pet foods

[Guest guest]

Real Foods = Healthy Dogs and Cats

 

With the major recall of 60 million containers of pet foods recently

in the US and Canada as a result of dogs and cats dying of kidney

failure, it is so important to seriously consider switching from

feeding your pets commercial wet or dry foods to feeding them real

healthy foods.

 

Although we have come to accept commercial foods as a normal and

natural way to feed our pets, in fact they are not. Commercial dry or

wet pet foods lack most of the vital nutrients that an animal in the

wild would be getting from nature. Pet food manufacturers draw from a

widely fluctuating market of available ingredients. Some are listed in

vague terms like “meat meal†or “poultry by-products†and can vary

widely in their quality and digestibility. They may include food

rejected by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) for human

consumption, such as moldy grains or rancid animal fats.

 

In Dr. Pitcairn’s Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs & Cats,

Alfred Plechner, D.V.M., offers this look at commercial pet food.

“Preparation of pet foods in this country is such that molds...and

toxins from condemned meats, hormones, mixed allergens, plus any

exogenous [added] material needed to meet basic requirements for

manufacturing, are present in the available diets on the market. In

commercial foods, dry foods are the easiest to mask impure protein

additives, canned foods next, then fresh frozen foods the most

difficult...†Just like people, our pets need a broad spectrum of

natural food nutrients to stay healthy and age gracefully.

 

The following article is a healthy diet for dogs. If you want the

diet for cats, email me back and request it.

 

A Healthy Diet Approach for Dogs

 

It is highly recommended that all of the produce and meat that you

choose for your dog should be from ORGANICALLY grown sources.

 

Timing of Eating - Natural Body Cycle:

 

Your dog should be fed in compliance with their bodies metabolic

cycle. The body seems to have three different metabolic periods which

cycle every 24 hours.

 

1) Elimination and maintenance period: From 4am to noon the cells

are dumping waste products, and manufacturing and/or repairing cells.

Choose foods for your dog's breakfast that allow his/her body to

continue the process of elimination and maintenance.

 

2) Digestive period: From noon to 8pm their bodies metabolism is

geared towards digestion. Since digestion of foods demands a

tremendous amount of energy, it would make sense to feed your dog the

biggest meal between noon and 8pm. The earlier within this time frame,

the better.

 

3) Assimilation period: From 8pm to 4am the body is mobilizing

nutrients and directing them to the cells.

 

Feeding your dog in compliance with these three metabolic periods will

afford their bodies more efficient digestion, assimilation, cleansing

and maintenance of the cells and therefore good health and when

necessary, proper healing can occur.

 

Breakfast:

 

Give your dog some fruits in the morning. They are the simplest and

most efficient way for their body to produce energy.

 

A meal of fruits is the ideal way to break their fast each day after

sleeping. Fruit is so easily digested that it provides more energy

than it uses in the digestive process. It also encourages internal

cleansing that helps rid their body of toxins.

 

• Here's an assortment of different fruits that your dog may

enjoy: apples, pears, bananas, papayas, mangos, apricots, peaches and

figs. Make sure you remove the skin as dogs cannot digest fruit skins.

 

Here's what Dr. Billinghurst, DVM, says about fruits nutritional value

for dogs:

 

" Fruits are mostly water. After that, the major nutrient in fruit is

soluble carbohydrate. That is simple sugars. Energy foods. Fruit

contains lots of fiber, both soluble and insoluble. It also contains

vitamin, enzymes, and antioxidants. Because fruit is a whole food, it

also contains minerals, small amounts of protein, and small amount of

fats. "

 

" Two nutrients present in most raw fruits, vitamin A as carotene, and

vitamin C, make fruit a valuable food for your dog..... "

 

" What fruit should a dog eat? ....tropical fruits are a particularly

valuable foods. They contain high levels of enzymes, and lots of

antioxidants... "

 

" The older the dog, the more important it is that fruit form a part of

it's diet....It is particularly valuable for arthritic dogs. Another

reason that fruit is youth food, is because it is low in fat and low

in protein. " (pgs. 189-191).

