to Storm re: eating fish occassionally

[Guest guest]

Storm,

 

Recently you admitted you eat fish every once in awhile to maintain

your health, and knew it would shock some people (it kinda did) but

that nuts and seeds won't do it for you.

 

I saw Dr. Jameth Sheridan, LONG time raw foodists and creator of

some of the world's best raw supplements (Vitamineral Green) and he

addressed this very issue, and how instead of solving it with fish

(inferior) that this is when raw foodists need to be steaming

legumes (they are ridiculous to digest otherwise, don't seem very

edible, just chalky) and upping their salt a bit, possibly adding

stuff like chia seeds. This has worked for others in that situation.

 

I wanted to share this with you because it makes sense. He talked

about how 100% raw foodists over time can develop deficiencies (he

used to be very militantly 100% raw) and that then they swing across

the pendulum to start eating animals again, as a result of being too

far over to one side of the pendulum. It's interesting that people

would rather eat animal flesh than steam something, which just

doesn't make any sense. Some of these foods NEED to be steamed for

uptake of nutrients to take effect. It is a fascinating topic and we

will be interviewing him more (as well as Jinjee!) for our upcoming

e-book on missing information in the living foods movement.

 

Fish aren't healthy as animal flesh, plus they have nerve endings

closer to the skin than most animals, and therefore they definitely

DO suffer pain. If you or any other raw foodist are still eating it,

for the sake of the animals, your health and the environment, please

consider trying this healthful alternative. Fish is not even a

viable resource in our society as the oceans are being trawled and

ruined, and even if one person can manage (to still kill)

local " fresh " seemingly " healthier " fish, that is simply not

available to the masses and not a sustainable addition to

everybody's diet. Fruit and veggies and other natural food items

ARE, which is surely another sign that it is what we are supposed to

be eating.

 

If that craving surfaces every few months, it sounds like a

deficiency. You are surely getting something from that fish, but

there is surely a better source for whatever that is. That's all! I

wanted to share since I had caught your post.

 

Thank you! This post is meant just to share. I think you're great!

Erica

[Guest guest]

Erica,

 

Very interesting! Thanks for sharing!

I'll look up Dr Sheridan ASAP.

 

-Storm

 

rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote:

>

> Storm,

>

> Recently you admitted you eat fish every once in awhile to maintain

> your health, and knew it would shock some people (it kinda did) but

> that nuts and seeds won't do it for you.

>

> I saw Dr. Jameth Sheridan, LONG time raw foodists and creator of

> some of the world's best raw supplements (Vitamineral Green) and he

> addressed this very issue, and how instead of solving it with fish

> (inferior) that this is when raw foodists need to be steaming

> legumes (they are ridiculous to digest otherwise, don't seem very

> edible, just chalky) and upping their salt a bit, possibly adding

> stuff like chia seeds. This has worked for others in that situation.

>

> I wanted to share this with you because it makes sense. He talked

> about how 100% raw foodists over time can develop deficiencies (he

> used to be very militantly 100% raw) and that then they swing across

> the pendulum to start eating animals again, as a result of being too

> far over to one side of the pendulum. It's interesting that people

> would rather eat animal flesh than steam something, which just

> doesn't make any sense. Some of these foods NEED to be steamed for

> uptake of nutrients to take effect. It is a fascinating topic and we

> will be interviewing him more (as well as Jinjee!) for our upcoming

> e-book on missing information in the living foods movement.

>

> Fish aren't healthy as animal flesh, plus they have nerve endings

> closer to the skin than most animals, and therefore they definitely

> DO suffer pain. If you or any other raw foodist are still eating it,

> for the sake of the animals, your health and the environment, please

> consider trying this healthful alternative. Fish is not even a

> viable resource in our society as the oceans are being trawled and

> ruined, and even if one person can manage (to still kill)

> local " fresh " seemingly " healthier " fish, that is simply not

> available to the masses and not a sustainable addition to

> everybody's diet. Fruit and veggies and other natural food items

> ARE, which is surely another sign that it is what we are supposed to

> be eating.

>

> If that craving surfaces every few months, it sounds like a

> deficiency. You are surely getting something from that fish, but

> there is surely a better source for whatever that is. That's all! I

> wanted to share since I had caught your post.

>

> Thank you! This post is meant just to share. I think you're great!

