Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Hi, Is there any " medical people " on here? I take Zestoretic for high BP and want to do some green smoothies and fruits only for a while but wonder how this might affect my medicines. I take a lot of meds but the Zestoretic is the one I would worry about the most. Any ideas? My Doctor would not approve of a raw diet and having severe panic attacks I don't want to try to get to Little Rock to see another Doctor. TIA, ~Mimi ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 In a message dated 5/19/2007 5:55:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mowthpeece writes: you will need a doctor willing to work with you on transitioning to raw Anna, I don't have a Doctor to work with which is why I looking for information elsewhere. I also realize there is not going to be a Doctor on here to " tell me what to do. " I am looking for information to make my own decisions from. He is an old Army Doctor. I have no other. ~Mimi ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 In a message dated 5/19/2007 6:45:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mowthpeece writes: so it WILL change when eating raw. Its risky to play with it without good and constant monitoring. Good thing is you can use home monitoring kits these days. high bp like diabetes ia a manmade disease. Totally caused by food. With rare exception Anna, I have a cuff and know how to monitor my own BP. I have been doing it for years because when I was first put on BP meds I was found to have " white coat syndrome. " So on a regular basis and always before Doctor appts I always get a reading to compare against theirs. It's always 20pts higher (both top and bottom) when I'm in the office. What a mess!!! I just want to get healthier before I kill myself. I am also a T2 diabetic since Halloween 05. Both of my parents died from complications of diabetes. ~Mimi ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 In a message dated 5/19/2007 7:27:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mowthpeece writes: Raw wins out for so many reasons. the same advice follows for diabetes as hi bp..monitor your blood glucose often...it will be low quickly and easily....i have reactive hypoglycemia.hypoglycemia.<WBR>.this area is more f Anna, Yes, everything I have read says to me that raw can bring me back to health. My 'plain spoken' Doctor told me to take my meds to control the BS and not worry about what I'm eating... citing that the meds would take care of everything. I eat 'garbage' - plain and simple - all in the form of fast food. I fix/have NO home prepared anything. I can't help but believe that if I started with simple things like making some orange juice or limeade or lemonade instead of my cokes/dr peppers would start to make a difference. For some reason I am craving lemon/limes but don't know where that came from as I have been eating like this for years. ....Just slowly add/take away and start to lose weight. I HAVE to attempt something and a new Doc isn't an option. ~Mimi ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 im not surprised he wouldnt approve. Raw eating drops your bp like a rock but modern medicine doesnt want you curing yourself. With your meds youd be in trouble if you ate raw. you will need a doctor willing to work with you on transitioning to raw. good luck with that. The ADA and AMA are blood brothers.... i am NOT a doctor. peace <a very cynical> anna On 5/18/07, NeimanBarkusAR <NeimanBarkusAR wrote: > Hi, > Is there any " medical people " on here? > I take Zestoretic for high BP and want to do some green smoothies and > fruits > only for a while but wonder how this might affect my medicines. I take a > lot of meds but the Zestoretic is the one I would worry about the most. > Any ideas? > My Doctor would not approve of a raw diet and having severe panic attacks I > don't want to try to get to Little Rock to see another Doctor. > TIA, > ~Mimi > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 In a message dated 5/19/2007 10:22:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mowthpeece writes: Big Pharma is perfectly happy to have you on drugs for the diseases that you get from eating garbage from huge corporate fast food restaurants. theyre separating you from your money both coming and going. the system is set up for that Sooooooo true!!! I think I will just do baby steps and see what I can do for myself. My degree is out-dated and didn't advocate raw to begin with but common knowledge is the bigger part. of what I need to do. I know that more than 1/2 of all Americans are plugging along just like I have been but I am in so much pain with my weight and other ailments the time has come for me to act and act now! I'm sure I'll be posting for more help and encouragement. Thanks, ~Mimi ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 i wish i had the knowledge you seek...it is too dangerous to tell you what to do when your taking prescribed meds... see, it would take frequent measuring of your bp to make sure you didnt go up for lack of medication or go too low for taking meds with raw. If you cut back on the meds becuz u are eating raw and your bp goes up too high bad stuff can happen... same if drops too low too fast. My bp has never been high. Usually 110/68 ish...but when im raw...im 78/58. I sh*t you not. so it WILL change when eating raw. Its risky to play with it without good and constant monitoring. Good thing is you can use home monitoring kits these days. educate yourself on risks (which you probly are expert in already) of too low and too high, what the symptoms are, and tell your friends and family to watch you...if you decide to try it on your own. high bp like diabetes ia a manmade disease. Totally caused by food. With rare exception. good luck! anna On 5/19/07, NeimanBarkusAR <NeimanBarkusAR wrote: > > In a message dated 5/19/2007 5:55:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > mowthpeece writes: > > you will need a doctor willing to work with you on transitioning to raw > > > Anna, > I don't have a Doctor to work with which is why I looking for information > elsewhere. I also realize there is not going to be a Doctor on here to > " tell > me what to do. " > I am looking for information to make my own decisions from. > He is an old Army Doctor. I have no other. > ~Mimi > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 mimi, the tragedy of type 2 diabetes, and type 1 for that matter...can not be appreciated enough. That such a " disease " can cause complications that kill is just heart breaking. i have read many books on how they can be cured with raw food. I cant say this from experience not being diabetic...but it makes absolute sense. If your blood sugar is kept naturally low, you are not diabetic. Period. And this can totally be done with raw food....and atkins too for that matter but then you have problems with insulin resistance cuz of the high fat...so really atkins it not a long term solution, in my personal opinion. Raw wins out for so many reasons. the same advice follows for diabetes as hi bp..monitor your blood glucose often...it will be low quickly and easily....i have reactive hypoglycemia..this area is more familiar to me. but i am NOT a doctor. peace anna On 5/19/07, NeimanBarkusAR <NeimanBarkusAR wrote: > In a message dated 5/19/2007 6:45:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > mowthpeece writes: > > so it WILL change when eating raw. Its risky to play with it without > good and constant monitoring. Good thing is you can use home > monitoring kits these days. > high bp like diabetes ia a manmade disease. Totally caused by food. > With rare exception > > Anna, > I have a cuff and know how to monitor my own BP. I have been doing it for > years because when I was first put on BP meds I was found to have " white > coat > syndrome. " > So on a regular basis and always before Doctor appts I always get a reading > to compare against theirs. It's always 20pts higher (both top and bottom) > when I'm in the office. > What a mess!!! I just want to get healthier before I kill myself. I am > also a T2 diabetic since Halloween 05. > Both of my parents died from complications of diabetes. > ~Mimi > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 mimi, Big Pharma is perfectly happy to have you on drugs for the diseases that you get from eating garbage from huge corporate fast food restaurants. theyre separating you from your money both coming and going. the system is set up for that. you, and only you, can take your health into your own hands and fix these artificial diseases. just like you describe, little trades, a few at a time...will eventually wean you off the drugs that you shouldnt need in the first place. Big Pharma and Big Medicine have a lock down on health in this country...sadly, its all bogus. the word doesnt get out though because there is also Big Media... and that does nothing but spew the party line in order to get more money from your accounts to theirs any way it can. but i digress.... it sounds like youre on the road to better health...stick to it...! anna On 5/19/07, NeimanBarkusAR <NeimanBarkusAR wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/19/2007 7:27:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > mowthpeece writes: > > Raw wins out for so many reasons. > the same advice follows for diabetes as hi bp..monitor your blood > glucose often...it will be low quickly and easily....i have reactive > hypoglycemia.hypoglycemia.