 

• Another alternative in offering fruits to your dog is to make

him/her a fruit smoothie. The older the dog or the sicker the dog, the

more the smoothie is the way to go to feed fruits to your dog. Add

in the blender with some spring water his/her favorite fruits.

Examples of a typical fruit smoothie based on a small size dog (4 to

12 lbs): 1/4 of a banana, 1 tablespoon of papaya meat, 1/2 of a fig

without the skin and 1/4 of an apple without the skin . Blend all

together. You can add supplements to the smoothie from the

recommended supplements listed at the end of this article.

 

Of course these portions can vary according to the size of your dog.

Remember you are working with whole foods so just use your own

judgment in terms of how much fruit to give your dog for breakfast.

 

The only fruits not to add in the smoothie mix are melons. If you

want to feed your dog these fruits, feed it to him/her separately as a

snack.

 

If you are worried about the sugar content of the fruits for your dog,

then choose the fruits from the low-glycemic fruits family to start

his/her day. Here's a list: Apples, oranges, cherries, peaches, all

berries, plums and pears. These fruits will release their glucose

into the blood more slowly and require (cause) a more moderate insulin

response because they are high in fiber.

 

Lunch:

 

This meal is your dog's main and largest meal. You can either cook

these foods or give them to your dog raw (my first preference is

always raw).. It is best to feed your dog this meal before 5pm. If

you are going to cook the foods recommended below please consider

using either fresh, unheated coconut oil or ghee (clarified butter).

Better yet, don’t use oil at all, but steam the food at very low

temperature.

 

Best meat to feed your dog is wild meat (deer, elk, moose,

rabbit....etc.), followed by organic meat purchased from your local

health food stores (chicken, beef, mutton, or turkey).

 

If you are feeding your dog raw veggies, the best method for ideal

digestion is to juice the vegetables and give the dog the juice and

the pulp of the veggies. A second ideal way of offering raw veggies

to your dog is to put them in a food processor and process it a few

times until the veggies are mushy and watery.

 

Here are some examples of your dog's once-a-day big meal. As you will

note I'm recommending in the following meals one type of protein

source mixed with veggies:

 

1- Ground meat (chicken, turkey, beef, deer, rabbit...etc. cooked

or raw) mixed with zucchini juice and its pulp. You can add other

types of veggies to this meal. For example, you can juice some

carrots and mix the ground meat with the few tablespoons of the juice

and a modest amount of the pulp. Other veggies to consider are kale,

zucchini, squash, celery, and cucumber. If you are going to cook the

meat, steam it lightly (semi raw).

 

 

2. Beef or lamb bone with bone marrow. If you are going to feed

your dog a bone it should be fed to him/her raw and let them dig the

bone marrow out of the bone. If you are going to cook it don’t cook

the bones. Cooked bones are dangerous to your dog's health as the

bone will harden up with cooking and can hurt your dog's throat.

Take the bone marrow out of the bone and cook it alone for your dog

(don’t over cook it, just steam it lightly). Mix the bone marrow with

some veggies as in the first recommended meal.

 

3. Boiled or raw egg mixed with some veggies as in the first

recommended meal. It is particularly important that if you are going

to feed your dog raw eggs to make sure that you only purchase organic

eggs. Boiling an egg would be the next best alternative way to offer

eggs to your dog as a source of protein.

 

Dinner:

 

This meal should be more of a snack than a meal. Since the liver and

kidneys work at night, while the dog is asleep, to process foods and

detoxify the body, it is best not to feed dogs heavy meals at night.

If you feel that your dog must eat something at night, give him/her a

snack from the following choices:

 

1) 1/4 of an avocado (must be real ripe).

2) Mashed organic avocado with some fresh zucchini juice and pulp

or some steamed zucchini.

3) One to two tablespoons of goat yogurt with real

cultured/friendly bacteria.

