Breakouts(was)My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance

[Guest guest]

Thanks I thought it was over but it just keeps reapearing. So I will change

the topic

anyone having problems with breakouts after the first week of the banana

detox my face looks like a dart board?

 

 

> " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece

>rawfood

>rawfood

>Re: [Raw Food] My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance

>Sun, 20 May 2007 17:27:58 -0700

>

>you werent wrong sarah. You had a viable concern and it was addressed.

>Pretty simple really except some want to make it into something its

>not.

>

>i wish we could move on. We have so many hungry people here.......

>

>anna 8=)

>

>On 5/20/07, sarah shaw <hppymummy wrote:

> > I posted a response to someones question about constipation from my

>personal

> > experience, I was not asking for info. And he replied that my son had

> > emotional problems that is why he got constipated when he ate bananas

>and

> > that I should only be breastfeeding him without giving him food. Why

>should

> > I follow what he is telling me to do when millions of doctors say

>otherwise,

> > he has no physical evidence to support what he is saying. well I

>strongly

> > disagree is that not what groups are about I didnt realize we had to

>agree

> > with him. This is the attitude he puts across in his posts and he will

>keep

> > sending these posts until you see it his way. This is my issue. One of

>the

> > first times I have posted a response to a question I get badgered on

>what I

> > should be doing with my child. If he had these so called emotional

>problems

> > why doesnt he get constipated when he eats other fruits or veggies.

> > hmmmmmmmmm! I am just trying to explain myself better so people can

> > understand.

> >

> >

> > > " Lisa & Mica Fine " <lisafine

> > >rawfood

> > ><rawfood >

> > >[Raw Food] My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance

> > >Sun, 20 May 2007 16:29:20 -0600

> > >

> > >Hello Everyone,

> > >

> > >I wanted to share my outlook on Elchanan. I've been a member of this

>group

> > >for quite a while, and have been a member of Path of Health since just

>a

> > >few days after its formation. Elchanan is a complex man.

> > >

> > >Honestly, I empathize with what many of you may be feeling : ) In the

> > >beginning, I too thought Elchanan seemed like a " know it all " . His

>posts

> > >made me angry, raised my blood pressure. I thought he was the biggest

> > >fraud and cult leader wanna be. It seemed he had an answer for

>everything,

> > >and seemed brash and haughty. But...also like many of you, his posts

>are

> > >compelling, and I was found myself not wanting to filter out his

>messages.

> > >

> > >For a long time, even *after* joining Path of Health, I read his posts

>with

> > >an eye toward picking them apart, as well as shaking my head at his

>heavy

> > >handedness. BUT.....I noticed that unlike many others who call

>themselves

> > >experts, Elchanan is *consistent* in his message. Not on diet alone,

>but

> > >on physiology as a whole, and even on diverse and unrelated topics.

> > >

> > >We are not " followers " of Elchanan. I doubt any one of us who cherish

>his

> > >insight agree fully with everything he has to say on every topic. But

>at

> > >least he has an opinion, at least he take the time to answer questions

> > >fully. He doesn't advocate one thing this week, and another the next.

>He

> > >doesn't have a website claiming hisself " World Authority " of anything.

>He

> > >doesn't have a commerce site full of the overpriced

> > >supplement/superfood/bullsh%* of the moment. All he does is offer his

> > >personal insight, and he offers it freely. If you do choose to be a

>long

> > >term member of Path of Health, the tiny member fee is less than the

>dues at

> > >WeightWatchers!!! And how many of us have paid for that or similar

>things

> > >with NO return of insight or genuine community?? If you get to know

>him,

> > >you will see that he is fully human, admits mistakes, has a wonderful

>sense

> > >of humor, is compassionate, quirky, and generous with his words, time,

>and

> > >resources. He is always ready to learn new things. He is not didactic

>or

> > >close minded.

> > >

> > >My point is not to convine any of you to adore Elchanan. I only ask

>that

> > >you do two things: first, read what he has to say for a while...he

>grows

> > >on you as you get to see his patient consistency, and second, examine

>your

> > >discomfort with his postings. Is your discomfort more about you than

>it is

> > >him? How does it hurt you for him to post often and opinionatedly? Do

>you

> > >have better answers to the questions he responds to? If so...post

>away,

> > >instead of bemoaning that he is trying to dominate the group.

> > >

> > >For a while, try to see his gift to you. He is offering what he has to

> > >give.

> > >

> > >Last...have any of you considered how unkind you have been to him?