<WBR>.this area is more f > > > > Anna, > Yes, everything I have read says to me that raw can bring me back > to health. > My 'plain spoken' Doctor told me to take my meds to control the BS > and not > worry about what I'm eating... citing that the meds would take care of > everything. > I eat 'garbage' - plain and simple - all in the form of fast food. I > fix/have NO home prepared anything. > I can't help but believe that if I started with simple things like making > some orange juice or limeade or lemonade instead of my cokes/dr > peppers would > start to make a difference. > For some reason I am craving lemon/limes but don't know where that > came from > as I have been eating like this for years. > ...Just slowly add/take away and start to lose weight. > I HAVE to attempt something and a new Doc isn't an option. > ~Mimi > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 anytime...glad to be of support in some way.. anna On 5/19/07, NeimanBarkusAR <NeimanBarkusAR wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/19/2007 10:22:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > mowthpeece writes: > > Big Pharma is perfectly happy to have you on drugs for the diseases > that you > get > from eating garbage from huge corporate fast food restaurants. theyre > separating > you from your money both coming and going. the system is set up for that > > > Sooooooo true!!! > I think I will just do baby steps and see what I can do for myself. > My degree is out-dated and didn't advocate raw to begin with but common > knowledge is the bigger part. of what I need to do. > I know that more than 1/2 of all Americans are plugging along just like I > have been but I am in so much pain with my weight and other ailments the > time > has come for me to act and act now! > I'm sure I'll be posting for more help and encouragement. > Thanks, > ~Mimi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 rawfood , NeimanBarkusAR wrote: > I don't have a Doctor to work with which is why I looking for information > elsewhere. I also realize there is not going to be a Doctor on here to " tell > me what to do. " > I am looking for information to make my own decisions from. Well, if you'd like my non-AMA-approved advice, I'd say stop taking the bp medication because high blood pressure is good for you. When your heart becomes too weak to push blood into the outlying cells, the body responds by raising the blood pressure, so that all the cells are nourished. Reducing blood pressure by chemical means is the worst thing you can do. Instead, you should focus on heart health. This means taking magnesium, coQ10 and vitamin E. Also, some echinachea, garlic and colloid silver (for antibiotics) in case there are any bacteria lurking around in your heart tissue, as is quite possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Hey Mimi, I was having a discussion the other day with a group of people, all of whom were " diabetic. " One was 75 and has been diabetic for years, another is 21 or 22 and was just diagnosed with diabetes, and the third person was in his 50's and has been told for years that he is " borderline " (whatever that means). We were discussing how some doctors are starting to regard the " danger zone " to be anything above 140, instead of the typical 120. The point here is that diabetes is extremely subjective. What is acceptable and healthy for one person can be totally wrong for someone else. I think this can be translated to almost everything in life (except, of course, stuff like wearing a seat belt!), including other " diseases " or " conditions. " I've heard of a ton of people who have been able to stabilize their health (in regards to a variety of illnesses) through raw fooding. However, this shouldn't give you carte blanche to start scarfing down every " raw " thing you see in sight! An occassional avocado, cracker, handful of nuts, etc. is ok to eat. But keep in mind that these things are high in fat and may continue to affect your high bp. Instead, think about consuming lots of fruits and vegetables. If you are not cool with losing cooked meat, have a small portion of cooked meat along with a large salad for a meal. Inevitably, this healthier lifestyle will catch up to you. You may lose some weight (whether it is needed or not) as your body stabalizes. In the end, you- hopefully- will feel more energetic and overall much healthier. I'd also like to share my little story with you to maybe give you a little hope. I am 23 and severly overweight. I have been battling acute acid reflux for several years. I was prescribed Protonix as well as a muscle relaxant for my severe back and shoulder pain (relating to my weight, I'm sure). High cholesterol, high blood pressure, obesity, and diabetes run rampant throughout my family. As it is, I " suffer " from " high cholesterol " and obesity and was running straight towards a life of diabetes. Instead, I decided try raw fooding, something that had always called to me. In the first 2 weeks, I