4) Steamed yam with steamed zucchini mashed together.

5) Soaked almonds with brown shell removed. Add together in a food

processor with some raw or cooked zucchini and blend together into a

mushy consistency. Or use raw organic almond butter.

6) Steamed artichoke heart mixed with raw avocado.

 

Snacks:

 

1. Fresh fruits.

2. Madjol organic dates.

3. Raw carrots.

4. An avocado slice.

5. A raw bone to chew on.

6. Fresh coconut meat and coconut water (very healing for the

kidneys) from Baby Green Coconuts.

7. Kelp or nori sea weeds dried sheets.

 

Recommended Supplements:

 

1. For better digestion and assimilation of foods I recommend the

use of probiotics (acidophilus and bifidus) and enzyme supplements.

Every meal whether cooked or raw should have enzymes powder sprinkled

on it to help aid digestion and assimilation. Probiotics and enzymes

are highly effective if they are micro blended with a food high in

minerals and trace elements such as wild-crafted blue green algae.

 

2. For added nutrients to supplement dogs’ meals I recommend

food-based supplements such as wheat grass, a variety of sprouts and

wild-crafted blue green algae.

 

3. For better protection against free radical damage (oxidative

stress) I recommend whole food antioxidants like wheat sprouts, red

algae, wheat grass or CoQ10 micro blended with wild-crafted blue green

algae.

 

References:

Billinghurst, Ian, DVM. (1993). Give Your Dog a Bone. Australia

 

Wishing you and your pets extraordinary health,

Katharine Clark

808-280-8414

kcalgae

[Guest guest]

At Wed, 9 May 2007 it looks like naturesdakini composed:

 

> Real Foods = Healthy Dogs and Cats

>

 

Hello,

 

Thanks for the meal-by-meal breakdown/recommendations for dogs, any

for cats?

 

Thanks

 

> References:

> Billinghurst, Ian, DVM. (1993). Give Your Dog a Bone. Australia

>

> Wishing you and your pets extraordinary health,

> Katharine Clark

> 808-280-8414

> kcalgae

>

>

 

--

" Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday,

lying in hospitals dying of nothing. "

-- Redd Foxx

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting this. We should be just as concerned about our pets diets

as we are about ours. :-) I feed all my pets (two dogs, a cat and two rats)

raw and they are all super healthy. They don't smell, their waste products

don't smell aweful anymore, they don't have fleas and they never need baths!

It's amazing. Raw is wonderful for pets too!!!

 

All the best,

 

Audrey

www.rawhealing.com

 

 

> " naturesdakini " <KCAlgae

>rawfood

>rawfood

>[Raw Food] pet foods

>Wed, 09 May 2007 20:40:54 -0000

>

>Real Foods = Healthy Dogs and Cats

>

>With the major recall of 60 million containers of pet foods recently

>in the US and Canada as a result of dogs and cats dying of kidney

>failure, it is so important to seriously consider switching from

>feeding your pets commercial wet or dry foods to feeding them real

>healthy foods.

>

>Although we have come to accept commercial foods as a normal and

>natural way to feed our pets, in fact they are not. Commercial dry or

>wet pet foods lack most of the vital nutrients that an animal in the

>wild would be getting from nature. Pet food manufacturers draw from a

>widely fluctuating market of available ingredients. Some are listed in

>vague terms like “meat meal� or “poultry by-products� and can vary

>widely in their quality and digestibility. They may include food

>rejected by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) for human

>consumption, such as moldy grains or rancid animal fats.

>

>In Dr. Pitcairn’s Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs & Cats,

>Alfred Plechner, D.V.M., offers this look at commercial pet food.

>“Preparation of pet foods in this country is such that molds...and

>toxins from condemned meats, hormones, mixed allergens, plus any

>exogenous [added] material needed to meet basic requirements for

>manufacturing, are present in the available diets on the market. In

>commercial foods, dry foods are the easiest to mask impure protein

>additives, canned foods next, then fresh frozen foods the most

>difficult...� Just like people, our pets need a broad spectrum of

>natural food nutrients to stay healthy and age gracefully.

