Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Hi Since going raw three months ago, I have noticed that my teeth are a little 'sensitive'. What I mean is: Sometimes my teeth in general feel a little 'cold'. Sometimes when I bite, my molars hurt just a little. I've eaten more fruit in the last few months, but wouldn't call my diet a 'high fruit' diet. There again, did have a bit of a 'thing' for Medjool dates in the early weeks, and hoping I'm not going to have my first fillings for 20 years. Comments? Love Debbie Took, Reading, UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 hardcore raw foodists have addressed this. It is a common and relatively serious side effect of raw eating. i am personally not able to explain the process but please please get professional advice about this. Dont just follow a fad leader. Ive run into it so many times whenreading the literature that i can tell you it should not be ignored. the enamel is getting thinner..theres are issues with phosphorus...its complex ... i also went thru that after about a month raw...it will get worse. Get expert opinions. peace anna On 5/19/07, deborah164951 <thisgeneration wrote: > Hi > > Since going raw three months ago, I have noticed that my teeth are a > little 'sensitive'. What I mean is: > > Sometimes my teeth in general feel a little 'cold'. > Sometimes when I bite, my molars hurt just a little. > > I've eaten more fruit in the last few months, but wouldn't call my > diet a 'high fruit' diet. There again, did have a bit of a 'thing' > for Medjool dates in the early weeks, and hoping I'm not going to have > my first fillings for 20 years. > > Comments? > > Love > > Debbie Took, Reading, UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 my understanding of this is that it has to do with an excess of citrus fruits, especially if they are being juiced. i am about 90% raw (when i'm not monodieting and going bananas) and i do not eat a lot of citrus...but i do eat a lot of fruit. i've not had problems with my teeth that i can tell. this should prove to be an interesting topic though. thanks. la Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: hardcore raw foodists have addressed this. It is a common and relatively serious side effect of raw eating. i am personally not able to explain the process but please please get professional advice about this. Dont just follow a fad leader. Ive run into it so many times whenreading the literature that i can tell you it should not be ignored. the enamel is getting thinner..theres are issues with phosphorus...its complex ... i also went thru that after about a month raw...it will get worse. Get expert opinions. peace anna On 5/19/07, deborah164951 wrote: > Hi > > Since going raw three months ago, I have noticed that my teeth are a > little 'sensitive'. What I mean is: > > Sometimes my teeth in general feel a little 'cold'. > Sometimes when I bite, my molars hurt just a little. > > I've eaten more fruit in the last few months, but wouldn't call my > diet a 'high fruit' diet. There again, did have a bit of a 'thing' > for Medjool dates in the early weeks, and hoping I'm not going to have > my first fillings for 20 years. > > Comments? > > Love > > Debbie Took, Reading, UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 OK...heres the controversy..lol My friend is a hygienist and I actually had a conversation with her about this a few weeks ago. She suggested a toothpaste to me. And I have been using it and it helps. The reason I say its controversial is I KNOW lots of you don't use commercial products or store bought stuff...but....if you want your teeth not to hurt so much here is what I use. The acids in fruits, wears down enamel on our teeth. People eating sad diets dont eat as much LIQUIDIZED acid. but raw fooders do. I use sensodynes PRONAMEL toothpaste, it protects against the effects of acid wear and hardens the enamel. My teeth dont bother me hardly ever anymore. Your only other choice is to make sure you brush THOROUGHLY after every piece of food you eat, thus reducing the acid in your mouth. " laura b. " <ladymomma wrote: my understanding of this is that it has to do with an excess of citrus fruits, especially if they are being juiced. Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 it might just be that..but pros know about citrus issues..they can just quit them and not have those problems....but they still have them...so it seems to me its more than just citrus. Otherwise the problem would only exist with the unaware. but i freely admit i am no expert on this topic. peace anna On 5/19/07, laura b. <ladymomma wrote: > my understanding of this is that it has to do with an excess of citrus > fruits, especially if they are being juiced. i am about 90% raw (when i'm > not monodieting and going bananas) and i do not eat a lot of citrus...but i > do eat a lot of fruit. i've not had problems with my teeth that i can tell. > this should prove to be an interesting topic though. thanks. > la > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: > hardcore raw foodists have addressed this. It is a common and > relatively serious side effect of raw eating. > > i am personally not able to explain the process but please please get > professional advice about this. Dont just follow a fad leader. Ive run > into it so many times whenreading the literature that i can tell you > it should not be