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May 16, 2007

In a message dated 05/16/2007 11:33:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

thisgeneration writes:

We're so enthusiastic, we love our fellow human beings, and want so

much to help them become healthier and happier, but doing this can be

dispiriting for us. We deserve more than that, and need to be

directing our energy to where it will bear fruit.

What you said is so true. It's amazing and we have that amazement

undoubtedly. I too was not really receptive -- after a year's improvement with

the

high-powered blender. I should have realized, but I didn't " get it " . And

then, of course, once I experienced it, eating raw was worlds apart. I have to

print out what you said about directing our energy where it will bear fruit

because you said this so well. Even though we MUST admit our genuine

enthusiasm is counter-productive -- it can't be different for us, knowledge and

exerience-wise.

So what do we do ? We fail to realize that we deserve more than that. And

too, that we need to be directing our energy to where it will bear fruit. Oh

my gosh ! You are so right. I might need to have that pointed out to me

any number of times in the future.

Yes, if we're gorgeous -- it isn't because we haven't tried to help, is it ?

Then again, we're cutting ourselves if we don't realize when the efforts to

help others are wasted.

I, for one, will have to spend some time getting this to play out for real.

Someday in the future, I might be accommodating. I can see that people want

to keep their security. And they want approval. So even if we know and see

a cross-purpose and find ourselves seeing other people brooking

unhealthiness -- we might might get to know, too, that there is something

stifling to

their spirit that comes along with our good intentions.

Our raw wishes and words certainly come from love -- but what we are doing

is NOT approving : our hopes actually carry DIS-approval of the person whose

eating we want to improve. We are cutting AGAINST a LIFETIME of BODILY

habits -- it's easy to see that in suggesting something so different and out of

the blue that we are TAKING AWAY SECURITY from a person who has eaten this way.

Everyone needs love, and this mean also approval and security.

How can we expect a message that cuts so harshly to bear fruit ? We hope

and love and want for them -- we have such a healthy and strong lifeforce on

our side. There's lot's we can do. We certainly should be able to stop trying

to scotch/short-circuit/thwart someone else's basic and deep needs with our

raw power. How gorgeous are we then ?

Keep good,

Jerry

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May 16, 2007

Hi Elchanan and all

I feel the same way (you put it so beautifully).

In my few months of 'raw', I've already found that it is a big waste

of our precious energy and time to try to persuade or convert, or

even to simply give information to people unless we're pretty sure

they're open and receptive ('ears to hear') to what we're saying.

We're so enthusiastic, we love our fellow human beings, and want so

much to help them become healthier and happier, but doing this can be

dispiriting for us. We deserve more than that, and need to be

directing our energy to where it will bear fruit.

There are some people we all know who, we sadly suspect, will never

be in that state, eg my wonderful mother-in-law - she is wonderful -

who thinks I have a 'problem' with food, or indeed my mother, who,

despite my example and arguments of the last 25 years, does not seem

to have ever had the slightest medical or moral qualms re eating

murdered animals - she and Dad in late 70s now - diabetes, sight

problems, the usual...and when I gently approach the subject of links

between meat-eating and illness (let alone cooked food!), her answer

is 'well, I hear what you're saying, but I'm going to continue to

follow a mixed diet, because I enjoy meat' (!!).

And there are many people who are just like we were months, or years

ago. They may never be receptive, or they may simply be on a

different stage of the path. I know that in the Eighties I wouldn't

even look at Leslie Kenton's best-selling book - despite my being

vegetarian, my ears were firmly closed. 'Raw'? Yuk.

I try now not to say too much, if anything, about what I eat, knowing

that every so often someone will look at eg a snack I've brought for

a journey and open discussion. Also, rather than talk at length, I

tell people who are interested to trawl the web - there are enough

sites out there!

We can also influence by example of course - in the way we approach

life in general, and of course in the way we look... Karen Knowler

(UK raw foodist) said once that it is our DUTY to look gorgeous.

(And of course that includes guys).

Love

Debbie Took, Reading, UK

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> I see ... for me it's about choosing how, where, and when to apply

my time

> and energy.

>

> I have adopted the following as a principle for living:

>

> I give only to those who are ready, willing, and able to

receive what I

> have to give now.

>

> Helps me maintain focus, to live on-purpose.

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Terry Bakhtiari

> Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:45 AM

> rawfood

> RE: [Raw Food] INCONTINANCE

>

> well I can tell her about it. It is someone I work with and she was

just

> sharing this with me so I thought I would post here and see what

you all

> thought.

>

> Elchanan <Elchanan@PathOfHeal <Elchanan%40PathOfHealth.org>

th.org>

> wrote: Hi there,

>

> Is this person able to inquire on her own behalf?

>

> Elchanan

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May 16, 2007

I have not even discussed going raw to my friend because it never seemed to be

an opening so I do not know that she would not be receptive. So, the reason I

posted a question, like many others have, was simply to find out if anyone had

an experience with this particular issue. If so, and going raw helped them with

it, that would of, to me, been a great time to be able to approach her with a rf

lifestyle. Then I would leave it to her if she wanted to try it or not. I had no

intention on trying to waste a lot of time converting her so I am not sure why

a simple curiosity turned into wasting time converting people

deborah164951 <thisgeneration wrote: Hi Elchanan and

all