> Erica

>

[Guest guest]

I found that putting a raw egg yolk in my smoothie has helped tremendously. I

have been 90% raw for 2 to 3 years. However, I had problems sleeping at night

would always wake up between 1:30 and 3:00 am. It would take a while to get

back to sleep and then I would wake up tired. I also had hypersensitivity to

touch especially on my thighs. For my degree I was reading The Chemistry of Man

by Bernard Jensen. He discusses minerals and symptoms you have from excessive

or missing elements. After reading that I am not opposed to consuming raw,

organic, unpasteurized dairy preferable from a goat or egg yolks. However I

have only added goatein and the egg yolks. Since I started I sleep continuously

and wake up at 4:45 to 5:00 refreshed and excited about the day. The skin

sensitivity is gone.

 

What I find and teach is you have to find the truth for you and what works for

you. There is no one answer. I am flexible and want to listen and respond to my

body's needs. Maybe one day I will say I am a raw vegetarian.

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Erica, I am new to this group (sorry for my English, but it is not

my mother tongue). Please, let me know: so Storm has admitted he eats

fish? Where? When? I am even more than shocked!

Thank you for your explanation.

 

Donata.

 

 

rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote:

>

> Storm,

>

> Recently you admitted you eat fish every once in awhile to maintain

> your health, and knew it would shock some people (it kinda did) but

> that nuts and seeds won't do it for you.

>

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " Love Food Lane "

<lovefoodlaughter wrote:

>

> Erica,

>

> Very interesting! Thanks for sharing!

> I'll look up Dr Sheridan ASAP.

>

> -Storm

>

>

He is tough to get a hold of - but we will be interviewing him on

this for a new e-book, like I said. But he talks about how to steam

and what needs to be steamed and why in his little old tiny

uncookbook called UNCOOKING WITH JAMETH AND KIM. It's old. That

should help anybody considering this. I don't do this personally but

I do eat some cooked food here and there, and it's always a whole

food vegan grain. He says this also happens most with LONG TERM

FRUITARIANS and I am not a fruitarian. He did say that at least one

very big fruitarian low-fat advocate leader is KNOWN for binging on

cooked starches but preaching a really simple natural hygiene low fat

fruitarian raw diet always, with no exception..... I've heard that

before, too. Interesting.

[Guest guest]

Well, Storm is in this group and will probably want to answer this

himself. My commentary was more that I understand this happens and

that he is not the only raw foodist to resort to this. It makes sense

in terms of a response to a deficiency, which is why it is important

for ALL raw foodists, vegans, non-vegans and cooked foodists to

routinely get tested at the right places for such stuff. We are all

still learning and advancing down this path, and continually growing.

Becoming our own nutritionists/doctors and more is a LOT to take

on. :-) I think it's great that Storm shared that, as it has got to

be hard to be in any kind of spotlight for this movement and for

people to expect you to be perfect, etc. I know it has been hard for

me when I'm " off the wagon " , etc, to still be a teacher and more, but

it really is all about sharing information and helping others, and

not being more-perfect-than-thou. Most raw leaders/authors, etc will

instead just adopt the persona that they are these perfect eaters,

but binge in private on bad stuff. I give Storm a lot of credit for

his honesty, and while as a vegan I always am sad to see animals

suffer and/or die for our own habits/likes, I have been there/done

that, too, and just try to remember that. To me, eating fish is no

better or worse than wearing leather, and I am curious and will post

a poll for my own research about why more rawfoodists don't adopt

more vegan principles, period. :-) But Storm indicated that it is a

nutritional need that is being fulfilled by the fish that nuts don't

fill. This is entirely believable, and I love that he is open to

exploring other possibilities. This is why some heal and thrive and

other's don't, in my opinion.

Ciao!

Erica

[Guest guest]

Very well put Erica

 

As far as eating raw 100%: I do not think it is at all reasonable, to

go without having a slice of New York Cheese Cake (or chocolate cake!)

once in a while!!!

Could you imagine?! haha!

 

Joe

[Guest guest]

P.S. Is this Storm of www.thegardendiet.com or another Storm?

[Guest guest]

Ah, my God, I was sure he was...THE Storm! Is he or not? Erica, I thank

you for your answer. What 'depresses' me is that it seems impossible to

be a real, and true, raw, and vegan, from your words, I mean from what

you tell (and I thank you for telling that)...so what can we do?

Donata.

