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Hi Debbie,

 

I'd suggest refocusing your awareness on this. Raw or not, ALL dehydrated

foods are dehydrating inside the body. Foods move through the digestive

tract as a wet medium; the water is then largely recaptured from the colon

before release of the digestive waste. (As an aside, diarrhea occurs when

the waste product is sufficiently " toxic " as to require dilution for safe

removal. Throughout Nature, the solution to pollution is dilution...and

digestion. More on that another time, perhaps.)

 

Whenever we dump dry material into our digestive tube (aka, eat dehydrated

foods), the body immediately begins to divert water from most of the rest of

the body ... which immediately depletes our entire system in a myriad of

ways. This diversion is mandatory for the body, as otherwise the dehydrated

material would clog the digestive tube and cause severe shock, even death.

So the body MUST respond on an emergency basis.

 

I know, I know, " everyone " in the RF world teaches all about using

dehydrated foods for " transitioning " . But here is a question for you ...

transitioning to what? If you are looking for ways to maintain that sense of

" fullness " on a healthful raw diet, then there are other, far more healthful

ways ... and a few paradigm shifts available along the way.

 

Throughout the RF world, there is this popular yet utterly naive notion that

everything raw is good, everything cooked is bad. This way of thinking

violates what I call the 'Einstein principle " ... make everything as simple

as it can be, but not simpler. This perception throughout the RF world does

indeed make things simpler than they can be ... and it is quite misleading

at the very least. Not everything raw is " good for us " , and not everything

cooked is terrible for us. For example, simple steamed vegetables are far

better foods than almost all the RF recipes presently in publication, which

require consumption of excessive fats, excessive indigestible (insoluble)

fiber, and various other materials that are quite foreign to the human

organism.

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

 

PS I publish most of my posts in the PathOfHealth Group.

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

deborah164951

Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:11 AM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Dry oats

 

 

Hi everyone

 

Since joining this forum a week or two ago, I've learned so much - thank

you!

 

Here's a question that's been puzzling me for a while.

 

Are dry oats (the kind used for porridge, muesli etc) raw? I've never been

sure. I can see that they don't look like oats in their original form, but

is heat used in the making of them?

 

My daughter came home with a 'raw' bar yesterday that contained oats.

 

Anyone know?

 

Love

 

Debbie Took, Reading, UK

 

 

 

 

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I understand and don't disagree with this. I still bought a dehydrator and had

dehydrated apples. No, it wasn't optimal, but I still did it. For some people,

it seems to be really easy to go raw " overnight. " I don't get why the term

" transitional " is " incorrect. " Some people go raw and others move towards it

slower. Going towards it slower is what I would call transitioning. From 50%

to 60% to 70% raw, etc.

 

It was not easy for me. For those who found it easy, that's great and I wish at

times I had been among those who found it easy.

 

I chose to dehydrate. It helped me at times when I wanted something unhealthy,

like chips. It's 3 months into this and I'm doing much better. I have moved

out of dehydrating and choose to eat things as they are, making a few recipes

here and there. I still use the dehydrator for my family, who are not raw.

It's a choice. I understood that I wouldn't be eating dehydrated all my life if

I were to go raw.

 

Again, I understand and this is valid. I am moving towards the end result in a

different way.

 

Tanya

 

 

 

Elchanan <Elchanan

rawfood

Thursday, May 3, 2007 7:48:18 AM

[Raw Food] The problem with dehydrated foods (WAS: Dry oats)

 

Hi Debbie,

 

I'd suggest refocusing your awareness on this. Raw or not, ALL dehydrated

foods are dehydrating inside the body. Foods move through the digestive

tract as a wet medium; the water is then largely recaptured from the colon

before release of the digestive waste. (As an aside, diarrhea occurs when

the waste product is sufficiently " toxic " as to require dilution for safe

removal. Throughout Nature, the solution to pollution is dilution...and

digestion. More on that another time, perhaps.)

 

Whenever we dump dry material into our digestive tube (aka, eat dehydrated

foods), the body immediately begins to divert water from most of the rest of

the body ... which immediately depletes our entire system in a myriad of

ways. This diversion is mandatory for the body, as otherwise the dehydrated

material would clog the digestive tube and cause severe shock, even death.

So the body MUST respond on an emergency basis.

 

I know, I know, " everyone " in the RF world teaches all about using

dehydrated foods for " transitioning " . But here is a question for you ...

transitioning to what? If you are looking for ways to maintain that sense of

" fullness " on a healthful raw diet, then there are other, far more healthful

ways ... and a few paradigm shifts available along the way.

 

Throughout the RF world, there is this popular yet utterly naive notion that

everything raw is good, everything cooked is bad. This way of thinking

violates what I call the 'Einstein principle " ... make everything as simple

as it can be, but not simpler. This perception throughout the RF world does

indeed make things simpler than they can be ... and it is quite misleading

at the very least. Not everything raw is " good for us " , and not everything

cooked is terrible for us. For example, simple steamed vegetables are far

better foods than almost all the RF recipes presently in publication, which

require consumption of excessive fats, excessive indigestible (insoluble)

fiber, and various other materials that are quite foreign to the human

organism.

