Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 You are right. What you describe will bore everyone; but one-upsmanship isn't the issue. I will comply with your request, and refrain from further confrontation with Joe and his assertions; but I have questions about the dynamic of this group. Is the group charter irrelevant? (IOW, I don't see how it is off-topic.) Isn't this group set up to discuss raw " vegan " food eating? Shouldn't those subscribing for membership adhere to the group description? tev Donna <donnachagnon wrote: Can we just let this go already and get back to being on topic? We're far too mature to continue with the one-up-on-you type postings. ____________________ The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1][http://www.urantia.org/] _____________________ TRUELOVE @ http://www.vegconnect.com/ _____________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Mail for Mobile. Get started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Hi Tev I will try answering this, I was just thinking about it. Indeed we want to discuss eating raw food and a raw food diet here, as you point out it says in the charter. But many new people are coming here, and they will definitely be going through a transition period in which they are cutting out meat and animal products from their diet. Some people will be coming here just to talk about eating raw 90% of the time, but the other 10% we don't know about they might still eat animal products. And that is fine - we should support that 90%! I think it is important for us to not accuse these new or 90% people of being murderers or question their moral aptitude when they bring up questions about meat eating. This does not provide a positive or healthy environment for learning and we would quickly find the number of participants in decline. So we must allow people to ask questions or make statements about eating animal products, or else we could never answer their questions or concerns about " not getting enough protein " and such. And then when it comes to deficiencies, well, one person might suggest getting on a supplement regimen, while another might suggest eating an animal product a few times (as I did, and certainly only in regards to b12 or D). When this happens we should NOT jump into a thread with nothing else to say except to accuse someone of being a murderer or having a poor set of values. It does not say in the charter that discussing animal products is strictly forbidden...it says nothing about animal products at all. And it does not say that to use this group you MUST think that eating meat is murder. The charter says more about taking supplements than it does about animal products, so if we wish to follow the charter to the letter of " the law " , talking about supplements is what should be forbidden. Of course, that would be ridiculous. We do not need to forbid anything whatsoever. From the charter: " This group is here to support people wanting to learn how to eat a Healthy Raw Food Diet. " Lately there has been a lot of new posters asking about eating raw food because they are just starting or getting back into it. They ARE allowed to post even though they are not yet 100% vegan. They likely HAVE been eating meat. This site is for " people wanting to learn... " . It is not a site to make implicating statements that occasional meat eaters are murderers. There are other groups for that. Cheers, and take care! Joe rawfood , tev treowlufu <goraw808 wrote: > > You are right. What you describe will bore everyone; > but one-upsmanship isn't the issue. > > I will comply with your request, and refrain from further > confrontation with Joe and his assertions; but > I have questions about the dynamic of this group. > > Is the group charter irrelevant? > (IOW, I don't see how it is off-topic.) > > Isn't this group set up to discuss raw " vegan " food > eating? > > Shouldn't those subscribing for membership > adhere to the group description? > > tev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 in my opinion, the charter is more of a guideline. It doesn't mean if someone suggest they choose to eat meat on a limited occasion they should be attacked. And no matter how strongly you feel about eating meat there is certainly a way to talk to people that isn't rude. In the end I believe everyone is here heading on the path to better health and not everyone is on the same path but are heading in the right direction. So many times on this site people are attacked for saying something. Why is that necessary? I don' t always agree 100% with what people say but I just go on. I don't feel it necessary to be rude or waste everyone's time with an on going debate.Just respect the fact someone has a different opinion. I think overall people adhere to the dynamic of the group. When someone may stray a little it certainly isn't as huge of a deal as this has turned into. tev treowlufu <goraw808 wrote: You are right. What you describe will bore everyone; but one-upsmanship isn't the issue. I will comply with your request, and refrain from further confrontation with Joe and his assertions; but I have questions about the dynamic of this group. Is the group charter irrelevant? (IOW, I don't see how it is off-topic.) Isn't this group set up to discuss raw " vegan " food eating? Shouldn't those subscribing for membership adhere to the group description? tev Donna <donnachagnon wrote: Can we just let this go already and get back to being on topic? We're far too mature to continue with the one-up-on-you type postings. ________ The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1][http://www.urantia.org/] ________ TRUELOVE @ http://www.vegconnect.com/ ________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Mail for Mobile. Get started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 There is a difference between someone who is in transition from a meat-centered diet, and someone who is advocating meateating. My initial inquiry to Joe was to determine whether he intends to respect the charter and those on the group who are here because it is a vegan group. Saying something is a guideline is cop-out. The law and the Constitution are merely guidelines because I don't want to abide by them? Sure you have your opinion. I think it is extremely rude and disrespectful to NOT abide by the charter; and then to attempt to rationalize one's disrespect of the charter with opinion. Respect the charter and the group or not. tev Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: in my opinion, the charter is more of a guideline. It doesn't mean if someone suggest they choose to eat meat on a limited occasion they should be attacked. And no matter how strongly you feel about eating meat there is certainly a way to talk to people that isn't rude. In the end I believe everyone is here heading on the path to better health and not everyone is on the same path but are heading in the right direction. So many times on this site people are attacked for saying something. Why is that necessary? I don' t always agree 100% with what people say but I just go on. I don't feel it necessary to be rude or waste everyone's time with an on going debate.Just respect the fact someone has a different opinion. I think overall people adhere to the dynamic of the group. When someone may stray a little it certainly isn't as huge of a deal as this has turned into. ____________________ The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1][http://www.urantia.org/] _____________________ TRUELOVE @ http://www.vegconnect.com/ _____________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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