Guest guest Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Hi Debbie, I'd suggest refocusing your awareness on this. Raw or not, ALL dehydrated foods are dehydrating inside the body. Foods move through the digestive tract as a wet medium; the water is then largely recaptured from the colon before release of the digestive waste. (As an aside, diarrhea occurs when the waste product is sufficiently " toxic " as to require dilution for safe removal. Throughout Nature, the solution to pollution is dilution...and digestion. More on that another time, perhaps.) Whenever we dump dry material into our digestive tube (aka, eat dehydrated foods), the body immediately begins to divert water from most of the rest of the body ... which immediately depletes our entire system in a myriad of ways. This diversion is mandatory for the body, as otherwise the dehydrated material would clog the digestive tube and cause severe shock, even death. So the body MUST respond on an emergency basis. I know, I know, " everyone " in the RF world teaches all about using dehydrated foods for " transitioning " . But here is a question for you ... transitioning to what? If you are looking for ways to maintain that sense of " fullness " on a healthful raw diet, then there are other, far more healthful ways ... and a few paradigm shifts available along the way. Throughout the RF world, there is this popular yet utterly naive notion that everything raw is good, everything cooked is bad. This way of thinking violates what I call the 'Einstein principle " ... make everything as simple as it can be, but not simpler. This perception throughout the RF world does indeed make things simpler than they can be ... and it is quite misleading at the very least. Not everything raw is " good for us " , and not everything cooked is terrible for us. For example, simple steamed vegetables are far better foods than almost all the RF recipes presently in publication, which require consumption of excessive fats, excessive indigestible (insoluble) fiber, and various other materials that are quite foreign to the human organism. Best to all, Elchanan PS I publish most of my posts in the PathOfHealth Group. _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of deborah164951 Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:11 AM rawfood [Raw Food] Dry oats Hi everyone Since joining this forum a week or two ago, I've learned so much - thank you! Here's a question that's been puzzling me for a while. Are dry oats (the kind used for porridge, muesli etc) raw? I've never been sure. I can see that they don't look like oats in their original form, but is heat used in the making of them? My daughter came home with a 'raw' bar yesterday that contained oats. Anyone know? Love Debbie Took, Reading, UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 I understand and don't disagree with this. I still bought a dehydrator and had dehydrated apples. No, it wasn't optimal, but I still did it. For some people, it seems to be really easy to go raw " overnight. " I don't get why the term " transitional " is " incorrect. " Some people go raw and others move towards it slower. Going towards it slower is what I would call transitioning. From 50% to 60% to 70% raw, etc. It was not easy for me. For those who found it easy, that's great and I wish at times I had been among those who found it easy. I chose to dehydrate. It helped me at times when I wanted something unhealthy, like chips. It's 3 months into this and I'm doing much better. I have moved out of dehydrating and choose to eat things as they are, making a few recipes here and there. I still use the dehydrator for my family, who are not raw. It's a choice. I understood that I wouldn't be eating dehydrated all my life if I were to go raw. Again, I understand and this is valid. I am moving towards the end result in a different way. Tanya Elchanan <Elchanan rawfood Thursday, May 3, 2007 7:48:18 AM [Raw Food] The problem with dehydrated foods (WAS: Dry oats) Hi Debbie, I'd suggest refocusing your awareness on this. Raw or not, ALL dehydrated foods are dehydrating inside the body. Foods move through the digestive tract as a wet medium; the water is then largely recaptured from the colon before release of the digestive waste. (As an aside, diarrhea occurs when the waste product is sufficiently " toxic " as to require dilution for safe removal. Throughout Nature, the solution to pollution is dilution...and digestion. More on that another time, perhaps.) Whenever we dump dry material into our digestive tube (aka, eat dehydrated foods), the body immediately begins to divert water from most of the rest of the body ... which immediately depletes our entire system in a myriad of ways. This diversion is mandatory for the body, as otherwise the dehydrated material would clog the digestive tube and cause severe shock, even death. So the body MUST respond on an emergency basis. I know, I know, " everyone " in the RF world teaches all about using dehydrated foods for " transitioning " . But here is a question for you ... transitioning to what? If you are looking for ways to maintain that sense of " fullness " on a healthful raw diet, then there are other, far more healthful ways ... and a few paradigm shifts available along the way. Throughout the RF world, there is this popular yet utterly naive notion that everything raw is good, everything cooked is bad. This way of thinking violates what I call the 'Einstein principle " ... make everything as simple as it can be, but not simpler. This perception throughout the RF world does indeed make