ " <patchouli_troll

 

Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:30:36

 

Re: QOTW: What are you having for Christmas

dinner?

 

 

You are not out of hand at all, Audrey.

Speaking as this group's owner, you express my

sentiments exactly.

Any further debate of this topic should go offlist.

We are not here to harm eachother with out words

just because we may feel our opinions must be heard.

 

TFV list is a list where many different types of vegetarians

can come together and share in the spirit of kindness.

Oh, and for the poster that asked in a previous post if

this list was envisioned as a recipe sharing group, yes

it is. TFV is a group set up to encourage and to share

wonderful vegetarian recipes. If you want a vegetarian

debate forum, there are plenty out there. I will not let this

group be overtaken as a debate forum. Thank you.

 

~ PT ~

*moderator*

 

 

, " Audrey Z Burrows " <quiltbug

wrote:

>

> I think this discussion is getting a bit out of hand. We are not here to

judge each other.

We're here to be friends and enjoy a vegetarian lifestyle

>

> I hope I'm not out of line with this message

>

> This is the time of year when we should be thinking of peace and

understanding. We

should focus on our similarities and not our differences.

>

> JMHO

>

> Audrey

>

>

[Guest guest]

point number one: in your original reply, you said " a true vegetarian " ,

implying that anyone who does not feel as strongly as you on the subject is

something less.

 

point number two: as many here have stated, people choose a vegetarian

lifestyle for an assortment of reasons. it doesn't make any one less

" dedicated " than another. so no, i cannot agree with you.

 

xoxo,

^8^ Reni ^8^

 

when I'm with someone, I just want space to breathe;

and when I'm alone, I just want someone to breathe into.

 

On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 5:08 PM, echolike <echolike wrote:

 

> I am a vegetarian and that statement is fair and true coming from me.

> Vegetarians do not contend that they are prefect. You are missing the

> point.

> It is not just about right or wrong. It is about personal values and

> feelings. That is precisely why vegetarians usually don't try to convert

> others...because it is one of those personal decisions. It is comfortable

> for us. It is our decision and our chosen way of life. My point was....a

> dedicated vegetarian will not eat meat to be sociable and polite. Just like

> anyone else...Most people will only eat what they want to eat...vegetarian

> or not. Can you agree with that?

[Guest guest]

hello fellow BlackBerry user!

 

i actually just came across these messages a moment ago (i'm still catching

up on all the horrorday madness!). i will echo the sentiment of the

moderator and i'm sure other list members in that you should definitely

stick around. i am one of the quiet members and for what it's worth, this is

a rarity on the board. it's usually a very peaceful place where we share

recipes and opinions. personally, i say stay. it's well worth it in the end.

 

and i can dig around on my laptop for some recipes if you're looking for

something specific...

 

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 10:44 AM, <lisafallon147 wrote:

 

> Here, here!! I am ready to remove myself from this group, to be honest.

> I was looking for holiday recipies and got a dose of self righteousness and

> moral superiority instead. Too much.

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

>

 

 

--

xoxo,

 

^8^ Reni ^8^

 

when I'm with someone, I just want space to breathe;

and when I'm alone, I just want someone to breathe into.

 

http://how-to-breathe.blogspot.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

This is a little late in coming. My entire family was run through with the

stomach bug and I lost touch with the outside world for a bit. I have three

small children, and it went through our family twice, from right before

Christmas and then again right before New Years. But we did find a space in

there to have a really great Vegetarian Christmas Dinner with my side of the

family. My brother flew in from San Francisco (we live in southeast TN), which

was a major blessing. We all missed him so!

We spent an entire evening making Vietnamese Spring Rolls and a Spicy Tofu Soup.

It was such a special experience, one I will never forget. And my husband and

father, who are meat eaters, even enjoyed the food!

 

Hope you all had the best Holiday Season.