 

rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote:

>

> P.S. Is this Storm of www.thegardendiet.com or another Storm?

>

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " Love Food Lane "

<lovefoodlaughter wrote:

>

As far as I have tried and managed to see after searching in this

group, this Storm is not the one of " The Garden Diet " , is he? Please,

Storm, let us know...Was it here in this group, that you admitted you

eat fish every once in a while?

 

Erica,

>

> Very interesting! Thanks for sharing!

> I'll look up Dr Sheridan ASAP.

>

> -Storm

>

> rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk@> wrote:

> >

> > Storm,

> >

> > Recently you admitted you eat fish every once in awhile to

maintain

> > your health, and knew it would shock some people (it kinda did)

but

> > that nuts and seeds won't do it for you.

> >

> > I saw Dr. Jameth Sheridan, LONG time raw foodists and creator of

> > some of the world's best raw supplements (Vitamineral Green) and

he

> > addressed this very issue, and how instead of solving it with

fish

> > (inferior) that this is when raw foodists need to be steaming

> > legumes (they are ridiculous to digest otherwise, don't seem very

> > edible, just chalky) and upping their salt a bit, possibly adding

> > stuff like chia seeds. This has worked for others in that

situation.

> >

> > I wanted to share this with you because it makes sense. He talked

> > about how 100% raw foodists over time can develop deficiencies

(he

> > used to be very militantly 100% raw) and that then they swing

across

> > the pendulum to start eating animals again, as a result of being

too

> > far over to one side of the pendulum. It's interesting that

people

> > would rather eat animal flesh than steam something, which just

> > doesn't make any sense. Some of these foods NEED to be steamed

for

> > uptake of nutrients to take effect. It is a fascinating topic and

we

> > will be interviewing him more (as well as Jinjee!) for our

upcoming

> > e-book on missing information in the living foods movement.

> >

> > Fish aren't healthy as animal flesh, plus they have nerve endings

> > closer to the skin than most animals, and therefore they

definitely

> > DO suffer pain. If you or any other raw foodist are still eating

it,

> > for the sake of the animals, your health and the environment,

please

> > consider trying this healthful alternative. Fish is not even a

> > viable resource in our society as the oceans are being trawled

and

> > ruined, and even if one person can manage (to still kill)

> > local " fresh " seemingly " healthier " fish, that is simply not

> > available to the masses and not a sustainable addition to

> > everybody's diet. Fruit and veggies and other natural food items

> > ARE, which is surely another sign that it is what we are supposed

to

> > be eating.

> >

> > If that craving surfaces every few months, it sounds like a

> > deficiency. You are surely getting something from that fish, but

> > there is surely a better source for whatever that is. That's all!

I

> > wanted to share since I had caught your post.

> >

> > Thank you! This post is meant just to share. I think you're great!

> > Erica

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ah, my God, I was sure he was...THE Storm! Is he or not? Erica, I thank

you for your answer. What 'depresses' me is that it seems impossible to

be a real, and true, raw, and vegan, from your words, I mean from what

you tell (and I thank you for telling that)...so what can we do?

Donata.

 

rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote:

>

> P.S. Is this Storm of www.thegardendiet.com or another Storm?

>

[Guest guest]

Except of course that EVERYBODY knows raw desserts are far better

tasting, and not just healthier. Raw vegan cheesecake and chocolate

cakes blow away the commercial kind. :-) SAD-dieters can usually even

attest to this!

[Guest guest]

Any recipes for that raw vegan cheesecake?? Sounds like something I'd really

enjoy!

Thanks!

Judy

 

Erica <schoolofrawk wrote: Except of

course that EVERYBODY knows raw desserts are far better

tasting, and not just healthier. Raw vegan cheesecake and chocolate

cakes blow away the commercial kind. :-) SAD-dieters can usually even

attest to this!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

rawfood , donatma <no_reply wrote:

>

> rawfood , " Love Food Lane "

> <lovefoodlaughter@> wrote:

> >

> As far as I have tried and managed to see after searching in this

> group, this Storm is not the one of " The Garden Diet " , is he? Please,

> Storm, let us know...Was it here in this group, that you admitted you

> eat fish every once in a while?

>

 

Oh! What a funny thought! No...couldn't be more different from " The Garden Diet "

Storm

physiologically speaking--he's a large, black man in his late fifties who lives

in CA, and I'm a

petite white 23 year old gal in DC!