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

 

PS I publish most of my posts in the PathOfHealth Group.

_____

 

rawfood@ .com [rawfood@ .com] On Behalf Of

deborah164951

Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:11 AM

rawfood@ .com

[Raw Food] Dry oats

 

Hi everyone

 

Since joining this forum a week or two ago, I've learned so much - thank

you!

 

Here's a question that's been puzzling me for a while.

 

Are dry oats (the kind used for porridge, muesli etc) raw? I've never been

sure. I can see that they don't look like oats in their original form, but

is heat used in the making of them?

 

My daughter came home with a 'raw' bar yesterday that contained oats.

 

Anyone know?

 

Love

 

Debbie Took, Reading, UK

 

 

 

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I think the kind of approach is why a lot of people fail at going raw or

dont do it all. Raw is restrictive enough, why add more " rules " ? Sure you

dont want all of your meals to be made up of dehydrated foods and excessive

sweets but a few cookies a week or some flax chips wont hurt. I was even

remotely interested in raw because I found out how good raw desserts can be.

I was already at the point where I couldn't eat dairy, gluten or soy, so

this was heaven. Do I eat sweets every day? NO. Every week? Not really,

but every once in a while is a real treat. Moderation is key.

 

 

>

>

> Elchanan <Elchanan <Elchanan%40PathOfHealth.org>>

> rawfood <rawfood%40>

> Thursday, May 3, 2007 7:48:18 AM

> [Raw Food] The problem with dehydrated foods (WAS: Dry oats)

>

> Hi Debbie,

>

> I'd suggest refocusing your awareness on this. Raw or not, ALL dehydrated

> foods are dehydrating inside the body. Foods move through the digestive

> tract as a wet medium; the water is then largely recaptured from the colon

> before release of the digestive waste. (As an aside, diarrhea occurs when

> the waste product is sufficiently " toxic " as to require dilution for safe

> removal. Throughout Nature, the solution to pollution is dilution...and

> digestion. More on that another time, perhaps.)

>

> Whenever we dump dry material into our digestive tube (aka, eat dehydrated

> foods), the body immediately begins to divert water from most of the rest

> of

> the body ... which immediately depletes our entire system in a myriad of

> ways. This diversion is mandatory for the body, as otherwise the

> dehydrated

> material would clog the digestive tube and cause severe shock, even death.

> So the body MUST respond on an emergency basis.

>

> I know, I know, " everyone " in the RF world teaches all about using

> dehydrated foods for " transitioning " . But here is a question for you ...

> transitioning to what? If you are looking for ways to maintain that sense

> of

> " fullness " on a healthful raw diet, then there are other, far more

> healthful

> ways ... and a few paradigm shifts available along the way.

>

> Throughout the RF world, there is this popular yet utterly naive notion

> that

> everything raw is good, everything cooked is bad. This way of thinking

> violates what I call the 'Einstein principle " ... make everything as

> simple

> as it can be, but not simpler. This perception throughout the RF world

> does

> indeed make things simpler than they can be ... and it is quite misleading

> at the very least. Not everything raw is " good for us " , and not everything

> cooked is terrible for us. For example, simple steamed vegetables are far

> better foods than almost all the RF recipes presently in publication,

> which

> require consumption of excessive fats, excessive indigestible (insoluble)

> fiber, and various other materials that are quite foreign to the human

> organism.

>

> Best to all,

> Elchanan

>

> PS I publish most of my posts in the PathOfHealth Group.

> _____

>

> rawfood@ .com [rawfood@ .com] On Behalf

> Of

> deborah164951

> Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:11 AM

> rawfood@ .com

> [Raw Food] Dry oats

>

> Hi everyone

>

> Since joining this forum a week or two ago, I've learned so much - thank

> you!

>

> Here's a question that's been puzzling me for a while.

>

> Are dry oats (the kind used for porridge, muesli etc) raw? I've never been

> sure. I can see that they don't look like oats in their original form, but

> is heat used in the making of them?

>

> My daughter came home with a 'raw' bar yesterday that contained oats.

>

> Anyone know?

>

> Love

>

> Debbie Took, Reading, UK

>

>

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Well, I am not yet totally raw, but am around 90% raw. I eat very few nuts.

But even so, because of a medication I am on, all that fiber is not near enough.

I need to eat quite a bit of Flax to keep things moving, and so I am dehydrating

2 cups of flax seed and 2 cups of veggies to make crackers. And yes, I am

drinking tons of water everyday....

Karen

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Favorite dessert? I haven't found mine yet- I was hoping since you

said that was one of your favs that I would ask? Thanks!

 

 

At 08:25 PM 5/3/2007, you wrote:

 

>I think the kind of approach is why a lot of people fail at going raw or

>dont do it all. Raw is restrictive enough, why add more " rules " ? Sure you

>dont want all of your meals to be made up of dehydrated foods and excessive

>sweets but a few cookies a week or some flax chips wont hurt. I was even

>remotely interested in raw because I found out how good raw desserts can be.