>What if

> > >someone were saying these things about you? What if you belonged to a

> > >group that you felt passionately about...like, I don't know...rose

> > >gardening, animal rescue, etc. I bet that as opinionated as Elchanan

>may

> > >be, and even if he is incorrect about every subject he writes about, I

> > >maintain that you have hurt him. Isn't raw veganism somewhat about

>raising

> > >our lives on all levels? Isn't kindness and compassion a worthy ideal?

> > >

> > >How easily we disregard the feelings of others.

> > >

> > >To new members: keep your eyes open on this journey. Elchanan is a

>voice

> > >in the wilderness.

> > >

> > >To complaining members: Let's see your opinions about these topics

>instead

> > >of your opinion on Elchanan's post count.

> > >

> > >To Elchanan: Thank You.

> > >

> > >Thanks for listening!

> > >Lisa Fine

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > Judy

> > > rawfood

> > > Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:54 PM

> > > Re: [Raw Food] Out of balance

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Just wanted to say that I love reading Elchanan's posts. I find them

> > >very interesting, even in the times I don't agree with everything, and

>I

> > >can appreciate Elchanan taking the time to reply/share knowledge/etc.

> > >

> > > I also wanted to say that if there are people you'd rather not hear

>from

> > >on the list, just go to your mail filters and set it so their posts go

> > >directly into your trash. That way you're not bothered by them, and you

> > >don't have to read them or even see them. I've done that with people I

> > >thought were obnoxious (not on this list, but on others) and it solves

>the

> > >problem neatly, and the people who enjoy the person's posts can

>continue to

> > >enjoy them.

> > >

> > > Just my 2 cents.

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Judy

> > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is my opinion, but I feel this group is being

> > > > > > dominated by one poster

> > > > > > Elchanan who responds to nearly every post with

> > > > > > lengthy opinions stated as

> > > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your

>story.

> > > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

My opinion is not so much that it keep " reapearing " as much as that people feel

compelled to respond to posts they feel something about. This tends to be one

that hits a chord with me as I am sure it does with others that felt/feel the

need to respond to it. So it is out of curtesy that we allow the responses no?

They are not violating anything that I'm aware of are they?

 

 

 

 

I have started the bananas. So far nothing but frequent trips to the bathroom.

lol I guess that's a good thing? lol

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Jeannie

 

 

 

 

 

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

sarah shaw <hppymummy

rawfood

Sunday, May 20, 2007 7:42:23 PM

Re: [Raw Food] Breakouts(was)My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance

 

 

Thanks I thought it was over but it just keeps reapearing. So I will change

the topic

anyone having problems with breakouts after the first week of the banana

detox my face looks like a dart board?

 

 

> " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece

>rawfood

>rawfood

>Re: [Raw Food] My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance

>Sun, 20 May 2007 17:27:58 -0700

>

>you werent wrong sarah. You had a viable concern and it was addressed.

>Pretty simple really except some want to make it into something its

>not.

>

>i wish we could move on. We have so many hungry people here.......

>

>anna 8=)

>

>On 5/20/07, sarah shaw <hppymummy wrote:

> > I posted a response to someones question about constipation from my

>personal

> > experience, I was not asking for info. And he replied that my son had

> > emotional problems that is why he got constipated when he ate bananas

>and

> > that I should only be breastfeeding him without giving him food. Why

>should

> > I follow what he is telling me to do when millions of doctors say

>otherwise,

> > he has no physical evidence to support what he is saying. well I

>strongly

> > disagree is that not what groups are about I didnt realize we had to

>agree

> > with him. This is the attitude he puts across in his posts and he will

>keep

> > sending these posts until you see it his way. This is my issue. One of

>the

> > first times I have posted a response to a question I get badgered on

>what I

> > should be doing with my child. If he had these so called emotional

>problems

> > why doesnt he get constipated when he eats other fruits or veggies.

> > hmmmmmmmmm! I am just trying to explain myself better so people can

> > understand.

> >

> >

> > > " Lisa & Mica Fine " <lisafine

> > >rawfood

> > ><rawfood >

> > >[Raw Food] My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance

> > >Sun, 20 May 2007 16:29:20 -0600

> > >

> > >Hello Everyone,

> > >

> > >I wanted to share my outlook on Elchanan. I've been a member of this

>group

> > >for quite a while, and have been a member of Path of Health since just

>a

> > >few days after its formation. Elchanan is a complex man.