ignored. > > the enamel is getting thinner..theres are issues with phosphorus...its > complex ... > i also went thru that after about a month raw...it will get worse. Get > expert opinions. > > peace > anna > > On 5/19/07, deborah164951 wrote: > > Hi > > > > Since going raw three months ago, I have noticed that my teeth are a > > little 'sensitive'. What I mean is: > > > > Sometimes my teeth in general feel a little 'cold'. > > Sometimes when I bite, my molars hurt just a little. > > > > I've eaten more fruit in the last few months, but wouldn't call my > > diet a 'high fruit' diet. There again, did have a bit of a 'thing' > > for Medjool dates in the early weeks, and hoping I'm not going to have > > my first fillings for 20 years. > > > > Comments? > > > > Love > > > > Debbie Took, Reading, UK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 outstanding! thank u laura! anna On 5/19/07, Dobby the house elf <dobeythehouseelf wrote: > OK...heres the controversy..lol > > My friend is a hygienist and I actually had a conversation with her about > this a few weeks ago. > > She suggested a toothpaste to me. And I have been using it and it helps. > > The reason I say its controversial is I KNOW lots of you don't use > commercial products or store bought stuff...but....if you want your teeth > not to hurt so much here is what I use. > > The acids in fruits, wears down enamel on our teeth. People eating sad > diets dont eat as much LIQUIDIZED acid. but raw fooders do. > > I use sensodynes PRONAMEL toothpaste, it protects against the effects of > acid wear and hardens the enamel. > > My teeth dont bother me hardly ever anymore. > > Your only other choice is to make sure you brush THOROUGHLY after every > piece of food you eat, thus reducing the acid in your mouth. > > > > " laura b. " <ladymomma wrote: my > understanding of this is that it has to do with an excess of citrus fruits, > especially if they are being juiced. > > > > > > > Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of > spyware protection. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Anna, you may not be an " expert on this topic, " but you did write you " also went thru that after about a month raw. " Care to share if and how you got to the other side? Thanks, -Erin www.zenpawn.com/vegblog rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > it might just be that..but pros know about citrus issues..they can > just quit them and not have those problems....but they still have > them...so it seems to me its more than just citrus. Otherwise the > problem would only exist with the unaware. > > but i freely admit i am no expert on this topic. > > peace > anna > > On 5/19/07, laura b. <ladymomma wrote: > > my understanding of this is that it has to do with an excess of citrus > > fruits, especially if they are being juiced. i am about 90% raw (when i'm > > not monodieting and going bananas) and i do not eat a lot of citrus...but i > > do eat a lot of fruit. i've not had problems with my teeth that i can tell. > > this should prove to be an interesting topic though. thanks. > > la > > > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: > > hardcore raw foodists have addressed this. It is a common and > > relatively serious side effect of raw eating. > > > > i am personally not able to explain the process but please please get > > professional advice about this. Dont just follow a fad leader. Ive run > > into it so many times whenreading the literature that i can tell you > > it should not be ignored. > > > > the enamel is getting thinner..theres are issues with phosphorus...its > > complex ... > > i also went thru that after about a month raw...it will get worse. Get > > expert opinions. > > > > peace > > anna > > > > On 5/19/07, deborah164951 wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > Since going raw three months ago, I have noticed that my teeth are a > > > little 'sensitive'. What I mean is: > > > > > > Sometimes my teeth in general feel a little 'cold'. > > > Sometimes when I bite, my molars hurt just a little. > > > > > > I've eaten more fruit in the last few months, but wouldn't call my > > > diet a 'high fruit' diet. There again, did have a bit of a 'thing' > > > for Medjool dates in the early weeks, and hoping I'm not going to have > > > my first fillings for 20 years. > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > Love > > > > > > Debbie Took, Reading, UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 this was last year..at that point i was aching horribly when i ate tangellos....i mean ache! so i stopped...i stayed raw for 2 more weeks increasing salads and dropping citrus but i couldnt take it anymore and began with cooked veggies. It stopped almost immediately. so you can say it was bad enough to make me stop eating raw. My husband was experiencing the same thing. He went back to steak. im back at raw now...not having any citrus..having green smoothies where i didnt before. I have been at this about 2 weeks so its early to feel it yet. Im gonna watch and wait....see what happens this time. peace anna On 5/19/07, Erin <truepatriot wrote: > Anna, you may not be an " expert on this topic, " but you did write > you " also went thru that after about a month raw. " Care to share > if and how you got to the other side? > > Thanks, > -Erin > www.zenpawn.com/vegblog > > > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > > > it might just be that..but pros know about citrus issues..they can > > just quit them and not have those problems....but they still have > > them...so it seems to me its more than just citrus. Otherwise the > > problem would only exist with the unaware. > > > > but i freely admit i am no expert on this topic. > > > > peace > > anna > > > > On 5/19/07, laura b. <ladymomma wrote: > > > my understanding of this is that it has to do with an excess of > citrus > > > fruits, especially if they are being juiced. i am about 90% raw > (when i'm > > > not monodieting and going bananas) and i do not eat a lot of > citrus...but i > > > do eat a lot of fruit. i've not had problems with my teeth that > i can tell. > > > this should prove to be an interesting topic though. thanks. > > > la > > > > > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: > > > hardcore raw foodists have addressed this. It is a common and > > > relatively serious side effect of raw eating. > > > > > > i am personally not able to explain the process but please please > get > > > professional advice about this. Dont just follow a fad leader. > Ive run > > > into it so many times whenreading the literature that i can tell > you > > > it should not be ignored. > > > > > > the enamel is getting thinner..theres are issues with > phosphorus...its > > > complex ... > > > i also went thru that after about a month raw...it will get > worse. Get > > > expert opinions. > > > > > > peace > > > anna > > > > > > On 5/19/07, deborah164951 wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > Since going raw three months ago, I have noticed that my teeth > are a > > > > little 'sensitive'. What I mean is: > > > > > > > > Sometimes my teeth in general feel a little 'cold'. > > > > Sometimes when I bite, my molars hurt just a little. > > > > > > > > I've eaten more fruit in the last few months, but wouldn't call > my > > > > diet a 'high fruit' diet. There again, did have a bit of > a 'thing' > > > > for Medjool dates in the early weeks, and hoping I'm not going > to have > > > > my first fillings for 20 years. > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > Love > > > > > > > > Debbie Took, Reading, UK > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Hi everybody I'd like to thank all who responded to my post on 'sensitive teeth', and thank in advance who might be yet to respond to it! Having collated the replies, and done a little research myself (but there's not much out there) I've come up with the following tentative hypotheses. Could be due to citrus fruit, esp. juiced. Well, although I don't 'juice' on a big scale, I have been having squeezed lemon and oil on salads virtually every day and have been getting through a lot of lemons. So I could be ingesting too much lemon juice (and oil!) So I'll think I'll try to get used to eating more salads without dressing - the tomatoes and avocado should make them wet enough. I will look out for Sensodyne 'Pronamel' toothpaste, which protects against acid and hardens enamel. Could be due to brushing thoroughly with a too-hard toothbrush. Saw something on internet which suggested using a softer toothbrush. Interestingly, at the start of going raw, I switched from an ordinary to an electric toothbrush, and have been brushing particularly thoroughly recently. Could simply be that! I will see if I can find a softer head. A dentist suggested waiting for at least one hour after eating or drinking anything acidic before brushing teeth (but gave no rationale for this). However, another supported this by saying that if you brush your teeth straight after a meal you will literally 'brush' the enamel off. (!!) This conflicted with some information that said 'Every time you eat or drink anything sugary, your teeth are under acid attack for up to one hour.' BTW, the first dentist said 'When you begin to chew, chew, chew, your enamel weakens' (and we're all told how beneficial it is to chew our food!). To summarise, advice from dentists made my head hurt... Could be due to nuts. I found this from David Wolfe: There is a great misconception that fruits are bad on the teeth. Why the myth of poor teeth on a fruitarian diet? The clue I picked up from Johnny Lovewisdom's book: 'Spiritualising Dietics: Vitarianism. " He attacks nuts and seeds, viciously as being the cause of teeth problems in fruitarians, not fruit. I've noticed that myself. Nuts leave an acid ash and are high in phosphorous which must be balanced with calcium (found abundantly and usable in greens). If you eta lots of nuts and seeds, you should also eat plenty of greens. If they are not balanced the phosphorous will eventually acidify the body and leech calcium from the bones, especially the jaw and teeth - the body is signalling the mouth to stop taking foods, especially the nuts and seeds.' I found that one interesting, as I've been getting a bit suspicious about nuts, esp. as used in industrial quantities as per so many RF recipes. I'm going to try cutting down nuts, and have always been attracted to the idea that I should be only eating as many as I might eat if I had to hand-crack each one myself (and I'm going to follow the squirrels (thanks to earlier contributor on this) and try always to soak them first. So, your replies have been extremely valuable, and have spurred me on to do further research, which, I hope, will benefit anyone else with this