>

>The following article is a healthy diet for dogs. If you want the

>diet for cats, email me back and request it.

>

>A Healthy Diet Approach for Dogs

>

>It is highly recommended that all of the produce and meat that you

>choose for your dog should be from ORGANICALLY grown sources.

>

>Timing of Eating - Natural Body Cycle:

>

>Your dog should be fed in compliance with their bodies metabolic

>cycle. The body seems to have three different metabolic periods which

>cycle every 24 hours.

>

>1) Elimination and maintenance period: From 4am to noon the cells

>are dumping waste products, and manufacturing and/or repairing cells.

> Choose foods for your dog's breakfast that allow his/her body to

>continue the process of elimination and maintenance.

>

>2) Digestive period: From noon to 8pm their bodies metabolism is

>geared towards digestion. Since digestion of foods demands a

>tremendous amount of energy, it would make sense to feed your dog the

>biggest meal between noon and 8pm. The earlier within this time frame,

>the better.

>

>3) Assimilation period: From 8pm to 4am the body is mobilizing

>nutrients and directing them to the cells.

>

>Feeding your dog in compliance with these three metabolic periods will

>afford their bodies more efficient digestion, assimilation, cleansing

>and maintenance of the cells and therefore good health and when

>necessary, proper healing can occur.

>

>Breakfast:

>

>Give your dog some fruits in the morning. They are the simplest and

>most efficient way for their body to produce energy.

>

>A meal of fruits is the ideal way to break their fast each day after

>sleeping. Fruit is so easily digested that it provides more energy

>than it uses in the digestive process. It also encourages internal

>cleansing that helps rid their body of toxins.

>

>• Here's an assortment of different fruits that your dog may

>enjoy: apples, pears, bananas, papayas, mangos, apricots, peaches and

>figs. Make sure you remove the skin as dogs cannot digest fruit skins.

>

>Here's what Dr. Billinghurst, DVM, says about fruits nutritional value

>for dogs:

>

> " Fruits are mostly water. After that, the major nutrient in fruit is

>soluble carbohydrate. That is simple sugars. Energy foods. Fruit

>contains lots of fiber, both soluble and insoluble. It also contains

>vitamin, enzymes, and antioxidants. Because fruit is a whole food, it

>also contains minerals, small amounts of protein, and small amount of

>fats. "

>

> " Two nutrients present in most raw fruits, vitamin A as carotene, and

>vitamin C, make fruit a valuable food for your dog..... "

>

> " What fruit should a dog eat? ....tropical fruits are a particularly

>valuable foods. They contain high levels of enzymes, and lots of

>antioxidants... "

>

> " The older the dog, the more important it is that fruit form a part of

>it's diet....It is particularly valuable for arthritic dogs. Another

>reason that fruit is youth food, is because it is low in fat and low

>in protein. " (pgs. 189-191).

>

>• Another alternative in offering fruits to your dog is to make

>him/her a fruit smoothie. The older the dog or the sicker the dog, the

>more the smoothie is the way to go to feed fruits to your dog. Add

>in the blender with some spring water his/her favorite fruits.

>Examples of a typical fruit smoothie based on a small size dog (4 to

>12 lbs): 1/4 of a banana, 1 tablespoon of papaya meat, 1/2 of a fig

>without the skin and 1/4 of an apple without the skin . Blend all

>together. You can add supplements to the smoothie from the

>recommended supplements listed at the end of this article.

>

>Of course these portions can vary according to the size of your dog.

>Remember you are working with whole foods so just use your own

>judgment in terms of how much fruit to give your dog for breakfast.

>

>The only fruits not to add in the smoothie mix are melons. If you

>want to feed your dog these fruits, feed it to him/her separately as a

>snack.