> > >

> > >Honestly, I empathize with what many of you may be feeling : ) In the

> > >beginning, I too thought Elchanan seemed like a " know it all " . His

>posts

> > >made me angry, raised my blood pressure. I thought he was the biggest

> > >fraud and cult leader wanna be. It seemed he had an answer for

>everything,

> > >and seemed brash and haughty. But...also like many of you, his posts

>are

> > >compelling, and I was found myself not wanting to filter out his

>messages.

> > >

> > >For a long time, even *after* joining Path of Health, I read his posts

>with

> > >an eye toward picking them apart, as well as shaking my head at his

>heavy

> > >handedness. BUT.....I noticed that unlike many others who call

>themselves

> > >experts, Elchanan is *consistent* in his message. Not on diet alone,

>but

> > >on physiology as a whole, and even on diverse and unrelated topics.

> > >

> > >We are not " followers " of Elchanan. I doubt any one of us who cherish

>his

> > >insight agree fully with everything he has to say on every topic. But

>at

> > >least he has an opinion, at least he take the time to answer questions

> > >fully. He doesn't advocate one thing this week, and another the next.

>He

> > >doesn't have a website claiming hisself " World Authority " of anything.

>He

> > >doesn't have a commerce site full of the overpriced

> > >supplement/superfood/bullsh%* of the moment. All he does is offer his

> > >personal insight, and he offers it freely. If you do choose to be a

>long

> > >term member of Path of Health, the tiny member fee is less than the

>dues at

> > >WeightWatchers!!! And how many of us have paid for that or similar

>things

> > >with NO return of insight or genuine community?? If you get to know

>him,

> > >you will see that he is fully human, admits mistakes, has a wonderful

>sense

> > >of humor, is compassionate, quirky, and generous with his words, time,

>and

> > >resources. He is always ready to learn new things. He is not didactic

>or

> > >close minded.

> > >

> > >My point is not to convine any of you to adore Elchanan. I only ask

>that

> > >you do two things: first, read what he has to say for a while...he

>grows

> > >on you as you get to see his patient consistency, and second, examine

>your

> > >discomfort with his postings. Is your discomfort more about you than

>it is

> > >him? How does it hurt you for him to post often and opinionatedly? Do

>you

> > >have better answers to the questions he responds to? If so...post

>away,

> > >instead of bemoaning that he is trying to dominate the group.

> > >

> > >For a while, try to see his gift to you. He is offering what he has to

> > >give.

> > >

> > >Last...have any of you considered how unkind you have been to him?

>What if

> > >someone were saying these things about you? What if you belonged to a

> > >group that you felt passionately about...like, I don't know...rose

> > >gardening, animal rescue, etc. I bet that as opinionated as Elchanan

>may

> > >be, and even if he is incorrect about every subject he writes about, I

> > >maintain that you have hurt him. Isn't raw veganism somewhat about

>raising

> > >our lives on all levels? Isn't kindness and compassion a worthy ideal?

> > >

> > >How easily we disregard the feelings of others.

> > >

> > >To new members: keep your eyes open on this journey. Elchanan is a

>voice

> > >in the wilderness.

> > >

> > >To complaining members: Let's see your opinions about these topics

>instead

> > >of your opinion on Elchanan's post count.

> > >

> > >To Elchanan: Thank You.

> > >

> > >Thanks for listening!

> > >Lisa Fine

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > Judy

> > > rawfood

> > > Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:54 PM

> > > Re: [Raw Food] Out of balance

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Just wanted to say that I love reading Elchanan's posts. I find them

> > >very interesting, even in the times I don't agree with everything, and

>I

> > >can appreciate Elchanan taking the time to reply/share knowledge/etc.

> > >

> > > I also wanted to say that if there are people you'd rather not hear

>from

> > >on the list, just go to your mail filters and set it so their posts go

> > >directly into your trash. That way you're not bothered by them, and you

> > >don't have to read them or even see them. I've done that with people I

> > >thought were obnoxious (not on this list, but on others) and it solves

>the

> > >problem neatly, and the people who enjoy the person's posts can

>continue to

> > >enjoy them.

> > >

> > > Just my 2 cents.

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Judy

> > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is my opinion, but I feel this group is being

> > > > > > dominated by one poster

> > > > > > Elchanan who responds to nearly every post with

> > > > > > lengthy opinions stated as

> > > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your

>story.

> > > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I for one have not really been blessed with the bathroom thing as much as

others but I do feel really good and I am loosing cravings for sad food.

