Dogma vs. morality (was Vitamin D requirements)

[Guest guest]

" I do not know whether, nowadays, you have those debates, but I used at that

time to attend debates that were held between vegetarians and vegetarians and

between vegetarians and non-vegetarians. I remember one such debate, between Dr.

Densmore and the late Dr. T. R. Allinson. Then vegetarians had a habit of

talking of nothing but food and nothing but disease. I feel that that is the

worst way of going about the business. I notice also that it is those persons

who become vegetarians because they are suffering from some disease or other –

that is, from purely the health point of view – it is those persons who largely

fall back. I discovered that for remaining staunch to vegetarianism a man

requires a moral basis. " " For me that was a great discovery in my search

after truth. At an early age, in the course of my experiments, I found that a

selfish basis would not serve the purpose of taking a man higher and higher

along the paths of evolution. What was required. was an

altruistic purpose. I found also that health was by no means the monopoly of

vegetarians. I found many people having no bias one way or the other and that

non-vegetarians were able to show, generally speaking, good health. I found also

that several vegetarians found it impossible to remain vegetarians because they

had made food a fetish and because they thought that by becoming vegetarians

they could eat as much lentil, haricot, beans and cheese as they liked. Of

course those people could not possibly keep their health. "

 

" A vegetarian is made of sterner stuff. Why? Because it is for the building of

the spirit and not of the body. Man is more than meat. It is the spirit in man

for which we are concerned. Therefore vegetarians should have that moral basis –

that a man was not born a carnivorous animal, but born to live on the fruits and

herbs that the earth grows. "

 

--Speech delivered by Gandhi at a Social Meeting organised by the London

Vegetarian Society, 20 November 1931

 

http://www.ivu.org/news/evu/other/gandhi2.html

 

 

 

Lovefood Lane <lovefoodlaughter wrote:

Joe Postma,

We are your fans and agree wholeheartedly. Many

belief systems and moral codes, such as strict

veganism, seem bent towards negation: the " Thou shalt

nots... " A human being, guided by such systems,

relinquishes rational thought and replaces it with

rationalizing emotional strife. Learning and

tolerating new ideas then becomes very difficult.

This negating attitude is unhealthy and can

result in devastating psycho-physiological rigidity

and tension. I hope we can find ways for helping

people to find real ways to feel healthy, not simply

to enjoy new means for exercising the autocratic guilt

mongering of their chosen demagoguery and dogma.

Lets not shame the past but look forward to the

unknown and exciting future. Thank you, Joe, for

sharing and using your mind.

 

Sincerely,

Jonathan and Storm

 

 

 

____________________

The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual

into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of

all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each

is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book:

1094:1][http://www.urantia.org/]

_____________________

 

TRUELOVE @

http://www.vegconnect.com/

 

_____________________

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Arguing doesn't effect change.

 

 

tev treowlufu <goraw808

rawfood

Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:30:05 AM

Re: [Raw Food] Dogma vs. morality (was Vitamin D requirements)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

" I do not know whether, nowadays, you have those debates, but I used

at that time to attend debates that were held between vegetarians and

vegetarians and between vegetarians and non-vegetarians. I remember one such

debate, between Dr. Densmore and the late Dr. T. R. Allinson. Then vegetarians

had a habit of talking of nothing but food and nothing but disease. I feel that

that is the worst way of going about the business. I notice also that it is

those persons who become vegetarians because they are suffering from some

disease or other – that is, from purely the health point of view – it is those

persons who largely fall back. I discovered that for remaining staunch to

vegetarianism a man requires a moral basis. " " For me that was a great

discovery in my search after truth. At an early age, in the course of my

experiments, I found that a selfish basis would not serve the purpose of taking

a man higher and higher along the paths of evolution. What was

required. was an

 

altruistic purpose. I found also that health was by no means the monopoly of

vegetarians. I found many people having no bias one way or the other and that

non-vegetarians were able to show, generally speaking, good health. I found also

that several vegetarians found it impossible to remain vegetarians because they

had made food a fetish and because they thought that by becoming vegetarians

they could eat as much lentil, haricot, beans and cheese as they liked. Of

course those people could not possibly keep their health. "

 

 

 

" A vegetarian is made of sterner stuff. Why? Because it is for the building of

the spirit and not of the body. Man is more than meat. It is the spirit in man

for which we are concerned. Therefore vegetarians should have that moral basis –

that a man was not born a carnivorous animal, but born to live on the fruits and

herbs that the earth grows. "

 

 

 

--Speech delivered by Gandhi at a Social Meeting organised by the London

Vegetarian Society, 20 November 1931

 

 

 

http://www.ivu. org/news/ evu/other/ gandhi2.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lovefood Lane <lovefoodlaughter@ > wrote:

 

Joe Postma,

 

We are your fans and agree wholeheartedly. Many

 

belief systems and moral codes, such as strict

 

veganism, seem bent towards negation: the " Thou shalt

 

nots... " A human being, guided by such systems,

 

relinquishes rational thought and replaces it with

 

rationalizing emotional strife. Learning and

 

tolerating new ideas then becomes very difficult.

 

This negating attitude is unhealthy and can

 

result in devastating psycho-physiologica l rigidity

 

and tension. I hope we can find ways for helping

 

people to find real ways to feel healthy, not simply

 

to enjoy new means for exercising the autocratic guilt

 

mongering of their chosen demagoguery and dogma.

 

Lets not shame the past but look forward to the

 

unknown and exciting future. Thank you, Joe, for

 

sharing and using your mind.

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Jonathan and Storm

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

 

The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual

into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of

all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each

is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book:

1094:1][http://www.urantia. org/]

 

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

 

 

 

TRUELOVE @

 

http://www.vegconne ct.com/

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I am not trying to effect change. BTW,

our voting process utilizes debate to

create " choice. "

 

tev

 

Bob <comarow wrote:

Arguing doesn't effect change.

 

 

tev treowlufu

rawfood

Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:30:05 AM

Re: [Raw Food] Dogma vs. morality (was Vitamin D requirements)

 

" I do not know whether, nowadays, you have those debates, but I used at that

time to attend debates that were held between vegetarians and vegetarians and

between vegetarians and non-vegetarians. I remember one such debate, between Dr.

Densmore and the late Dr. T. R. Allinson. Then vegetarians had a habit of

talking of

required. was an

 

 

 

____________________

The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual

into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of

all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each

is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book:

1094:1][http://www.urantia.org/]

_____________________

 

TRUELOVE @

http://www.vegconnect.com/

 

_____________________

 

 

 

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