things simpler than they can be ... and it is quite misleading at the very least. Not everything raw is " good for us " , and not everything cooked is terrible for us. For example, simple steamed vegetables are far better foods than almost all the RF recipes presently in publication, which require consumption of excessive fats, excessive indigestible (insoluble) fiber, and various other materials that are quite foreign to the human organism. Best to all, Elchanan PS I publish most of my posts in the PathOfHealth Group. _____ rawfood@ .com [rawfood@ .com] On Behalf Of deborah164951 Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:11 AM rawfood@ .com [Raw Food] Dry oats Hi everyone Since joining this forum a week or two ago, I've learned so much - thank you! Here's a question that's been puzzling me for a while. Are dry oats (the kind used for porridge, muesli etc) raw? I've never been sure. I can see that they don't look like oats in their original form, but is heat used in the making of them? My daughter came home with a 'raw' bar yesterday that contained oats. Anyone know? Love Debbie Took, Reading, UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 I think the kind of approach is why a lot of people fail at going raw or dont do it all. Raw is restrictive enough, why add more " rules " ? Sure you dont want all of your meals to be made up of dehydrated foods and excessive sweets but a few cookies a week or some flax chips wont hurt. I was even remotely interested in raw because I found out how good raw desserts can be. I was already at the point where I couldn't eat dairy, gluten or soy, so this was heaven. Do I eat sweets every day? NO. Every week? Not really, but every once in a while is a real treat. Moderation is key. > > > Elchanan <Elchanan <Elchanan%40PathOfHealth.org>> > rawfood <rawfood%40> > Thursday, May 3, 2007 7:48:18 AM > [Raw Food] The problem with dehydrated foods (WAS: Dry oats) > > Hi Debbie, > > I'd suggest refocusing your awareness on this. Raw or not, ALL dehydrated > foods are dehydrating inside the body. Foods move through the digestive > tract as a wet medium; the water is then largely recaptured from the colon > before release of the digestive waste. (As an aside, diarrhea occurs when > the waste product is sufficiently " toxic " as to require dilution for safe > removal. Throughout Nature, the solution to pollution is dilution...and > digestion. More on that another time, perhaps.) > > Whenever we dump dry material into our digestive tube (aka, eat dehydrated > foods), the body immediately begins to divert water from most of the rest > of > the body ... which immediately depletes our entire system in a myriad of > ways. This diversion is mandatory for the body, as otherwise the > dehydrated > material would clog the digestive tube and cause severe shock, even death. > So the body MUST respond on an emergency basis. > > I know, I know, " everyone " in the RF world teaches all about using > dehydrated foods for " transitioning " . But here is a question for you ... > transitioning to what? If you are looking for ways to maintain that sense > of > " fullness " on a healthful raw diet, then there are other, far more > healthful > ways ... and a few paradigm shifts available along the way. > > Throughout the RF world, there is this popular yet utterly naive notion > that > everything raw is good, everything cooked is bad. This way of thinking > violates what I call the 'Einstein principle " ... make everything as > simple > as it can be, but not simpler. This perception throughout the RF world > does > indeed make things simpler than they can be ... and it is quite misleading > at the very least. Not everything raw is " good for us " , and not everything > cooked is terrible for us. For example, simple steamed vegetables are far > better foods than almost all the RF recipes presently in publication, > which > require consumption of excessive fats, excessive indigestible (insoluble) > fiber, and various other materials that are quite foreign to the human > organism. > > Best to all, > Elchanan > > PS I publish most of my posts in the PathOfHealth Group. > _____ > > rawfood@ .com [rawfood@ .com] On Behalf > Of > deborah164951 > Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:11 AM > rawfood@ .com > [Raw Food] Dry oats > > Hi everyone > > Since joining this forum a week or two ago, I've learned so much - thank > you! > > Here's a question that's been puzzling me for a while. > > Are dry oats (the kind used for porridge, muesli etc) raw? I've never been > sure. I can see that they don't look like oats in their original form, but > is heat used in the making of them? > > My daughter came home with a 'raw' bar yesterday that contained oats. > > Anyone know? > > Love > > Debbie Took, Reading, UK > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 ,_._,___ Well, I am not yet totally raw, but am around 90% raw. I eat very few nuts. But even so, because of a medication I am on, all that fiber is not near enough. I need to eat quite a bit of Flax to keep things moving, and so I am dehydrating 2 cups of flax seed and 2 cups of veggies to make crackers. And yes, I am drinking tons of water everyday.... Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Favorite dessert? I haven't found mine yet- I was hoping since you said that was one of your favs that I would ask? Thanks! At 08:25 PM 5/3/2007, you wrote: >I think the kind of approach is why a lot of people fail at going raw or >dont do it all. Raw is restrictive enough, why add more " rules " ? Sure you >dont want all of your meals to be made up of dehydrated foods and excessive >sweets but a few cookies a week or some flax chips wont hurt. I was even >remotely interested in raw because I found out how good raw desserts can be. >I was already at the point where I couldn't eat dairy, gluten or soy, so >this was heaven. Do I eat sweets every day? NO. Every week? Not really, >but every once in a while is a real treat. Moderation is key. > > > > > > > Elchanan > <<Elchanan%40PathOfHealth.org>Elchanan > <Elchanan%40PathOfHealth.org>> > > <rawfood%40>rawfood > <rawfood%40> > > Thursday, May 3, 2007 7:48:18 AM > > [Raw Food] The problem with dehydrated foods (WAS: Dry oats) > > > > Hi Debbie, > > > > I'd suggest refocusing your awareness on this. Raw or not, ALL dehydrated > > foods are dehydrating inside the body. Foods move through the digestive > > tract as a wet medium; the water is then largely recaptured from the colon > > before release of the digestive waste. (As an aside, diarrhea occurs when > > the waste product is sufficiently " toxic " as to require dilution for safe > > removal. Throughout Nature, the solution to pollution is dilution...and > > digestion. More on that another time, perhaps.) > > > > Whenever we dump dry material into our digestive tube (aka, eat dehydrated > > foods), the body immediately begins to divert water from most of the rest > > of > > the body ... which immediately depletes our entire system in a myriad of > > ways. This diversion is mandatory for the body, as otherwise the > > dehydrated > > material would clog the digestive tube and cause severe shock, even death. > > So the body MUST respond on an emergency basis. > > > > I know, I know, " everyone " in the RF world teaches all about using > > dehydrated foods for " transitioning " . But here is a question for you ... > > transitioning to what? If you are looking for ways to maintain that sense > > of > > " fullness " on a healthful raw diet, then there are other, far more > > healthful > > ways ... and a few paradigm shifts available along the way. > > > > Throughout the RF world, there is this popular yet utterly naive notion > > that > > everything raw is good, everything cooked is bad. This way of thinking > > violates what I call the 'Einstein principle " ... make everything as > > simple > > as it can be, but not simpler. This perception throughout the RF world > > does > > indeed make things simpler than they can be ... and it is quite misleading > > at the very least. Not everything raw is " good for us " , and not everything > > cooked is terrible for us. For example, simple steamed vegetables are far > > better foods than almost all the RF recipes presently in publication, > > which > > require consumption of excessive fats, excessive indigestible (insoluble) > > fiber, and various other materials that are quite foreign to the human > > organism. > > > > Best to all, > > Elchanan > > > > PS I publish most of my posts in the PathOfHealth Group. > > _____ > > > > rawfood@ .com [rawfood@ .com] On Behalf > > Of > > deborah164951 > > Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:11 AM > > rawfood@ .com > > [Raw Food] Dry oats > > > > Hi everyone > > > > Since joining this forum a week or two ago, I've learned so much - thank > > you! > > > > Here's a question that's been puzzling me for a while. > > > > Are dry oats (the kind used for porridge, muesli etc) raw? I've never been > > sure. I can see that they don't look like oats in their original form, but > > is heat used in the making of them? > > > > My daughter came home with a 'raw' bar yesterday that contained oats. > > > > Anyone know? > > > > Love > > > > Debbie Took, Reading, UK > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Hi everyone Many thanks for all your answers, and good to see that I have inadvertently started a flow of information/debate on dehydrated foods. I also posted this question on a UK forum, so now know from various sources that standard 'oats', or 'rolled oats' are not raw, but 'raw oat groats (as supplied by Alissa Cohen) are. Carly - thank you for the recipe - I may try it one day as I love the taste of oats. Elchanan, thank you very much for your post. Certainly food for thought (!). I know one of the problems with the SAD (or SUKD!) is that people eat too much dry food and need to drink vast quantities of water daily to make up for it, and can see why this isn't so much of a problem when we start to increase the percentage of raw food - I only really realised at the start of my raw journey how much liquid we gulp down when we eat a juicy apple! There again, as I mentioned before, the Essene writings are an inspiration for me, and, at present, I'm going to go with the policy that a little dehydrated food (Essene bread is simply sprouted wheat, dehydrated) is OK for me, particularly as it is, for me, a good palatable way of consuming flax seeds and other grains. After all, we are also told to chew our food well. We don't swallow dehydrated food 'dry' - it's either mixed with liquid food, or with saliva. But I take on board Elchanan's points, will think more on this (and will chew a little more...) So, thank you, everyone! Love Debbie Took, Reading, UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Right now is cheesecake and strawberries and cream - none require a dehydrator. carla On 5/3/07, Carly Streiff <carly.streiff wrote: > > Favorite dessert? I haven't found mine yet- I was hoping since you > said that was one of your favs that I would ask? Thanks! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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