>

>If you are worried about the sugar content of the fruits for your dog,

>then choose the fruits from the low-glycemic fruits family to start

>his/her day. Here's a list: Apples, oranges, cherries, peaches, all

>berries, plums and pears. These fruits will release their glucose

>into the blood more slowly and require (cause) a more moderate insulin

>response because they are high in fiber.

>

>Lunch:

>

>This meal is your dog's main and largest meal. You can either cook

>these foods or give them to your dog raw (my first preference is

>always raw).. It is best to feed your dog this meal before 5pm. If

>you are going to cook the foods recommended below please consider

>using either fresh, unheated coconut oil or ghee (clarified butter).

>Better yet, don’t use oil at all, but steam the food at very low

>temperature.

>

>Best meat to feed your dog is wild meat (deer, elk, moose,

>rabbit....etc.), followed by organic meat purchased from your local

>health food stores (chicken, beef, mutton, or turkey).

>

>If you are feeding your dog raw veggies, the best method for ideal

>digestion is to juice the vegetables and give the dog the juice and

>the pulp of the veggies. A second ideal way of offering raw veggies

>to your dog is to put them in a food processor and process it a few

>times until the veggies are mushy and watery.

>

>Here are some examples of your dog's once-a-day big meal. As you will

>note I'm recommending in the following meals one type of protein

>source mixed with veggies:

>

>1- Ground meat (chicken, turkey, beef, deer, rabbit...etc. cooked

>or raw) mixed with zucchini juice and its pulp. You can add other

>types of veggies to this meal. For example, you can juice some

>carrots and mix the ground meat with the few tablespoons of the juice

>and a modest amount of the pulp. Other veggies to consider are kale,

>zucchini, squash, celery, and cucumber. If you are going to cook the

>meat, steam it lightly (semi raw).

>

>

>2. Beef or lamb bone with bone marrow. If you are going to feed

>your dog a bone it should be fed to him/her raw and let them dig the

>bone marrow out of the bone. If you are going to cook it don’t cook

>the bones. Cooked bones are dangerous to your dog's health as the

>bone will harden up with cooking and can hurt your dog's throat.

>Take the bone marrow out of the bone and cook it alone for your dog

>(don’t over cook it, just steam it lightly). Mix the bone marrow with

>some veggies as in the first recommended meal.

>

>3. Boiled or raw egg mixed with some veggies as in the first

>recommended meal. It is particularly important that if you are going

>to feed your dog raw eggs to make sure that you only purchase organic

>eggs. Boiling an egg would be the next best alternative way to offer

>eggs to your dog as a source of protein.

>

>Dinner:

>

>This meal should be more of a snack than a meal. Since the liver and

>kidneys work at night, while the dog is asleep, to process foods and

>detoxify the body, it is best not to feed dogs heavy meals at night.

>If you feel that your dog must eat something at night, give him/her a

>snack from the following choices:

>

>1) 1/4 of an avocado (must be real ripe).

>2) Mashed organic avocado with some fresh zucchini juice and pulp

>or some steamed zucchini.

>3) One to two tablespoons of goat yogurt with real

>cultured/friendly bacteria.

>4) Steamed yam with steamed zucchini mashed together.

>5) Soaked almonds with brown shell removed. Add together in a food

>processor with some raw or cooked zucchini and blend together into a

>mushy consistency. Or use raw organic almond butter.

>6) Steamed artichoke heart mixed with raw avocado.

>

>Snacks:

>

>1. Fresh fruits.

>2. Madjol organic dates.

>3. Raw carrots.

>4. An avocado slice.

>5. A raw bone to chew on.

>6. Fresh coconut meat and coconut water (very healing for the

>kidneys) from Baby Green Coconuts.

>7. Kelp or nori sea weeds dried sheets.

>

>Recommended Supplements:

>

>1. For better digestion and assimilation of foods I recommend the

>use of probiotics (acidophilus and bifidus) and enzyme supplements.