But yes, though I do eat 100% raw, some of that raw food (only occasionally,

when I

experience signs of deficiencies) is raw (organic free-range grass-fed) egg or

raw (wild

caught) fish. I'm not advocating fish or egg eating necessarily, that's just

what has worked so

far for me. I look forward to the day I find a completely vegan raw way to

thrive long-term!

 

Peas and love to all,

-Storm

[Guest guest]

There are those who manage to do it, but they are not fruitarians. There is

nothing wrong with 90 raw and 10% STEAMED sprouted legumes. Most are not 100%

raw anyways as they eat steamed " raw " cashews, Braggs, Agave Nectar, etc.

Remember, the emphasis is HEALTH, it is not a contest. You can be a high raw

vegan and forget about the numbers and still be healthy. Isn't that the goal?

 

Erica Albanese

School Of RAWk

Certified Raw Nutritionist, Health Coach & Raw Chef

Freelance Writer & Advanced Practitioner of The Living Foods Lifestyle

Eugene, OR

(541) 915 - 1995

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[Guest guest]

Awesome! Good for you!

 

Erica Albanese

School Of RAWk

Certified Raw Nutritionist, Health Coach & Raw Chef

Freelance Writer & Advanced Practitioner of The Living Foods Lifestyle

Eugene, OR

(541) 915 - 1995

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Socrates

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Just Like Cheesecake - as written

For the crust:

1 1/2 cups almonds

1 cup dates or 1/2 cup honey

Process in food processor until nice and fine. Press into pie plate and put in

fridge.

 

For the Cheese:

3 cups cashews (soak for at least 1 hour)

1 cup lemon juice

1 cup honey

1 cup coconut oil

1 teaspoon vanilla

Blend in blender until smooth and adjust to taste.

Pour into crust. Put in freezer for an hour or so then refrigerate.

 

For fruit sauce:

Blend 1 bag berries or whatever available with

1/2 cup dater or 1/4 cup honey.

Pour sauce over each piece before serving.

 

IT IS THE BOMB! :-) I used expeller-pressed coconut oil.....

 

 

Erica Albanese

School Of RAWk

Certified Raw Nutritionist, Health Coach & Raw Chef

Freelance Writer & Advanced Practitioner of The Living Foods Lifestyle

Eugene, OR

(541) 915 - 1995

SchoolOfRAWk

www.SchoolOfRAWk.com - Copming Soon!

 

Join School Of RAWk on MySpace at www.myspace.com/SchoolOfRAWk

 

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Socrates

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Therese,

 

I really don't want this to be an issue, especially here where we are supposed

to promote a

raw Vegan lifestyle as I understand. I am a huge supporter of the raw vegan

lifestyle. I

congratulate and encourage anyone who is moving towards a 100% raw vegan diet,

if that

is what's going to make them thrive. I have dealt with numerous rather severe

health

" opportunities " (as they call " problems " at the Optimum Health Institute in San

Diego) and I

cannot afford to simply read books and believe gurus, placing my life in their

hands. I

came into raw foods/natural living purely instinctively, in a sort of

life-or-death situation,

without having done any sort of research. I've learned what works for me 1/2

through

intuition, 1/2 through experimentation. I only found out about the " raw food

diet " 2 years

after I had started eating raw! Now I am very interested in learning about other

people's

experiences and opinions, but I still listen most closely to my own body. And it

just so

happens that a few times a year, my body says: eat fish! So I do. Eating raw

fish feels much

more natural for me than eating cooked veggies. I can catch a wild fish with my

own two

hands, so I don't feel guilty about supporting any sort of " murder-industry " ,

nor am I

convinced that eating animal protein is categorically " unnatural " for humans.

That said, I

am very open and eager to learn from those who have done their research, and

maybe I

will stop eating fish someday, just as maybe I'll stop eating tomatoes some

day...

Sorry to all to have caused all these furrowed brows!

 

Blessings,

-Storm

 

rawfood , therese brommel-fontanini <theresebf wrote:

>

> Hi Storm,

>

> I was wondering why you eat the fish? What is goine on that you choose to

eat fish?

>

> Therese

>

[Guest guest]

It's another Storm

 

--- Erica <schoolofrawk wrote:

 

> P.S. Is this Storm of www.thegardendiet.com or

> another Storm?

>

>