 

 

>jeannieh h <jeannieh99

>rawfood

>rawfood

>Re: [Raw Food] Breakouts(was)My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of

>balance

>Sun, 20 May 2007 18:13:42 -0700 (PDT)

>

>My opinion is not so much that it keep " reapearing " as much as that people

>feel compelled to respond to posts they feel something about. This tends to

>be one that hits a chord with me as I am sure it does with others that

>felt/feel the need to respond to it. So it is out of curtesy that we allow

>the responses no? They are not violating anything that I'm aware of are

>they?

>

>

>

>

>I have started the bananas. So far nothing but frequent trips to the

>bathroom. lol I guess that's a good thing? lol

>

>

>Sincerely,

>

>

>Jeannie

>

>

>

>

>

>

>your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no

>one.

>

>

>

>

>sarah shaw <hppymummy

>rawfood

>Sunday, May 20, 2007 7:42:23 PM

>Re: [Raw Food] Breakouts(was)My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of

>balance

>

>

>Thanks I thought it was over but it just keeps reapearing. So I will change

>the topic

>anyone having problems with breakouts after the first week of the banana

>detox my face looks like a dart board?

>

>

> > " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece

> >rawfood

> >rawfood

> >Re: [Raw Food] My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance

> >Sun, 20 May 2007 17:27:58 -0700

> >

> >you werent wrong sarah. You had a viable concern and it was addressed.

> >Pretty simple really except some want to make it into something its

> >not.

> >

> >i wish we could move on. We have so many hungry people here.......

> >

> >anna 8=)

> >

> >On 5/20/07, sarah shaw <hppymummy wrote:

> > > I posted a response to someones question about constipation from my

> >personal

> > > experience, I was not asking for info. And he replied that my son had

> > > emotional problems that is why he got constipated when he ate bananas

> >and

> > > that I should only be breastfeeding him without giving him food. Why

> >should

> > > I follow what he is telling me to do when millions of doctors say

> >otherwise,

> > > he has no physical evidence to support what he is saying. well I

> >strongly

> > > disagree is that not what groups are about I didnt realize we had to

> >agree

> > > with him. This is the attitude he puts across in his posts and he

>will

> >keep

> > > sending these posts until you see it his way. This is my issue. One

>of

> >the

> > > first times I have posted a response to a question I get badgered on

> >what I

> > > should be doing with my child. If he had these so called emotional

> >problems

> > > why doesnt he get constipated when he eats other fruits or veggies.

> > > hmmmmmmmmm! I am just trying to explain myself better so people can

> > > understand.

> > >

> > >

> > > > " Lisa & Mica Fine " <lisafine

> > > >rawfood

> > > ><rawfood >

> > > >[Raw Food] My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of balance

> > > >Sun, 20 May 2007 16:29:20 -0600

> > > >

> > > >Hello Everyone,

> > > >

> > > >I wanted to share my outlook on Elchanan. I've been a member of this

> >group

> > > >for quite a while, and have been a member of Path of Health since

>just

> >a

> > > >few days after its formation. Elchanan is a complex man.

> > > >

> > > >Honestly, I empathize with what many of you may be feeling : ) In

>the

> > > >beginning, I too thought Elchanan seemed like a " know it all " . His

> >posts

> > > >made me angry, raised my blood pressure. I thought he was the

>biggest

> > > >fraud and cult leader wanna be. It seemed he had an answer for

> >everything,

> > > >and seemed brash and haughty. But...also like many of you, his

>posts

> >are

> > > >compelling, and I was found myself not wanting to filter out his

> >messages.

> > > >

> > > >For a long time, even *after* joining Path of Health, I read his

>posts

> >with

> > > >an eye toward picking them apart, as well as shaking my head at his

> >heavy

> > > >handedness. BUT.....I noticed that unlike many others who call

> >themselves

> > > >experts, Elchanan is *consistent* in his message. Not on diet alone,

> >but

> > > >on physiology as a whole, and even on diverse and unrelated topics.

> > > >

> > > >We are not " followers " of Elchanan. I doubt any one of us who

>cherish

> >his

> > > >insight agree fully with everything he has to say on every topic.

>But

> >at

> > > >least he has an opinion, at least he take the time to answer

>questions

> > > >fully. He doesn't advocate one thing this week, and another the

>next.

> >He

> > > >doesn't have a website claiming hisself " World Authority " of

>anything.

> >He

> > > >doesn't have a commerce site full of the overpriced

> > > >supplement/superfood/bullsh%* of the moment. All he does is offer his

> > > >personal insight, and he offers it freely. If you do choose to be a

> >long

> > > >term member of Path of Health, the tiny member fee is less than the

> >dues at

> > > >WeightWatchers!!! And how many of us have paid for that or similar

> >things

> > > >with NO return of insight or genuine community?? If you get to know

> >him,

> > > >you will see that he is fully human, admits mistakes, has a wonderful

> >sense

> > > >of humor, is compassionate, quirky, and generous with his words,

>time,

> >and

> > > >resources. He is always ready to learn new things. He is not

>didactic

> >or

> > > >close minded.