>I was already at the point where I couldn't eat dairy, gluten or soy, so

>this was heaven. Do I eat sweets every day? NO. Every week? Not really,

>but every once in a while is a real treat. Moderation is key.

>

> >

> >

> > Elchanan

> <<Elchanan%40PathOfHealth.org>Elchanan

> <Elchanan%40PathOfHealth.org>>

> > <rawfood%40>rawfood

> <rawfood%40>

> > Thursday, May 3, 2007 7:48:18 AM

> > [Raw Food] The problem with dehydrated foods (WAS: Dry oats)

> >

> > Hi Debbie,

> >

> > I'd suggest refocusing your awareness on this. Raw or not, ALL dehydrated

> > foods are dehydrating inside the body. Foods move through the digestive

> > tract as a wet medium; the water is then largely recaptured from the colon

> > before release of the digestive waste. (As an aside, diarrhea occurs when

> > the waste product is sufficiently " toxic " as to require dilution for safe

> > removal. Throughout Nature, the solution to pollution is dilution...and

> > digestion. More on that another time, perhaps.)

> >

> > Whenever we dump dry material into our digestive tube (aka, eat dehydrated

> > foods), the body immediately begins to divert water from most of the rest

> > of

> > the body ... which immediately depletes our entire system in a myriad of

> > ways. This diversion is mandatory for the body, as otherwise the

> > dehydrated

> > material would clog the digestive tube and cause severe shock, even death.

> > So the body MUST respond on an emergency basis.

> >

> > I know, I know, " everyone " in the RF world teaches all about using

> > dehydrated foods for " transitioning " . But here is a question for you ...

> > transitioning to what? If you are looking for ways to maintain that sense

> > of

> > " fullness " on a healthful raw diet, then there are other, far more

> > healthful

> > ways ... and a few paradigm shifts available along the way.

> >

> > Throughout the RF world, there is this popular yet utterly naive notion

> > that

> > everything raw is good, everything cooked is bad. This way of thinking

> > violates what I call the 'Einstein principle " ... make everything as

> > simple

> > as it can be, but not simpler. This perception throughout the RF world

> > does

> > indeed make things simpler than they can be ... and it is quite misleading

> > at the very least. Not everything raw is " good for us " , and not everything

> > cooked is terrible for us. For example, simple steamed vegetables are far

> > better foods than almost all the RF recipes presently in publication,

> > which

> > require consumption of excessive fats, excessive indigestible (insoluble)

> > fiber, and various other materials that are quite foreign to the human

> > organism.

> >

> > Best to all,

> > Elchanan

> >

> > PS I publish most of my posts in the PathOfHealth Group.

> > _____

> >

> > rawfood@ .com [rawfood@ .com] On Behalf

> > Of

> > deborah164951

> > Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:11 AM

> > rawfood@ .com

> > [Raw Food] Dry oats

> >

> > Hi everyone

> >

> > Since joining this forum a week or two ago, I've learned so much - thank

> > you!

> >

> > Here's a question that's been puzzling me for a while.

> >

> > Are dry oats (the kind used for porridge, muesli etc) raw? I've never been

> > sure. I can see that they don't look like oats in their original form, but

> > is heat used in the making of them?

> >

> > My daughter came home with a 'raw' bar yesterday that contained oats.

> >

> > Anyone know?

> >

> > Love

> >

> > Debbie Took, Reading, UK

> >

> >

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Hi everyone

 

Many thanks for all your answers, and good to see that I have

inadvertently started a flow of information/debate on dehydrated foods.

 

I also posted this question on a UK forum, so now know from various

sources that standard 'oats', or 'rolled oats' are not raw, but 'raw

oat groats (as supplied by Alissa Cohen) are. Carly - thank you for

the recipe - I may try it one day as I love the taste of oats.

 

Elchanan, thank you very much for your post. Certainly food for

thought (!). I know one of the problems with the SAD (or SUKD!) is

that people eat too much dry food and need to drink vast quantities of

water daily to make up for it, and can see why this isn't so much of a

problem when we start to increase the percentage of raw food - I only

really realised at the start of my raw journey how much liquid we gulp

down when we eat a juicy apple!

 

There again, as I mentioned before, the Essene writings are an

inspiration for me, and, at present, I'm going to go with the policy

that a little dehydrated food (Essene bread is simply sprouted wheat,

dehydrated) is OK for me, particularly as it is, for me, a good

palatable way of consuming flax seeds and other grains. After all, we

are also told to chew our food well. We don't swallow dehydrated

food 'dry' - it's either mixed with liquid food, or with saliva. But

I take on board Elchanan's points, will think more on this (and will

chew a little more...)

 

So, thank you, everyone!

 

Love

 

Debbie Took, Reading, UK

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Right now is cheesecake and strawberries and cream - none require a

dehydrator. :)

 

carla

 

On 5/3/07, Carly Streiff <carly.streiff wrote:

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> Favorite dessert? I haven't found mine yet- I was hoping since you

> said that was one of your favs that I would ask? Thanks!

>

>

 

 

 

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