problem. Thank you forum - you may have saved my teeth! Love Debbie Took, Reading, UK rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > im back at raw now...not having any citrus..having green smoothies > where i didnt before. I have been at this about 2 weeks so its early > to feel it yet. Im gonna watch and wait....see what happens this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 rawfood , " deborah164951 " <thisgeneration wrote: [...] > Could be due to brushing thoroughly with a too-hard toothbrush. > Saw something on internet which suggested using a softer toothbrush. > Interestingly, at the start of going raw, I switched from an ordinary > to an electric toothbrush, and have been brushing particularly > thoroughly recently. Could simply be that! I will see if I can find > a softer head. I too use an electric toothbrush. I used to think I was doing myself a favor by using the higher of the two speed settings, but a recent discussion with my dentist had us concluding that the lower setting was just as effective at cleaning and less abrasive to the enamel. > A dentist suggested waiting for at least one hour after eating or > drinking anything acidic before brushing teeth (but gave no rationale > for this). However, another supported this by saying that if you > brush your teeth straight after a meal you will literally 'brush' the > enamel off. (!!) [...] I have heard this advice before too. However, a good rinse with water after an acidic meal was recommended. -Erin www.zenpawn.com/vegblog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 rawfood , " deborah164951 " <thisgeneration wrote:> > Having collated the replies, and done a little research myself (but > there's not much out there) I've come up with the following tentative > hypotheses. >> That's an excellent piece of detective work. I have always had poor teeth and occasional sensitivity that came and went, so when I experienced it after going raw, I didn't give it much thought. But I am sure it isn't because of lack of animal products because I am not veg and still eat animal products cooked or raw, and it isn't because of citrus because I don't eat much citrus and my recent shopping tells me I am consuming slightly less lemons after I switched from health food to raw food. I am positive that, for me, it is the chewing. Of course, our bodies need well-chewed food, but that doesn't mean it won't be hard on the teeth. Nuts could be involved because they need to be chewed more, and hard brushing also because of wear on the teeth. I think the answer is: we need to eat raw food, well chewed, but if your own teeth aren't up to the job, then get something else to do the job for you. That can be a food grinder, processor, wooden hammer etc. Or you can make your food softer if you marinate, culture or ferment it. That is what I am going to do. From now on, every raw crunchy I eat I'll have to " pre-chew " or pre-soften with something. Right now I've got my day's sprouts sitting in a glass of whey to lacto-ferment, and I've got mixed veg in wine and vinegar. I won't be buying special toothpaste -- I use powdered egg shells -- so I'll see how it goes. But good work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 I believe most of the problems we have with our teeth is because of all the soft, mushy, processed foods that we have become accustomed to eating. Our teeth/jaws need that grinding exercise just as our bodies need the weight bearing exercises to maintain the integrity of the skeletal/muscular frames of our bodies. Chewing has much more function than just to the digestive system. It also plays an important role in keeping all the cavities of the head clear. Grinding and chewing our fruits/vegetables keep the jaws strong and the teeth solid. Sharon In our hearts we plan our day, but it is God who determines our steps. Proverbs 16:9 Charlotte writes: I am positive that, for me, it is the chewing. Of course, our bodies need well-chewed food, but that doesn't mean it won't be hard on the teeth. Nuts could be involved because they need to be chewed more, and hard brushing also because of wear on the teeth. I think the answer is: we need to eat raw food, well chewed, but if your own teeth aren't up to the job, then get something else to do the job for you. That can be a food grinder, processor, wooden hammer etc. Or you can make your food softer if you marinate, culture or ferment it. Recent Activity a.. 36New Members<rawfood/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMGtzaGdjBF9TA\ zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzU1MjAzOTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDE1NDgyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZtYnJzB\ HN0aW1lAzExNzk3MzUyMTg-> b.. 1New Files<rawfood/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJnc21qcXBkBF9TAzk3M\ zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzU1MjAzOTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDE1NDgyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZmaWxlcwRzd\ GltZQMxMTc5NzM1MjE4> Visit Your Group <rawfood;_ylc=X3oDMTJlOXA0ZjkyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdy\ cElkAzU1MjAzOTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDE1NDgyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTE3OTcz\ NTIxOA--> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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