> > > >

> > > >My point is not to convine any of you to adore Elchanan. I only ask

> >that

> > > >you do two things: first, read what he has to say for a while...he

> >grows

> > > >on you as you get to see his patient consistency, and second, examine

> >your

> > > >discomfort with his postings. Is your discomfort more about you than

> >it is

> > > >him? How does it hurt you for him to post often and opinionatedly?

>Do

> >you

> > > >have better answers to the questions he responds to? If so...post

> >away,

> > > >instead of bemoaning that he is trying to dominate the group.

> > > >

> > > >For a while, try to see his gift to you. He is offering what he has

>to

> > > >give.

> > > >

> > > >Last...have any of you considered how unkind you have been to him?

> >What if

> > > >someone were saying these things about you? What if you belonged to

>a

> > > >group that you felt passionately about...like, I don't know...rose

> > > >gardening, animal rescue, etc. I bet that as opinionated as Elchanan

> >may

> > > >be, and even if he is incorrect about every subject he writes about,

>I

> > > >maintain that you have hurt him. Isn't raw veganism somewhat about

> >raising

> > > >our lives on all levels? Isn't kindness and compassion a worthy

>ideal?

> > > >

> > > >How easily we disregard the feelings of others.

> > > >

> > > >To new members: keep your eyes open on this journey. Elchanan is a

> >voice

> > > >in the wilderness.

> > > >

> > > >To complaining members: Let's see your opinions about these topics

> >instead

> > > >of your opinion on Elchanan's post count.

> > > >

> > > >To Elchanan: Thank You.

> > > >

> > > >Thanks for listening!

> > > >Lisa Fine

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Judy

> > > > rawfood

> > > > Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:54 PM

> > > > Re: [Raw Food] Out of balance

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Just wanted to say that I love reading Elchanan's posts. I find

>them

> > > >very interesting, even in the times I don't agree with everything,

>and

> >I

> > > >can appreciate Elchanan taking the time to reply/share knowledge/etc.

> > > >

> > > > I also wanted to say that if there are people you'd rather not

>hear

> >from

> > > >on the list, just go to your mail filters and set it so their posts

>go

> > > >directly into your trash. That way you're not bothered by them, and

>you

> > > >don't have to read them or even see them. I've done that with people

>I

> > > >thought were obnoxious (not on this list, but on others) and it

>solves

> >the

> > > >problem neatly, and the people who enjoy the person's posts can

> >continue to

> > > >enjoy them.

> > > >

> > > > Just my 2 cents.

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Judy

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is my opinion, but I feel this group is being

> > > > > > > dominated by one poster

> > > > > > > Elchanan who responds to nearly every post with

> > > > > > > lengthy opinions stated as

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your

> >story.

> > > > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

nope...never break out when eating raw..just the opposite...

 

anna

 

 

On 5/20/07, sarah shaw <hppymummy wrote:

>

> Thanks I thought it was over but it just keeps reapearing. So I will

> change

> the topic

> anyone having problems with breakouts after the first week of the banana

> detox my face looks like a dart board?

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

hmmmmmmmmmmm. I had perfect skin until last week

 

 

> " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece

>rawfood

>rawfood

>Re: [Raw Food] Breakouts(was)My Take on Elchanan (WAS) Out of

>balance

>Sun, 20 May 2007 20:20:46 -0700

>

>nope...never break out when eating raw..just the opposite...

>

>anna

>

>

>On 5/20/07, sarah shaw <hppymummy wrote:

> >

> > Thanks I thought it was over but it just keeps reapearing. So I will

> > change

> > the topic

> > anyone having problems with breakouts after the first week of the banana

> > detox my face looks like a dart board?

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[Guest guest]

ok..so for you....youre detoxing...it cant last forever though, so dont

panic...

 

anna

 

 

On 5/20/07, sarah shaw <hppymummy wrote:

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> hmmmmmmmmmmm. I had perfect skin until last week

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[Guest guest]

Yes, I have had skin breakouts a few days after eating all raw (I go

back and forth).

 

Laurie

 

rawfood , " sarah shaw " <hppymummy wrote:

> anyone having problems with breakouts after the first week of the

banana

> detox my face looks like a dart board?

>