>Every meal whether cooked or raw should have enzymes powder sprinkled

>on it to help aid digestion and assimilation. Probiotics and enzymes

>are highly effective if they are micro blended with a food high in

>minerals and trace elements such as wild-crafted blue green algae.

>

>2. For added nutrients to supplement dogs’ meals I recommend

>food-based supplements such as wheat grass, a variety of sprouts and

>wild-crafted blue green algae.

>

>3. For better protection against free radical damage (oxidative

>stress) I recommend whole food antioxidants like wheat sprouts, red

>algae, wheat grass or CoQ10 micro blended with wild-crafted blue green

>algae.

>

>References:

>Billinghurst, Ian, DVM. (1993). Give Your Dog a Bone. Australia

>

>Wishing you and your pets extraordinary health,

>Katharine Clark

>808-280-8414

>kcalgae

>

>

 

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Hi everyone,

 

I totally agree with feeding animals raw and have been feeding my own

dog raw for 5 yrs. I have learned a lot over the years and thought

some might be interested. I started with the frozen commercial mixes

but the more I learned, the more it made sense to simplify. While

these complicated raw diets for dogs are probably better than kibble

or canned food made with corn and chicken fat, there's lots of room

for improvement. We just have to unravel what we've been taught

(once again...). Here's what I've found:

 

Dogs are descended from wolves and have the same digestive system.

So they are designed to eat prey animals--mainly raw meat, some

bones, some organs, and other parts. They are carnivores and can't

digest fruits, veggies, or other starches well. Wolf studies have

shown that they do not eat the stomach contents of their prey (some

of the veggie ideas came from a misunderstanding about this). They

may eat the occasional berry in season, or munch a bit of grass, but

that is totally different from having a significant part of the diet

be carrots, broccoli, and apples. And their primary and preferred

diet is the large game they hunt and kill as a pack.

 

It's interesting how the content and frequency of the meals listed

below resemble our own culture's misguided eating habits (3 meals a

day, complex combinations...). In nature, would you really find a

dog or wolf eating anything like that? Actually, they tend to make a

kill, gorge--which lasts them a few days or more--then kill again.

Some of the information below is applicable to humans, but not dogs.

Yes, fruits are easy for humans to digest, but not for dogs. Meat is

easy for dogs to digest, and not for humans. Just as we do not need

meat for protein, dogs do not need veggies for vitamins & minerals.

 

I realize Billinghurst is a vet, but as we all know, there are many

doctors who don't understand nutrition.

 

So, it really needn't be that complicated! :-)

 

If you want more information, this is a great site ( " Myths About Raw

Feeding " ) that fleshes out all these issues: http://rawfed.com/myths/

 

If this makes sense and you want help with the how-to's (this list

isn't for debating the issues), check out this list of over 8000

members: http://pets.rawfeeding/

 

To the health of all,

 

Laurie

 

 

rawfood , " naturesdakini " <KCAlgae wrote:

> Breakfast:

>

> Give your dog some fruits in the morning. They are the simplest and

> most efficient way for their body to produce energy.

>

> A meal of fruits is the ideal way to break their fast each day after

> sleeping. Fruit is so easily digested that it provides more energy

> than it uses in the digestive process. It also encourages internal

> cleansing that helps rid their body of toxins.

>> Lunch:

>

> This meal is your dog's main and largest meal. You can either cook

> these foods or give them to your dog raw (my first preference is

> always raw).. It is best to feed your dog this meal before 5pm. If

> you are going to cook the foods recommended below please consider

> using either fresh, unheated coconut oil or ghee (clarified

butter).

> Dinner:

>

> This meal should be more of a snack than a meal. Since the liver

and

> kidneys work at night, while the dog is asleep, to process foods and

> detoxify the body, it is best not to feed dogs heavy meals at

night.

> If you feel that your dog must eat something at night, give him/her

a

> snack from the following choices:

>

> 1) 1/4 of an avocado (must be real ripe).

> 2) Mashed organic avocado with some fresh zucchini juice and

pulp

> or some steamed zucchini.

