Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 I am amazed that someone would suggest that we stop listening to " people " and rely on ONE teacher...that teacher who says he would be grateful if you offered to pay him. I have many teachers including myself and the people on this list and do not choose to follow ONE person who believes he has the TRUTH. Who is this person and what are his credentials that we should listen to him as THE TEACHER? Sherrard ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 I agree with this 100% we learn from each others experiences, what each other reads. This is a helpful community of people who share with each other not one sole person telling everyone this is what to do and how to do it! >guinevieve >rawfood >rawfood >[Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? >Fri, 25 May 2007 07:32:35 EDT > >I am amazed that someone would suggest that we stop listening to > " people " and >rely on ONE teacher...that teacher who says he would be grateful if you >offered to pay him. > > I have many teachers including myself and the people on this list and do >not choose to follow ONE person who believes he has the TRUTH. Who is this >person and what are his credentials that we should listen to him as THE >TEACHER? > >Sherrard > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 I do not believe he said he has to be the teacher. He has a valid point because there are so many people with so many different opinions and ways of doing things you need to find one person's teachings to follow rather it be the 811 like some do or some other way. Otherwise you are doing a little of this a little of that and have conflicting information. so you find something that you feel comfortable with. Plus since when is earning money or getting paid for a service something awful? We all have to make a living. If someone writes a book should they not sell it but give it away? Should actors, doctors or anyone else not get paid? I am not sure what your issue it with that? It seems to me you have a problem with this person since this is not the first time you are on the attack. It goes back to what many have already said, if you don't like someone, don't read their posts, or if yo disagree delete it but the nastiness is something we can all do without. guinevieve wrote: I am amazed that someone would suggest that we stop listening to " people " and rely on ONE teacher...that teacher who says he would be grateful if you offered to pay him. I have many teachers including myself and the people on this list and do not choose to follow ONE person who believes he has the TRUTH. Who is this person and what are his credentials that we should listen to him as THE TEACHER? Sherrard ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 I think what was said is being misunderstood. This is a good place for eveyone to share, no one has said otherwise. But I think in the end you have to find one way, that works for you, and follow that. For instance some people like the 811 way others prefer other 'teachings'. In the end you need to pick one way that works for you otherwise you are going to be going in many different directions with conflicting information and accomplsihing nothing. That is what I took from what was posted. sarah shaw <hppymummy wrote: I agree with this 100% we learn from each others experiences, what each other reads. This is a helpful community of people who share with each other not one sole person telling everyone this is what to do and how to do it! >guinevieve >rawfood >rawfood >[Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? >Fri, 25 May 2007 07:32:35 EDT > >I am amazed that someone would suggest that we stop listening to > " people " and >rely on ONE teacher...that teacher who says he would be grateful if you >offered to pay him. > > I have many teachers including myself and the people on this list and do >not choose to follow ONE person who believes he has the TRUTH. Who is this >person and what are his credentials that we should listen to him as THE >TEACHER? > >Sherrard > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 That's very well explained Terry. That's exactly how I understood the post. It seems that it was taken out of context. We do need to learn from the experience of others, but we have to find the one way that works fo us, and follow it. Nicely put!!! ~Sarah --- Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > I think what was said is being misunderstood. This > is a good place for eveyone to share, no one has > said otherwise. But I think in the end you have to > find one way, that works for you, and follow that. > For instance some people like the 811 way others > prefer other 'teachings'. In the end you need to > pick one way that works for you otherwise you are > going to be going in many different directions with > conflicting information and accomplsihing nothing. > That is what I took from what was posted. ______________________________\ ____ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. http://autos./green_center/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 I agree with you also Sherrard. However, I kind of agree on one point. I will try to explain. I am so new at this. I'm trying to take it " all " in and process all the information so that I can make " MY OWN " conclusions. Here is the problem I am facing. Perhaps problem is not the right word BUT........ One person says For example: That is good for you, Other person says: That is not good for you, Another person says: That is good for you IF you, blah,blah,blah.... The next person says: That is NOT good for you UNLESS you, blah,blah, blah.. Let's face it, If you get 5 doctors in a room you will find perhaps 5 different answers, perceptions, etc.... 5 different lawyers will have 5 different approaches to things, etc.... I could go on. LOL I look at this group as a group of people, virtual friends, tossing out ideas, some of us seem to more. I do not look at it like a " cult " where there is a " leader " a " guru " (if you will). This is perhaps I am not offended when someone says or suggests something I might find wacky. Someone else out there might just be looking for that answer, while it might not be my answer. I am speaking in All generalities because it seems to happen with just about any subject there is. Now............ I still find I am enjoying and taking it all in. It just gives me more to sift through. It compells me to open my mind wider and to do even more research for myself and at the end of the day doing what I feel will work for me, based on all on it. I look at it like cooking. I used to be an avid cook. I love to cook. So for me it's like searching for the perfect recipie. I take a little from here and a little from here and a lot from over there. I taste and if it is good I'm happy, If it is not I make it again another daywith a different combination. Tasting as I go. Life is a " work in progress " a journey. There is no perfection in any of us or anything. These are all analogies just to " try " to make my point. I don't get upset, or offended, or put off because I read a recipie I don't agree with or I didn't like the ingredients. I just throw it all to the fact that that won't work in MY dish. LOL I don't know if this makes any sense to anyone, It does to me....lol Regards, Jeannie your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. sarah shaw <hppymummy rawfood Friday, May 25, 2007 6:45:42 AM RE: [Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? I agree with this 100% we learn from each others experiences, what each other reads. This is a helpful community of people who share with each other not one sole person telling everyone this is what to do and how to do it! >guinevieve >rawfood >rawfood >[Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? >Fri, 25 May 2007 07:32:35 EDT > >I am amazed that someone would suggest that we stop listening to > " people " and >rely on ONE teacher...that teacher who says he would be grateful if you >offered to pay him. > > I have many teachers including myself and the people on this list and do >not choose to follow ONE person who believes he has the TRUTH. Who is this >person and what are his credentials that we should listen to him as THE >TEACHER? > >Sherrard > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 whoooa...easy there... being a religion/theology major i gotta pipe in here...the one teacher concept is well known in spiritual training...most obvious in buddhism..altho the west considers teachers expendable and easily replacable the higher cultures do not. We take in info from " many teachers " because we dont have any that are so well-rounded and complete that they could be our only source for anything. it is not bad advice to find a good solid source of information on something and stick with them. You just have to know they are well trained. history is replete with these types...today you would know them as gurus. But historically they are known by names such as Buddha, Hillel, Jesus, Mohammed, the Dalai Lama. the west sends us thru a mill known as school where we rotate thru teachers like stepping stones. Thats fine for elementary training. But higher learning is best with ONE really good teacher.you may not think of a diet as a spiritual experience, but raw eating DOES have a spiritual component. On 5/25/07, guinevieve <guinevieve wrote: > I am amazed that someone would suggest that we stop listening to > " people " and > rely on ONE teacher...that teacher who says he would be grateful if you > offered to pay him. > > I have many teachers including myself and the people on this list and do > not choose to follow ONE person who believes he has the TRUTH. Who is this > person and what are his credentials that we should listen to him as THE > TEACHER? > > Sherrard > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Hi I think if someone had said my posts were 'nastiness', I'd be crying...but I think Sherrard's probably made of tougher stuff! I feel Sherrard (only know we know her (his?) name - original post Guinevieve) has raised some valid issues with her posts. BTW, these issues are not anything to do with 'whether you agree with someone or not'; that's a bit of a red herring that a lot have seized on. There were other more serious issues raised. Although we did understand that these were to be addressed, they have not been to date, and I can understand her frustration. In the interests of fairness, Love Debbie Took, Reading, UK rawfood , Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: It seems to me you have a problem with this person since this is not the first time you are on the attack. It goes back to what many have already said, if you don't like someone, don't read their posts, or if yo disagree delete it but the nastiness is something we can all do without. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 jeannie.. your thoughts make perfect western sense 8-) this is a classic example of the saying " jack of all trades master of none " . yes we want as much info as possible so we readand learn from many here. But there are people that have perfected this. Finding them would eliminate the need to have many confusing sources. it is not an accident that we in the west admire eastern philosophy and that those teachers are known as masters. A master needs no assistants nor partners. They are by definition at the peak of a subject.whether its a diet or religion. the trick is finding one. keep in mind that democratic societies dont like this ONE leader thing...they tend to cause revolutions. So the system itself throws out lots of conflicting info so that you DONT trust and DONT stick with just one person. But this doesnt mean you would not be happy if you found one. peace anna On 5/25/07, jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote: > I agree with you also Sherrard. > > However, I kind of agree on one point. I will try to explain. > > I am so new at this. I'm trying to take it " all " in and process all the > information so that I can make " MY OWN " conclusions. > > Here is the problem I am facing. Perhaps problem is not the right word > BUT........ > > One person says For example: That is good for you, > Other person says: That is not good for you, > Another person says: That is good for you IF you, > blah,blah,blah.... > The next person says: That is NOT good for you UNLESS you, > blah,blah, blah.. > > Let's face it, If you get 5 doctors in a room you will find perhaps 5 > different answers, perceptions, etc.... > 5 different lawyers will have 5 different approaches to things, etc.... > > I could go on. LOL I look at this group as a group of people, virtual > friends, tossing out ideas, some of us seem to more. > I do not look at it like a " cult " where there is a " leader " a " guru " (if you > will). > > This is perhaps I am not offended when someone says or suggests something I > might find wacky. Someone else out there might just be looking for that > answer, while it might not be my answer. > > > I am speaking in All generalities because it seems to happen with just about > any subject there is. > > Now............ I still find I am enjoying and taking it all in. > > It just gives me more to sift through. It compells me to open my mind wider > and to do even more research for myself and > at the end of the day doing what I feel will work for me, based on all on > it. I look at it like cooking. I used to be an avid cook. I love to cook. > So for me it's like searching for the perfect recipie. I take a little from > here and a little from here and a lot from over there. I taste and if it is > good I'm happy, If it is not I make it again another daywith a different > combination. Tasting as I go. Life is a " work in progress " a journey. There > is no perfection in any of us or anything. > > These are all analogies just to " try " to make my point. I don't get upset, > or offended, or put off because I read a recipie I don't agree with or I > didn't like the ingredients. I just throw it all to the fact that that won't > work in MY dish. LOL > > I don't know if this makes any sense to anyone, It does to me....lol > > > Regards, > > Jeannie > > > > your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. > > > > > sarah shaw <hppymummy > rawfood > Friday, May 25, 2007 6:45:42 AM > RE: [Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? > > > I agree with this 100% we learn from each others experiences, what each > other reads. This is a helpful community of people who share with each > other not one sole person telling everyone this is what to do and how to do > it! > > > >guinevieve > >rawfood > >rawfood > >[Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? > >Fri, 25 May 2007 07:32:35 EDT > > > >I am amazed that someone would suggest that we stop listening to > > " people " and > >rely on ONE teacher...that teacher who says he would be grateful if you > >offered to pay him. > > > > I have many teachers including myself and the people on this list and do > >not choose to follow ONE person who believes he has the TRUTH. Who is this > >person and what are his credentials that we should listen to him as THE > >TEACHER? > > > >Sherrard > > > > > > > >************************************** See what's free at > >http://www.aol.com. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Consider the circumstance of any professional athlete. A professional athlete has ONE trainer. The athlete may choose a different trainer at some future time, but at any point in time, ONE. Why? Because you cannot do 2 different programs concurrently and achieve successful results. I have not written anything about " TRUTH " , I have not suggested that I should be that teacher. I have only suggested choosing one. Debbie Took has offered at least one thoughtful alternative. I encourage you to look within at the anger underlying this response, Sherrard. What inside you is so triggered by such seemingly simple and straightforward advice? Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of guinevieve Friday, May 25, 2007 4:33 AM rawfood [Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? I am amazed that someone would suggest that we stop listening to " people " and rely on ONE teacher...that teacher who says he would be grateful if you offered to pay him. I have many teachers including myself and the people on this list and do not choose to follow ONE person who believes he has the TRUTH. Who is this person and what are his credentials that we should listen to him as THE TEACHER? Sherrard <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId =29529/stime=1180093123/nc1=4299909/nc2=4025306/nc3=4609192> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 yes...i am sensing hostility too.. a prejudging against the advice because its from elchanan...thats not fair... elchanan never said to follow him. but following one good teacher is good advice. It should not cause hostility.. something else is the irritant i think... peace anna On 5/25/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: > Consider the circumstance of any professional athlete. A professional > athlete has ONE trainer. The athlete may choose a different trainer at some > future time, but at any point in time, ONE. > > Why? > > Because you cannot do 2 different programs concurrently and achieve > successful results. > > I have not written anything about " TRUTH " , I have not suggested that I > should be that teacher. I have only suggested choosing one. Debbie Took has > offered at least one thoughtful alternative. > > I encourage you to look within at the anger underlying this response, > Sherrard. What inside you is so triggered by such seemingly simple and > straightforward advice? > > Elchanan > _____ > > rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of > guinevieve > Friday, May 25, 2007 4:33 AM > rawfood > [Raw Food] ONE TEACHER??? > > > I am amazed that someone would suggest that we stop listening to " people " and > > rely on ONE teacher...that teacher who says he would be grateful if you > offered to pay him. > > I have many teachers including myself and the people on this list and do > not choose to follow ONE person who believes he has the TRUTH. Who is this > person and what are his credentials that we should listen to him as THE > TEACHER? > > Sherrard > <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId > =29529/stime=1180093123/nc1=4299909/nc2=4025306/nc3=4609192> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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