lost 10 lbs. I also stopped taking ALL of my medication and have not touched a single pill since! Now, you might be wondering what fabulous 100% raw diet I am on and I'll tell you a little secret: I'm only about 50% raw! I have all the fruit I want in the morning, a salad (or sometimes a cold sandwich) for lunch, and a salad with my cooked meal for dinner. I have slowly been transitioning to raw and found that dehydrating, etc. are just too much work, so I stick with whole fruit and veggies. So think about, if I'm only 50% raw and I have already seen an improvement in my life, think about what it could do for you! A couple of " green " smoothie ideas: 1) 1 handful kale (for acid reflux issues) or spinach, 1 handful of blueberries, 1 banana, and some water 2) 2 bananas, 2 handfuls of strawberries, 1 handful spinach, water 3) 1 handful spinach, juice of 1 lemon, 1 handful raspberries, water 4) 2-3 cups mixed fruit (Peach, pineapple, pears, berries, etc are all yummy) and water Tips: Add a couple of nuts for a crunch (but remember that too many nuts are not good for your bp or diabetes). Freeze some of the fruit or add ice to make it nice and frosty. Refridgerated fruit will make it nice and cold, but not as thick. These recipes are really fruit smoothies with an added bit of greens (you won't be able to taste them) for added vitamins. Here's to good health! Jenn rawfood , NeimanBarkusAR wrote: > > Hi, > Is there any " medical people " on here? > I take Zestoretic for high BP and want to do some green smoothies and fruits > only for a while but wonder how this might affect my medicines. I take a > lot of meds but the Zestoretic is the one I would worry about the most. > Any ideas? > My Doctor would not approve of a raw diet and having severe panic attacks I > don't want to try to get to Little Rock to see another Doctor. > TIA, > ~Mimi > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Hi Mimi, Of course there is more information than you have provided here, and no one here can give you medical advice at a distance. So here are just a few comments: 1. In general, a RF diet will normalize blood pressure ... IF that diet is salt-free. A low-fat approach such as we've been discussing lately will help a great deal. 2. FIRST transition to a healthful diet, then address the medication ... NOT the other way around. 3. My guess is that this is not the only med you are taking, correct? Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of NeimanBarkusAR Friday, May 18, 2007 5:49 PM rawfood [Raw Food] Potassium Hi, Is there any " medical people " on here? I take Zestoretic for high BP and want to do some green smoothies and fruits only for a while but wonder how this might affect my medicines. I take a lot of meds but the Zestoretic is the one I would worry about the most. Any ideas? My Doctor would not approve of a raw diet and having severe panic attacks I don't want to try to get to Little Rock to see another Doctor. TIA, ~Mimi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 In a message dated 5/22/2007 7:56:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Elchanan writes: 2. FIRST transition to a healthful diet, then address the medication ... NOT the other way around. 3. My guess is that this is not the only med you are taking, correct? Best, Elchanan _____ Elchanan, Correct on both counts. There is a lot more to it. I am severely overweight. I have diabetes and I take many, many medications other than the BP meds. The one I was worried about the most was the Zestoretic. ~Mimi ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Hi Mimi, Thanks for sharing this information. From my perspective, this is definitely not an email conversation, at least not at this point. I invite you to contact me on the side, happy to talk if you wish ... write privately at Elchanan BTW, in case anyone is wondering, when I invite someone to talk, I ask for nothing in exchange. Some people offer, for which I feel great gratitude. Best to all, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of NeimanBarkusAR Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:24 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Potassium In a message dated 5/22/2007 7:56:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Elchanan@PathOfHeal <Elchanan%40PathOfHealth.org> th.org writes: 2. FIRST transition to a healthful diet, then address the medication ... NOT the other way around. 3. My guess is that this is not the only med you are taking, correct? Best, Elchanan _____ Elchanan, Correct on both counts. There is a lot more to it. I am severely overweight. I have diabetes and I take many, many medications other than the BP meds. The one I was worried about the most was the Zestoretic. ~Mimi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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