> 3) One to two tablespoons of goat yogurt with real

> cultured/friendly bacteria.

> 4) Steamed yam with steamed zucchini mashed together.

> 5) Soaked almonds with brown shell removed. Add together in a

food

> processor with some raw or cooked zucchini and blend together into a

> mushy consistency. Or use raw organic almond butter.

> 6) Steamed artichoke heart mixed with raw avocado.

>

> Snacks:

>

> 1. Fresh fruits.

> 2. Madjol organic dates.

> 3. Raw carrots.

> 4. An avocado slice.

> 5. A raw bone to chew on.

> 6. Fresh coconut meat and coconut water (very healing for the

> kidneys) from Baby Green Coconuts.

> 7. Kelp or nori sea weeds dried sheets.

>

> Recommended Supplements:

>

> 1. For better digestion and assimilation of foods I recommend the

> use of probiotics (acidophilus and bifidus) and enzyme supplements.

> Every meal whether cooked or raw should have enzymes powder

sprinkled

> on it to help aid digestion and assimilation. Probiotics and

enzymes

> are highly effective if they are micro blended with a food high in

> minerals and trace elements such as wild-crafted blue green algae.

>

> 2. For added nutrients to supplement dogs’ meals I recommend

> food-based supplements such as wheat grass, a variety of sprouts

and

> wild-crafted blue green algae.

>

> 3. For better protection against free radical damage (oxidative

> stress) I recommend whole food antioxidants like wheat sprouts, red

> algae, wheat grass or CoQ10 micro blended with wild-crafted blue

green

> algae.

>

> References:

> Billinghurst, Ian, DVM. (1993). Give Your Dog a Bone. Australia

>

> Wishing you and your pets extraordinary health,

> Katharine Clark

> 808-280-8414

> kcalgae

>

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " naturesdakini " <KCAlgae wrote:

 

> 3. For better protection against free radical damage (oxidative

> stress) I recommend whole food antioxidants like wheat sprouts, red

> algae, wheat grass or CoQ10 micro blended with wild-crafted blue green

> algae.

 

Would you know how to go about growing your own wild-crafted

blue-green algae?

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info about the raw dog foods. I was happy that someone

(Laurie) wrote abck and spoke to it more simply.

 

That is my understanding as well, that mostly they eat raw meat, a tiny bit

of vegetable matter and no fruit.

 

The menu though well thought out did sound very complicated and does sound

more like a human diet.

 

My little buddy Miss Sweetie (a mini dachsie) used to get sick very

frequently. Now having been on raw bones and meat for a year, she is the

picture of

health and happiness. I feed her twice a day because she is tiny.

 

She does not gain or lost weight but stays in perfect shape.

 

I have found a good local supplier for the meat. It's not organic, sorry

little buddy, but it is very good and fresh.

 

Thanks for sharing,

Annie and Miss Sweetie

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

This makes so much more sense to me. Laurie, do you have suggestions for cats

as well, or would you say that the same applies?

 

Donna

*O :-)

 

Dogs are descended from wolves and have the same digestive system. So they are

designed to eat prey animals--mainly raw meat, some bones, some organs, and

other parts. They are carnivores and can't digest fruits, veggies, or other

starches well. Wolf studies have

shown that they do not eat the stomach contents of their prey (some of the

veggie ideas came from a misunderstanding about this). They may eat the

occasional berry in season, or munch a bit of grass, but that is totally

different from having a significant part of the diet be carrots, broccoli, and

apples. And their primary and preferred diet is the large game they hunt and

kill as a pack.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna,

 

I don't have cats so haven't gotten too into that info, but I believe

they are pretty similar. They can sometimes be a little trickier to

switch to raw from what I hear, though. There is some talk of cats on

the rawfeeding list I mentioned and there is a sister list rawcat

(). Let me know if you are interested and can't find it.

 

Laurie

 

 

 

rawfood , " Donna " <wonder_woman wrote:

>

> This makes so much more sense to me. Laurie, do you have suggestions

for cats as well, or would you say that the same applies?

>

> Donna

> *O :-)

>

[Guest guest]

My cats eat raw. They don't care for veggies very much…but I did

have one cat who love cantaloupe, milk, meat and more. The problem I

have had is finding quality meat to give them, and you have to make

sure that they are getting taurine (this is necessary for cats or

they can go blind, and it is not found in vegetables). I have found

a few products that I get for my cats Wild Kitty, Raw Advantage,

Nature's Variety (in fact I have some chicken and Salmon nuggets

4lbs that my cats don't care for if anyone want to buy them I will

let you have them for $15.00, I paid $19 +shipping + the raw food

surcharge) my number is 356-9711

 

The web sites for this food are:

http://www.wildkittycatfood.com/wkdirect.html

http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Primal-Pet-Foods-Raw-Cat-Food

 

 

Love

Nadhirrah

www.summerbear.org

 

 

 

> rawfood , " Donna " <wonder_woman@> wrote:

> >

> > This makes so much more sense to me. Laurie, do you have

suggestions

> for cats as well, or would you say that the same applies?

> >

> > Donna

> > *O :-)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna,

 

I've started raw feeding my cats. Like dogs, cats are naturally

wild and will kill and eat smaller animals if allowed to. I

researched online for information, ratios, recipes, etc. and I found

that dogs and cats need different ratios of fat:protein as well as

some different suppliments. That being said, I just joined RawCat

and it seems to me that most owners feed their cats and dogs similar

diets. For the most part, they don't use many suppliments and/or

vitamins. Instead, they rely on feeding meat, bones, and organs,

preferably as a whole from one animal.

 

My cats are slowly getting used to eating this way. Like us, after

eating unhealthy fillers and chemicals, it is taking them time to

adjust, but are enjoying it!

 

I'll stop there. I recommend joining one (or both) of the groups

Laurie recommended for more information and support.

 

Jenn

 

rawfood , " Donna " <wonder_woman wrote:

>

> This makes so much more sense to me. Laurie, do you have

suggestions for cats as well, or would you say that the same applies?

>

> Donna

> *O :-)

>

[Guest guest]

Like us when we eat a healthy raw diet, dogs and cats don't need

supplementation. Cats need more fat than dogs, but both species can

get ALL of their need through the whole prey model.

 

kristi

On May 11, 2007, at 11:28 AM, rabbit_is_wise_04 wrote:

 

> Hi Donna,

>

> I've started raw feeding my cats. Like dogs, cats are naturally

> wild and will kill and eat smaller animals if allowed to. I

> researched online for information, ratios, recipes, etc. and I found

> that dogs and cats need different ratios of fat:protein as well as

> some different suppliments. That being said, I just joined RawCat

> and it seems to me that most owners feed their cats and dogs similar

> diets. For the most part, they don't use many suppliments and/or

> vitamins. Instead, they rely on feeding meat, bones, and organs,

> preferably as a whole from one animal.

>

> My cats are slowly getting used to eating this way. Like us, after

> eating unhealthy fillers and chemicals, it is taking them time to

> adjust, but are enjoying it!

>

> I'll stop there. I recommend joining one (or both) of the groups

> Laurie recommended for more information and support.

>

> Jenn

>

> rawfood , " Donna " <wonder_woman wrote:

> >

> > This makes so much more sense to me. Laurie, do you have

> suggestions for cats as well, or would you say that the same applies?

> >

> > Donna

> > *O :-)

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

hi all,

most raw petfood info as well as commercial product is

canine...it's the larger market...and while similar,

DOES NOT meet feline requirements.

we've been feeding our furry friends raw for a while now..

here's some of our fav cat stuff...

 

Holisticat is great list....goes beyond food

http://www.holisticat.com/

 

here's some info on feline diet:

http://www.catnutrition.org/index.html

 

http://www.catinfo.org/

 

http://www.avma.org/publications/default.asp